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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 27 Maioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos shmera kai tis epomenes hmeres:

Shmera, stis 12 to meshmeri, eixe synanthsh me to proedreio toy Syndesmoy Ellhnikwn Biomhxaniwn. Antikeimeno syzhthshs htan h ejetash ths poreias ths oikonomias kai eidikotera ta qemata poy syndeontai me thn ethsia syneleysh toy SEB, poy qa pragmatopoihqei ayrio. Logw ths symmetoxhs toy sth Synodo toy NATO poy ginetai sth Rwmh, o Prwqypoyrgos den qa einai parwn, par` oti to epiqymoyse, alla qa aposteilei mhnyma se binteo.

Gia th Rwmh qa anaxwrhsei shmera stis 14.30. Opws gnwrizete, ayrio synerxetai h Genikh Syneleysh toy NATO, gia th dhmioyrgia toy Symboylioy Syndeshs NATO- Rwsias, mesa apo th diakhryjh ths Rwmhs, opoy qa ypografei kai to sxetiko praktiko. Einai mia idiaitera shmantikh Synodos. Shmatodotei, qa elega, oysiastika kai ametaklhta to telos toy cyxroy polemoy kai thn anametrhsh metajy toy Dytikoy Kosmoy kai ths Rwsias. Qa problepontai synexeis synanthseis, diaboyleyseis, koines apofaseis, koines draseis metajy twn dyo pleyrwn (NATO kai Rwsias), se meizona dieqnh zhthmata. To ayriano programma ths Synodoy perilambanei omilies olwn twn hgetwn twn xwrwn-melwn toy NATO kai ths Rwsias, sto diasthma metajy 10.30 kai 12.30 (topikh wra). Qa yparjei, bebaiws, kai omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Meta to peras ths Synodoy kai thn ypografh toy sxetikoy praktikoy qa doqei synenteyjh. Bebaiws qa pragmatopoihqei kai synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros toys Ellhnes dhmosiografoys, symfwna me ton programmatismo poy qa kanei o k. Xythrhs, o opoios synodeyei ton Prwqypoyrgo.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10.30 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, prokeimenoy na ton enhmerwsei gia tis ejelijeis sta eqnika qemata. Stis 14.30, qa pareyreqei kai qa chfisei sth diadikasia ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK gia thn eklogh toy neoy proedreioy ths K.O. To apogeyma ths Tetarths einai programmatismenh h pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh metajy twn politikwn arxhgwn gia thn poreia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai tis ejelijeis ths.

Thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me antikeimeno syzhthshs thn poreia toy G@ KPS, kaqws kai ta problhmata poy anakyptoyn kata toys qerinoys mhnes kai toys tropoys gia thn antimetwpishs toys.

Thn Paraskeyh, o Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei se erwthseis poy endexomenws na katateqoyn sth Boylh. Epishs, kapoia stigmh -den exei kaqoristei h akribhs wra ths synanthshs- thn Pempth h thn Paraskeyh qa yparjei synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys ypoyrgoys Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy kai Eqnikhs Amynas Gianno Papantwnioy, kata thn opoia qa syzhthqoyn qemata ths armodiothtas toys, kaqws kai zhthmata poy aforoyn thn poreia twn eqnikwn qematwn mas.

To Sabbato, to apogeyma, qa anaxwrhsei gia thn Kina. H epistrofh qa ginei thn Paraskeyh (7/6), gyrw sta mesanyxta.

Thn Trith 11/6 anamenetai na afixqei sthn Aqhna o proedreywn toy Symboylioy Koryfhs ths E.E. Xose Maria Aqnar. Kata thn paramonh toy sth xwra mas qa syzhthsei me ton Prwqypoyrgo qemata poy syndeontai me th Synodo ths Sebillhs.

Qelw, epishs, na sas enhmerwsw oti shmera o Prwqypoyrgos esteile apanthsh se epistolh toy armodioy gia thn Perifereiakh Anaptyjh Epitropoy ths E.E. k. Mparnie. Qa thn exete sth diaqesh sas, meta to peras ths synanthshs mas.

