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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 15 Ioynioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, opws diamorfwnetai, tis epomenes hmeres.

Shmera, stis 20.30, opws gnwrizete, diorganwnetai sto Zappeio Megaro ekdhlwsh gia thn entajh ths xwras sthn ONE, sthn opoia o Prwqypoyrgos qa ekfwnhsei omilia, paroysia toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. H omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa einai sth diaqesh sas.

Ayrio, synexizetai h dihmerida ayth, h opoia perilambanei syzhthseis gia qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn poreia ths xwras mas mesa, pleon, sthn ONE. O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio to prwi, me thn eykairia ths oloklhrwshs ths prospaqeias mas gia thn entajh sthn ONE, exei programmatisei synanthseis me toys politikoys arxhgoys kai koinwnikoys foreis, ws ejhs: Stis 10 to prwi qa dexqei ton k. Karamanlh, stis 10.45 thn k. Paparhga, stis 11.30 ton k. Kwnstantopoylo, stis 12.30 th GSEE kai stis 2 h wra to SEB.

Thn Kyriakh, anaxwrei, me epikefalhs ton Prwqypoyrgo, h antiproswpeia gia thn Portogalia.

To prwi ths Deyteras, kata thn enarjh ths Synodoy Koryfhs, qa syzhthqoyn oikonomika qemata, metajy twn allwn, qa lhfqei kai h politikh apofash gia thn entajh ths Elladas sthn ONE. To idio brady, qa lhfqei kai typika pleon h apofash gia thn entajh ths xwras mas apo to Symboylio twn Ypoyrgwn Oikonomikwn.

Thn epomenh, stis 12.30 to meshmeri, organwnetai mia mikrh teleth, apo thn Proedria, gia to gegonos ayto.

Thn Tetarth, stis 13.00, o Prwqypoyrgos, sto plaisio pantote ths idias prwtoboylias, qa dexqei toys ekproswpoys ths PASEGES kai stis 13.45 qa dexqei toys ekproswpoys ths GSEBEE.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, qelw na ejarw thn prospaqeia poy kataballoyn oi Pyrosbestikes Yphresies gia thn antimetwpish twn pyrkagiwn poy exoyn ekdhlwqei, tis teleytaies hmeres, se diafores perioxes ths xwras. Kai to kanw ayto, giati qelw na anaferqw ston ajiwmatiko toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos Hlia Gkatsio, o opoios traymatisthke apo katolisqhsh braxwn se mia dysbath perioxh toy Taygetoy, opoy briskotan se ejelijh mia epixeirhsh toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos gia thn antimetwpish ths fwtias. Xeiroyrghqhke dyo fores sto Nosokomeio ths Sparths kai sth synexeia, metaferqhke sto 401 Stratiwtiko Nosokomeio, sthn Aqhna, opoy xeiroyrghqhke gia trith fora. H katastash toy einai krisimh, alla brisketai ektos kindynoy. Ayto einai to mono eyxaristo sthn periptwsh ayth, oti einai pleon, oristika, ektos kindynoy. To anaferw ayto, giati ajizei pragmatika, mias kai eiserxomaste sth ``diakekaymenh'' periodo na kanoyme mneia stoys anqrwpoys ekeinoys poy frontizoyn se 24wrh bash, gia thn antimetwpish tetoiwn fainomenwn.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O Arxiepiskopos exei klhqei, shmera to brady, sthn ekdhlwsh sto Zappeio;

REPPAS: Exoyn klhqei oloi oi foreis poy symmetexoyn, synhqws, se aytes tis ekdhlwseis.

KARGOYDH: Me aformh th xqesinh, kata genikh omologia, politikh emfanish toy k. Xristodoyloy sth Qessalonikh, apo arga xqes to brady, alla kai shmera to prwi, ginontai sxoliasmoi politikwn paragontwn, oi opoioi qetoyn zhthma enarjhs diadikasias toy xwrismoy Kratoys-Ekklhsias. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Gia osa exoyn sxesh me th xqesinh sygkentrwsh sthn Plateia Aristoteloys sth Qessalonikh, exw probei se sxetikh dhlwsh. Paramenw se ayth th dhlwsh.

