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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 28 Maioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia to ejhs: Edw kai mia ebdomada exei kanei h Komision orismenes protaseis gia to mellon ths Eyrwphs, oi opoies kinoyntai se mia kateyqynsh arketa omospondiakh. Arketes xwres, opws to Belgio, h Portogalia k.lp. exoyn ekfrasei apoch gi` aytes tis protaseis. Den exw akoysei apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, an tis gnwrizete kai an exete kapoio sxolio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai gnwstes oi protaseis aytes. Yparxei mia kat` arxhn qetikh antimetwpish. Ontws, den exei ginei dhlwsh mexri stigmhs apo thn ellhnikh pleyra. Einai ena qema poy ejetazetai.

GARGALAKOS: Apo o,ti fainetai kai apo to deytero meros ths dhmoskophshs poy dhmosieyoyn "TA NEA", yparxei mia anasfaleia sthn koinh gnwmh, genika stoys ergazomenoys, sxetika me to Asfalistiko. Kai enw h kybernhsh prowqei to Asfalistiko, oysiastika na to perasei ws nomo toy kratoys mesa ston Ioynio, h ADEDY apergei ayrio, enw yparxoyn kai paratajeis mesa sth GSEE poy dhlwnoyn thn antiqesh toys. Ti mellei genesqai sxetika me to qema ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: H idia ayth h ereyna, anadeiknyei thn anagkh grhgorhs, dikaihs kai biwsimhs lyshs toy Asfalistikoy. Na eiste bebaios oti ayto qa ginei. Qa lysoyme to Asfalistiko, oxi ws anagkaio kako, alla ws prosfora ston polith. Kai qa to lysoyme me tropo dikaio kai biwsimo.

Yparxoyn antidraseis. Sebomai tis syndikalistikes antidraseis. Yparxoyn epimeroys qemata ta opoia oi ergazomenoi, ta syndikata -to kaqena me to diko toy tropo- epiqymoyn na diekdikhsoyn. Ayto einai apolytws sebasto kai den xreiazetai na to sxoliasoyme. Ekeino, omws poy ajizei ton kopo na sxoliasoyme einai h stash ths N.D., h opoia den qelei na lyqei to Asfalistiko. Qelei na parameinoyn oi gnwstes diatajeis toy nomoy - Sioyfa, poy exoyn katadikastei apo oloys toys ergazomenoys kai toys syntajioyxoys. Aytes oi diatajeis odhgoyn se adiejodo to Asfalistiko kai epibarynoyn monopleyra ton ergazomeno kai to syntajioyxo. Den prokeitai na meinoyme se ayto. Qa proxwrhsoyme. H asfalistikh metarryqmish qa ginei me tropo dikaio kai biwsimo.

PITTARAS: Epimenete sth xqesinh sas dhlwsh gia to etos -opws eseis eipate- poy egine h Dhmokratia sth xwra mas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Hsastan edw xqes, k. Pittara;

PITTARAS: Oxi, k. Ypoyrge.

PRWTOPAPAS: Tote na sas diabasw kai pali ti eipa; Nomizw oti einai xrhsimo, giati pragmati mia merida toy Typoy epixeirhse syneidhta shmera na diastreblwsei ta legomena moy. Alla, qa hqela, toylaxiston osoi eimaste edw -kai qa sas parakalesw gi` ayto, proswpika- na to prosexoyme. Eipa loipon: "Dhmokratia sthn Ellada yphrxe. Ayto einai safes. Alla yphrxan Ellhnes poy htan sto periqwrio ths koinwnikhs zwhs, yphrxan Ellhnes poy antimetwpizontan apo to epishmo kratos, orismenes fores, ws miasmata. Yphrxe ena qema poiothtas. Kai ayto to qema ekleise me toys nomoys toy Andrea Papandreoy kai ths kybernhshs toy PASOK".