Sxetika me thn epistolh toy k. Mparnie, qa hqela na tonisw orismena shmeia:

H aneparkeia twn meletwn yphrje apo ta sobarotera problhmata kata thn ekkinhsh toy B@ KPS to 1994. Einai gnwsto oti den eixe yparjei merimna prin to B@ KPS, gia thn ekponhsh twn anagkaiwn meletwn, wste na mporoyn ta erga toy B@ KPS na ylopoihqoyn amesa. Gia paradeigma, gia thn Egnatia Odo den yphrxe kamia meleth mexri to 1994, sxedon.

H anyparjia twn meletwn epefere shmantikes kaqysterhseis gia thn enarjh ths kataskeyhs twn megalwn, alla kai mesaiwn ergwn, me apotelesma h kybernhsh na labei epeigonta metra gia na prolabei tis proqesmies toy B@ KPS. Taytoxrona, katartise kai ylopoihse eidiko sxedio drashs gia ton eksygxronismo toy systhmatos paragwghs twn dhmosiwn ergwn, basikos stoxos toy opoioy yphrje h rizikh meiwsh twn apoklisewn kostoys kai poiothtas twn ergwn se sxesh me ton arxiko sxediasmo toys. Oi prwtoboylies aytes synebalan kaqoristika ston eksygxronismo toy systhmatos paragwghs twn dhmosiwn ergwn.

Einai xarakthristiko oti me tis kinhseis mas katapolemhqhke apotelesmatika to genikeymeno fainomeno twn yperbolikwn ekptwsewn kata th diadikasia anaqeshs twn ergwn, perioristhke drastika h diadikasia apoklishs kostoys metajy arxikoy sxediasmoy kai ekteleshs kai beltiwqhke, shmantika kai qeamatika, h poiothta twn paragomenwn ergwn, opws apodeiknyetai kai apo tis ekqeseis toy ESPEL.

Einai, ejalloy, endeiktiko aytoy toy poiotikoy almatos poy pragmatopoihqhke to gegonos oti, sto plaisio toy B@ KPS, se antiqesh pros to A@ KPS, oloklhrwqhkan kai paradoqhkan gia xrhsh, gia prwth fora, megala erga ychlhs kataskeyastikhs poiothtas.

Oson afora thn epistolh toy k. Mparnie, ayth qetei gnwsta qemata poy aforoyn symbaseis poy prohghqhkan twn metrwn poy elabe h kybernhsh. Oi symplhrwmatikes symbaseis, twra, ginontai meta apo aproblepta gegonota kai monon kat` ejairesh, opws akribws problepetai. Einai gnwsto pws synolika sto B@ KPS yphrje qeamatikh meiwsh ths apoklishs metajy toy egkekrimenoy proypologismoy twn ergwn apo thn Epitroph Parakoloyqhshs kai toy telikoy kostoys. Briskomaste, opws gnwrizete, se diarkh synergasia me thn Epitroph gia thn antimetwpish aytwn twn problhmatwn.

Eidika gia to qema twn Sidhrodromwn to armodio ypoyrgeio brisketai se stenh epafh me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph.

Ayta einai merika shmeia poy qeloyme na qijoyme, sxetika me thn epistolh toy k. Mparnie. Ektos apo thn epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa yparjoyn kai apanthseis apo toys ypoyrgoys Eqnikhs Oikonomias Niko Xristodoylakh kai Metaforwn Xrhsto Berelh.

Telos, qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw gia th synanthsh poy eixa prin apo ligo me ton Proedro toy ESR k. Lampridh. Sth syzhthsh poy eixame parakalesa ton k. Lampridh na parameinei sth qesh toy, toylaxiston gia dyo akomh ebdomades, prokeimenoy na doqei h anagkaia pistwsh xronoy, wste na oloklhrwsei h Boylh th diadikasia ths sygkrothshs toy neoy ESR, to opoio ws gnwston qa einai plhrws Anejarthth Arxh kai diorizetai apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn. Qewrw oti o k. Lampridhs mporei me thn empeiria toy, thn ikanothta toy kai me dedomenh th stash eyqynhs poy panta exei epideijei na symbalei kai se ayth thn anagkaiothta poy yparxei gi ` ayth th metabatikh xronikh periodo. O k. Lampridhs epifylaxqhke na apanthsei. Qelw na pisteyw oti, me th stash eyqynhs poy panta ton diakrinei, qa dexqei qetika ayth thn paraklhsh.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis.