KARGOYDH: Gia to deytero qema;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h kybernhsh den exei antimetwpisei tetoio qema. Stis de syzhtoymenes diatajeis toy Syntagmatos, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei h Boylh sto endexomeno anaqewrhshs toys, den perilambanontai ekeines twn arqrwn 3 kai 13 toy Syntagmatos poy anaferontai sto qema, to opoio ki eseis qesate me thn erwthsh sas. Prepei na tonisw, gia allh mia fora, oti h syntetagmenh politeia, h Kybernhsh, den qewrei oti stis sxeseis ths me thn Ekklhsia yparxei pedio sygkroyshs. H kybernhsh, ej orismoy, den empleketai se opoiasdhpote morfhs antidikia me thn Ekklhsia kai den einai dynaton h kybernhsh na dhmioyrghsei ena plaisio dialogoy politikhs morfhs h diapragmateyshs me thn Ekklhsia. Oi roloi einai diakritoi. H Ekklhsia askei ta pneymatika kai koinwnika kaqhkonta ths. Tetoies ekdhlwseis , asfalws, den prosidiazoyn sto xarakthra ths ellhnikhs Ekklhsias. Me aporia kai problhmatismo akoyme polloys isxyrismoys kai gennwntai polla erwthmatika. Poios einai o logos poy anaferontai ola ayta ta senaria, ta opoia sthrizontai se isxyrh fantasia kapoiwn kai monon kai den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta. Alla, h skopimothta einai profanhs. Kai nomizw oti h skopimothta, opws ekdhlwqhke kai meta th xqesinh sygkentrwsh sth Qessalonikh, den einai allh apo th diekdikhsh enos roloy, o opoios einai jenos pros thn paradosh kai to oysiastiko periexomeno ths apostolhs ths Ekklhsias.

PARIS: Epeidh, ontws, h sygkentrwsh sth Qessalonikh htan megalh kai epeidh thn Tetarth poy mas erxetai qa ginei nea sygkentrwsh sthn Aqhna, h opoia problepetai na einai megalyterh, olos aytos o kosmos exei mia sygkekrimenh apoch, ayto to lambanete ypoch sas; Problepetai kapoia synanthsh toy prwqypoyrgoy me ton Arxiepiskopo, prin apo th sygkentrwsh sthn Aqhna h meta th sygkentrwsh ths Aqhnas;

REPPAS: Oi polites poy zoyn sthn Ellada mporoyn eleyqera na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys. To fronhma sthn Ellada den diwketai. Antiqetws, prosferontai oles oi dieykolynseis, prokeimenoy oi polites na diadhlwnoyn tis apoceis toys. Apo ekei kai pera, h odos toy dialogoy einai ayth poy prepei na akoloyqeitai apo thn Ekklhsia. Gia mas, o dromos aytos paramenei pantote anoiktos. O armodios Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn einai ana pasa stigmh sth diaqesh twn ekproswpwn ths Ierarxias ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas, prokeimenoy na syzhthsoyn qemata, ta opoia aforoyn thn Ekklhsia, to rolo ths kai tis sxeseis ths me to kratos.

Oson afora to qema twn taytothtwn, h kybernhsh exei aposafhnisei th qesh ths. Paramenoyme se ayth th qesh. Den mporei na apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs ayto to sygkekrimeno qema. Yparxoyn, omws, problhmata ta opoia h Ekklhsia prepei na antimetwpisei, opws ayta poy exoyn sxesh me thn aponomh ths ekklhsiastikhs dikaiosynhs, me thn ekklhsiastikh ekpaideysh, me ta erga anaptyjhs ths Ekklhsias. Gia ola ayta kai alla problhmata poy antimetwpizei h ellhnikh Ekklhsia, h kybernhsh einai etoimh na syzhthsei me toys ekproswpoys ths, prokeimenoy na yposthrijei to ergo ths Ekklhsias.

