Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-03-19

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19.3.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Syzhthsame, shmera, sth synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs to qema ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias.

* Prin, omws, anaferqw s' ayto, qa hqela na kanw ena sxolio gia th draxmh. Ta stoixeia ta opoia exoyn prokycei apo thn ektimhsh ths poreias stis agores, aytes tis prwtes hmeres meta thn prosarmogh ths isotimias toy eqnikoy nomismatos, martyroyn oti h antidrash ths egxwrias kai ths jenhs agoras einai qetikh, ews enqoysiwdhs se orismenes periptwseis. Ayto martyra thn empistosynh olwn twn paragontwn stis prooptikes ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. H staqerh stash ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs sto na odhghsei se oikonomikh anaptyjh kai eyhmeria th xwra kai to lao apodidei karpoys. Ayto fainetai apo ton tropo me ton opoio ypodexontai aytes tis kybernhtikes prwtoboylies oi paragontes ekeinoi, oi opoioi se megalo baqmo kaqorizoyn th leitoyrgia twn agorwn, ara kai th qesh toy nomismatos mas stis dieqneis aytes agores kai malista se ena idiaitera antagwnistiko periballon. Yparxoyn stoixeia ta opoia einai sth diaqesh sas. Den qa sas koyrasw twra me ariqmoys. Mporoyme na epanelqoyme efoson to epiqymeite.

* Oson afora th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, opws sas eipa, syzhthsame to qema poy afora thn Olympiakh Aeroporia, ton eqniko aerometaforea. Gia to qema ayto, qa enhmerwsei toys synadelfoys sas me leptomereies o k. Mantelhs, o opoios ayth thn wra dinei synenteyjh Typoy.

H qesh ths Kybernhshs einai safhs. Epiqymoyme na antapokriqoyme sthn apaithsh toy ellhnikoy laoy, o opoios qelei tis dhmosies epixeirhseis na einai ygieis kai na prosferoyn ychlhs poiothtas yphresies stoys xrhstes twn yphresiwn toys. Nomizw oti peran twn xrhstwn, oloi oi polites poy einai forologoymenoi, exoyn kaqe logo na apaitoyn apo toys Organismoys toy Dhmosioy, opws einai idiaitera h O.A., ena epipedo leitoyrgias peran toy ikanopoihtikoy, doqentos oti einai apo tis epixeirhseis ekeines, oi opoies briskontai antimetwpes me tis proklhseis toy dieqnoys antagwnismoy. Prokeimenoy na epibiwsei kai na anaptyxqei h O.A., prepei na proxwrhsoyme me synepeia se ena programma ejygianshs, to opoio qa diakrinetai apo ton taxy ryqmo toy kai ta apofasistika kai rizospastika metra, ta opoia einai aparaithta, gia na katajiwqei kai pali, to syntomotero dynato, o eqnikos aerometaforeas kai na antapokriqei sthn apostolh toy. Sto plaisio ayto, jekina amesws h diadikasia efarmoghs toy programmatos ejygianshs.

Synedriazei, shmera, h syneleysh twn metoxwn prokeimenoy na enhmerwqei gia thn apofash ths Kybernhshs kai amesws meta qa enhmerwqei to Symboylio ths O.A., to opoio se synennohsh me toys ergazomenoys, prepei na antimetwpisei kai na epilysei ta problhmata, wste h O.A. na jeperasei thn krish poy th mastizei. Sto plaisio ayto, epiqymoyme na ejasfalisoyme ejoikonomhsh toylaxiston 50 dis. drx. ethsiws. Ayto qa to epityxoyme me syndyasmenes draseis poy qa aforoyn diafores pleyres leitoyrgias ths epixeirhshs. Epiqymoyme h Olympiakh Aeroporia na epidiwjei kai na anaptyjei strathgikes symmaxies me alles megales etairies, me aeroporikoys kolossoys poy drasthriopoioyntai s' ayton ton tomea me epityxia. H O.A. qa prepei na antimetwpisei, enocei ths kataskeyhs toy neoy aerodromioy sta Spata, thn proklhsh ths metegkatastashs ths, prokeimenoy na einai paroysa s' ayth thn ejelijh ws etairia poy prosferei oxi mono th diakinhsh twn politwn, alla kai yphresies edafoys, opws einai h trofodosia h oi episkeyes aeroskafwn. Epishs, h O.A. qa prepei na proxwrhsei amesws se oles ekeines tis diarqrwtikes allages, oson afora th domh kai th leitoyrgia ths, prokeimenoy na ginei eyelikth, apotelesmatikh, leitoyrgikh, na prosferei telika ychloy epipedoy yphresies se osoys thn protimoyn.

Ayto einai to plaisio sto opoio katalhjame shmera. Ejoysiodothqhkan oi synarmodioi Ypoyrgoi na xeiristoyn ta epimeroys qemata, ejeidikeyontas to periexomeno aytoy toy politikoy plaisioy. Pisteyoyme oti se poly mikro xroniko diasthma, se synennohsh me toys ergazomenoys, qa prokycei mesa apo symfwnia olwn twn pleyrwn ena programma to opoio qa einai katallhlo, prokeimenoy h O.A. na jeperasei th shmerinh krish ths.