TSIBOLA: Prosfata o Prwqypoyrgos apo th Boylh eixe paradextei oti sto prwtomagiatiko syllalhthrio toy PAME yphrxan astynomikoi me politika se diatetagmenh yphresia. Me dedomenh ayth thn paradoxh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh thn politikh, opws xarakthrizetai, diwjh twn diadhlwtwn poy entopisan, afoplisan kai paredwsan astynomiko me politika kai ton oplismo toy ston epikefalhs astynomiko poy parakoloyqoyse thn poreia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas parapemcw sthn apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Htan safhs h apanthsh toy, kata th diarkeia ths syzhthshs poy eixe me thn k. Paparhga sth Boylh. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti tyxon paroysia astynomikwn exei ws monadiko rolo na prostateysei toys diadhlwtes. Apo ekei kai pera, gnwrizete oti sta qemata twn poinikwn ypoqesewn den exei logo h kybernhsh. Yparxei h Ellhnikh Dikaiosynh.

TSIBOLA: Qa hqela, epishs, ena sxolio sas gia to gegonos oti kaleitai ws martyras kai apeileitai malista me biaih prosagwgh stelexos ths K.E. toy KKE.

PRWTOPAPAS: Efoson kaleitai ws martyras qa prepei na kataqesei. Nomizw oti h kataqesh toy qa symbalei na mhn yparjoyn problhmata. Den jerw ti qa kanei. Ayta einai qemata poy aforoyn ton kaqe polith. Otan, omws, exeis th dynatothta na kataqeseis orismena pragmata kai na bohqhseis sto ergo ths dikaiosynhs, bohqas kai tis apoceis soy. Ayta ta lew ws geniko kanona.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, allh mia dhmoskophsh shmera exei polla kai endiaferonta stoixeia, alla wstoso se ayto poy endiaferei perissotero thn "proqesh chfoy" kai thn "parastash nikhs" fainetai oti to PASOK, oxi mono einai deytero, alla kai oti pagiwnetai ena klima yper ths N.D. ths tajhs peripoy twn ennea monadwn. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw, kat` epanalhch, anaferei oti kaqe dhmoskophsh exei thn ajia ths. H ajia ths bebaiws egkeitai sto oti apotelei fwtografia mias sygkekrimenhs xronikhs periodoy twn politikwn gegonotwn, ths politikhs aisqhshs poy yparxei ston kosmo. Oi dhmoskophseis diamorfwnontai apo thn poreia twn politikwn pragmatwn, tis politikes ejelijeis kai bebaiws apo th doyleia poy kanei h kybernhsh. Gnwrizete oti briskomaste sth mesh ths tetraetias kai gnwrizete oti olo to ergo mas den exei akomh fanei kai apodwsei. Yparxoyn problhmata. O ellhnikos laos perimenei apo emas, alla bebaiws askei kai thn kritikh toy. Yparxei problhmatismos, yparxoyn kai agwnies. Opws, omws, fainetai kai apo ayth th dhmoskophsh, o ellhnikos laos monon apo emas prosdoka. Einai xarakthristiko to ti apanta sto erwthma oson afora ta stelexh kai ennow toys nyn ypoyrgoys se antiparaqesh me piqanologoymenoys mellontikoys ypoyrgoys poy qa apartizan thn kybernhsh ths N.D.. Exete diabasei polla tetoia dhmosieymata. Orismenoi exoyn mpei se enan agwna dromoy, poly prin erqei h wra toys. Qa prosejate oti akomh kai stis sygkriseis aytwn twn stelexwn, yparxei mia katalytikh eikona yper twn stelexwn kai ypoyrgwn ths shmerinhs kybernhshs. Ti shmainei ayto; Oti aytoys empisteyetai o ellhnikos laos. Oti apo emas perimenei o ellhnikos laos, na oloklhrwsoyme to ergo mas. Den einai tyxaio oti ta proswpa ayta poy emfanizei, ws hgesia h N.D., einai poly gnwsta. Den einai kainoyrgia proswpa. Exoyn kriqei kata th diarkeia palaioterwn kybernhsewn ths N.D. kai exoyn apotyxei tragika. Gi` ayto kai katadikasthkan apo thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy, katadikasthke to komma toys. Exoyme, loipon, mia eikona poy dhmioyrgei problhmatismo, ton opoi ajiopoioyme kai proxwroyme to ergo mas. Apantoyme me to ergo mas, wste na allajoyme thn eikona. Alla exoyme kai kapoia stoixeia poy enisxyoyn to symperasma, oti o ellhnikos laos qewrei panta ws katallhlotero Prwqypoyrgo ton Kwsta Shmith, oti exei empistosynh sto PASOK kai ta stelexh toy sthn ajiopoihsh kai ektelesh toy programmatos mas kai bebaiws perimenei na feroyme se peras ekeino gia to opoio desmeythkame ston ellhniko lao: thn oloklhrwsh toy ergoy mas. Ayto qa exei ws apotelesma na allajoyn kai ta apotelesmata twn metrhsewn twn sxetikwn dhmoskophsewn. Me thn allagh toy politikoy klimatos qa metablhqoyn ta apotelesmata twn dhmoskophsewn, opws exei ginei polles fores sto parelqon.

