Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-10-23

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23 Oktwbrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase, shmera, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me antikeimeno syzhthshs tis kateyqynseis ths oikonomikhs politikhs kai ton Proypologismo toy neoy etoys. Gia to qema ayto exei kanei dhlwseis o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Papantwnioy. Den exw na prosqesw kati. Apla sas epishmainw oti -opws exoyme hdh pei- sto telos Dekembrioy 1999 prepei na exoyme petyxei oloys toys stoxoys, oson afora ta basika megeqh, basei twn opoiwn qa kriqoyme gia thn entajh mas sthn ONE. Ayto shmainei oti o Proypologismos toy 1999, einai o Proypologismos toy teleytaioy etoys entos toy opoioy qa prepei na exoyme oloklhrwsei me epityxia thn prospaqeia gia thn entajh sthn ONE. Den yparxoyn alla xronika periqwria. Me ayth thn ennoia, o Proypologismos aytos qa apotelesei to epistegasma h thn katalhjh mias prospaqeias arketwn etwn, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme to megalo ayto stoxo. Einai enas Proypologismos, oxi apla sygklishs, alla Proypologismos entajhs sthn ONE.

Symfwnhsame, loipon, stis genikes kateyqynseis ths oikonomikhs politikhs, opws kai sto plaisio toy Proypologismoy. Oi leptomereies qa syzhthqoyn kai qa apofasistoyn sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me thn kataqesh toy Proypologismoy. Apo ekei kai pera mporw na pw oti einai xarakthristiko -kai menw se ayto- oti, metajy twn allwn, apofasisthke na proxwrhsoyme se meiwsh emmeswn forwn, poy shmainei apwleia dhmosiwn esodwn ths tajhs twn 180 dis draxmwn, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme enan apo toys dyskoloys stoxoys poy prepei na epityxoyme akomh: thn tiqaseysh toy plhqwrismoy. Pisteyoyme oti qa ta kataferoyme.

Gnwrizete poly kala oti h antiplhqwristikh politikh exei polles ekfanseis. Einai se ejelijh h diadikasia "symfwnias kyriwn", opws onomazetai metajy toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs kai twn diaforwn paragwgikwn tajewn kai kladwn gia th meiwsh twn timwn.

Emeis apo thn pleyra mas exoyme anakoinwsei oti, sto plaisio ayths ths politikhs den prokeitai, entos toy 1999, na ayjhqoyn ta timologia twn DEKO. Kai, bebaia, prepei na labete ypoch sas oti to programma dhmosiwn ependysewn qa ayjhqei shmantika, qeamatika thn epomenh xronia (peripoy kata 400 dis draxmes), prokeimenoy na dwsoyme mia nea anaptyjiakh wqhsh sthn prospaqeia ayth ki etsi kai di aytoy toy tropoy na epityxoyme toys stoxoys mas.

* Opws gnwrizete ayrio kai meqayrio pragmatopoieitai sto Portschach ths Aystrias h ektakth Synodos Koryfhs poy organwnei h Aystriakh Proedria. Oi synadelfoi sas tajideyoyn hdh. Emeis, me epikefalhs ton Prwqypoyrgo, anaxwroyme ayrio to prwi.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

FASOYLAS: O Prwqypoyrgos prokeitai na kataqesei kapoio mnhmonio sth Synodo ayth; Kai an nai ti periexei ayto to mnhmonio;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti h Synodos Koryfhs qa asxolhqei me ta qemata toy mellontos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enopoihshs kai ths prooptikhs ths. O Prwqypoyrgos, sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn aytwn, protiqetai na kataqesei ena mnhmonio, ena keimeno "piloto" gia tis mellontikes eyrwpaikes ejelijeis, to opoio qa apanta sta erwthmata poy exoyn prokycei gia to ti qa ginei meta thn entajh kai ths Elladas, alla kai toy synoloy twn allwn xwrwn sthn ONE. Pws, dhladh, h perifhmh ayth ONE qa antapokriqei stis prosdokies twn lawn. To keimeno ayto, to opoio epejergasthke o Prwqypoyrgos, apotelei th dikh toy symbolh ston problhmatismo poy anaptyssetai se oloklhrh thn Eyrwph gia to mellon ths. Kai pisteyoyme oti ston tomea ayto o Prwqypoyrgos, opws kai alles fores exei deijei, qa anoijei ena neo dromo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na kanw mia erwthsh sxetika me osa eipate gia ton Proypologismo. Milhsate gia meiwseis 180 dis draxmwn. Poies einai aytes kai apo poy qa kalyfqoyn;