Ayta se poly genikes grammes. Eimai sth diaqesh sas gia na apanthsw stis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prin apo ligo, otan milhsate gia thn ypotimhsh, eipate gia kapoioys paragontes. Poioi einai aytoi oi paragontes; Ennoeite toys kerdoskopoys;

REPPAS: Oi agores exoyn toys dikoys toys kanones, basei twn opoiwn leitoyrgoyn. Einai gegonos oti sto plaisio leitoyrgias ths agoras ginontai, polles fores, kai kerdoskopika paixnidia. Ayto to opoio omws exei shmasia einai h qetikh antapokrish poy yphrje ap' oles tis dynameis ths agoras sthn kybernhtikh ayth prwtoboylia - kai anaferomai sthn prosfath apofash ths Nomismatikhs Epitrophs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs- pragma to opoio apodeiknyetai me sygkekrimena kai adiaceysta stoixeia, ta opoia einai sth diaqesh sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: "Dynameis ths agoras", lete. Poias agoras; Ths ellhnikhs;

REPPAS: Yparxoyn ependytikoi Oikoi, yparxoyn trapezikoi Organismoi, yparxoyn megales etairies poy ependyoyn sto ellhniko Xrhmatisthrio, poy eisagoyn synallagma, poy me diaforoys tropoys apodeiknyoyn thn empistosynh poy trefoyn pros tis prooptikes ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Ayto einai ena asfales krithrio gia thn epityxh ejelijh, h opoia ejasfalisthke meta apo thn apofash ayth. Pisteyoyme oti apotelei enan kalo oiwno. Den shmainei oti petyxame to stoxo mas. H prospaqeia synexizetai, alla epishmainoyme oti ta prwta bhmata einai poly kala. Den eixame fainomena aisxrokerdeias sthn agora, o elegxos twn timwn epitrepei stoys katanalwtes na ta promhqeyontai stis times poy eixan kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Ola ayta deixnoyn pws me cyxraimia, me nhfaliothta, me synesh kai eyqynh, oloi oi paragontes antimetwpizoyn tis teleytaies ejelijeis. Ayto einai para poly enqarryntiko stoixeio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ennoeite aytoys poy ta ebgalan thn Pempth kai thn Paraskeyh kai ta eferan "mesa" th Deytera;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na eixame thn Pempth kai thn Paraskeyh ekroh synallagmatos sto ycos twn eisrown poy exoyme aytes tis hmeres, doqentos oti edw miloyme gia disekatommyria ta opoia exoyn eisreysei, enw gnwrizete poly kala oti ta posa ta opoia bghkan apo thn Ellada einai poly mikrotera. Kai en pash periptwsei, an qelete na sygkrinete ayto to opoio egine sth dikh mas xwra se sxesh me ayto poy egine se alles xwres stis opoies anelhfqhsan analoges prwtoboylies, eykola qa katalhjete sto symperasma oti oi antidraseis sthn Ellada htan hpies. Qa elega oti htan sta oria toy fysiologikoy, toy omaloy gia tis periptwseis aytes kai ayto kati apodeiknyei.

KIAOS: Epeidh paraqesate kapoioys paragontes, hqela na rwthsw an aytoi einai oi paragontes gia toys opoioys eipate sthn arxh oti "kaqorizoyn", to shmeiwsa.... Aytoi einai oi paragontes, erwtw, poy eipate prohgoymenws...

REPPAS: Ma, milhsa. Anaferqhka stoys ependytes, stoys trapezikoys Organismoys...

KIAOS: Ependytes, Trapezes k.t.l.

REPPAS: Asfalws, oloi aytoi.

KIAOS: Aytoi einai poy kaqorizoyn ta ths agoras;

REPPAS: Bebaiws, oloi aytoi exoyn to diko toys barynonta rolo. Milhsa gia toys paragwgoys proiontwn, milhsa gia toys eisagwgeis, milhsa gia oloys ekeinoys, oi opoioi ephreazoyn toys ryqmoys kai to bhmatismo ths leitoyrgias ths agoras. Kai -epeidh den anaferqhka me th sygkekrimenh lejh, den shmainei oti to pareleica kiolas- prepei na labete ypoch sas oti einai kai o katanalwths, o poliths. Einai o idios o laos o opoios edeije pragmatika mia idiaiterh eyqynh tis prwtes hmeres. Alles fores, me aformes oi opoies eixan doqei, gnwrizete poies antidraseis proklhqhkan. Ayth th fora eidame toys katanalwtes na promhqeyontai ta proionta poy einai aparaithta gia thn trofodosia toys, me to synhqh ryqmo. Den diataraxthke ayth h sxesh kai ayto einai shmantiko.

KIAOS: Pws jexwrizei h Kybernhsh, kaqe fora, poioi einai ependytes kai poioi einai kerdoskopoi;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, den einai dynaton na onomazeis kapoioys "kerdoskopoys" h kapoioys alloys "ependytes", me allo krithrio, para mono apo to stoxo ths drasthriothtas toys. Ayth thn wra, pisteyoyme oti exoyme ola ta stoixeia sth diaqesh mas gia na milhsoyme gia ena ayjhmeno ependytiko endiaferon poy yparxei se oloys toys tomeis sthn Ellada, opws thn prohgoymenh periodo eixame ekeina ta stoixeia ta opoia mporoysan na mas odhghsoyn sto symperasma oti yphrjan pieseis kerdoskopikoy xarakthra se baros ths draxmhs. Pieseis poy antimetwpisthkan tote. Oi ependyseis poy ginontai twra se diaforoys tomeis -sto Xrhmatisthrio, sta omologa toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy, sthn agora xrhmatos- pisteyw oti einai antidraseis qetikes kai prepei na tis epishmanoyme.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kai to 1994 eixate ejaggeilei ena sxedio ejygianshs ths O.A., to opoio den proxwrhse. Dyo tina mporei na symbainoyn: h aytoi poy sxediasan ayto to montelo ejygianshs den to sxediasan kala h aytoi poy anelaban na to diekperaiwsoyn den to ekanan. Se kaqe periptwsh den yphrjan kyrwseis. To erwthma moy einai poies eggyhseis yparxoyn oti to shmerino montelo ejygianshs qa proxwrhsei.