FILHS: Xqes, h Commission, apantwntas se erwthsh toy eyrwboyleyth k. Alabanoy, deixnei na dikaiwnetai h kybernhtikh epilogh sto qema twn taytothtwn. Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola den anamenoyme thn apoch, th qesh h thn apofash alloy organoy gia mia epilogh ths kybernhshs poy qewroyme oti antapokrinetai plhrws sth desmh arxwn poy diepei thn politikh mas gia to sebasmo twn atomikwn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn. Bebaiws, qa mporoyse h Ekklhsia, h opoia antidra kai epitiqetai se mia tetoia epilogh, na ajiopoihsei, metajy twn allwn, kai th dikastikh odo, prosfeygontas sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias h se alla organa ths xwras mas h ths E.E., prokeimenoy na diekdikhsei mia apofash yper twn apocewn ths. To apefyge kai oloi gnwrizete giati. Emeis, apo th dikh mas pleyra, epanalambanw, gnwrizoyme oti h epilogh sthn opoia exoyme proxwrhsei, einai orqh. Qewroyme pws den einai aytos o logos gia ton opoio h Ekklhsia anaptyssei, teleytaia, ayth th drasthriothta. Isws, einai mono h aformh. Alla, ayto kai pali dinei se oloys th dynatothta na bgaloyme ena kentriko symperasma: Oti epidiwketai -ayth einai h proqesh kai o pragmatikos stoxos apo thn pleyra ths Ekklhsias- enas rolos, o opoios einai jenos pros thn paradosh kai to oysiastiko periexomeno ths apostolhs ths.

FILHS: Se sxesh me thn apofash ths Commission, sas afhnei adiaforoys ayth h apofash;

REPPAS: Mas afhnei adiaforoys, me thn ennoia oti htan anamenomenh. Exoyme apolyth pepoiqhsh oti h epilogh mas einai orqh. Den anamename apo alloys na mas ypodeijoyn, ti einai ayto to opoio prepei na kanoyme. Proxwrhsame se ayth thn epilogh prin kan yparjei gnwmodothsh h apofash apo opoiodhpote organo ektos Elladas. Einai epilogh ths kybernhshs. Einai safhs kai paramenoyme atalanteyta se aythn.

KAPPOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti akoyte polloys isxyrismoys, toys opoioys parakoloyqeite me aporia kai problhmatismo. Qewreite oti aytoi oi isxyrismoi proerxontai apo thn Ekklhsia;

REPPAS: Den prokeitai na pagideytoyme se mia syzhthsh, h opoia ej antikeimenoy, pleon, dhmioyrgei plaisio synomilias, diapragmateyshs, antidikias Kybernhshs kai Ekklhsias. Akoysate ki eseis -opws oloi mas- diafora, ta opoia sxetizontai me th dhqen empneysh poy exoyme ws kybernhsh, na proxwrhsoyme, fer` eipein, se katarghsh toy stayroy poy feretai sthn ellhnikh shmaia kai se diafores alles epiloges, poy pragmatika den exoyn apasxolhsei thn kybernhsh kai den apoteloyn antikeimeno gia mas, sto plaisio toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Gnwrizete -mias kai miloyme syxnotata gia toys diakritoys roloys- oti gia qemata epi twn opoiwn thn apokleistikh armodiothta exei h Politeia kai h kybernhsh, pio sygkekrimena, den yparxoyn periqwria gia dialogo, o opoios qa exei kai to xarakthra diapragmateyshs, metajy kybernhshs kai ekproswpwn ths Ekklhsias. Ayto den qa ginei.

KAPPOS: Parakoloyqoyme thn Ekklhsia na ejelissetai oysiastika ston oionei antipoliteytiko polo, ayth th stigmh, sthn Ellada. Kapoioi alloi antipoliteytikoi poloi exoyn yposteilei tis shmaies, h Ekklhsia, omws, brisketai se mia fash eparshs twn shmaiwn. Qewreite oti einai symbath, ayth h drasthriothta me to politiko systhma ths xwras;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin se ayto kai htan safhs h apanthsh moy.

MPOYATAR: Yparxoyn merika qemata poy exoyn teqei apo ton k. Xristodoylo kai exoyn sxesh me thn prostasia twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn kai sta opoia exei anaferqei kai o k. Staqopoylos, p.x. gia to qrhskeytiko orko, gia ton politiko gamo k.l.p. Ayta ta qemata poy aforoyn thn Politeia, poy aforoyn to sebasmo twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn, pws qa antimetwpistoyn;

REPPAS: Ma, exoyn hdh antimetwpistei ayta ta qemata. To qema toy orkoy exei antimetwpistei. Gnwrizete oti oydeis ypoxrewnetai sto Dikasthrio h opoy alloy na dwsei orko sto Eyaggelio, an den einai dikh toy epilogh. Epishs, oydeis ypoxrewnetai na probei se politiko gamo. H dynatothta kai gia to ena kai gia to allo yparxei edw kai polla xronia sthn patrida mas.

MPOYATAR: O k. Staqopoylos den eixe pei gia katarghsh h gia kapoia allh ypoxrewsh.

