Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-11-19

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19 Noembrioy 1999

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Ti prosdoka h kybernhsh liges wres prin tis kinhtopoihseis diamartyrias gia ton Proedro Klinton;

NIKOLAOY: Ayto poy pisteyei h kybernhsh einai oti oloi qa deijoyn thn aparaithth eyqynh kai pws ola qa kylhsoyn omala. Ta eipame polles fores, den xreiazetai na ta epanalambanoyme. O kaqenas sthn Ellada exei to dikaiwma diamartyrias kai ths kataqeshs ths gnwmhs toy. H Politeia exei thn eyqynh kai thn ypoxrewsh na diasfalisei to kyros kai to symferon ths xwras. Ayta ta dyo mporoyn na synyparjoyn kai anamenoyme na synyparjoyn kai na kylhsoyn ola omala.

MIXAHL: Ta pragmata den einai toso apla. H Astynomikh Dieyqynsh exei bgalei mia anakoinwsh me th symfwnh gnwmh ths politikhs hgesias toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs, h opoia leei oti mexri enos shmeioy qa epitrapei h poreia. Poio shmeio qa einai ayto qa kaqoristei apo ta pragmata, isws einai h Boylh, h Rhgillhs, to Syntagma. To zhthma einai, otan breqoyn proswpo me proswpo oi diadhlwtes me ta organa ths tajews, ta opoia lambanoyn entoles apo thn politikh hgesia, poies entoles exoyn doqei;

NIKOLAOY: Sas parapempw sth dhlwsh poy ekane shmera sth Boylh o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs k. Xrysoxoidhs. Eipe sxetika pws se oti thn afora, h Astynomia den exei thn proqesh, oyte qa to prajei, na aggijei kapoion polith, oyte na dhmioyrghsei problhmata. H Astynomia perifroyrei thn tajh. Tipota parapanw. Alla, qa elega oti h syzhthsh den qa prepei na diejagetai, ayth thn wra, ws syzhthsh anamonhs kapoiwn sygkroysewn, alla me thn elpida mias omalhs ejelijhs. Mporei oloi na ekfrasoyn th diamartyria toys kai na diatranwsoyn thn pepoiqhsh toys -opoia ki an einai ayth- kai, taytoxrona, na yparjei omalh ejelijh ths episkechs toy Proedroy Klinton. Mporoyn na yparjoyn kai ta dyo. Ayth einai h pepoiqhsh mas apo thn prwth stigmh.

MIXAHL: Makria apo mas tetoia anamonh. Sas rwtw me afethria kati to opoio einai gnwsto, oti to KKE, akoma kai twra liges wres prin, diatranwnei oti h poreia poy diorganwnei qa paei sthn amerikanikh presbeia. Kai otan toys qeteis to erwthma "pws qa pate", h apanthsh einai "qa pame perpatwntas, opws pame kaqe fora".

NIKOLAOY: Epanalambanoyme thn elpida, thn pepoiqhsh mas oti qa yparjei h aparaithth politikh wrimothta kai eyqynh, etsi wste ola -aytes tis hmeres- na kylhsoyn omala.

ARGYROS: Exei oloklhrwqei to epishmo programma, kai an nai, pote qa anakoinwqei;

NIKOLAOY: Nomizw oti sas einai gnwsto to programma.

ARGYROS: Oyte to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn to exei, oyte h eqimotypia. Mas lene, argotera.

NIKOLAOY: Oti afora tis kinhseis kai tis synanthseis toy Proedroy Klinton einai gnwsto. Den yparxei kapoio shmeio ths episkechs poy na einai adieykrinisto, kaq` osa gnwrizw.

ARGYROS: Qa episkefqei ayrio thn Akropolh; Rwtw giati yparxei keno sto programma toy.