REPPAS: Epishmainete thn yparjh eyqynwn gia thn anakoph ths ejelijhs toy programmatos ejygianshs poy eixe symfwnhqei gia thn Olympiakh Aeroporia, to 1994. Exete dikio, se megalo baqmo. Mporoyme na dexqoyme oti oloi, opoioi amesws h emmesws xeiristhkame qemata sxetika me thn ejelijh aytoy toy programmatos, exoyme eyqynh. Giati, pragmatika, h poreia aytoy toy programmatos den ejelixthke opws eixe sxediastei. Me ayth thn ennoia, briskomaste apenanti se problhmata, ta opoia den einai dynaton na agnohsoyme. Den einai dynaton na egkataleicoyme thn O.A. sthn tyxh ths. Gi' ayto akribws, shmera, proxwroyme me thn apofash, thn opoia labame, se mia entonh kai apotelesmatikh -pisteyoyme- prospaqeia, gia na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei. Ayto to opoio mporw na anaferw ws eidopoio diafora gia thn prospaqeia poy kanoyme shmera, se sxesh me thn prospaqeia ekeinhs ths periodoy, einai to genikotero klima, h genikoterh prospaqeia poy kanei h Kybernhsh gia thn ejygiansh twn forewn toy Dhmosioy. Sth bash ejaggeliwn poy exoyme kanei kai epeidh akribws diaqetoyme sygkekrimeno programma kai epishs diaqetoyme -ayto allwste exei apodeixqei- kai th boylhsh na feroyme se peras to programma ayto poy exoyme ejaggeilei, pisteyoyme -kai eseis prepei na to dexqeite- oti perissotero para pote shmera eimaste poly konta sto na epityxoyme toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei.

KOGIANNHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, ap' o,ti gnwrizoyme, sthn arxh ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs ekane anafora stis ejelijeis peri ths draxmhs. H anafora toy htan sto plaisio aytwn poy mas eipate h eipe kai kati perissotero;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke, kanontas ayth th qetikh epishmansh, gia tis ejelijeis poy parathroyntai aytes tis hmeres, meta th nea isotimia ths draxmhs, kati to opoio epanelaba kai egw molis twra. O Prwqypoyrgos epeshmane oti oloi mas prepei na synexisoyme me thn idia prosoxh kai synepeia thn prospaqeia poy jekinhsame, wste na mhn exoyme anatarajeis sthn agora kai sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, na elegjoyme tis ejelijeis, na meiwsoyme tis dysmeneis synepeies ekei opoy mporei na prokycoyn kai na proballoyme akomh perissotero tis qetikes pleyres aytwn twn ejelijewn, opws einai h enisxysh ths antagwnistikothtas twn proiontwn mas kai h enisxysh, sto synolo ths, pleon, ths prospaqeias poy kanoyme gia thn anaptyjh ths oikonomias ths xwras mas kai thn enisxysh ths Elladas, sto plaisio ayths ths megalhs eyrwpaikhs oikogeneias.

MOSXOBAS: Nwritera mas eipate pws an sygkrinoyme ta posa twn eisrown kai twn ekrown, oi eisroes einai poly megalyteres. Profanws exete ypoch sas kapoio noymero. Mhpws mporeite na mas peite poies einai oi eisroes mexri shmera;

REPPAS: Mporw na sas pw oti ayth thn wra yparxoyn kapoia stoixeia ta opoia einai sth diaqesh sas. Sthn agora synallagmatos p.x. exoyme mia eisroh, h opoia kymainetai apo to 1,5 - 1,8 disekatommyria dolaria. Mesa s' aytes tis liges hmeres, einai poly shmantiko na poyme oti ta synallagmatika diaqesima ths Trapezas ths Ellados, ayjhqhkan kata 1dis 300 ekat. dolaria. Prepei na pw de -kai ayto shmainei epishs kati- oti h draxmh exei anatimhqei, aytes tis liges hmeres, enanti twn kentrikwn isotimiwn ths sto Mhxanismo, ston opoio entaxqhke, kata 1,5 - 2,5%. H anodos twn timwn sto Xrhmatisthrio einai synexhs kai entypwsiakh. Eftase to 14% mesa se poly liges hmeres. Epishs, qeamatikh einai h anakamch ths agoras twn omologwn, me apotelesma oi apodoseis se makroproqesmoys titloys dekaetoys diarkeias toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy na ypoxwrhsoyn kata 2,2 ekatostiaies monades, peripoy sto 8%. Yparxoyn kai alloi deiktes sth diaqesh sas. Genika, prepei na poyme oti ola ta stoixeia kinoyntai se qetikh kateyqynsh. Kai ayto einai mia para poly eynoikh ejelijh. Qa elega oti ta pragmata ejelissontai poly kalytera ap' o,ti qa anemene kaneis, lambanontas ypoch tis parenergeies, oi opoies se megalo baqmo prokyptoyn se tetoies periptwseis. Ta stoixeia ayta einai sth diaqesh sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Thn ekroh den eipate. Thn eisroh thn eipate.

REPPAS: Ekroh den eixame aytes tis hmeres. Ekroes parathrhqhkan tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Gnwrizete se poia ych kymanqhkan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, den gnwrizoyme.

REPPAS: Eipa kai tote, eipa kai molis prin, oti ta posa ayta, ta 800-900 ekatommyria dolaria, ta opoia efygan apo thn Ellada thn Paraskeyh, einai ena poso ychlo, bebaiws, alla qa mporoyse na xarakthristei ws kinoymeno entos toy plaisioy poy polles fores parathreitai se analoges periptwseis. Den prepei na mas diafeygei ayto kai den prepei na meiwnoyme thn ajia toy egxeirhmatos. Ola ta stoixeia mas lene to antiqeto.