Na sas ferw dyo paradeigmata: To prwto afora thn Eqnikh Antistash. Mexri to 1981 ena meros mono ths Eqnikhs Antistashs anagnwrizontan. To allo meros, to opoio htan kai h pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy tote, den anagnwrizontan ws Eqnikh Antistash. Alloi xarakthrismoi, toys opoioys den qelw na ypenqymisw ayth th stigmh, ejapolyontan kat` aytoy. Me tis kybernhseis toy PASOK, omws, oles oi organwseis poy syneiseferan sthn antistash toy laoy mas, eite ayto htan to EAM, eite htan o EDES, xarakthristhkan ws Eqnikh Antistash. Ayto den htan ena qema elleimmatos poy yphrxe;

Deyteron, o omilwn to 1976 kolloyse sthn ASOEE afises toy PASOK. To brhke ayto argotera sto fakelo toy. Opws gnwrizete yphrxan fakeloi kai qewreito ws stoixeio ajiopoihsimo gia tis Arxes Asfaleias to oti enas nearos kolloyse afises koinoboyleytikoy kommatos. Htan h den htan ena elleimma to opoio kalyfqhke meta to 1981;

Sas efera dyo paradeigmata. Ta symperasmata mporeite na ta bgalete monoi sas. Pote den eipa oti den yphrxe dhmokratia. Ayto to eida se mia efhmerida shmera, h opoia syneidhta diastreblwne ayta poy eipa. Eipa oti yphrxan elleimmata se qemata poiothtas, ta opoia apokatastaqhkan meta to 1981. Kai sas efera dyo paradeigmata poy den nomizw oti mporei na amfisbhthqoyn. Bebaiws, qa mporoysa me th seira moy na sxoliasw oti dhmosieymata toy typoy "h xeiroterh xoynta me thn kybernhsh toy PASOK", se shmerinh efhmerida, h opoia sthrizei th N.D., kaqe allo para timoyn to syntakth toys.

TAKHS: H prwth erwthsh moy, k. Ypoyrge, afora thn apodrash epikindynoy kakopoioy poy egine xqes to brady apo tis fylakes Korydalloy. Qa hqela to sxolio sas ep` aytoy kai an telikws yparxei problhma sto pws dioikoyntai oi sygkekrimenes fylakes kai ti symbainei me to olo systhma, me ola ayta kyklwmata, poy kaqe ligo akoyme;

PRWTOPAPAS: Pragmatika, xqes synebh, ena idiaitera dysaresto gegonos kai nomizw oti apotelei ena shmantiko problhma. Qelw, omws, na pw oti h antidrash ths kybernhshs kai eidika toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs Filippoy Petsalnikoy, htan amesh. Metebh sto swfronistiko katasthma Korydalloy, opws gnwrizete, kai paremeine ekei mexri tis 2.30 meta ta mesanyxta. Zhthse kai eixe plhrh enhmerwsh gia to peristatiko, enw synomilhse kai me toys emplekomenoys fylakes. Ta metra ths kybernhshs htan amesa. Teqhkan se diaqesimothta kai o dieyqynths kai o arxifylakas kai fylakes toy swfronistikoy katasthmatos. Diataxqhke amesws Enorkh Dioikhtikh Ejetash amesws, gia na diereynhqoyn oi eyqynes twn swfronistikwn ypallhlwn. Yphrje parembash toy eisaggelea Efetwn Peiraiws k. Flwratoy, o opoios parhggeile thn askhsh poinikhs diwjhs, gia prajeis apodrashs kai eleyqerwshs kratoymenoy ek doloy kai ej ameleias, enw to Kentriko Episthmoniko Symboylio Fylakwn qa paradwsei para poly grhgora, tis protaseis toy gia th diamorfwsh neoy eswterikoy kanonismoy leitoyrgias twn katasthmatwn krathshs. Entos toy Ioynioy qesmoqeteitai kai h leitoyrgia oligomeloys eyeliktoy organoy gia ton elegxo kai thn epiqewrhsh olwn twn swfronistikwn katasthmatwn ths xwras. Amesh antidrash, loipon, ths kybernhshs kai toy armodioy ypoyrgoy, diaqesimothtes gia ta stelexh toy swfronistikoy katasthmatos, ereyna se baqos, EDE gia na diapistwqoyn oi eyqynes, paraggelia diwjhs apo ton armodio eisaggelea kai qesmika metra, wste tetoia fainomena, poy oloys mas enoxloyn, na mhn epanalambanontai. H antidrash htan pragmatika amesh.