REPPAS: Milhsa gia mia tajh megeqoys. Den milhsa gia to megeqos, epakribws. Kai parakalw na to labete ypoch sas gia na mhn klhqoyme ek twn ysterwn na "apologhqoyme" gia to oti oi meiwseis aytes exoyn ycos kata ti megalytero h kata ti mikrotero. Ayto to dieykrinizw. Apo ekei kai pera, me th syzhthsh sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gia thn kataqesh toy Proypologismoy qa prosdioristei kai h diarqrwsh twn emmeswn forwn poy qa meiwqoyn. Exoyme ena geniko prosanatolismo. H syzhthsh ayth einai se ejelijh. Qa laboyme thn telikh apofash mas, afoy ajiopoihsoyme ola ta stoixeia ta opoia einai diaqesima.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo poy qa kalyfqoyn, den eipate.

REPPAS: Eipame oti qa exoyme mia ayjhsh twn dhmosiwn ependysewn. Prosdokoyme oti qa exoyme mia fysiologikh ayjhsh twn esodwn, opws prokyptei kaqe xrono. Kai, en pash periptwsei, mporoyme na antimetwpisoyme ayto to kostos, epeidh pisteyoyme oti oi anaptyjiakes h oi paragwgikes drasthriothtes qa mporesoyn, se shmantiko baqmo, na antistaqmisoyn ayth thn apwleia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes, eixame ena "mparaz" aeromaxiwn kai parabiasewn toy enaerioy xwroy. Ti sxolio kanei h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Pragmati, xqes, alla kai shmera, dystyxws, h Toyrkia anaptyssei mia drasthriothta sthn perioxh toy Notioanatolikoy Aigaioy, h opoia kaqe allo para deixnei diaqesh na symmorfwqei me toys dieqneis kanones. Toyrkika maxhtika aeroskafh, se polles periptwseis, parabainoyn toys kanones enaerias kykloforias, eiserxomena sto FIR Aqhnwn, xwris prohgoymenws na zhtoyn kai na pairnoyn thn adeia apo tis armodies yphresies. Einai mia taktikh thn opoia akoloyqei h Toyrkia. Pisteyoyme, oti h ejarsh toy fainomenoy tis hmeres aytes sxetizetai, apolyta, me th diejagwgh twn askhsewn "NIKHFOROS-TOJOTHS". Me thn eykairia poy moy dinei h erwthsh sas, prepei na pw oti h efarmogh toy Dogmatos toy Eniaioy Amyntikoy Xwroy (EAX), sthn opoia exoyme proxwrhsei, thn teleytaia periodo, metajy twn allwn synepagetai kai kapoio "kostos". Qa prepei na doyme sto qema ayto, ths politikhs mas, dhladh, ston tomea ths synergasias Elladas-Kyproy polles alles parametroys. Giati, bebaiws, para polloi, me eykolo kai syxna epipolaio tropo, syzhtoyn gia ta eqnika qemata h ta qemata ejwterikhs kai amyntikhs politikhs, xwris na lambanoyn ypoch toys poies einai oi synepeies, oi opoies dhmioyrgoyntai, otan kaneis kapoias morfhs epiloges, poy einai aparaithtes, prokeimenoy na enisxyseis thn amyna soy kai na diasfaliseis ta eqnika symferonta soy, alla prepei na eisai etoimos na antimetwpiseis ola ta endexomena, ta opoia, metajy twn allwn, perilambanoyn kai mia tetoia proklhtikh symperifora apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias. Einai adikaiologhth ayth h epiqetikh stash ths Toyrkias, h opoia yponomeyei kaqe prospaqeia poy exei ginei, mexri twra, gia thn proseggish kai ejomalynsh twn sxesewn twn dyo xwrwn. Pisteyoyme oti h stash ayth ths Toyrkias, gia thn opoia h Ellada enhmerwnei to dieqnh paragonta, qa ajiologhqei arnhtika kai qa exei epiptwseis, oson afora ton tropo me ton opoio antimetwpizei thn Toyrkia o dieqnhs paragontas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mexri twra se poies energeies exei probei h Ellada; Diabhmata exoyn ginei;