MPOTWNHS: Afoy exete toso kala stelexh, afoy h kybernhsh einai kalh kai paragei ergo, opws lete, giati o kosmos omws dinei sth N.D. aytes tis ennea monades mprosta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas anefera prin oti yparxei hdh enas problhmatismos toy ellhnikoy laoy poy ekdhlwnetai, opws kai mia kritikh oson afora kapoies ptyxes toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Briskomaste sth mesh ths qhteias mas kai antimetwpizoyme mia seira problhmata, poy den einai monon problhmata ths xwras mas, alla dieqnh. Epixeiroyme na dwsoyme lyseis, prowqwntas to ergo mas. Oi lyseis aytes einai se ejelijh, den exoyn oloklhrwqei kai gi` ayto den exoyn apodwsei karpoys. Gnwrizete kala oti o agwnas poy dinei h kybernhsh einai kai diarkhs kai se polla metwpa. Omws, me th doyleia mas, me to xtyphma ths eswstrefeias, me th synergia olwn twn stelexwn mas - se ayto apanta h sxetikh dhmoskophsh- me epikefalhs ton Kwsta Shmith, otan oloklhrwsoyme to ergo mas, qa allajoyn ta dedomena kai epomenws kai ta apotelesmata apo tis dhmoskophseis poy dienergoyntai, opote qa yparjei kai diaforetiko apotelesma stis ekloges. Dhladh, qa kerdisoyme tis ekloges. Ayto symperainoyme.

KARGOYDH: Exoyn kaqoristei kapoies dimereis synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, sto periqwrio ths Synodoy sth Rwmh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi den exoyn kaqoristei synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me alloys hgetes. Bebaiws, den apokleietai sto plaisio ths Synodoy na yparjei antallagh apocewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy me alloys hgetes, ean ayto kriqei skopimo. Omws qelw na eimai safhs oti den exei prokaqoristei kamia synanthsh.

IWANNOY: Boyleytes ths N.D. yposthrizoyn me dhlwseis toys shmera oti h sygkrish twn ypoyrgwn me ta antistoixa stelexh ths N.D. den einai "swsth", dedomenoy oti oi syntonistes toy kommatos den epetai oti qa einai kai ypoyrgoi.

PRWTOPAPAS: Aytoi, omws, ekfrazoyn thn politikh ths N.D.

IWANNOY: Symplhrwmatika, loipon, dhlwsan oti ta prwths grammhs stelexh ths N.D. den einai mesa se ayton to sygkritiko pinaka.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi syntonistes ekfrazoyn th grammh toy kommatos ths N.D. pros ton ellhniko lao kai to Koinoboylio. Einai ta proswpa poy ekfrazoyn tis qeseis ths N.D. stoys sygkekrimenoys tomeis. Erwtatai, loipon, o ellhnikos laos me ayth th dhmoskophsh, ean qewrei oti aytoi oi syntonistes mporoyn na prowqhsoyn ena kybernhtiko ergo, opote ayto kriqei apo ton ellhniko lao h an oi shmerinoi ypoyrgoi xairoyn ths empistosynhs toy. Kai o ellhnikos laos apanta -toylaxiston ayto fainetai sth dhmoskophsh, me thn ajia poy exei h kaqe dhmoskophsh- oti ejakoloyqei na empisteyetai ton Kwsta Shmith, oti synexizei na empisteyetai to PASOK kai ta stelexh toy. Ayth einai h apanthsh poy prokyptei apo th dhmoskophsh. Apo emas perimenei o ellhnikos laos, na prowqhsoyme apofasistika to ergo mas, na mhn kanoyme to laqos ths eswstrefeias, alla na strefomaste pros thn koinwnia kai na prospaqoyme na epilyoyme ta problhmata poy antimetwpizoyn oi Ellhnes. Me ayton ton tropo qa allajoyme kai to klima.

