Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-03-18

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 18.3.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON GENIKO GRAMMATEA TOY YPOYRGEIOY TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS NIKO AQANASAKH

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Den exete na mas anakoinwsete eseis kati;

AQANASAKHS: Sas exw pei apo xqes to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, to opoio ejelissetai kanonika. Yparxoyn ola ayta poy exoyme pei tis prohgoymenes hmeres gia synedriaseis, synanthseis, ayrio ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, shmera h episkech toy Oyggroy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ta exoyme pei ayta. Den exw kati kainoyrgio.

MIXAHL: Thn Paraskeyh telika den yparxei kanena kybernhtiko organo; Dieykrinistika erwtw.

AQANASAKHS: Gia thn Pempth exw anakoinwsei th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, me qema "politikh gia thn Olympiakh Aeroporia". Mexri th stigmh poy katebhka gia thn enhmerwsh, den eixa kati gia Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gia to opoio ypoqetw oti me rwtate, gia thn Paraskeyh.

MIXAHL: Gia kapoio kybernhtiko organo rwthsa ...

AQANASAKHS: Den exw kati mexri twra gia thn Paraskeyh, se ayto to epipedo. Syskeceis alles ginontai diafores. Thn Paraskeyh yparxei mia Syndiaskech toy PASOK gia ta agrotika, opoy qa milhsei o Prwqypoyrgos. Qa exete enhmerwsh gi' ayto apo to Grafeio Typoy toy PASOK. H Syndiaskech diorganwnetai apo to PASOK kai th Sosialistikh Omada toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy, apo toys eyrwboyleytes mas. Ayta omws qa ta exete apo to PASOK.

GARGALAKOS: Exoyn prokycei nomika kwlymata sta sxedia ths Kybernhshs sxetika me thn anamorfwsh twn ergasiakwn sxesewn sthn Olympiakh Aeroporia;

AQANASAKHS: Den exoyn anakoinwqei oi apofaseis ths Kybernhshs, gia na yparjei kati tetoio. Den gnwrizw na yparxei tetoio qema. Eida kapoia dhmosieymata poy anaferontai se anafores yphresiwn ths Olympiakhs. Den mporei ola ayta na anaferontai stis telikes apofaseis, oi opoies den exoyn lhfqei. Ara, olos aytos o kyklos ths syzhthshs, ypoqetw oti qa mporei na arxisei, ean xreiazetai, meta tis apofaseis. Exoyme pei oti qa yparjoyn oi apofaseis ths Kybernhshs kai qa akoloyqhsei ena syntomo diasthma dialogoy me toys ergazomenoys, sth diarkeia toy opoioy elpizoyme oti qa yparjoyn symfwnies.

KIAOS: Metajy twn epixeirhsewn, DEKO k.lp. poy prokeitai na idiwtikopoihqoyn, na metoxopoihqoyn, opws qeloyme to leme, einai kai h EYDAP. Etsi;

AQANASAKHS: Einai ston katalogo, an kala qymamai, giati den ton exw mprosta moy.

KIAOS: Poia einai h logikh ths Kybernhsews na idiwtikopoihqei h etairia poy mas dinei to nero kai pinoyme;

AQANASAKHS: Qa elega na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias gia thn plhrh analysh aytoy. Ypoqetw oti me thn erwthsh sas diatypwnete mia antirrhsh ws pros thn epilogh.

KIAOS: Oxi, egw qelw na maqw. Oyte antirrhsh, oyte tipota. Aplws, rwthsa, epeidh kai tis meres aytes me tis ejelijeis sta qemata ths draxmhs, ths entajhs sto Mhxanismo Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn k.lp. kai me ta metra poy anefere o k. Papantwnioy, einai qema genikoterhs kybernhtikhs politikhs, gi' ayto to anefera.

AQANASAKHS: Eipame, oti stis epixeirhseis koinhs wfeleias to orio einai 49%. Miloyme gia metoxopoihseis. H olh leitoyrgia, h eisroh idiwtikwn kefalaiwn se mia epixeirhsh toy Dhmosioy ews ena pososto kai h symmetoxh kata to pososto ayto sth dioikhsh, sas bebaiw kai apo thn proswpikh moy empeiria, oti allazei arketa ta pragmata se mia etairia ws pros th logikh ths, ws pros th logikh ths leitoyrgias ths.

KIAOS: Egw rwtw poia einai h logikh ths Kybernhsews na idiwtikopoihqei h etairia poy mas dinei to nero.

AQANASAKHS: Profanws, dioti qewrei oti mporei na exei kalytera apotelesmata kai kalh, apodotikh leitoyrgia. Ola ayta ginontai gia kalo, k. Kiao.

