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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 24 Maioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete, ayth thn wra, oloklhrwnontai oi synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys arxhgoys twn politikwn kommatwn. Ayth th stigmh, einai se ejelijh h synanthsh me ton Proedro toy Synaspismoy ths Aristeras kai ths Proodoy Niko Kwnstantopoylo. Meta to peras twn synanthsewn, o Prwqypoyrgos qa kanei sxetikh dhlwsh.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Karamanlhs sth dhlwsh toy, meta th synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, askhse ojytath kritikh, toso se o,ti afora thn politikh ths kybernhshs sta eqnika qemata kai eidika ston eyrwstrato, oso kai se o,ti afora to pedio ths synergasias kai ths synennohshs kybernhshs - antipoliteyshs gia ta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epeidh synexizontai oi synanthseis kai epeidh qa yparjei dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to klima twn synanthsewn, pisteyw oti einai fronimotero na sas parapemcw ekei. Ayto poy qelw na tonisw einai oti skopos twn synanthsewn aytwn einai h enhmerwsh twn politikwn arxhgwn gia tis ejelijeis sta eqnika qemata. Bebaiws, eixan kai exoyn th dynatothta oi politikoi arxhgoi na anaptyjoyn tis qeseis toys ston Prwqypoyrgo, anaforika me ta eqnika qemata. Ekeino poy anazhtoyme, ws apotelesma aytwn twn synanthsewn, einai ena klima eqnikhs omocyxias poy qa mas kanei akomh pio isxyroys stis politikes prospaqeies poy qa ginoyn gia thn prowqhsh twn eqnikwn qematwn mas. Ayto to klima eqnikhs omocyxias to exoyme anagkh oloi, idiaitera twra poy eftase h wra twn apofasewn, twra poy hrqe h stigmh twn ejelijewn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kai mias poy eftase h wra twn megalwn apofasewn, h Agkyra fainetai oti anebazei to qermometro. Xqes, eixame entones parabiaseis toyrkikwn aeroskafwn, malista kai fwtografikwn fantom poy perasan panw apo thn Krhth kai se alla shmeia toy Aigaioy. Bebaia, anaxaitisthkan apo ta ellhnika aeroskafh. Sas erwtw: Ayto to gegonos entassetai stis anamenomenes toyrkikes proklhseis, oson afora to Kypriako kai idiws thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E.;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti h Toyrkia qa epixeirhsei na dhmioyrghsei deytereyonta metwpa. Exoyme pei, kat` epanalhch -kai qa synexisoyme na to yposthrizoyme- oti emeis prepei na meinoyme prosanatolismenoi stoys kentrikoys stoxoys mas.

Poioi einai oi kentrikoi stoxoi mas, oson afora to Kypriako; O prwtos, einai h epilysh toy Kypriakoy mesa apo to dialogo, sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE kai o deyteros -poy shmera mpainei sthn telikh toy eyqeia- einai h entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. Aytoi einai oi stoxoi mas, ekei qa dwsoyme tis maxes mas. Oi Toyrkoi piqanws qa epixeirhsoyn na strecoyn to endiaferon alloy. Den qa toys akoloyqhsoyme. Bebaiws, lambanoyme panta ola ta anagkaia metra. Alla, oi dikes mas prospaqeies kai prwtoboylies exoyn ws apokleistikoys stoxoys ta megala qemata poy krinontai ayth thn periodo.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ayto einai to ena kai poly swsta to qesate, alla ti ginetai me tis parabiaseis ston enaerio xwro; Qa tis antimetwpizoyme etsi siwphra, den katalaba;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den antimetwpizoyme siwphra tis parabiaseis. Ginontai diamartyries@

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Otan parabiazoyn ton enaerio xwro ths Elladas, pws antidra h Ellada dia twn anaxaitisewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxoyn gia oles tis periptwseis antidraseis. Kai anaxaitiseis ginontai kai diabhmata kai ajiopoioyme ola ta mesa poy exoyme sto diplwmatiko kai politiko oplostasio mas. Bebaiws, gnwrizete oti ta aeroplana mas perifroyroyn apolyta ton eqniko enaerio xwro. Gi` ayto den yparxei amfibolia. Omws, milhsa gia thn kateyqynsh ths kentrikhs strathgikhs mas. Eimaste staqera prosanatolismenoi sto na doqoyn lyseis sta megala zhthmata. Den qa dwsoyme th dynatothta sthn Toyrkia na strecei to endiaferon se zhthmata, ta opoia oysiastika ta xrhsimopoiei kai prospaqei na ta ajiopoihsei gia anoigma deytereyontwn metwpwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Isxyrizeste twra kai diabebaiwnete oti ginontai anaxaitiseis apo ta ellhnika aeroplana@

