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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

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Trith, 31 Maioy 2011

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 31 Maioy 2011

JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

H antimetwpish ths krishs, sthn paroysa fash, perna mesa apo mia sklhrh kaqhmerinh diapragmateysh se ena idiaitera reysto periballon me dyskoles synqhkes poy dhmioyrgei h yfesh, h dieqnhs krish kai h katastash ths xwras, etsi opws thn paralabame prin apo 19 - 20 mhnes peripoy.

S' ayth th diapragmateysh, oytws h allws, tipota den mas xaristhke, den mas xarizetai kai oyte qa mas xaristei. Einai diko mas qema na kanoyme tis megales tomes kai tis megales allages. Apaiteitai kaqhmerinos kai synephs agwnas gi` aythn thn prospaqeia poy kanoyme, bash kai eggyhsh einai h aysthrh proshlwsh stoys stoxoys mas.

O agwnas ths diapragmateyshs, epanalambanw, einai makrys, epimonos, sklhros kai diejagetai kaqhmerina. Diapragmateyomaste kai anazhtoyme lyseis gia ola ta problhmata se ola ta epipeda kai ejantloyme ola ta periqwria poy exoyme.

Epixeiroyme thn ejasfalish twn kalyterwn lysewn me to blemma sta krisima zhthmata ths xwras, alla kai sth diasfalish enos asfaloys mellontos.

Stoxos mas einai h ejasfalish ths poreias ths xwras gia to mellon, alla kyriws h asfaleia toy Ellhna polith. Asfaleia apo tis synepeies ths krishs, apo to reysto dieqnes oikonomiko periballon kai tis abebaiothtes poy ayto prokalei, alla kai apo politikes toy parelqontos poy plhgwsan thn ellhnikh koinwnia kai ton Ellhna polith, me synepeies poy shmera antimetwpizoyme.

Agwnizomaste gia na prosferoyme stoys polites th sigoyria mias staqerhs oikonomias. Mias ejwstrefoys kai biwsimhs anaptyjhs sto oikonomiko periballon mias xwras poy jeperna ta problhmata ths. Me megalo agwna, kaqe mera, anadiatassei tis dynameis ths kai steketai stis dikes ths kai mono dynameis.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh milhsate gia diapragmateysh, exei teqei apo thn ellhnikh pleyra pros thn troika qema meiwshs twn syntelestwn toy foroy prostiqemenhs ajias;

PETALWTHS: Epeidh h diapragmateysh den exei akomh kleisei, qa htan akomco na sas anaferw osa stoixeia gnwrizw apo th diapragmateysh. Omws, apo ekei kai pera, qa prepei na mhn dhmioyrgoyme prosdokies, oi opoies isws meinoyn prosdokies. Me dedomeno oti prepei na gnwrizoyme ta apotelesmata poy qeloyme na paragoyme apo tis apofaseis poy lambanoyme, toylaxiston ston forologiko tomea, qa prepei na yparxei amesothta, dhladh, na exoyme paragwgh ameswn apotelesmatwn. Ki emeis qa qelame na meiwnoyme forologikoys syntelestes, ki emeis qa qelame para poly, perissotero apo kapoioys alloys, na meiwnoyme th forologia, xreiazetai omws na exoyme kai amesa apotelesmata, dhladh, na exei esoda to ellhniko dhmosio, gia na mporoyme na proxwrame.

MPEKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Samaras eipe xqes oti symfwnei se ola ta shmeia poy exoyn na kanoyn me ta 50 dis, me tis apokratikopoihseis, me ta limania, me ta aerodromia. Poy einai to problhma sas na kanete ligo pisw sto qema twn forwn, wste na poreyqeite mazi san dyo kaloi filoi;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, ta dyo kommata exoyn diaforetikes ideologikes taytothtes. Den yparxei periptwsh na taytistoyme, epeidh milame gia synennohsh. To oti o k. Samaras dexetai - an dexetai - th dikh mas politikh twn apokratikopoihsewn kai ths ajiopoihshs ths dhmosias perioysias, einai para poly shmantiko kai fysika den mpainei se kamia logikh to poios proteinei ti. Exoyme mprosta mas mia proklhsh na paroyme amesa apofaseis kai s' ayto pragmatika an h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh sygklinei, toylaxiston sta 50 dis, qa einai ena poly isxyro xarti gia th xwra mas. Omws, apo ekei kai pera, ayto den mporei na teqei sth bash mias diapragmateyshs, kanoyme emeis mia paraxwrhsh h kanei mia paraxwrhsh h N.D. Gia th forologia, to exoyme pei para polles fores: Ean pragmatika h N.D. mas dwsei diejodoys kai mas ypodeijei tetoies protaseis poy na exoyn isodynama apotelesmata, ta opoia opwsdhpote prepei na exoyme sto telos toy sygkekrimenoy programmatos, tote pragmati eimaste etoimoi na ta dexqoyme. H protash ths, omws gia thn allagh ths forologias den mporei na petyxei toys stoxoys toys opoioys prepei opwsdhpote na petyxoyme ws xwra. Den mporoyme na ricokindyneysoyme h na diakindyneysoyme kaqysterhseis, giati s' ayto akribws to shmeio egkeitai h dikh mas amfisbhthsh. Ayta poy proteinei o k. Samaras, opws thn allagh twn syntelestwn kai ths forologhshs, den apoferoyn amesa apotelesmata. Den mporoyme, den exoyme to periqwrio ws xwra na perimenoyme dyo-tria xronia h osa xronia apaitoyntai gia na exoyme apotelesmata. Gi' ayto akribws yparxei h dikh mas antirrhsh s' ayto to zhthma ths forologias poy proteinei o k. Samaras.

MPEKA: Par' ola ayta emeis ektimoyme oti ta oria proseggishs einai para poly konta. Yparxei skech apo ton k. Prwqypoyrgo na kanei mia kat' idian synanthsh me ton k. Samara;

PETALWTHS: To oti yparxoyn ajones, opoy pragmatika mporei na yparjei sygklish, emeis eimaste oi prwtoi poy to leme. Emeis kalesame kai th N.D. kai ta ypoloipa kommata ths antipoliteyshs prokeimenoy na broyme koina shmeia synaineshs, oytws wste na petyxoyme mia eqnikh synennohsh. Kai ayto den qa to kaname, ean pisteyame pws den yparxei kanena shmeio sygklishs, toylaxiston s' ayth th fash. Apo ekei kai pera, oi synanthseis ginontai otan yparxei logos na ginontai. Emeis exoyme apodeijei, o Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy exei apodeijei, oti kanei tetoies yperbaseis, poy isws den qa mporoyse kaneis Prwqypoyrgos na tis skefqei, alla epeidh akribws oi stigmes einai toso ektaktes kai toso krisimes, oi yperbaseis aytes einai epibeblhmenes. Me dikh toy prwtoboylia oi politikoi arxhgoi exoyn synanthqei kai sto parelqon. H synennohsh me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, poy phre kai thn prwtoboylia gia th Synodo twn arxhgwn twn politikwn dynamewn, safws kai eixe th qetikh ths diastash. Ara, otan yparxoyn shmeia sygklishs kai yparxoyn stoixeia eqnikhs synennohshs, ennoeitai oti sto mellon den qa yparxei problhma na ginei opoiadhpote synanthsh. Omws, to qema den einai oi synanthseis twn arxhgwn. To qema einai na mporesoyme na mpoyme oloi s' enan ajona eqnikhs synennohshs. Ayto apaitoyn oi peristaseis. Ayto apaitei h xwra, katw ap` aytes tis synqhkes.

TSIKRIKA: Na epanelqoyme ligo sto qema ths forologias: H N.D. shmera dhlwnei oti einai etoimh na dexqei na yparjoyn kapoia oysiastika antibara, qa ta dexqei loipon ayta, arkei na meiwqei h forologia. H kybernhsh, eyqys ej arxhs, dhladh, stekeste apenanti, dhlwnete eyqys ej arxhs oti den dexeste, den kanete pisw me tipota sth meiwsh ths forologias;

PETALWTHS: Emeis eipame oti qa dexqoyme - kai to eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai sth syskech twn politikwn arxhgwn kai dhmosiws fysika to exei pei - otidhpote den parekklinei apo toys stoxoys mas. Yparxei o stoxos ths meiwshs toy elleimmatos, ths meiwshs toy xreoys. Kai aytos einai aparabatos stoxos. Sto plaisio loipon aytoy toy stoxoy, m' ayth th stoxeysh, dexomaste opoiodhpote metro, opoiadhpote apofash poy mporei pragmatika na mas odhghsei ekei. Apofash isodynamh me ta metra kai tis protaseis poy qetoyme emeis. Alla oi sygkekrimenes protaseis ths N.D., exoyme th qewrhsh oti den sygklinoyn, etsi wste na exoyme ayta ta apotelesmata poy prepei na exoyme kai ston xrono poy prepei na ta exoyme. S' ayto akribws to shmeio brisketai kai h antirrhsh mas.