TAKHS: H deyterh erwthsh moy afora kapoia metra poy ypotiqetai oti qa ejaggeilei o yfypoyrgos Ygeias thn Paraskeyh. Me ayta ta metra, poy akomh den exoyn ejaggelqei, fainetai pws symfwnei h pleionothta twn synadelfwn sas, opws toylaxiston topoqetoyntai sth Boylh. Me bash, loipon, ayth th qetikh topoqethsh, mhpws skefteste, ektos apo thn apagoreysh se dhmosioys xwroys na labete kai alla metra poy na xtypoyn to kapnisma sth riza toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Pragmati, to ypoyrgeio Ygeias etoimazetai kai poly syntoma, se merikes meres, qa ejaggeilei sygkekrimena metra gia to kapnisma se dhmosioys xwroys. Ayta ta metra den exoyn na kanoyn me kamia aisqhsh h logikh periorismoy. Exoyn na kanoyn me thn prostasia twn politwn kai ths ygeias toys. Kai bebaiws me thn prostasia kai politwn poy den kapnizoyn. Yparxei h etoimothta sthn kybernhsh, wste se liges meres na ejaggelqoyn sygkekrimena metra gia thn prostasia ths ygeias twn politwn apo to kapnisma, kyriws se dhmosioys xwroys. Alla, ta sygkekrimena ayta metra qa ejaggelqoyn apo to armodio ypoyrgeio, se liges meres, me thn eykairia ths Pagkosmias Hmeras kata twn blaberwn synepeiwn toy kapnismatos.

IWANNOY: H kybernhsh exei merimnhsei wste na yparxoyn eidikoi xwroi gia kapnistes; Kai ena deytero erwthma: Yparxei ena aithma apo polloys synadelfoys sas poy diatypwqhke gia synolikotera metra ws pros th diafhmistikh kampania twn tsigarwn. Exei skeftei kati, ws pros ayto, h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa prin ligo oti ola ta sygkekrimena metra qa ejaggelqoyn apo to ypoyrgeio Ygeias. Katalabainete oti den einai swsto na ginontai apospasmatika oi ejaggelies. Qa htan kalytera na perimenoyme merikes meres kai na krinoyme, na syzhthsoyme sth synexeia ta sygkekrimena metra poy qa ejaggelqoyn.

SOYGLERHS: Se apoxh briskontai apo ta kaqhkonta toys oi kaqhghtes Panepisthmiwn kai symfwna me plhrofories, ean apexoyn kai thn epomenh ebdomada, oi ejetaseis qa pane gia to Fqinopwro. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo thn kybernhsh exei katablhqei idiaiterh kai shmantikh prospaqeia gia thn epilysh twn problhmatwn toys. Qelw na ypenqymisw oti einai prosfath h ejaggelia ths kybernhshs, gia thn epilysh enos shmantikoy asfalistikoy problhmatos, poy perilambanei ton ypologismo toy megalyteroy epidomatos poy exoyn oi Panepisthmiakoi stis syntajimes apodoxes toys. Ayto qa ayjhsei shmantika tis syntajimes apodoxes toys. To zhtoysan oi Panepisthmiakoi kai to apodexqhke h kybernhsh. To deytero aithma toys exei sxesh kyriws me toys misqoys toy didaktikoy toy episthmonikoy proswpikoy. Exoyn doqei shmantikes ayjhseis, idiaitera epi ypoyrgias toy G. Arsenh. Den arnhqhkame thn anagkh peraiterw ayjhsewn. Ti eipame, omws; Eipame oti ayto to qema qa syzhthqei kai qa lyqei sthn epomenh xronia to 2003, me tropo poy qa symfwnhqei apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias kai Oikonomikwn. Ara, oyte ekei yphrje arnhtikh apanthsh. Tonisame oti to qema qa lyqei me dialogo, entos twn plaisiwn ths poreias ths eqnikhs oikonomias, thn epomenh xronia. Qelw na tonisw -kai den qeloyme se kamia periptwsh na antidikoyme me thn panepisthmiakh koinothta- oti oi opoies kinhtopoihseis h antidraseis yparjoyn, den mporei na qesoyn se dokimasia thn ejetastikh periodo. Ta paidia den xrwstane tipota. Oloi agwnizomaste kai endiaferomaste -bebaiws kai oi Panepisthmiakoi- gia th swsth ekpaideysh toys. Pisteyw oti den prepei na proxwrei kaneis se kinhseis poy dhmioyrgoyn problhmata sta paidia mas. Sebomaste idiaitera to rolo kai th leitoyrgia twn Panepisthmiakwn kaqe baqmidas. Yparxei kalo klima dialogoy me to ypoyrgeio Paideias. Prepei na diafylajoyme kai na proxwrhsoyme se ayto to klima dialogoy, poy exei apodwsei polla kai shmantika apotelesmata, mexri twra, gia oloys.