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhsa ws genikh kateyqynsh, oti den afhnoyme kapoion na parabiasei ton enaerio xwro. Einai safes.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Yparxei plhroforia kai qelw na th diaceysete h na thn epibebaiwsete oti den ginontai anaxaitiseis plhn spaniwn periptwsewn h mallon den ginontai sto baqmo poy ginontan kata to parelqon kai deyteron oti exoyn pollaplasiastei kata 300% oi parabiaseis kai oi parabaseis toy enaerioy xwroy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn pollaplasiastei oi parabiaseis kai oi parabaseis. Ayto einai katagegrammeno. Ayto poy qelw na pw einai na katalaboyme to giati ginontai. Oles oi kinhseis, bebaiws, poy prepei na kanei h Ellada tis kanei. Ayto to kaqistw safes. Ekeino poy qelw na ermhneysoyme einai to giati ginontai. H Toyrkia exei perielqei se poly dyskolh qesh, dioti synexizei thn adiallakth stash ths sto Kypriako kai ayto to blepei olh h dieqnhs koinothta. Prowqeitai me idiaitera qetikoys ryqmoys h poreia entajhs ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn E.E. H Toyrkia, loipon, blepei oti kindyneyei na apomonwqei apo th dieqnh koinothta, logw ths stashs ths kai prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei deytereyonta metwpa. Prospaqei na strecei alloy to endiaferon. Prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei thn eikona problhmatos. Emeis prepei na meinoyme staqeroi sth stash mas, sthn politikh mas. Bebaiws kai apantame, alla h kentrikh kateyqynsh ths politikhs mas prepei na einai safhs, na th gnwrizei olos o ellhnikos laos. Gi` ayto o Prwqypoyrgos syzhta, shmera, me toys politikoys arxhgoys. Qa syzhthsei kai me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Enhmerwse kai ton ellhniko lao. Qa einai synexhs h enhmerwsh, se klima eqnikhs omocyxias, mesa stoys dieqneis organismoys, oi opoioi kaloyntai na paroyn tis apofaseis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den diafwnw me ayta poy lete. Qa mporoysa na pw oti o kaqe Ellhnas ta yioqetei. To erwthma moy, omws, ejakoloyqei na paramenei: Exoyn meiwqei oi dikes mas antidraseis, oson afora thn perifroyrhsh toy enaerioy xwroy mas; Yparxei entolh pros tis hgesies twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, kata tomeis, na mhn antikroyontai oi parabiaseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa, hdh. Oxi.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw, me bash osa eipate parapanw, ean h kybernhsh fobatai qermo epeisodio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exete kalyfqei apo tis apanthseis moy. Exoyme mprosta mas politikes maxes. Kai, bebaiws, gnwrizoyme oti ston poly shmantiko stoxo ths entajhs ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn E.E. einai piqanon, xwris na exoyme omws kati ayth th stigmh, h Toyrkia h kapoioi alloi na prospaqhsoyn na egeiroyn empodia. Gi` ayto milhsa gia politikes maxes. Qa antimetwpisoyme mesa apo thn politikh mas kinhtopoihsh, thn prosoxh kai tis prwtoboylies mas mesa sth dieqnh koinothta to opoio piqano empodio epixeirhqei na egerqei. Gia to logo ayto gnwrizete oti exoyn symfwnhqei me ton Proedro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias Glayko Klhridh shmantikes prwtoboylies kai ths Elladas kai ths Kyproy. Kai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh syntonismena me thn Kypro kinoymaste. H poreia entajhs ths Kyproy ayth th stigmh einai omalh, brisketai se qetiko shmeio. Ofeiloyme na thn perifroyrhsoyme mexri th stigmh poy qa lhfqei h apofash. Kai ayto proypoqetei politikes prwtoboylies, megalh prosoxh kai egrhgorsh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Sth synanthsh metajy toy k. Klhridh kai toy k. Shmith, ena apo ta qemata, htan kai to qema ths asfaleias twn synorwn kai egine kapoio sxedio drashs se dedomenh stigmh proklhsewn ths Toyrkias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ta qemata htan ayta poy anakoinwqhkan.