BITSENTZOY: Apo ayth thn eisroh sthn agora synallagmatos poy lete kata 1,5 ews 1,8 dis afairoyntai ta 800 ekatommyria poy efygan thn Paraskeyh;

REPPAS: Einai ta posa ta opoia eisereysan sthn Ellada aytes tis 3-4 hmeres, meta thn entajh ths draxmhs sto Mhxanismo twn Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn. Alla ayto to opoio einai pio shmantiko -giati ta kefalaia, pleon, kinoyntai me mia sxetikh eleyqeria- einai oti ayjhqhkan ta synallagmatika diaqesima sthn Trapeza ths Ellados mesa se liges hmeres, kata 1,3 disekatommyria dolaria. Ayto einai shmantiko ews entypwsiako.

KANELOPOYLOS: Eipate, prohgoymenws, oti sthn eishghsh toy pros thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph o Prwqypoyrgos synesthse prosoxh gia th meiwsh twn arnhtikwn synepeiwn, poy shmainei oti exete diapistwsei kapoies arnhtikes synepeies. Mporeite na mas peite poies einai aytes;

REPPAS: Dysmeneis synepeies poy mporei na prokycoyn einai p.x. h ayjhsh twn timwn katanalwtikwn proiontwn. Ston tomea ayto, mexri twra, ta pragmata exoyn paei para poly kala. H Kybernhsh parakoloyqei, me megalh prosoxh kai systhmatiko tropo, to pws ejelissontai oi times sthn agora. Pisteyoyme oti dikaiologeitai kapoia aisiodojia. Mexri twra, toylaxiston, ta pragmata exoyn paei poly kala. Kai nomizoyme oti kaqws qa pernoyn oi hmeres qa ejomalynontai synexws. Bebaiws, epanalambanw, mporei na yparjoyn fainomena poy apoteloyn kai peristasiakes parenergeies tetoiwn epilogwn. Eimaste, omws, etoimoi na antimetwpisoyme ta fainomena ayta. Kai pisteyw oti qa ta antimetwpisoyme epityxws.

KANELOPOYLOS: Epeidh mas ta lete ola kala den yparxei kati strabo, kati poy sas anhsyxei;

REPPAS: Mas anhsyxei kati to opoio mas anhsyxoyse kai persi kai propersi. Mas anhsyxei to oti h Ellada exei meinei pisw apo tis alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Qeloyme na kalycoyme ayth thn apostash. Prepei se sympyknwmeno xrono na kanoyme ena poly megalo alma. Giati qeloyme h Ellada na sygkatalegetai ayrio stis xwres ekeines, oi opoies qa kaqontai sto idio trapezi kai qa apofasizoyn gia tis ejelijeis sthn E.E. Qeloyme h Ellada na einai s' ayth th megalh eyrwpaikh oikogeneia, me enisxymenh th qesh ths. Oso ayto den to exoyme epityxei apolytws, ayth h elleich apotelei kai phgh anhsyxias gia mas. Kataballoyme megalh prospaqeia sthn kateyqynsh na epityxoyme to stoxo mas. Kai pisteyoyme oti, s' ayth thn prospaqeia, exoyme th symparastash toy ellhnikoy laoy, o opoios antilambanetai kai to megeqos ths prospaqeias kai thn ajia kai th shmasia aytoy toy stoxoy. Kai symfwnei s' ayth thn prospaqeia kai s' ayto to stoxo poy exoyme epilejei.

KARAGIANNH: Efoson ta stoixeia, opws mas lete, einai toso qetika, giati o Prwqypoyrgos sth synomilia toy me toys dhmosiografoys, aisqanqhke thn anagkh na anaferqei sto politiko kostos kai malista mesw dhlwsews toy ayto to politiko kostos na syndeqei kai me tis epikeimenes dhmotikes ekloges;

REPPAS: Isa-isa, o Prwqypoyrgos rwthqhke gia to politiko kostos poy mporei na prokycei apo tetoioy eidoys epiloges afoy antilambaneste, pws ena kommati toy plhqysmoy poy den exei idiaiterh enhmerwsh, den einai ejoikeiwmeno me ta qemata ayta, mporei na qewrei oti exei ypostei mia megalh blabh. Emeis pisteyoyme oti oi opoies arnhtikes synepeies antimetwpizontai. Qa aporrofhqoyn, kaqws qa pernaei o kairos kai malista se syntomo xroniko diasthma. O Prwqypoyrgos me thn apanthsh poy edwse -kai ayth einai h qesh ths Kybernhshs- apedeije oti den mas endiaferei ws Kybernhsh na eimaste dhmofileis se baros ths xwras kai ths prooptikhs ths. Mas endiaferei na antimetwpizoyme apotelesmatika, antapokrinomenoi sthn empistosynh poy mas edeije o ellhnikos laos, ta problhmata ta opoia exei h xwra. Kai antimetwpizoyme ayta ta problhmata, kanontas aytes tis tomes, proxwrwntas s' aytes tis metarryqmiseis kai tis megales allages. Gnwrizoyme oti einai dynaton, peristasiaka estw, na prokycoyn kai antidraseis. Alla eimaste apolyta bebaioi oti telikws o idios o ellhnikos laos, akoma kai to tmhma ekeino to opoio mporei peristasiaka na antidra, epeidh anagnwrizei thn ajia ths prospaqeias mas, qa einai mazi mas.