KIAOS: Eyxaristw.

GARGALAKOS: Exoyn qorybhsei thn Kybernhsh oi sklhres epiqeseis poy dexetai apo thn pleyra ths Antipoliteyshs, alla kai oi bareis xarakthrismoi poy ekfrazontai apo th merida toy antipoliteyomenoy Typoy;

AQANASAKHS: Einai dyo xwrista pragmata: Ti kanei h Antipoliteysh kai kapoioi sklhroi xarakthrismoi apo merida toy antipoliteyomenoy Typoy. Sto prwto, exw topoqethqei epi ths oysias tis prohgoymenes hmeres, epaneilhmmena, se o,ti afora th stash ths Antipoliteyshs. Den qa hqela na epanalabw to synolo ayths ths topoqethshs twra. Omws, me oles aytes tis kinhseis poy feroyn diafora xarakthristika kai einai kai polykefalhs kateyqynshs, qa elega, polykefalwn epilogwn, me ola ayta poy eidame apo thn Antipoliteysh tis prohgoymenes hmeres, ayto to opoio qa mporoysa na pw einai h diapistwsh oti exoyme ena plhrh eytelismo toy antipoliteytikoy logoy. Idiaitera xqes. Phrate thn anakoinwsh thn opoia ejedwsa gia ton k. Ebert kai thn erwthsh poy kateqese sth Boylh. Mia aparadekth erwthsh, me aparadekta yponooymena, poy den qa eprepe na exei qesh shmera ws logikh sthn politikh mas zwh. Einai ena epipedo to opoio eixe akoloyqhqei sto parelqon apo to idio komma kai eixe kostos gia ton topo synolika. Den me apasxolei, dhladh, den mporei na apasxolei emas, einai eswteriko ths qema, ean h kinhtikothta toy k. Ebert, gia na talaipwrhsei to diadoxo toy, ekfrazetai me taktikes toy prokatoxoy toy. Den mporei na talaipwreitai h politikh zwh kai na syretai, na epixeireitai na syrqei, se tetoio epipedo. Twra se o,ti afora sygkekrimena dhmosieymata me poly sklhroys xarakthrismoys poy toys blepw ki egw tis teleytaies hmeres -"speira", "apatewnes", "lwpodytes" kai diafora alla, den qelw na anaferqw se kamia sygkekrimenh efhmerida- qa elega oti kaqenas leei kai grafei o,ti koybalaei mesa toy.

LAKOPOYLOS: Parathrhsa thn apanthsh poy dwsate sxetika me thn erwthsh toy k. Ebert. O k. Ebert ekane akribws erwthsh, dhladh kinhqhke sta plaisia toy koinoboyleytikoy elegxoy. Qewrei h Kybernhsh oti o koinoboyleytikos elegxos kineitai se kapoia oria, se kapoia plaisia;

AQANASAKHS: Kaqe boyleyths einai eleyqeros na epilegei to epipedo twn erwthsewn toy kai to orio poy o idios bazei ston eayto toy gia ton koinoboyleytiko elegxo. O k. Ebert, kata th dikh moy ekdoxh, den ekane aplws mia erwthsh. O k. Ebert ypoballei o idios thn apanthsh sthn erwthsh thn opoia ekane kai ara, xrhsimopoiei glwssa ypainiktikh gia na mporei na exei kai to alloqi oti den eipe aytos kati sygkekrimeno. "Erwthsh ekana"!! Ton eblepa kai se ena kanali xqes, poy elege oti "ekana mia aplh anafora" kai sth synexeia miloyse 20' gi' ayto. Se o,ti afora to orio toy koinoboyleytikoy elegxoy, apanthsa. Den qetei kanena orio h Kybernhsh, se kanenan. Kaqe boyleyths epilegei to epipedo sto opoio qa kinhqei.

POYLIDOY: Ti analogies blepete anamesa sthn praktikh toy k. Ebert kai stis praktikes twn prokatoxwn toy, opws eipate;

AQANASAKHS: To eipa, dioti exoyme pali ripes skandalologias, me kathgories, xwris kanena stoixeio, na ektojeyontai prospaqwntas na syroyn thn politikh zwh s' ayto to epipedo. Den qa to petyxoyn, bebaiws. Milhsa gia mia periodo, ekana mia anafora, sth diarkeia ths apanthshs moy, se mia periodo poy thn exoyme jeperasei kai pisteyw oti kalws thn exoyme jeperasei kai kaneis den qelei na epistrecei s' aythn.