POYLIDOY: Einai gnwsto oti arketoi Eyrwpaioi etairoi den epiqymoyn th dieyrynsh kai anaferw endeiktika th Gallia. Mhpws me th stash ths ayth h Ellada dieykolynei telika osoys den qeloyn na proxwrhsei h dieyrynsh, alla den qeloyn na to poyn kai toso kaqara;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exoyme endeijeis oti yparxoyn etairoi, oi opoioi den epiqymoyn th dieyrynsh. Fysika, den mporw na jerw ti yparxei sto pisw meros toy myaloy toy kaqenos. Alla, oi apofaseis einai sygkekrimenes kai den exoyn amfisbhthqei, idiaitera apo megales xwres. Oi apofaseis einai yper ths dieyrynshs. Einai safeis. Kai ektimw oti oi apofaseis aytes qa epibebaiwqoyn kai sth Sebillh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epeidh, k. Ypoyrge, mas lete para polla endiaferonta stoixeia gia th stash ths kybernhshs se ayto to eqniko qema, epimenw na erwtw sto praktiko qema: Ayth th stigmh, yparxoyn aeroskafh kai oplika systhmata poy einai paroplismena kai den mporoyn na xrhsimopoihqoyn se analoges periptwseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa. Nomizw oti exei ejantlhqei to qema...

PAPADOPOYLOS: Yparxei elleimma, ayto qelw na diaceysete.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxoyn elleimmata ston amyntiko sxediasmo mas. Yparxei mia poly prosektikh kai poly kalh doyleia kai ayto to anagnwrizoyn oloi.

NIKOLTSIOY: Dedomenoy oti h kybernhsh phre metra gia thn patajh toy paranomoy tzogoy, enas boyleyths apomakrynqhke apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, pws krinete telika to gegonos oti h ekpomph kai to kanali poy apokalycan ayto to qema, toys epiblhqhke prostimo, me megalo xrhmatiko poso;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw th gnwmh oti syndeete anomoia pragmata metajy toys. En pash periptwsei, perimenw tis apofaseis toy ESR gia na dw ti lene kai qa sas apanthsw.

NIKOLTSIOY: Eseis pantws pisteyete oti prepei na epiblhqei prostimo; Egine mia apokalych, xrhsimopoihqhke mia meqodos, telika...

PRWTOPAPAS: Egw eimai ypoyrgos Typoy & MME kai ekproswpos ths kybernhshs. Kinoymai, oxi me bash ti qelei to kaqe kanali -to gnwrizete poly kala ayto- alla me bash ti leei o nomos, ti leei to plaisio twn apofasewn mas kai ti prepei na ginei. Epitrecte moy na sas pw oti den moy aresei kaqoloy mia symperifora poy exei fanei ton teleytaio kairo -kai den einai apo mia pleyra, isws- otan exoyme kapoio qema sto Meso mas, na erxomaste edw kaqe mera kai na epanerxomaste sto idio Meso. Qelw na sas parakalesw ayto to shmeio na to prosexoyme ligo, wste na mhn ypobaqmizetai h politikh mas synanthsh kai h shmasia ths. Sas apanthsa, hdh, oti otan erqoyn ta praktika toy ESR, qa doyme ti lene kai qa sas apanthsw sygkekrimena gyrw apo to qema. Na meinoyme mexris ekei.

SOYGLERHS: Pws skeftetai h kybernhsh, poies prwtoboylies qa parei h kapoia metra, me aformh to mega qema koinwnikhs eyqynhs poy exei prokycei apo toys episthmones kai ta MME gia th zwh, alla kai thn asfaleia twn Ellhnwn politwn, me aformh toys seismoys kai th dhmosiopoihsh kapoiwn ekqesewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas parapemcw stis xqesines dhlwseis ths ypoyrgoy PEXWDE Basws Papandreoy. Pragmatika dinoyn oles tis apanthseis.

TAKHS: Epi aytoy toy qematos, o k. Papadopoylos, o kaqhghths seismologias, shmera to prwi eipe oti h diarroh, h dioxeteysh aytoy toy eggrafoy egine skopimws, oxi apo thn pleyra toy k. Papazaxoy, alla apo thn pleyra, piqanws, toy ypoyrgeioy gia na dhmioyrghqei mia akyrwsh toy k. Papazaxoy se endexomenh epanatopoqethsh toy, ws proedros mias epitrophs antiseismikhs prostasias h na topoqethqei allos... Malista, xarakthrise th dhlwsh ths kas Papandreoy, peri kocimatos twn kondyliwn, ws dhlwsh mh sobarh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayta einai senaria episthmonikhs fantasias. Exw thn ektimhsh -kai ayth einai h qesh mas- oti to YPEXWDE exei xeiristei me idiaitero aisqhma eyqynhs kai sobarothtas to olo qema. To kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme einai na parakoloyqhsoyme tis dhlwseis ths kas Papandreoy kai toy k. Tsakleidh, oi opoies dinoyn oysiastikes kai plhreis apanthseis se ola ta erwthmata.