KAPPOS: Meta th gnwsth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, yphrje synanthsh forewn me ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs, o opoios eixe dhlwsei oti qa allajei h stash ths Astynomias, se sxesh me poreies, ta syndikata k.lp. Anarwtiemai, ti nohma exei h apanthsh poy dwsate prin, kai ean exete qesei ena allo peristatiko poy afora paroysia dynamewn ths asfaleias sto swmateio twn ergazomenwn sto Olympiako Xwrio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na parakoloyqw kaqe peristatiko poy fernete eseis edw. Mporei na erwthqei, apo ton armodio syntakth toy Mesoy, sto opoio ergazeste, to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs. Ti poio aplo; H Astynomia kaqhmerina brisketai se polla shmeia. Den einai dynaton na exoyme deltio hmerhsias paroysias twn astynomikwn organwn sthn politikh enhmerwsh. Ayto den einai politiko zhthma.

Oson afora to politiko skelos me thn prwth erwthsh sas, ypenqymisa, me thn apanthsh moy, oti to qema twn poinikwn diwjewn den einai kybernhtiko. Den apofasizei h kybernhsh poios qa askhsei diwjh h oxi. H Dikaiosynh einai anejarthth sthn Ellada.

KAPPOS: Sthn apanthsh poy edwse o Prwqypoyrgos ston k. Mparnie, qa hqela na rwthsw poios kybernoyse to 1994; Yparxei kalo kai kako PASOK; Ean anafereste sthn periodo Mhtsotakh, qewreite logikh mia qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs apenanti sthn E.E. na ``karfwnei'' h mia ellhnikh kybernhsh thn allh;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Mparnie rwthse kapoia qemata gia tis meletes twn ergwn. Otan paralabame sto telos toy 1993 th diakybernhsh, den brhkame sxedon kamia meleth. Otan arxise h periodos toy B@ KPS, to 1994, den yphrxe sxedon kamia meleth. Tote arxisan na ginontai oi meletes. Ayto leme, kai afora, bebaiws, thn periodo diakybernhshs ths N.D. Opws gnwrizete emeis paralabame sto telos toy 1993.

KAPPOS: Gi ayto rwthsa, ean qewreite kalo....

PRWTOPAPAS: Pisteyw oti se opoia qesh ki an hsastan qa bazate ta pragmata sth qesh toys. Ejalloy, qelw na qymisw oti eyrwboyleytes ths N.D. kanoyn erwthseis gia seira qematwn, poy aforoyn thn ellhnikh kybernhsh.

MIXAHL: Mhpws mporeite na mas peite ti allo mporoyme na perimenoyme sto qema ths MAYO; O k. Laliwths, poy einai kai boyleyths kai prwhn ypoyrgos kai Grammateas toy kommatos sas, xqes htan safestatos. Eipe oti exoyme akoma polla pragmata kai ``oyres'' na bgoyn. Rwtw, ean mporeite na mas peite kati.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete o k. Laliwths anelabe thn politikh eyqynh kai eixe to qarros -pros timhn toy- na yperaspisei thn apoch toy, prosfeygontas ston eisaggelea, pragma to opoio den fainetai na kanoyn alloi. Kanoyn to liontari pros ton Typo, alla otan erqei h wra na pane ston eisaggelea kai na kataqesoyn sygkekrimena stoixeia ejafanizontai. O k. Laliwths den ekane ayto. Anelabe thn politikh eyqynh toy, eixe to qarros na palecei gia na apodeijei emprakta oti ayta poy leei einai alhqh. Ayto ton tima idiaitera. Omws, emeis den exoyme syzhthsei me ton k. Papaggelopoylo. Epomenws, to mono poy exoyme na kanoyme einai na perimenoyme. Bebaiws, qelw na sas epishmanw oti, mexri twra, oi ejelijeis exoyn dikaiwsei ton k. Laliwth.