LAKOPOYLOS: Mporeite na mas peite se poia akribws periodo anaferesqe;

AQANASAKHS: Otan milw gia periodo entonhs skandalologias poy kyriarxhse sthn politikh mas zwh, nomizw, oti oloi katalabainoyme ti ennow.

LAKOPOYLOS: Oxi, egw den katalabainw. Gia paradeigma, thn ypoqesh ths AGET kai th leitoyrgia toy kommatos sas, s' ayth thn periodo kai s' ayth thn ypoqesh, th symperilambanete;

AQANASAKHS: Milw gia skandalologia xwris kanena stoixeio. Xwris bash.

MIXAHL: Qelw to sxolio ths Kybernhshs, oson afora shmerina dhmosieymata poy anaferontai se prowres ekloges, ton Ioynio...

AQANASAKHS: Den yparxei tetoio qema, oyte skech, oyte tipota ws problhmatismos, oyte "kat' onar". Den yparxei. Kai opoios mporei na dei thn pragmatikothta kai to politiko skhniko, den qa to egrafe kan. As to gracei kapoios ws dikh toy analysh. Alla, giati to apodidoyn sthn Kybernhsh; Den exei kanena logo. Exei kanena logo h Kybernhsh na kanei ekloges; Bazw teleia, loipon, edw kai apantw: Oi ekloges qa ginoyn to 2000.

POYLIDOY: Epeidh h syzhthsh phge se monopatia ta opoia fantazomai oti jefeygoyn, alla en pash periptwsei den htan abasimh h skandalologia tote. To Eidiko Dikasthrio eixe bgalei kapoies apofaseis. Blepete sxesh...

AQANASAKHS: Den qelw na anoijoyme ayth th syzhthsh. Egw eipa...

POYLIDOY: Blepete sxesh stis skandalologies me ekeinh thn periodo;

AQANASAKHS: Egw eipa kati gia ton k. Ebert, sto plaisio ths Neas Dhmokratias. Kai h xqesinh moy topoqethsh elege "oti prospaqwntas na yperkerasei th shmerinh hgesia ths N.D.". Den qelw na anoijoyme mia syzhthsh gia to parelqon. Den yparxei kamia skopimothta. Apla, kapoioi gnwrizoyn, fainetai, mono aytes tis meqodoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti to mempto eixe h erwthsh toy k. Ebert;

AQANASAKHS: Ayto akribws poy antilambaneste ki eseis, apolytws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw den antilambanomai tipota. Egw qewrw oti htan....

AQANASAKHS: Lypoymai an den to antilambaneste.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai. Ti to mempto; Peste moy, poio htan;

AQANASAKHS: Eipa, akribws ayto poy antilambaneste ki eseis, apolytws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh egw den to antilambanomai, eimai kaqysterhmenos, mhpws mporeite na moy ejhghsete eseis;

AQANASAKHS: Shmeiwnw th dhlwsh sas, alla qa diafwnhsw m' ayth, oti "eiste kaqysterhmenos".

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den moy lete tote k. Genike; Poio shmeio einai ayto poy enoxlei; Ayto gia ton k. Papantwnioy; Ti enoxlei; Ti enoxlhse sthn erwthsh; Peste moy.

AQANASAKHS: Ayto poy fantazeste.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den fantazomai. H erwthsh einai tesseris seires.

AQANASAKHS: Na antistrecw ligo ta pragmata. Mporw na kanw kai egw mia erwthsh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kante, den exw problhma.

AQANASAKHS: Wraia. Ti hqele na pei, dhladh o k. Ebert; Mporeite eseis na moy peite;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti hqele na pei o k. Ebert;

AQANASAKHS: Eipame na antistrecoyme ligo toys oroys. Egw rwtaw twra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai gi' ayto poy elege h Kybernhsh synexeia, poy dieceyde thn ypotimhsh kai thn ekane...

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, den leei tipota gi' ayto o k. Ebert.

STAMATOPOYLOS: ...Kai gia to daneio poy phre, enw eixe kanei aithsh gia ypotimhsh kai thn perimene se merikes meres.

AQANASAKHS: Ayto hqele na pei o k. Ebert! Wraia! An hqele ayto, kata thn apoch sas, ean hqele na pei ayto o k. Ebert, den yparxei logos na synexisoyme th syzhthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto, kai allo ena. Na sas pw kai to allo: oti kai kapoy einai mplegmenos kai o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias.

AQANASAKHS: Ti mplegmenos akribws; Mhpws qelete na dieykrinisete ti akribws hqele na pei o k. Ebert, me bash ayta poy lete;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lew...