KARAGIANNH: Dhladh, h qesh ths Kybernhshs einai oti to endexomeno politiko kostos, poy qa mporoyse na exei, entopizetai sth mh ejoikeiwsh kai mh enhmerwsh toy megaloy h mikroy tmhmatos toy ellhnikoy laoy gia thn apofash ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Ma, otan akoygontai epixeirhmata kai isxyrismoi poy einai akraioi kai paralogoi, qa elega, pws einai logiko na pw ki egw oti kapoioi den einai arketa enhmerwmenoi kai gi' ayto miloyn me ton tropo me ton opoio miloyn. Akoyw p.x. kapoioys na isxyrizontai oti oi Ellhnes eginan ftwxoteroi kata 14%. Apo poy prokyptei ayto; Opws eipa h Kybernhsh qa kriqei gia to ergo ths sto telos ths tetraetias, otan qa oloklhrwqei h qhteia ths. Emeis pisteyoyme oti o ellhnikos laos qa antapokriqei qetika sthn prospaqeia poy kanei h Kybernhsh. Kai qa oloklhrwsoyme to ergo mas, exontas apolyth bebaiothta stoys stoxoys toys opoioys exoyme qesei. Otan akoygontai ayta ta akraia epixeirhmata kai aytoi oi isxyrismoi oi opoioi den exoyn bash alhqeias, logiko einai na pei kapoios oti den yparxei eparkhs enhmerwsh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Stis 2 kai 3 Maioy qa yparjei epanakaqorismos ths isotimias twn nomismatwn, sto plaisio ths synedriashs poy ginetai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Mporei h Kybernhsh na desmeyqei apo twra kai epishmws oti den qa exoyme nea ypotimhsh ths draxmhs tote;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tetoio qema. H diaskech ayth gia thn Oikonomikh kai Nomismatikh Enwsh qa ginei gia tis xwres ekeines oi opoies proxwroyn amesws sthn prwth fash, opws leme, ths ONE. Den exei sxesh h diaskech ayth me thn isotimia ths draxmhs. Gia to qema ayto phrame twra thn apofash kai h isotimia einai pleon staqerh. Isa-isa eipame oti den qa eprepe na epitrecoyme ayth h diapragmateysh kai h prosarmogh ths isotimias ths draxmhs na ginei tote. Kai ayto prokeimenoy na kerdisoyme ayto to diasthma twn hmerwn poy apomenoyn, mhn epitrepontas etsi se kerdoskopoys na askhsoyn pieseis se baros ths draxmhs, kaqws logiko htan na anamenoyn oti stis arxes Maioy, sto plaisio ayths ths diaskechs, afoy qa syzhthqei to qema isotimiwn, qa yphrxe kai to qema ths isotimias toy dikoy mas nomismatos. Ayta, loipon, ta prolabame. Kai nomizw oti kai ws pros ayto to shmeio, o xeirismos mas htan idiaitera epityxhs.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epeidh ki eseis, prin apo ligo kai o k. Papantwnioy thn Kyriakh fainetai na ekplhsseste, otan akoyte oti oi Ellhnes eginan 14% ftwxoteroi, qa hqela na moy peite h Kybernhsh apeyqynomenh ston ellhniko lao ti exei na toy pei; Oti einai sthn idia oikonomikh katastash poy briskotan pro ths ypotimhshs, se kalyterh katastash h se xeiroterh katastash;

REPPAS: Ayto to opoio mporw na pw einai oti: Prwton, h Ellada brisketai se poly kalyterh katastash shmera, giati dhmioyrgei tis proypoqeseis kai proselkyei to endiaferon ependytwn, prokeimenoy etsi na dhmioyrghsei, me tis ependyseis poy qa ginoyn, nees qeseis apasxolhshs gia toys neoys polites. Deyteron, h qesh ths Elladas enisxyetai me th symmetoxh toy nomismatos mas s' ayto to Mhxanismo. Mia symmetoxh h opoia ejasfalizei mia yposthrijh pros to nomisma mas, giati kaneis den qelei na exei sthn oikogeneia toy ena nomisma to opoio ekfrazei mia oikonomia h opoia einai problhmatikh. To oti giname dektoi apotelei, qa elega, ena prwto shmantiko bhma sthn prospaqeia poy kanoyme gia entajh sthn Oikonomikh kai Nomismatikh Enwsh. Triton, qa legame oti oloi ekeinoi oi opoioi prosferoyn eite yphresies ston toyristiko tomea, eite agrotika proionta, logw prasinhs draxmhs, qa wfelhqoyn, epeidh ginontai pio antagwnistika ta proionta kai oi yphresies toys. Bebaiws, mporw na dexqw oti aytoi oi opoioi katanalwnoyn proionta poy einai eisagomena, qa prepei na katabaloyn megalyterh dapanh, prokeimenoy na ikanopoihsoyn aytes tis epiqymies toys. Kai eipa oti ayta ta opoia akoygontai, oti dhladh eginan kata 14% ftwxoteroi oloi oi Ellhnes, einai paraloga, gia enan poly aplo logo: Einai dynaton na qewreis oti oloi oi Ellhnes forane royxa eisagomena, pairnoyn trofima eisagomena, xrhsimopoioyn sthn kaqhmerinh zwh toys eisagomena antikeimena; Den to antilambanomai ayto! Apo poy prokyptei;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis pws ntyneste;

REPPAS: Arkadika, arkadikotata!! Kanoyme "eisagwgh" sthn Aqhna, apo thn Tripolh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Para ton kindyno na me kathgorhsoyn oti kanw sxolio kai oxi erwthsh, wstoso qa mpw s' ayto ton kindyno. Tis teleytaies hmeres emfanizei h Kybernhsh thn ypotimhsh ws to pio qetiko pragma poy mporei na symbei se mia xwra. An einai toso kalh h ypotimhsh, qa kanete syxnotera ypotimhseis;