NIKOLAOY: Den exoyme kati tetoio ypoch mas. Den nomizw oti yparxei kapoio shmeio poy na einai adieykrinisto.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Oson afora thn oysia twn synomiliwn poy qa ginoyn ayrio, oi plhrofories lene oti pame gia thn ypografh triwn symfwniwn: Pneymatika dikaiwmata, prostasia apo fysikes katastrofes kai toyrismos kai dyo koines anakoinwseis gia th synergasia sta Balkania kai thn astynomikh synergasia. Alhqeyoyn ayta;. Yparxoyn, epishs, plhrofories oti dyo qema, to qema toy proswpikoy twn basewn kai ths astynomikhs synergasias, exoyn "kollhsei". Poy briskontai ayta;

NIKOLAOY: Oson afora to prwto erwthma sas, menoyme sta osa eipe o Ypoyrgos k. Reppas, apo ayto edw to bhma, prin apo merikes hmeres. H apanthsh einai kai shmera h idia. Den yparxei kati neotero. Thn protash mas th gnwrizete, se oti afora to qema ths ypografhs twn symfwniwn.

BITALHS: Dhladh, oi treis prwtes, gia toyrismo kai fysikes katastrofes, isxyei oti qa ypografoyn;

NIKOLAOY: Yparxoyn polla pragmata, ta opoia exoyn syzhthqei me thn amerikanikh pleyra. Qa anakoinwqoyn kata to diasthma ths episkechs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den yparxei atzenta syzhthsewn;

NIKOLAOY: Allo qema h atzenta syzhthsewn kai allo h ypografh symfwniwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Atzenta syzhthsewn yparxei;

NIKOLAOY: Bebaiws yparxei. Ola ta qemata ths perioxhs mas kai oi ellhnoamerikanikes sxeseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mono oi ellhnoamerikanikes sxeseis;

NIKOLAOY: O Prwqypoyrgos me ton Proedro twn HPA qa synanthqei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mono ayto qa syzhthsoyn;

NIKOLAOY: Eipa oti qa syzhthsoyn ola ta qemata poy aforoyn thn perioxh mas kai tis ellhnoamerikanikes sxeseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, "paketo";

NIKOLAOY: Den yparxei paketo. Yparxoyn polla qemata. Kai ola ta qemata syzhtoyntai. Otan syzhtas me ton Proedro twn HPA, syzhtas ta qemata poy aforoyn thn perioxh kai, bebaiws, tis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Oson afora thn astynomikh synergasia kai to proswpiko twn basewn, ti ginetai;

NIKOLAOY: To qema gia to proswpiko twn basewn syzhteitai. Den einai qema symfwnias. Gia thn astynomikh synergasia sas edwsa apanthsh ligo prin.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Einai mesa dhladh;

NIKOLAOY: Oxi. Den eipa oti einai mesa. Kai to lew ayto gia na mhn exoyme parermhneies. Sas eipa oti den exoyme tipota neotero na poyme ayth th stigmh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia thn tromokratia exete na peite kati;

NIKOLAOY: Exoyme apanthsei ep` aytoy. Emeis den skopeyoyme, oyte qeloyme na ypogracoyme mia jexwristh symfwnia gi ayto to qema.

FILHS: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos ths Toyrkias k. Etzebit me mia ypekfygh poy ekane ebale to Kypriako sto rafi. Thn idia stigmh, symptwmatika, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos epeleje na tropopoihsei thn pagia ellhnikh qesh poy synedee thn entajh ths Toyrkias sthn E. E. me thn epilysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos. Qa hqela na moy peite poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Synexizei na syndeei thn eyrwpaikh poreia ths Toyrkias me thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy h ta aposyndeei kata th logikh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy;

NIKOLAOY: Ayto poy eipe o k. Tsioxatzopoylos den apotelei kainoyrgia qesh. Einai gnwsth h qesh ayth kai exei diatypwqei polles fores. Den prokeitai gia kati kainoyrgio. Den exei allajei tipota se oti afora thn ellhnikh proseggish sto qema. Den yparxei kapoio kainoyrgio dedomeno. Allwste, o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, ekane ekteneis dhlwseis kai ejhghse ta qemata ayta me kaqe dynath leptomereia. Den yparxei kapoia allagh politikhs.