TAKHS: Aixmes enantion toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn afhse, oxi enantion toy YPEXWDE...

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhse, dhladh, gia thn politikh prostasia. Oxi, den yparxei tetoio qema.

TAKHS: Me thn topoqethsh sas ayth, apokleietai h dioxeteysh toy eggrafoy na exei ginei apo kapoio yphresiako paragonta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw kai oyte mporw na kanw anakriseis gia to poios dioxeteyse to eggrafo. Den einai aytos o rolos moy. To zhtoymeno einai oti o olos xeirismos toy qematos, toso apo thn armodia arxh, oso kai apo thn kybernhsh htan o swstos, o pragmatikos, aytos poy prepei na gnwrizoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites.

MPOTWNHS: O k. Mhtsotakhs ekane dhlwseis ef` olhs ths gia to Asfalistiko. Eipe oti h kybernhsh den leei thn alhqeia kai kalese toys ergazomenoys na briskontai se egrhgorsh gia na antimetwpisoyn "ayta ta ceydh ths kybernhshs" kai genikotera olo to skhniko poy exei dhmioyrghqei. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: H N.D. den qelei na lyqei to Asfalistiko. H N.D. qelei na mh ginetai tipota sthn Ellada. H N.D. qelei na mh lyqei to Asfalistiko yper twn ergazomenwn, wste na parameinoyn oi arnhtikes ryqmiseis toy nomoy Sioyfa, oi opoies exoyn katadikastei apo to synolo twn ergazomenwn kai twn syntajioyxwn. Ayth einai h politikh ths. Ayth th stigmh poy h kybernhsh me tis prospaqeies ths, toso ston tomea twn ryqmisewn, oso kai sta qemata xrhmatodothshs apo ta ypoyrgeia Ergasias kai Oikonomikwn, ftanei sta proqyra lyshs kai dhmioyrgei tis proypoqeseis mias eyryterhs eqnikhs symfwnias gia to Asfalistiko, fainetai oti h N.D. anhsyxei, epixeirei na dhmioyrghsei problhmata kai na akyrwsei tis ejelijeis. Giati; Gia na bohqhsei toys ergazomenoys; Oxi. Epidiwkei na meinoyn oi arnhtikes kai antiasfalistikes ryqmiseis toy nomoy Sioyfa. Den qa meinoyn, omws. Qa allajoyn. To Asfalistiko qa lyqei me dikaiosynh kai biwsimothta. Qa einai mia megalh metarryqmish, qetikh gia toys ergazomenoys kai toys syntajioyxoys poy qa proxwrhsei.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Pws sxoliazete th xqesinh drimytath epiqesh twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs, kata th diarkeia ths syzhthshs gia to basiko metoxo; Anaferomai idiaitera sthn kataggelia toy k. Kwnstantopoyloy oti h kybernhsh ekxwrhse symbaseis stoys kyrioys Kokkalh kai Lamprakh, para to gegonos oti o enas den diaqetei pistopoihtiko diafaneias kai enantion toy deyteroy ekkremoyn dikastikes ypoqeseis; Epishs qa hqela na sxoliasete kai thn aixmh toy k. Mhtsotakh gia prosxhmatiko elegxo twn off-shore etairiwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa se oloys. Malista, fanhke oti h N.D. den htan enhmerwmenh, xqes. Gia paradeigma, h N.D. den gnwrize oti ginetai elegxos twn off-shore etairiwn kai egine idiaitera malista kata th diarkeia ths ejetashs twn thleoptikwn adeiwn eqnikhs embeleias. Den to gnwrizan, synelhfqhsan adiabastoi. Opws, h N.D. eipe cemata, otan mas kathgorhse oti ferame prwto to nomo gia to asymbibasto kai oxi alloys nomoys. Dioti edwsa xarti, symfwna me to opoio, stis 12 Febroyarioy 2002, o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs Kwnstantinos Karamanlhs eixe zhthsei apo ton Proedro ths Boylhs thn epispeysh twn diadikasiwn gia thn chfish toy nomoy gia to asymbibasto, dhladh thn chfish toy nomoy gia to basiko metoxo. H N.D., loipon, kai den gnwrizei kai ceydetai. Ayto anadeixqhke idiaitera, kata th xqesinh syzhthsh sth Boylh. Epishs, edwsa analytikes apanthseis se eji shmeia ston Proedro toy Synaspismoy ths Aristeras kai ths Proodoy.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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