REPPAS: Antilambaneste oti mia tetoia erwthsh ypotima th nohmosynh mas. Toylaxiston, th dikh moy. Prepei na pw oti den einai mono kalo h mono kako pragma. H ypotimhsh enos nomismatos prepei na ginetai me eyqynh kai prepei na antapokrinetai se sygkekrimenes anagkes kai ypoxrewseis poy exei h xwra. Swsth htan h politikh ths staqerhs draxmhs poy akoloyqhsame thn prohgoymenh periodo gia na antimetwpisoyme ton ychlo plhqwrismo kai ta megala elleimmata. Afoy petyxame ayto to stoxo, wste na ginoyme dektoi sto Mhxanismo Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn, einai swsth h epilogh ayth sthn opoia proxwrhsame, diapragmateyomenoi me toys etairoys mas sthn E.E., prokeimenoy na katasthsoyme pio ajiopisth kai antagwnistikh thn ellhnikh oikonomia. An htan na proxwrhsoyme se mia tetoia epilogh ligoys mhnes prin, einai bebaio oti den qa eixame petyxei to stoxo mas na entaxqoyme s' ayto to Mhxanismo. O stoxos einai na entaxqoyme sthn ONE. Ena prwto bhma einai h entajh mas sto Mhxanismo Isotimiwn. Kai epeidh eprepe na entaxqoyme s' ayto to Mhxanismo oi kinhseis oi opoies kaname me thn oikonomikh politikh mas, afoy stoxeyan s' ayto to stoxo, eprepe metajy twn allwn na perilambanoyn mia politikh sklhrhs draxmhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy einai toso kala apo to Sabbato kai meta me thn ypotimhsh, giati aytoi mazeythkan shmera kai fwnazan ejw apo th Boylh;

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola qa moy epitrecete na pw oti deixnei mia perifronhsh, otan milate gia "aytoys oi opoioi mazeythkan ejw apo th Boylh". Yparxoyn koinwnikes omades. Nomizw oti einai omada syntajioyxwn oi opoioi diadhlwnoyn. Nomizw oti to ekanan arketes fores kai prin thn prosarmogh ths isotimias toy nomismatos mas. Ara, den prepei na syndeetai to ena me to allo. Yparxoyn koinwnikes omades oi opoies antimetwpizoyn problhmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo synhqeia erxontai, loipon; Etsi moy lete;

REPPAS: Apo synhqeia, ena apo ta liga pragmata poy jerw oti ginontai, einai oi dikes sas erwthseis, oi opoies gnwrizw panta ti afethria exoyn, opws gnwrizw ti katalhjh exoyn oi apanthseis tis opoies sas dinw. Me ayth thn ennoia, ayto einai mia synhqeia h opoia exei epikrathsei kai me exei kai mena ejoikeiwsei me ton tropo me ton opoio qetete ta erwthmata. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws yparxoyn qemata, yparxoyn problhmata poy apasxoloyn koinwnikes omades. Emeis kanoyme to kalytero dynato, sto plaisio mias antistaqmistikhs politikhs gia na antimetwpisoyme problhmata twn koinwnika asqenesterwn tajewn. Eimaste etoimoi, se poly mikro xroniko diasthma, na anaptyjoyme ena plhres paketo metrwn koinwnikhs politikhs, poy qa perilambanei ta osa kata kairoys exoyme apofasisei kai hdh exoyn teqei se efarmogh. Na anaptyjoyme, dhladh, oles tis prwtoboylies mas, prokeimenoy na systhmatopoihsoyme thn koinwnikh politikh poy akoloyqoyme kai na bohqhsoyme toys koinwnika adynamoys kai na ejasfalisoyme th synoxh ths ellhnikhs koinwnias s' aythn thn pragmatika dyskolh poreia pros thn ONE. Aytos einai o stoxos mas.

KIAOS: Eixate pei prohgoymenws oti analambanete ki eseis, oxi proswpikws, genikws thn eyqynh dioti den eixe proxwrhsei to programma ejygianshs ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias to 1994. Antistoixa, briskete eyqynes kai poy tis katalogizete sto oti emeine poly pisw h Ellada kai ekfrazete, malista twra, ayth thn entonh anhsyxia;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, den exw kamia dyskolia ek meroys ths Kybernhshs na analabw tis eyqynes poy analogoyn kai stis Kybernhseis toy PASOK. Ayth, omws, h wra den einai h pleon katallhlh gia na kanoyme aythn thn katanomh eyqynwn stoys ergazomenoys, oi opoioi apasxoloyntai se ena sygkekrimeno tomea, stis dioikhseis oi opoies dioikhsan kai dihyqynan epixeirhseis h stis Kybernhseis toy PASOK poy me diafores synqeseis eixan thn epopteia aytwn twn Organismwn. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia -kai den mporei na sas diafeygei- einai oti o ellhnikos laos chfise kai apofasise na anaqesei kai pali sto PASOK th diakybernhsh ths xwras. Kai o ellhnikos laos otan chfise, ektimhse ola ayta ta dedomena, ta opoia kai eseis qetete me thn erwthsh sas. Alliws, qa htan adianohto na pisteyoyme oti o ellhnikos laos chfizei, xwris na staqmizei ola ayta ta stoixeia ta opoia gnwrizete ki eseis. Apo thn allh, ayto to opoio proexei twra, einai na enwsoyme tis dynameis mas sthn koinh prospaqeia, na ejygianqei h Olympiakh, na anaptyxqei, na ginei antagwnistikh, wste na mporesei na antapokriqei sthn apostolh ths.

KIAOS: Syggnwmh, eseis to phgate mono sthn Olympiakh. H anhsyxia sas htan oti h Ellada emeine pisw....