MIXAHL: Para to gegonos oti oi Panepisthmiakoi apergoyn kai para to gegonos oti exete desmeyqei kai exete anagnwrisei oti exoyn dikio sto aithma toys, para to gegonos oti qa lysete to asfalistiko, par ola ayta h ADEDY kanei apergia. Mhpws, blepete pisw apo aytes tis kinhtopoihseis politikh skopimothta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi mexri twra dhlwseis pisteyw oti sas exoyn kalycei plhrws. Diaxwrisa aytoys poy exoyn politikes skopimothtes kai milhsa gia sygkekrimeno politiko komma. Bebaiws, apo kei kai pera, yparxoyn antirrhseis kapoiwn pleyrwn twn syndikatwn, poy aforoyn kyriws memonwmena qemata, gia ta opoia kinhtopoioyntai.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Xqes, apantwntas se erwthsh poy aforoyse to dhmosieyma ths ``Kaqhmerinhs'' gia to egxeiridio ths ``17 Noembrh'' milhsate gia diarroh. Hqela na rwthsw ean to sygkekrimeno eyrhma to exoyn ypoch toys oi diwktikes arxes kai ean oxi, giati to xarakthrisate diarroh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Efoson to exoyn ypoch toys, h lejh ``diarroh'' tairiazei apolyta. Den dieceysa to dhmosieyma, den eipa oti den isxyei. Eipa oti, profanws, egine diarroh.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Shmera, h efhmerida epanerxetai me to deytero meros aytoy toy egxeiridioy. Hqela na kanw kapoia erwthmata poy qetei kai h efhmerida, ws pros to politiko zhthma gia th ``17 Noembrh''. Ean apasxolei thn kybernhsh, poios xrhmatodotei th drash ths organwshs, poios wfeleitai endexomenws apo ayth th drash kai ean telikws exei diapistwqei sxesh ths ``17 Noembrh'' me mystikes yphresies.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw na dhlwsw kati ws pros ayto. Oson afora omws to politiko meros, epanalambanw oti h kybernhsh einai apofasismenh na kanei to kaqhkon ths se sxesh me tis tromokratikes organwseis kai eidika me th ``17 Noembrh''. Synergazomaste kai me jenes yphresies. Ayto den to exoyme krycei. Ajiopoioyme kaqe empeiria poy yparxei. Exoyme edikoys poy doyleyoyn entatika kai systhmatika s` ayth thn kateyqynsh. Skopos mas einai na apokalycoyme tis tromokratikes organwseis, na dwsoyme ena apofasistiko ktyphma sthn tromokratia sthn Ellada. Gi ayto na eiste oloi bebaioi. Den mporw na pw kati allo. Ta qemata ayta ta xeirizontai oi armodioi kai o tropos toy xeirismoy toys -opws katalabainete- prepei na einai idiaitera leptos kai aporrhtos. Anefera thn politikh kateyqynsh mas, h opoia einai safhs. H Ellada, oloi mas, zhmiwnomaste apo thn yparjh tromokratikwn organwsewn. Na strateytoyme, na synergastoyme kai na symbaloyme, me opoion tropo mporei o kaqenas. Ginetai systhmatikh kai sobarh doyleia kai ayth mas kanei na eimaste aisiodojoi.

KARGOYDH: Xqes, epanalhfqhke ena dysaresto fainomeno gia toys Aqhnaioys. Peripoy 50 anqrwpoi, melh paraqrhskeytikhs organwshs, diadhlwnan sto kentro ths polhs me, apotelesma na dhmioyrgei komfoyzio. Qelw na rwthsw -epeidh polles fores exei teqei ayto to erwthma kai exete afhsei anoikto to endexomeno gia th lhch kapoiwn metrwn se synarthsh panta me ton ogko twn diamartyriwn- ean qa parete metra poy na epitrepoyn kai thn ekfrash ths diamartyrias twn politwn, alla kai thn prostasia twn politwn poy den diamartyrontai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qetete ena poly sobaro qema poy, kata kairoys, mas exei apasxolhsei, alla den exw na prosqesw kati kainoyrgio. O kaqenas mas exei eyqynh pros thn koinwnia. Ekeino poy xreiazetai na kanoyn aytoi oi anqrwpoi einai na apodeiknyoyn emprakta oti exoyn aisqhma eyqynhs.