REPPAS: H Ellada exei katagracei ola ayta ta stoixeia kai enhmerwnontai oi armodies yphresies, prokeimenoy na proboyn se oles tis aparaithtes energeies. Gnwrizete oti ta stoixeia ayta katagrafontai apo ta Epiteleia ths Eqnikhs Amynas, prowqoyntai stis armodies yphresies toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn kai mesw ths diplwmatikhs odoy ajiopoioyntai diplwmatika kai politika. Ayto qa ginei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Kai prepei na sas pw oti exei epideixqei mia eyaisqhsia apo to dieqnh paragonta ston tropo me ton opoio symperiferetai kai antidra h Toyrkia. Kai nomizw oti oi dysmeneis synepeies gia thn Toyrkia, par` olo oti den einai panta orates h den einai toso dysmeneis gi` ayth, oso qa eprepe na einai, logw akribws ths symperiforas ths, den payoyn na yparxoyn.

KONTOPOYLOS: Diatypwqhkan diaforetikes apoceis sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, apo poioys kai gia poia qemata;

REPPAS: Den diatypwqhkan diaforetikes apoceis. Mporw na pw oti diatypwqhkan diafores apoceis, oi opoies exoyn koino stoxo na epityxoyme ola ta megeqh, kyriws thn apoklimakwsh toy plhqwrismoy sto epiqymhto megeqos, kata to telos Dekembrioy toy 1999, prokeimenoy na ekplhrwsoyme ta krithria poy problepontai apo th Synqhkh toy Maastrixt kai na entaxqoyme sthn Oikonomikh kai Nomismatikh Enwsh. Oi proseggiseis, oi opoies ginontai sto plaisio aytwn twn syzhthsewn, exoyn th sfragida toy kaqe meloys poy symmetexei se ena tetoio organo. Den shmainoyn, omws, se kamia periptwsh, apoklish h diafwnia. Shmainoyn prospaqeia mesw enos problhmatismoy, na symbaloyme sthn antimetwpish toy koinoy qematos. Eimaste taytismenoi sthn epiteyjh aytwn twn stoxwn gia thn entajh sthn ONE, gia thn epiteyjh twn stoxwn poy exoyme qesei sto telos toy Dekembrioy toy 1999 kai bebaiws, gia th systrateysh olwn mas, prokeimenoy, sthn proqesmia ayth, na exoyme epityxei toys stoxoys mas.

KONTOPOYLOS: H ka Papandreoy epanhlqe sto qema ths meiwshs toy FPA kai sth diafora poy eixe me ton k. Papantwnioy;

REPPAS: Exoyn teqei diafores apoceis gia to qema ayto. Eipa kai prin, apantwntas se sxetikh erwthsh, oti qa prosdioristei akribws to pws diarqrwnetai ayth h meiwsh twn emmeswn forwn, otan erqei to qema sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, gia na laboyme thn telikh apofash.

FILHS: Pote qa yparjei telikh egkrish toy apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio;

REPPAS: Proqesh mas einai, para to oti problepetai pws mexri teloys Noembrioy prepei na katateqei o Proypologismos, na proxwrhsoyme sthn kataqesh toy peri ta mesa Noembrioy. Ayto shmainei oti se peripoy 20 hmeres apo shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio qa syzhthsei, gia na labei thn telikh apofash.

FILHS: Qa ginei Kybernhtikh Epitroph gia to qema ayto jana;

REPPAS: Oxi. Qa syzhthsei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, opws ginetai se aytes tis periptwseis.

KIAOS: Mhpws mporeite na prosdiorisete kapoioys ajones h kapoies apoceis, gia thn akoloyqhtea politikh poy eipe o k. Papantwnioy h h ka Papandreoy h o k. Laliwths h o k. Arsenhs;

REPPAS: Milhsan ola ta melh ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs.

KIAOS: Sygkekrimena pragmata, an mporeite na mas peite: Na ginei ayto ws pros thn akoloyqhtea politikh h na mhn ginei ekeino.