FILHS: Dhladh, h ellhnikh kybernhsh synexizei, h ellhnikh taktikh paramenei pws h poreia entajhs ths Toyrkias sthn E. E. syndeetai kaqoristika me thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy;.

NIKOLAOY: Den yparxei kamia allagh politikhs.

FILHS: Apanthste mas "nai" h "oxi".

NIKOLAOY: Qa apanthsw opws qelw egw. Egw den sas lew me poion tropo qa rwthsete! Epanalambanw, loipon, oti den yparxei kamia allagh sthn politikh ths kybernhshs.

PAPAXRHSTOS: O k. Etzebit eipe xqes oti kaneis sthn Toyrkia den exei edafikes bleceis se baros ths Elladas. Jerete an sth diarkeia twn synomiliwn o Prwqypoyrgos eqese to qema twn "gkrizwn zwnwn";

NIKOLAOY: Den to gnwrizw.

PAPAXRHSTOS: Kalyptei thn kybernhsh h dhlwsh toy k. Etzebit se sxesh me tis diatypoymenes ajiwseis sxetika me "gkrizes zwnes";

NIKOLAOY: Exete th xqesinh synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, sth diarkeia ths opoias apanthse se mia paraplhsia -gia na mhn pw akribws idia- erwthsh kai den xreiazetai na thn epanalabw. O Prwqypoyrgos exei dwsei safeis apanthseis, htan poly analytikos kai exei kalycei kai ayto to qema.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti den yparxei kamia allagh sthn politikh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai oti h dhlwsh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy entassetai se ayth thn politikh. Mhpws qa mporoysate na moy peite pote o k. Shmiths h allos kybernhtikos ajiwmatoyxos eipan ayto poy eipe xqes o k. Tsoxatzopoylos;

NIKOLAOY: An me rwtate gia hmeromhnies, ayth th stigmh, den tis exw ypoch moy.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Den qelw hmeromhnies. Rwtw an kapoia stigmh kapoios, o Prwqypoyrgos h kapoios allos eipe ayto poy eipe o k. Tsoxatzopoylos xqes. Egw proswpika den qymamai na exei eipwqei.

NIKOLAOY: Aphnthsa oti ayto poy eipe xqes o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, einai oi gnwstes kai pagies qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

FILHS: Xqes, sxoliazontas thn protash toy k. Alabanoy, na epidoqei chfisma apo omada boyleytwn kai eyrwboyleytwn ston Amerikano Proedro, kanate orismenoys xarakthrismoys gia mikropolitikh, aneyqynothta klp. O k. Skandalidhs, o Grammateas ths K. E. toy PASOK, ejexon stelexos toy PASOK, fainetai oti den symmerizetai th qesh ayth. O k. Skandalidhs poy -opws jeroyme- ekfrazei th gnwmh toy kommatos kai oxi aplws mia proswpikh gnwmh, eipe oti qa syzhthsei thn protash toy k. Alabanoy giati thn qewrei epoikodomhtikh. Ti na pistecoyme telika; Th qesh toy k. Skandalidh h th dikh sas qesh;

NIKOLAOY: Egw jerw oti h cyxh toy PASOK einai megalh kai oti den yparxei mia. Yparxoyn... efta allwste. Qa sas pw omws to ejhs, giati ki egw diapistwsa, xqes to brady, oti to sxolio moy ermhneythke apo orismenoys, ws apanthsh sthn proqesh toy k. Alabanoy na epidoqei ena chfisma, enw den htan etsi. Egw den rwthqhka pws sxoliazw thn proqesh toy k. Alabanoy na paei na epidwsei ena chfisma. Ayto einai anafaireto dikaiwma sto telos-telos opoioydhpote Ellhna polith kai poly perissotero boyleytwn kai eyrwboyleytwn. Synepws den rwthqhka gi ayto...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayth htan h protash toy k. Alabanoy.