ALEJAKHS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas sxetika me th shmerinh katalhch radiofwnikoy staqmoy, toy opoioy oi ergazomenoi zhtoyn thn katabolh dedoyleymenwn kai efarmogh toy nomoy gia tis poinikes prajeis poy exei diaprajei h idiokthsia toy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Se o,ti afora tetoia zhthmata o nomos efarmozetai plhrws. Qa lhfqoyn ola ta metra gia thn prostasia twn ergazomenwn. H ESHEA, ejalloy, kat epanalhch, exei kanei dia toy Proedroy ths sxetikes parembaseis kai eggrafws kai proforikws. Pisteyw oti antapokrinomaste kata ton kalytero tropo, se o,ti afora thn prostasia twn ergazomenwn.

ALEJAKHS: Yparxei qema apo thn kybernhsh na zhthqei apo to ESR na parembei gia th metabash xrhshs ths adeias poy xorhghqhke sto staqmo.

PRWTOPAPAS: To ESR qa kanei elegxo gia oles tis periptwseis poy ginontai allages stoixeiwn, poy exoyn katateqei, to ESR qa kanei elegxo. Opws gnwrizete, ekei yparxei ena qema. Eimaste se mia akrws metabatikh fash. Shmera, oloklhrwqhke kai h chfish toy nomosxedioy poy kateqese to ypoyrgeio mas sth Boylh kai qa apotelei pleon nomos toy kratoys, opote qa ginei kai h prokhryjh gia tis thleoptikes adeies eqnikhs embeleias. Ayto poy mporoyme na kanoyme, ayth th stigmh, einai na prostatecoyme ta dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn. Kai ayto qa kanoyme. Opws gnwrizete, exei eidopoihqei h Epiqewrhsh Ergasias kai, kat epanalhch, exei parembei.

ALEJAKHS: Den yparxei kyrwsh pros ton idiokthth, mexri stigmhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kyrwseis problepontai apo thn poinikh nomoqesia, opws gnwrizete.

GARGALAKOS: Thn wra poy petoyse to aeroplano me ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas G. Papantwnioy, toyrkika maxhtika petajan dipla toy, qa hqela na rwthsw, ean parenoxlhsan to aeroplano toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizw den yphrje problhma parenoxlhshs. Ton teleytaio kairo, polles fores -to exoyme pei kai se prohgoymenh synanthsh mas- h toyrkikh pleyra probainei se kinhseis parabiasewn kai parabasewn, prospaqwntas na dhmioyrghsei deytereyonta metwpa kai problhmata, profanws gia na apoprosanatolisei apo ta kyria zhthmata poy einai h epilysh toy Kypriakoy kai h entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn E.E. Exoyme anaferqei sthn taktikh mas poy exei polles pleyres kai einai plhrhs se ayta ta zhthmata.

POYLIDOY: Epeidh, polles fores, exoyme diamartyrhqei gia tis apeiles ths toyrkikhs pleyras, to casus belli poy eipe xqes o k. Papantwnioy den qewreitai apeilh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala ti shmainei ``apeilh'' kai frastika kai emprakta. En pash periptwsei, ayto poy qelw na tonisw, einai oti to kyrio metwpo mas einai strammeno sta megala eqnika qemata. Yparxei to zhthma toy Kypriakoy, poy einai se ena idiaitera krisimo stadio kai to qema ths entajhs ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn E.E., to opoio krinetai -opws gnwrizete- sto epomeno xroniko diasthma. Ara, exoyme ayta ta dyo qemata kai h epityxia toys qa dwsei tis apanthseis pros oles tis kateyqynseis.

GARGALAKOS: Kapoia synanthsh eixe shmera o Prwqypoyrgos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mexri prin ligo den eixe prosdioristei kamia synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Oloklhrwqhkan oi omilies twn arxhgwn kratwn-melwn toy NATO. Sth synexeia, qa ypografei h Diakhryjh ths Rwmhs, poy qa perilambanei thn eidikh sxesh toy NATO me th Rwsikh Omospondia kai qa yparjei kleisto geyma twn hgetwn, kata th diarkeia toy opoioy qa antallagoyn apoceis. Gia ola ayta ta zhthmata o Prwqypoyrgos qa kanei dhlwseis stoys Ellhnes ekproswpoys Typoy poy exoyn metabei ekei.

IWANNOY: O Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei se erwthseis thn Paraskeyh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa sas enhmerwsw ayrio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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