REPPAS: Den einai skopimo, ayth thn wra, na anaferqw me leptomereies sto ti eipe kaqe melos ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, giati yparxei o kindynos na metaferw kata tropo poy den einai orqos tis apoceis toy. Ayto to opoio, omws, apotelei koino plaisio kai bash einai h prospaqeia olwn na epityxoyme thn apoklimakwsh toy plhqwrismoy sto epiqymhto epipedo kai h ajiopoihsh olwn twn meswn poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas gia na petyxoyme ayto to stoxo. Prepei na sas pw oti h syzhthsh h opoia egine, afora to synolo ths oikonomikhs politikhs. Den perioristhke mono sto qema toy Proypologismoy. Syzhthsame gia tis kateyqynseis ths oikonomikhs politikhs, enocei toy 1999. Kai taytizomaste sto plaisio h sth bash gia thn politikh ayth. Leptomereies, ayth thn wra, den einai eykolo na sas metaferw. Den qewrw skopimo na sas metaferw.

KIAOS: Epimenw sto ejhs: O stoxos, entajei. Symfwnoyn oloi na petyxoyme toys stoxoys mas poy einai enas, dyo treis. O dromos poy odhgei s` ayto to stoxo -poy opws eipate yparxoyn diafores apoceis- poios einai;

REPPAS: Oloi symfwnoyn sto oti, metajy twn allwn, qa prepei na proxwrhsoyme kai sth meiwsh twn emmeswn forwn. Yparxoyn ki alles meqodoi oi opoies kai aytes ajiopoioyntai. Milhsa gi` aytes. Sto plaisio ths antiplhqwristikhs politikhs mas exoyme polles dynatothtes.

KIAOS: Poioi alloi Ypoyrgoi eixan klhqei kai phran meros;

REPPAS: Ola ta melh ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs.

KIAOS: Ektos apo ta melh ths K. E. eklhqhsan kai alloi!

REPPAS: Logiko einai na symmetexoyn ola ta stelexh poy anhkoyn sto oikonomiko epiteleio ths Kybernhshs, opws to onomazoyme, para to oti den einai typika melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Kai milw gia toys Yfypoyrgoys toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Oikonomias, ektos toy k. Mpalta, poy asxoleitai me ta qemata toy ejwterikoy emporioy. Symmeteixan, dhladh, o k. Paxtas, o k. Drys kai o k. Xristodoylakhs, opws epishs kai o Yfypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Xrysoxoidh, poy asxoleitai me ta qemata Emporioy. Epishs, symmeteixe sth synedriash, opws gnwrizete, o Dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados o k. Papadhmos, o opoios kai aytos phre to logo.

KOGIANNHS: Den egine, shmera, kaqoloy syzhthsh gia to poia agaqa qa afora h meiwsh twn emmeswn forwn h egine kai den yphrje symfwnia kai gi` ayto pame sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio;

REPPAS: Oi syzhthseis poy eginan gia th meiwsh twn emmeswn forwn anaferqhkan kai se sygkekrimena agaqa. Yparxei symptwsh, taytish twn apocewn gia thn anagkh ths meiwshs twn forwn s` ayta ta agaqa. Yparxei, omws, mia tetoia proseggish sto sygkekrimeno qema apo kaqe enan poy phre to logo, h opoia epiballei na melethqei akomh perissotero ayto to qema kai na paroyme thn telikh apofash mas, afoy paroyme ypoch mas ola ta dedomena. Xrhsimopoiwntas, dhladh kai ta statistika stoixeia, ta opoia qa exoyme sth diaqesh mas, prokeimenoy na oloklhrwsoyme ayth th meleth kai na einai poly pio ypeyqynh h apofash mas.

FILHS: Epeidh to qema ths diaforetikhs proseggishs -h opws qelete peste to- metajy twn dyo koryfaiwn Ypoyrgwn, toy k. Papantwnioy kai ths kas Papandreoy, exei teqei jana pro 20 hmerwn se kapoia syskech ypo thn Proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai tote eixe anateqei stoys armodioys na yparjei mia meleth gia thn protash ths kas Papandreoy. Shmera, paroysiasthkan stoixeia ayths ths meleths; Yphrje meleth ths protashs ths kas Papandreoy apo to kybernhtiko epiteleio;

REPPAS: Apotelesma ayths ths meleths h ayths ths synergasias twn oikonomikwn Ypoyrgwn kai Yfypoyrgwn, yphrje akribws ayto poy apotelei -opws to onomasa prin- plaisio kai bash gia thn kateyqynsh ths oikonomikhs politikhs, gia thn katartish toy Proypologismoy toy epomenoy etoys. Ayto einai to apotelesma ths meleths. Kai bebaiws, gia ola ayta ta qemata qa apofasisoyme, otan erqei h wra, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

FILHS: Erwtw ean oi armodioi na melethsoyn thn protash ths kas Papandreoy, opws eixe pei tote o Prwqypoyrgos, eferan shmera kapoia meleth, kai ti leei ayth h meleth;

REPPAS: Gi` ayto, akribws, eipa oti ws apotelesma ayths ths synergasias proekyce ayto to plaisio, ayth h bash, h opoia mas briskei oloys symfwnoys.