TSIBOLA: Meta to amerikaniko aithma gia dikaiwma nhocias, yparxei kapoia apofash ths kybernhshs gia apodoxh h aporrich toy aithmatos; Gnwrizoyme prwton, ean exei ginei paromoio aithma kai se alles xwres kai deyteron, ean qa to syzhthsei o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Amerikano Proedro sto periqwrio ths Synodoy Koryfhs toy NATO;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti den exei kaqoristei kamia synanthsh, oyte me ton k. Mpoys, oyte me ton k. Poytin, oyte me kapoion allo hgeth. Den apokleietai, omws. Se aytes tis periptwseis, opws gnwrizete, kata th diarkeia twn Synodwn mporei na prokyptoyn synanthseis kai na antallassontai apoceis, metajy hgetwn. Ean yparjei kati tetoio, qa enhmerwqeite fysika apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo sthn ayrianh synenteyjh toy. Se o,ti afora to prwto qema poy qijate, sas enhmerwnw oti qa yparjei ellhnikh apanthsh. Hdh, meletatai to qema. Gnwrizete tis dhlwseis poy exoyn ginei apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai exei apanthsei ep` aytoy o k. Mpegliths.

TAKHS: Gia to fiasko ths Gioyrobizion, kapoioi epirriptoyn eyqynes ston tropo me ton opoio h kratikh thleorash organwse thn olh istoria kai epeleje to sygkekrimeno tragoydi gia na ekproswphsei th xwra. Ti apantate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn anazhtoyme eyqynes sthn kratikh thleorash xwris logo. Dystyxws, anti ``sagapw'', eixame ``baterlo'', opws eyfyws eipe kapoios shmera. Toylaxiston, ayto as to krinei o ellhnikos laos. Den exw tipota allo na pw.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Qa hqela to sxolio sas sxetika me to egxeiridio gia th ``17 Noembrh'', poy dhmosieyqhke xqes se kapoies efhmerides. Qelw na rwthsw ean synista eyrhma ajio logoy gia tis diwktikes arxes, ean me dedomeno ta xronia poy paramenoyn asyllhptoi oi drastes ths organwshs, problhmatizontai oi diwktikes arxes apo poy antloyn toys poroys gia na exoyn mia tetoia organwsh, etsi opws perigrafetai sto egxeiridio kai ean yparxei kapoia sxetikh plhroforhsh, kainoyrgia gia to qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes kai apo aytes tis diarroes poy ginontai oti oi diwktikes arxes doyleyoyn kai doyleyoyn poly swsta. Bebaiws, den mporw na gnwrizw pws ginetai h kaqe diarroh. Den symfwnw me aytoys poy tis kanoyn. Kaqoloy malista. Ekeino poy xreiazetai einai na ergazomaste kai na exoyme apotelesmata. Emeis menoyme s` ayto: Na doyleyoyme kai na fernoyme apotelesmata.