AQANASAKHS: Nai. Ti lete; Kai ti leei o k. Ebert, ennow, oxi ti lete eseis. Eseis to lete kai to ypografete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lew, oti me rwthsate kapoies erwthseis kai den moy apantate.

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, twra apantate eseis. Den katalabate. Zhthsa thn adeia na allajoyme gia ligo. Loipon, akoyste me, gia na mhn koroideyomaste. Kai den qelw -den eixa kamia proqesh- na trabhjoyme olh ayth th syzhthsh etsi. O k. Ebert ekane mia sygkekrimenh erwthsh, yponowntas sygkekrimena pragmata. Ayto katalabainoyme oloi osoi eimaste s' ayth thn aiqoysa. An den to katalabainei o k. Stamatopoylos, pisteyw oti qa toy epitrecoyme, oloi mazi, na synexisei na mhn to katalabainei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O panikos!

AQANASAKHS: Sas parakalw! Ola ayta poy yponoei o k. Ebert xwris, janalew, na proskomizei to paramikro stoixeio, einai aparadekta kai mas pane poly pisw. Den jerw kan an einai h epishmh grammh ths N.D., den me apasxolei. Alla, den mporei h politikh zwh toy topoy na kineitai s' ayto to epipedo. Eipa kai xqes, oti an exei to paramikro stoixeio enantion opoioydhpote, na to paei ston Eisaggelea. Den exei tipota. Einai dynaton na emplekeis etsi, me tosh eykolia, ta paidia opoioydhpote; Ektos an prepei na bgaloyme mia genikh rhtra, h opoia na leei oti, an syggenhs opoioydhpote ergazetai se mia etairia, ayth h etairia prepei na apokleietai apo nomimoys diagwnismoys poy ginontai, me thn kanonikh nomimh diadikasia, opoy akoloyqoyntai oloi oi typoi kai oi kanones kai sto oysiastiko meros mporoyn na kriqoyn. Einai aytonohta pragmata ayta kai aporw giati me epanaferete, synexws, s' ayto to shmeio.

MOYRTZHS: O k. Soyflias, mesw ths efhmeridas "ELEYQEROTYPIA" ekane mia protash gia eqnikh synennohsh, me th dieykrinish, oxi me thn ennoia mias peristasiakhs enothtas, alla me th sthrijh sto metro toy efiktoy, oswn kommatwn exoyn eyrwpaikh prooptikh. Ena sxolio parakalw gi' ayto. Kai ena deytero erwthma: akoysa ton k. Laliwth o opoios eipe oti qa epwfelhqoyme 700 kai pleon dis. apo th nea ypotimhsh. To erwthma moy einai, ean oi symbaseis twn megalwn ergwn -aerodromio, METRO klp- exoyn rhtra dolarioy, rhtra synallagmatos h rhtra ypotimhmenhs draxmhs.

AQANASAKHS: Ta erga, ta opoia ginontai ayth th stigmh sth xwra, einai ta megala erga, alla kai polla mikrotera erga, xiliades erga, ycoys trisekatommyriwn. Otan o armodios Ypoyrgos, o opoios exei thn eyqynh gia tis symbaseis, dhlwnei oti apo ayth thn prosarmogh ths isotimias prokyptei ena ofelos ekatontadwn disekatommyriwn -den ton akoysa o idios kai den exw kanei ton ypologismo gia na dw an einai 500, 600 h 700, den to exw ayth th stigmh to dedomeno ayto- pisteyw, oti exei labei ypoch toy ki ayto to opoio lete. Mporei na yparxoyn kapoies symbaseis poy na einai me rhtra synallagmatos -mporei lew- alla profanws, yparxoyn kai polles alles. Dhladh, otan dinetai ena sygkekrimeno noymero ayths ths eisrohs, apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo, isxyei. Den exei kaneis logo na krycei h na prosqesei kati s' ayto. Gia to allo qema, toy k. Soyflia. Einai gegonos oti oysiastikh antirrhsh sto programma twn metrwn poy exei anakoinwsei h Kybernhsh, den exei akoystei, apo thn meizona antipoliteysh, toylaxiston. Exei akoystei kritikh oti den qewroyn arketa ayta ta metra. Exei akoystei kritikh oti qa eprepe na exoyn ginei nwritera. Epi ths oysias twn metrwn, oysiastikh kritikh den exei akoystei. Qa perimene, loipon, kaneis, me bash ayto, kai thn yposthrijh twn metrwn, apo osoys den exoyn antirrhsh gi' ayta.

KIAOS: Allo eipe o k. Soyflias kai...

AQANASAKHS: Me rwthsate ki apanthsa.

Sas eyxaristw.

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