REPPAS: Otan milhsa gia tis ekloges, anaferqhka sto synolo twn qematwn ta opoia mporeite na xrhsimopoihsete ws stoixeia, gia na katakrinete tis Kybernhseis toy PASOK, oi opoies apo to 1981 mexri twra -me kapoia dialeimmata- kybernhsan th xwra. Sas eipa oti ola ayta o ellhnikos laos ta elabe ypoch toy. Kai o ellhnikos laos chfizei gia na eimaste Kybernhsh.

XATZHDHMHTRIOY: Ayth thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy thn eklambanete ws leykh epitagh gia thn efarmogh politikwn epi twn opoiwn den eixe proideastei;

REPPAS: Ws mia desmeysh sthn opoia prepei na antapokriqoyme. Kai epeidh to synolo toy ellhnikoy laoy h -gia na mhn eimai apolytos- h pamchfia, h syntriptika megalh pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy epiqymei h Ellada na labei meros sthn Oikonomikh kai Nomismatikh Enwsh, pisteyoyme oti h paroysia ths Elladas sthn ayrianh Eyrwph pernaei mesa apo ayth thn politikh poy ejaggeilame kai desmeythkame ston ellhniko lao, kai gi' ayto akribws o ellhnikos laos anagnwrizei thn prospaqeia mas kai einai mazi mas.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Mporeite na moy anaferete kapoion epaino o opoios diatypwqhke pros thn Kybernhsh, gia thn politikh poy akoloyqhse oson afora th draxmh, peran ekeinwn poy ekfrasthkan apo organwmenes omades, koinwnikes omades h epixeirhmatikes omades poy aforoyn trapezites, biomhxanoys, ejagwgeis ktl.;

REPPAS: Kyrie Mpogiopoyle, oi Kybernhseis den exoyn anagkh epainwn. Idiaitera h dikh mas Kybernhsh epiqymei na einai mia dhmioyrgikh Kybernhsh. Kai to mono epaino poy epidiwkoyme na apospasoyme, einai h chfos toy ellhnikoy laoy to 2000, otan qa ginoyn oi ekloges. Pisteyw, oti ayto qa to epityxoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxoyn kapoia stoixeia ta opoia prepei na ektimhqoyn gia na bgaloyme ta symperasmata mas. Kai milhsa gia oikonomika stoixeia, ta opoia martyroyn oti eimaste sth swsth kateyqynsh.

ELENOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ena sxolio qa hqela. Qa hqela na shmeiwsete, omws, oti den m' endiaferei ayto kaq' ayto to gegonos ths ypotimhshs, dhladh mhn speysete na moy apanthsete oti h ypotimhsh pote den proanaggelletai. Qa hqela, loipon, na rwthsw to ejhs: Eixa ypoch moy ta teleytaia dyo-tria xronia, ton Prwqypoyrgo na leei oti endiaferetai na diamorfwsei ena komma kai mia Kybernhsh poy qa einai anoixth pros ton ellhniko lao, gia na mporei na yparxei mia amfidromh sxesh. Ton teleytaio xrono, omws, arxizw na antilambanomai, oti oi apofaseis lambanontai en kryptw kai apo mia poly stenh omada empeirognwmonwn h en pash periptwsei kybernhtikwn stelexwn. Kai qa hqela na rwthsw, an ayto mporei na endiaferei oysiastika to synolo toy ellhnikoy laoy. Pws, dhladh, blepei h Kybernhsh na pairnei apofaseis apo dw kai pera, me poio tropo, pros poia kateyqynsh; Kai an mporoyn stenes omades en pash periptwsei, akomh polles fores kai erhmhn toy synoloy toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy na kaqorizoyn ta pragmata. Den anaferomai se swstes h laqemenes prajeis.

REPPAS: O ellhnikos laos pisteyw oti prwta ap' ola endiaferetai na yparxei sthn kybernhtikh diaxeirish, ena apotelesma tetoio poy qa ikanopoiei tis dikes toy anagkes. O ellhnikos laos endiaferetai, epishs, na throyntai kai na ginontai sebastoi oi dhmokratikoi kanones, oi opoioi diepoyn th leitoyrgia twn kybernhtikwn sxhmatwn h twn politikwn kommatwn. Me ayth thn ennoia, sthn periptwsh sthn opoia anafereste -kai eimai twra pio sygkekrimenos- thrhqhkan aytes oi diadikasies, poy pagiws throyntai s' oles tis xwres, prokeimenoy na diapragmateyqei h xwra mas ena toso eidikhs shmasias qema. Antilambaneste, otan dexomaste kritikh -kakopisth bebaiws- gia tis diarroes oi opoies eginan liges wres prin th synedriash ths Nomismatikhs Epitrophs, poso megalyterh eyqynh qa eixame, an en onomati mias kenhs periexomenoy dhmokratikhs diadikasias, kaname mia ejaggelia oti qa synedriasei kybernhtiko organo, gia na laboyme sxetikes apofaseis, poy aforoyn thn isotimia toy eqnikoy nomismatos. Ola eginan me ena tetoio tropo, o opoios ikanopoiei kai to peri dhmokratias aisqhma, alla bebaiws, epeidh ola krinontai ek toy apotelesmatos -kyriws, oxi monon, alla kyriws- prepei na pw oti to apotelesma einai ayto to opoio epidiwkoyme na epityxoyme. To apotelesma to opoio epiqymei kai o ellhnikos laos gia na lysei ta problhmata poy ton apasxoloyn. Kai ekei, Kybernhsh kai laos kinoyntai sthn idia kateyqynsh.