FILHS: Sth synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs diatypwqhke apo kapoion protash na epiblhqei ektakth forologia se megales kerdofores epixeirhseis;

REPPAS: Den apasxolhse thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph tetoio qema. Gnwrizete oti h Kybernhsh exei hdh katasthsei safes oti den thn apasxoloyn qemata forologikhs politikhs, den thn apasxoloyn sto plaisio enos neoy forologikoy nomosxedioy. Katesth kai pali safes oti h Kybernhsh den protiqetai na proxwrhsei sthn kataqesh forologikoy nomosxedioy kata to epomeno etos.

KIAOS: Metedoqhsan apo radiofwna kapoia pragmata sxetika me dolofonia h, en pash periptwsei, skotwqhke apo pistoli h peristrofo astynomikoy enas Serbos 16 xronwn, kai malista toyristas, sth Qessalonikh. Pws exei to pragma;

REPPAS: Einai ena lyphro gegonos to opoio mas qlibei. Qa sas metaferw tis plhrofories poy exw mexri stigmhs, epishmainontas sas oti h katastash, ayth thn wra, fainetai oti den einai apolytws safhs. Ta stoixeia poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas anaferoyn oti mia gynaika kalese thn Amesh Drash, tis dynameis ths Astynomias, prokeimenoy na syllaboyn kapoioys poy apopeiraqhkan na th lhstecoyn. Otan efqasan ekei oi andres ths eidikhs dynamhs, h gynaika ypedeije mia sygkekrimenh omada newn anqrwpwn, toys opoioys kathggeile ws drastes ths epiqeshs enantion ths. Sthn prospaqeia ths omadas ayths twn astynomikwn na toys qesoyn katw apo elegxo, eixame ayto to atyxhma. Kapoio oplo ekpyrsokrothse h xrhsimopoihqhke kata tetoio tropo wste na proklhqei ayto to atyxhma. Lypoymaste gi ayto. Bebaiws, exei jekinhsei amesws, apo thn idia stigmh, afoy exei epilhfqei Eisaggeleas, dikastikh ereyna kai oxi mono dioikhtikh sto plaisio ths Astynomias, prokeimenoy na aposafhnistoyn oi synqhkes entos twn opoiwn egine to tragiko ayto gegonos.

KIAOS: Hqela na sas rwthsw, alla afoy den jerete akomh tipota...

REPPAS: Sas anefera ola osa exoyme sth diaqesh mas.

KIAOS: Epeidh ekfrasate th lyph sas, paei na pei oti skotwqhke enas anqrwpos apo enan astynomiko, o opoios shkwse to oplo kai xtyphse.

REPPAS: Den eipa ayto. Ejefrasa th lyph moy gia thn apwleia zwhs enos synanqrwpoy mas. Gi` ayto, gia thn apwleia mias zwhs, ekfrazw th lyph moy. Twra to pws xaqhke ayth h zwh einai kati gia to opoio qa apofanqei h dikastikh ereyna, h opoia hdh jekinhse. Kai parakalw na perimenoyme to porisma ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Hqela na rwthsw ean exei ginei prosfygh ths Elladas sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio gia thn apofash ths Commission;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti gia to qema ayto den exei lhfqei apofash ths E. E. Oi apofaseis lambanontai apo to Symboylio Ypoyrgwn. To qema ayto den exei erqei akomh sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn twn xwrwn-melwn ths E. E. Ara, loipon, prin yparjei apofash ths E. E. oydeis mporei na analabei prwtoboylia prosfyghs enantion mias apofashs, afoy den yparxei apofash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Proxqes, omws, to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn sthn anakoinwsh poy ekane anefere oti qa prosfygoyme sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio.

REPPAS: Qa prosfygoyme. Kai malista xwris xronotribh, opws leei h sxetikh anakoinwsh, ean kai efoson yparjei ayth h apofash.

Eyxaristw. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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