NIKOLAOY: Opws jerete, apo thn makroxronh empeiria sas edw, o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos apanta se sygkekrimenes erwthseis. Kai h sygkekrimenh erwthsh poy dexthka -kai pros epibebaiwsh mporeite na anatrejete sto xqesino briefing- htan "ti qa kanei h kybernhsh, an kapoioi boyleytes h eyrwboyleytes, me bash thn protash toy k. Alabanoy, parabiasoyn ton astynomiko kloio". S` ayth thn erwthsh, apanthsa. Den aphnthsa se erwthsh gia proqesh epidoshs chfismatos. An kapoios exei thn proqesh na dwsei ena chfisma sthn amerikanikh presbeia, na to dwsei. Den yparxei kanena problhma se ayto. Aphnthsa sthn proqesh kai thn xarakthrisa mikropolitikh kai epanalambanw ayton ton xarakthrismo. Otan exoyme sygkekrimena metra asfaleias kai otan exoyme dhlwmenh thn proqesh ths kybernhshs na proaspisei thn episkech toy k. Klinton, qa prepei na eimaste pio ypeyqynoi kai na mhn katafeygoyme se mikropolitikes poy exoyn skopo na dhmioyrghsoyn entypwseis. Ara, loipon, blepete oti se ayta poy eipa egw me ayta poy eipe o k. Skandalidhs, den yparxei kamia diafora.

FILHS: Qelw na rwthsw an shmera kapoioi diakekrimenoi sympolites mas, oxi aploi polites, dhladh h Proedros ths GSEE, o Proedros ths OLME, boyleytes, eyrwboyleytes, dhmarxoi klp. qelhsoyn na pane na epidwsoyn chfisma sthn amerikanikh presbeia, qa toys epitrapei;

NIKOLAOY: Emeis den dexomaste katarxhn oti peran toy boyleytwn kai twn eyrwboyleytwn poy exoyn ena eidiko kaqestws, yparxoyn alloi polites poy einai pio diakekrimenoi apo ton meso polith se oti afora ta dikaiwmata toys.

FILHS: Tote menoyme stoys boyleytes kai eyrwboyleytes poy exoyn mia syntagmatikh katoxyrwsh gia tis kinhtikes prwtoboylies. Qa epitrecete na paei mia antiproswpeia, polyplhqhs an einai polloi, oligomelhs an einai ligoi, na perasei ton astynomiko kloio kai na epidwsei to chfisma diamartyrias twn sygkentrwmenwn politwn pros thn amerikanikh presbeia;

NIKOLAOY: Den gnwrizoyme kapoia tetoia proqesh. Ton mono sxetiko poy akoysa einai ayto poy syzhthsame xqes kai qesate kai eseis ligo prin kai einai h protash toy k. Alabanoy. Den exw antilhfqei apo kapoion allo na exei ekdhlwsei tetoia proqesh.

FILHS: Poia einai h entolh poy exei doqei sta astynomika organa;

NIKOLAOY: Qa doqei entolh xwris na yparxei ekdhlwsh proqeshs;

FILHS: Den yparxei problech;

NIKOLAOY: Afhste to an yparxei h den yparxei problech. Otan den yparxei proqesh, den ekdideis kai entolh.

FILHS: Einai politiko qema.

NIKOLAOY: Epanalambanw oti politiko qema einai an dhmioyrghqei, an den dhmioyrghqei einai anyparkto kai synepws den einai kai politiko qema. Apantw, loipon, oti den gnwrizw na yparxei tetoia proqesh, opws eseis thn kataqetete.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Se oti afora th xqesinh synomilia twn k. Shmith kai Etzebit, yparxei rhth desmeysh ths Agkyras gia prosfygh sth Xagh, an yparjei dialogos gia thn yfalokrhpida. Kai an qa yparjei dialogos pws sxediazei h kybernhsh na diejaxqei aytos, se epipedo empeirognwmonwn h se kaqara politiko epipedo kai se ti baqmida qa ginei; Se epipedo ypoyrgwn...

NIKOLAOY: Qa sas apanthsw kai pali stereotypa. Gia ola ayta ta qemata apanthse xqes o Prwqypoyrgos. Apanthse kai se tetoia erwthsh. Kai htan kai s` ayto poly analytikos. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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