XATZHDHMHTRIOY: Na kanw mia erwthsh poy jefeygei apo to plaisio ths stenhs enhmerwshs: Ti proexei gia sas, h hqikh toy apotelesmatos h h politikh hqikh;

REPPAS: Mas endiaferei na diasfalisoyme ayta ta koinwnika agaqa, opws metajy twn allwn, einai kai h hqikh kai to hqos kai to yfos. Kai thn hqikh sth diaxeirish twn dhmosiwn ypoqesewn h twn dhmosiwn oikonomikwn, kai to hqos kai to yfos ths ejoysias ekeino, poy deixnei semnothta kai eyqynh sth diaxeirish twn eqnikwn kai dhmosiwn pragmatwn. Kai bebaiws mas endiaferei, kaqws kanoyme ayth thn prospaqeia, na paragetai ena sygkekrimeno apotelesma, to opoio qa ginetai orato kai xeiropiasto apo ton ellhniko lao, poy einai o apodekths ths dikhs mas ergasias, ths dikhs mas prospaqeias. Alliws, h prospaqeia mas den qa eixe nohma. Qa eixame metablhqei se "ierokhrykes", apla kai mono mias politikhs. Emeis qeloyme na efarmozoyme mia politikh thn opoia ejaggelloyme. Kai se synergasia me ton ellhniko lao qa ejasfalisoyme apotelesmata gia th xwra kai gia ton ellhniko lao. Kai ayto kanoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela ena sxolio gia thn prospaqeia ths Kybernhshs na fimwsei ton Typo -kai anaferomai sthn agwgh ths kas Papandreoy sthn efhmerida "BRADYNH".

REPPAS: Den yparxei kamia prospaqeia ths Kybernhshs na fimwsei ton Typo. O Typos sthn Ellada einai eleyqeros kai qa elega oti brisketai se anqish. Einai prwtofanes. Pote sthn Ellada den kykloforoysan kaqhmerines efhmerides ston ariqmo poy kykloforoyn shmera. Poio periorismo kai poia "fimwsh" diapistwnete eseis; Den nomizw na yparxoyn xwres -me to megeqos ths dikhs mas xwras h me to diko mas anagnwstiko koino- oi opoies na diaqetoyn toses polles efhmerides. H eleyqerotypia sthn Ellada einai sebasth. Oi efhmerides kykloforoyn eleyqera. Ayto den shmainei omws, oti kaqe poliths -kai enas Ypoyrgos idiaitera- den qa perifroyrei thn ajioprepeia toy. Otan qewrei oti sykofanteitai h qigetai h proswpikothta toy, prepei na menei kata th gnwmh sas apaqhs; Einai dynaton ta endika mesa ta opoia briskontai sth diaqesh toy kaqe polith na ta stereitai enas Ypoyrgos; Gi' ayto akribws yparxei h Dikaiosynh. Opws den prepei na fobomaste ton Typo, o Typos den prepei na fobatai th Dikaiosynh kai h Dikaiosynh den prepei na fobatai kanenan, giati einai panw apo ta proswpa, panw apo ta kommata. H Kybernhsh de, prepei na kanei to ergo ths kai oi Ypoyrgoi, leitoyrgoyn me bash ta osa exoyn desmeyqei. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, yparxoyn kai qemata arxhs, ta opoia oloi qa prepei na ta sebastoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti perissotera egrace h "BRADYNH" ap' osa eipe o k. Piperias sthn ka Basw Papandreoy, mesa sthn Epitroph;

REPPAS: Den qa kaqorizoyme emeis, oyte egw, oyte opoiosdhpote allos, tis epiloges tis opoies qa kanei ena proswpo, prokeimenoy na yperaspistei thn ajioprepeia toy. O kaqenas, o opoios qewrei oti qigetai, qa prepei na exei sth diaqesh toy th dynatothta na yperaspistei thn proswpikothta toy, poy exei qigei kata thn gnwmh toy. An akoloyqhsoyme th dikh sas protash, enw mas kathgoreite gia fimwsh toy Typoy, qa odhghqoyme se fimwsh twn politwn. Na mhn mporoyn oi polites, dhladh, na diasfalisoyn to diko toys symferon, thn ajioprepeia toys. Ayto epiqymeite; Den exoyn dikaiwma oi polites, dhladh, na yperaspistoyn ton eayto toys;

BITSENTZOY: Na kaqorisete kai to qema ths asylias twn boyleytwn gia thn isotimia twn politwn.

REPPAS: Kyria Bitsentzoy, ayto einai ena megalo qema, epi toy opoioy exoyn diatypwqei polles apoceis. Parakalw, omws, na apofygoyme, toylaxiston twra, aytoys toys laikismoys giati den einai h boyleytikh asylia h phgh twn problhmatwn. Kai to gnwrizete poly kala.

BITSENTZOY: Peri isotimias htan o logos, gi' ayto...

REPPAS: Ma, gnwrizete poly kala oti oi boyleytes eklegontai me th chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy. Den toys diorizei kaneis. Kai eklegontai se takta xronika diasthmata, wste na mporei na pei kaneis oti krinontai kai janakrinontai, enw kapoioi alloi askoyn dhmosioys roloys kai drasthriothtes, xwris na exoyn parei thn egkrish toy ellhnikoy laoy. Mh qeloyme na ta isopedwsoyme ola. Sas parakalw poly, giati ayto einai poly kako gia to politeyma mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai o Typos krinetai apo thn Koinh Gnwmh, k. Ypoyrge.

REPPAS: Bebaiws, symfwnw apolyta. Kai h Dikaiosynh krinei ta adikhmata, efoson exoyn yparjei adikhmata. Ayth einai h symfwnia poy exoyme kanei s' ayth thn koinwnia.

Na eiste kala.

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