REPPAS: Den antimetwpizoyme qema kaqierwshs, ws ypoxrewtikoy, toy politikoy gamoy. Exw apanthsei -kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres- oti den exei apasxolhsei thn kybernhsh tetoio zhthma. Gi ayto akribws milhsa gia ``senaria'' ta opoia sthrizontai sthn isxyrh fantasia kapoiwn kai mono kai den exoyn pragmatikh bash.

MOYRTZHS: Synista apopeira syntagmatikhs ektrophs ta osa dhlwse xqes o k. Xristodoylos kai eidika h emmonh toy sto qema twn taytothtwn kai h frash toy oti ``den qa perasei, giati qa anatrecei ta sxedia ths kybernhshs, o laos''.

REPPAS: Se mia dikaiokratoymenh Politeia oi nomoi prepei na ginontai sebastoi. H isonomia kai isopoliteia apoteloyn th bash gia eqnikh omocyxia. Ayth einai h politikh ths kybernhshs, thn opoia prepei oloi, epeidh einai swsth politikh, na th sebastoyn kai na poreyqoyn symmorfoymenoi se aytes tis arxes.

KWSTANTHS: H paroysia enos boyleyth toy kybernwntos kommatos sth xqesinh sygkentrwsh, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh; Qa lhfqoyn kapoia metra; Qa yparjei kapoia apagoreysh gia th sygkentrwsh ths Aqhnas gia na mhn epanalhfqei ayto to fainomeno;

REPPAS: Tipota apo ola ayta. Molis prin apanthsa se allh erwthsh, legontas pws sthn Ellada o kaqenas mporei eleyqera na diadidei tis apoceis toy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh elabe ypoch ths oti sth xqesinh sygkentrwsh ths Ekklhsias, endexomenws na yphrxan kai polites poy chfisan to PASOK;

REPPAS: Profanws, qa htan kai polites oi opoioi chfisan to PASOK. Den exei, omws, kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Emeis askoyme mia politikh me gnwmona to dhmosio symferon. Akoloyqoyme, kat` entolhn toy laoy, mia politikh, h opoia pisteyoyme oti eksygxronizei th xwra mas kai dhmioyrgei tis proypoqeseis gia peraiterw proodo kai beltiwsh twn synqhkwn ths zwhs twn politwn se ola ta epipeda. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, kaqe poliths einai eleyqeros na epilejei pws qa drasthriopoihqei sto plaisio ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs toy kai na staqmisei ola ta dedomena, prokeimenoy na chfisei, thn wra twn eklogwn, to komma ths dikhs toy epiloghs. Aytos einai o xarakthras ths dhmokratias.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ena tmhma toy laoy, omws, opws anagnwrisate prohgoymenws, profanws symmeteixe se ayth thn ekdhlwsh, diamartyromeno gia mia prajh ths kybernhshs@

REPPAS: Einai kati poy den to jerw. To qewrw, omws, piqanotato, profanes. Eseis kanete mia ypoqesh. Egw dexomai oti ayth h ypoqesh mporei na exei bash.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kanw ayth thn ypoqesh, gia na mh ``xarisw'' olo ayto ton kosmo se allo xwro h se allh paratajh.

REPPAS: Emeis, oyte diekdikoyme, oyte xarizoyme. Kai jerete, an synexisoyme ayth th syzhthsh qa ypeiselqoyme, pleon, sth dikaiodosia ths arxhs gia thn prostasia twn proswpikwn dedomenwn, giati qa katatajoyme se politikes kathgories toys polites poy symmetexoyn se mia sygkentrwsh. Kaqe poliths poy symmetexei se sygkentrwseis, exei tis politikes toy apoceis, ta fronhmata toy. Einai qema proswpiko.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kati diadikastiko: H kybernhsh mporei na chfisei nomo poy na ypoxrewnetai o poliths se politiko gamo, anejarthtws an anaqewrhqei to sygkekrimeno arqro toy Syntagmatos h oxi;

REPPAS: Apanthsa, molis prin, sthn k. Mpoyatar, poy moy ekane sxetikh erwthsh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eipate gia tis proqeseis se allo xwro. Milw typikws.