KWNSTANTHS: Dyo-tria eikositetrawra meta th synanthsh toy me toys politikoys arxhgoys -kai me ton arxhgo ths N.D.- stis opoies zhthse synainesh sta eqnika qemata, o Prwqypoyrgos sthn periodeia toy sthn Eyrytania kai th Fqiwtida, ejapelyse epiqesh enantion ths N. D, milhse gia misallodojia, arnhsh, dhmagwgia k.l.p. Pisteyete oti me tetoioy eidoys proseggiseis kai antiparaqeseis, mporei na epiteyxqei h synainesh sta eqnika qemata poy epizhta o Prwqypoyrgos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas exw thn entypwsh oti den akoysate, thn Paraskeyh, tis dhlwseis toy k. Karamanlh. Giati ean tis eixate akoysei qa eixate dei oti eixe ejapolysei mia barytath epiqesh kata ths kybernhshs kai malista me epiqeta kai xarakthrismoys, ta opoia emeis den xrhsimopoioyme. Epishs, einai allo h omocyxia sta eqnika qemata kai allo h politikh kritikh, metajy twn politikwn kommatwn sta eswterika qemata. Epeidh, apo thn pleyra mas, zhteitai -kai orqws zhteitai- omocyxia sta eqnika qemata -kai eidate poia htan h stash mas thn Paraskeyh apenanti stis dhlwseis toy k. Karamanlh- den shmainei oti den qa askhsoyme kritikh sthn politikh kai tis logikes poy emfanizei h N.D. gia qemata eswterikhs politikhs. Den stamata h politikh zwh sthn Ellada. Kai ayto den to lew mono gia emas. Isxyei gia ola ta kommata. Prepei na tonisw oti, bebaiws, einai logiko o Prwqypoyrgos na anaferetai se orismena zhthmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me th Dhmokratia, thn Eqnikh Antistash, th symperifora kommatwn, apenanti ston ellhniko lao. Qelw na qymisw oti h Dhmokratia ston topo mas oloklhrwqhke to 1981, meta th megaleiwdh nikh toy PASOK kai toy Andrea Papandreoy. Tote anagnwristhke h Eqnikh Antistash kai espasan ta stegana poy kratoysan dixasmeno ton ellhniko lao. Ayto den mporei na to jexname. Den mporei na mhn exoyme istorikh mnhmh. Tote anatraphke ena kaqestws sthn Ellada, to kaqestws ths dejias, ths N.D. -ayto htan to kaqestws- me thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ayto den shmainei oti apotelei prospaqeia dixasmoy. Antiqeta, malista, enwqhkan oi Ellhnes. Kai prepei na qymomaste poia paratajh enwse toys Ellhnes. Giati, otan to qymomaste, katalabainoyme poso pisteyei o k. Karamanlhs ayta poy leei peri synergasiwn me ta opoia ekfylizei to komma toy, se logikes synallaghs ths N.D. me stelexh ths Aristeras, opws kathggeile, akribws o k. Kwnstantopoylos.

KWNSTANTHS: Apo to 1974 mexri to 1981-82 den eixe oloklhrwqei h Dhmokratia, den yphrxe Dhmokratia sthn Ellada;

PRWTOPAPAS: Dhmokratia sthn Ellada yphrxe. Ayto einai safes. Alla, otan yphrxan Ellhnes, oi opoioi htan sto periqwrio ths koinwnikhs zwhs, otan yphrxan Ellhnes poy antimetwpizontan apo to epishmo kratos, orismenes fores, ws miasmata, katalabainete oti yphrxe ena qema poiothtas. Kai ayto to qema ekleise me toys nomoys toy Andrea Papandreoy kai ths kybernhshs toy PASOK. Yphrxe sobarotato qema poiothtas ths Dhmokratias mas.

ELENOPOYLOS: Yphrxe qema Dhmokratias, oxi poiothtas ths Dhmokratias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Me thn ennoia ths poiothtas mporw na to dextw. Den eipa pote oti h kybernhsh toy tote Prwqypoyrgoy K. Karamanlh den htan mia dhmokratikh kybernhsh, me dedomeno oti eixe eklegei apo ton ellhniko lao. Eixe eklegei apo ton ellhniko lao kai htan dhmokratikh, toso h kybernhsh toy 1974, oso kai h kybernhsh toy 1977. Me ayth thn ennoia htan. Alla, ypo thn ennoia, oti me th symperifora ths synexize na dixazei ton ellhniko lao, na dhmioyrgei stegana kai na empodizei thn oloklhrwsh ths Dhmokratias mas, yphrxe qema. Nomizw oti eimai apolytws safhs.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: To 1989, omws, o ellhnikos laos janachfise th Dejia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai eidame ti apegine, en synexeia.

IWANNOY: Na rwthsw kati teleytaio gia th Gioyrobizion...

PRWTOPAPAS: E, oxi, den mporw na apanthsw...

IWANNOY: Einai politikh erwthsh: H apotyxia ths Elladas fetos sth diorganwsh ths Gioyrobizion, pisteyete oti ofeilotan mono sto tragoydi h kai stis dhmosies sxeseis h sthn paroysia ths xwras mas, dedomenoy oti, ap` o,ti eidame, h baqmologhsh ginetai, en pollois, kai me tis dhmosies sxeseis poy qa exei kaqe xwra me tis alles eyrwpaikes xwres.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti einai etsi ta pragmata. Ayto aforoyse toys diorganwtes toy diagwnismoy kai oxi thn kybernhsh mas. Me thn eykairia, epitrecte moy na dwsw ta sygxarhthria sthn ekproswphsh ths Kyproy, giati eixan pragmati ena poly wraio tragoydi.

Sas eyxaristw.

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