REPPAS: Htan safh ayta ta opoia eipa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qelw na me bohqhsete stis gnwseis moy, oxi gia tis proqeseis ths kybernhshs@

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti den antimetwpizoyme tetoio qema. Qelete na kanoyme mia syzhthsh epi th basei ypoqesewn;

PAPADOPOYLOS: H opoiadhpote kybernhsh, gia na to pame alloy, mporei na kanei ayto to nomo;

REPPAS: Egw milw ek meroys ths sygkekrimenhs kybernhshs. Sas lew oti den apotelei qema gia th sygkekrimenh kybernhsh, to qema ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh mhpws skeftetai na kanei mia ``antisygkentrwsh'' gia na deijei oti o laos @

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, an hsastan -apo thn arxh- sthn aiqoysa ayth, qa eixate akoysei na lew pws den yparxei periqwrio -ej orismoy den yparxei periqwrio- antidikias, antiparaqeshs Ekklhsias kai kybernhshs. Otidhpote, loipon, synista ``anti'', den mporei na exei sxesh me o,ti emeis qewroyme pws prepei na apotelei thn epikoinwnia, th synennohsh ths kybernhshs me toys ierarxes ths ellhnikhs Ekklhsias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati akomh: Mhpws maqate, giati katarghqhke o Eqnikos Ymnos kai h proseyxh apo thn ERT;

REPPAS: Exw zhthsei apo tis yphresies ths ERT na anaferoyn ta sxetika stoixeia kai qa ta plhroforhqeite ki eseis, qa maqoyme ki emeis, poia htan ta krithria twn epilogwn toys, giati gnwrizete poly kala pws pantote yparxei to dhmosiografiko krithrio kai h aytonomia -h opoia prepei na ginei sebasth- gia thn katartish twn programmatwn twn radiothleoptikwn meswn sth xwra mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis den erwthqhkate kaqoloy;

REPPAS: Asfalws, oxi. Den einai diko moy qema to pws katartizontai ta programmata. Einai kati poly peran twn armodiothtwn moy. Qa elega oti qa apoteloyse ypokatastash toy ergoy poy exoyme anaqesei se sygkekrimena stelexh.

FILHS: Sygnwmh, k. Ypoyrge. Tote giati qa rwthsete eseis tis armodies yphresies ths ERT giati katarghqhke o Eqnikos Ymnos kai h proseyxh;.

REPPAS: Giati prepei ws exwn thn eyqynh kai ypokeimenos ston koinoboyleytiko elegxo na apanthsw se synadelfoys moy. Qa toys diabibasw, loipon, thn apanthsh thn opoia qa qesoyn ypoch moy oi armodioi paragontes ths ERT. Exei teqei erwthsh apo boyleytes ths N.D.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, afoy thn perasmenh ebdomada mas eipate oti den isxyei h erwthsh. Twra, lete oti isxyei;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti symfwnhqhke na dinetai apanthsh gia kapoies erwthseis oi opoies katatiqentai, mexri mia orismenh hmeromhnia, mesa se ayto ton mhna. Kai ayto, para to oti eimaste se periodo leitoyrgias qerinwn tmhmatwn, epeidh h Olomeleia ths Boylhs diekoce tis ergasies ths, ayth thn periodo, poly pio nwris, se sxesh me alles koinoboyleytikes synodoys.

FILHS: Pote qa syzhthqei sth Boylh protash nomoy ths N.D. gia to qema twn taytothtwn; Exei prosdioristei kapoia hmeromhnia;

REPPAS: Den exei prosdioristei. Ayto apotelei qema to opoio qa antimetwpisei o Proedros ths Boylhs. Sth diaskech twn proedrwn, gnwrizete oti katartizetai h hmerhsia diatajh twn ergasiwn ths Boylhs. Den einai qema ths kybernhshs. Mporw, omws, na pw, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, pws h N.D. den exei safh politikh kai ideologikh fysiognwmia. Kai h prwtoboylia ths ayth to apodeiknyei. Giati, anazhtwntas na ktisei ena ideologiko kai politiko proswpo, katafeygei se tetoioy eidoys texnasmata, prokeimenoy na epidiwjei mikrokommatika ofelh, opws h idia nomizei.

Telika, ayto poy epitygxanei, kata th dikh mas apoch, einai na kaqista perissotero asafh th fysiognwmia ths. Anti, loipon, na epidiwjei na sygkrothsei ena programma kai sygxrones qeseis gia ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn th xwra kai to lao, h N.D. epididetai se ena ``kynhgi magisswn''. Prospaqei, dhladh, me diaforoys tropoys, kairoskopika, mikrokommatika, na antlhsei ofelh. Aparadekto ayto.

PARIS: Ayto to opoio fainetai oti exei ejorgisei perissotero ton Arxiepiskopo kai thn Ekklhsia, einai oti synanthqhke me ton k. Eyqymioy kai o k. Eyqymioy, prin apo thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Boylh, eixe pei oti to qema ``pagwnei'', oti yparxei kapoia synennohsh. Ek twn ysterwn, o Prwqypoyrgos ekane thn omilia sth Boylh kai ta pragmata, shmera, odhgoyntai se mia teleiws diaforetikh fash.

REPPAS: Exei kanei thn idia akribws erwthsh, prin apo arketes hmeres, o k. Stamatopoylos kai exw dwsei apanthsh. Sas parapempw se ayth.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Pote na perimenoyme thn topoqethsh twn triwn melwn ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn;

REPPAS: Qa prepei na chfistei to nomosxedio sth Boylh. Oloklhrwnetai, shmera, ektos aprooptoy, h syzhthsh. Efoson chfistei kai ginei nomos toy kratoys, qa anamenete to diorismo twn melwn, prokeimenoy na symplhrwqei h synqesh twn organwn aytwn. Eite ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs, h opoia apo 15melhs ginetai 17melhs, eite ths neas oionei Ektelestikhs Epitrophs poy dhmioyrgeitai, h opoia einai 5melhs.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Sas rwtaw, giati eixan pei oti prin fygei o Prwqypoyrgos gia th Lisabona, qa orisqoyn ta tria atoma.

REPPAS: Den jerw ti eixan pei kai se poioys anafereste. Opws pantote, apantwntas se sxetikes erwthseis, eipa kai epanalambanw to idio: chfizetai o nomos kai amesws meta proxwroyme sth stelexwsh twn Epitropwn aytwn.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Exoyme kati gia thn epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy ston Oikoymeniko Patriarxh; Estalh;

REPPAS: Pragmati, estalh, xqes, apanthtikh epistolh, h opoia hdh exei perielqei ston Oikoymeniko Patriarxh.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Giannopoyloy, o opoios eipe oti to syllalhthrio sthn Aqhna qa einai akomh megalytero apo ekeino ths Qessalonikhs.

REPPAS: Einai oi ektimhseis toy k. Giannopoyloy, oi opoies einai sebastes.

KAMPOYRAKHS: Exete kati na mas peite gia th synanthsh toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy me ton amerikano presbeyth sth xwra mas k. Mperns;

REPPAS: Pragmati, shmera to prwi, episkefqhke ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths xwras mas o Amerikanos presbhs sthn Aqhna, o opoios toy ejeqese pali toys problhmatismoys ths kybernhshs toy kai toy epanelabe th qesh, oti h kybernhsh twn HPA den qewrei oti prepei apo thn pleyra twn HPA na lhfqoyn kapoia metra, me aformh to teleytaio tromokratiko xtyphma sthn Ellada.

KAPPOS: Yparxoyn dyo diadikasies sthn Nea Yorkh. H prwth afora thn ananewsh ths qhteias ths UNFICYP sthn Kypro. Ekei meta bias apofeyxqhke mia sygkekrimenh diatypwsh h opoia peripoy nomimopoioyse tis arxes katoxhs. Kai deyteron, an exoyme eikona gia tis synomilies poy ginontai sth Nea Yorkh, anaforika me to onoma ths FYROM.

REPPAS: Oson afora to deytero qema, den yparxei opoiadhpote ejelijh, sto plaisio twn synomiliwn poy ginontai ekei, me thn paroysia toy k. Nimits, giati gnwrizete oti oi synomilies ginontai ypo thn aigida toy OHE.

Oson afora to prwto qema, gnwrizete poly kala oti paraleifqhke telikws ayto to perifhmo ``pararthma'', to chfisma to opoio ekdidetai. Me ayth thn ennoia, exoyme thn eykairia, gia mia akomh fora, na kanoyme safh kai kathgorhmatikh th qesh mas. Opws h kypriakh kybernhsh, etsi ki emeis, qa antitaxqoyme se kaqe prospaqeia, estw kai emmeshs anagnwrishs toy ceydokratoys.

PARIS: Anamenete na pame se kapoio symbibasmo me ton Kwnstantino;

REPPAS: Den yparxei opoiadhpote tetoia periptwsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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