SIDERHS: Qa epanelqw sthn proxqesinh synenteyjh toy k. Droytsa: Epeidh o k. Droytsas den einai aytofwtos sthn politikh zwh, alla eterofwtos, oi apoceis toy...

PETALWTHS: Den katalabainw ayto poy lete, ti akribws shmainei.

SIDERHS: Den exei tyxei ths laikhs epidokimasias.

PETALWTHS: Ayto den exei shmasia.

SIDERHS: Einai filos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, den einai mempto.

PETALWTHS: Den einai filos toy Prwqypoyrgoy. O k. Droytsas einai Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn.

SIDERHS: Ma, den to eipa arnhtika.

PETALWTHS: Pws to lete; Qetika;

SIDERHS: Aplws to prosdiorisa, xwris na to ajiologhsw.

PETALWTHS: Sas ypenqymizw oti o k. Droytsas einai o ypoyrgos twn Ejwterikwn.

SIDERHS: Ayto poy eipe gia tis dyo qhteies twn boyleytwn aphxei h toylaxiston symmerizetai o Prwqypoyrgos tetoies apoceis;

PETALWTHS: Anaferqhke xqes s` ayto to qema kai kanonika, den qa eprepe na apanthsw shmera sthn erwthsh sas kai na sas parapemcw sth xqesinh moy apanthsh. Epanalambanw loipon: O k. Droytsas symmeteixe se mia dhmosiografikh syzhthsh gia to politiko systhma kai ejefrase apokleistika proswpikes toy apoceis.

SIDERHS: Giati shmera dyo boyleytes toy PASOK kalesan ton Prwqypoyrgo na ``mazecei'' ton k. Droytsa.

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw ayta poy sas eipa prohgoymenws.

KOYTRAS: Ep' aytoy: Rwtaw an mporeite na moy to apanthsete, giati exei teqei to erwthma: Yparxei syntagmatiko problhma me th diplh yphkoothta toy ypoyrgoy twn Ejwterikwn;

PETALWTHS: Apo poion exei teqei; Kat' arxas den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

KOYTRAS: Apo diaforoys kykloys.

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw na yfistatai tetoio zhthma.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Hqela na sas rwthsw: Kanei mia megalh prospaqeia, toylaxiston etsi leei, o Prwqypoyrgos gia na peisei thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh na dwsei synainesh, alla den fainetai na kanei thn idia prospaqeia me thn analogh epityxia gia mesa sthn kybernhsh. Dhladh, yparxoyn diaforoi ypoyrgoi oi opoioi exoyn diaforetikes apoceis gia to mesoproqesmo, gia to qema twn apokratikopoihsewn kai blepoyme mia koinoboyleytikh omada h opoia einai anastath me kaqe eykairia. Paradeigma, as poyme, ayto toy k. Droytsa. Ayta ta fainomena pws mporei na ta mazecei o Prwqypoyrgos; Dhladh, ton problhmatizoyn kaqoloy oti isws na perasei ena mesoproqesmo me poly megalh dyskolia;

PETALWTHS: To mesoproqesmo, sto genikotero plaisio toy, syzhthqhke sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Ennoeitai oti qa syzhthqei ek neoy kai qa apofasisqei. Oi syzhthseis poy ginontai sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio den einai qewrhtikes, katalhgoyn se apofaseis. Kai malista, h prohgoymenh syzhthsh poy diejhxqh sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, omologoymenws yphrje poly epoikodomhtikh. Sigoyra to idio qa ginei kai sto prosexes Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, to opoio qa egkrinei oristika to mesoproqesmo. Ara, oi ypoyrgoi exoyn th dynatothta na ekfrazontai h na diatypwnoyn kapoies qeseis toys oxi aplws ektos Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, alla exoyn th dynatothta na synapofasizoyn mesa apo th diadikasia toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

To idio symbainei kai sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, opoy kai prin thn chfish sthn Olomeleia qa topoqethqoyn eite se synedriash toy KTE Oikonomikwn, eite se pio dieyrymenh morfh, oi boyleytes. Pragma poy shmainei oti oi boyleytes qa exoyn thn eykairia na topoqethqoyn akomh kai prin katateqei to mesoproqesmo sthn Olomeleia. Kai fysika, oi boyleytes qa topoqethqoyn kai me thn chfo toys. Qa prepei na antilhfqoyme oloi oti oi synqhkes ypo tis opoies leitoyrgei kai to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai h Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK, einai synqhkes prwtofaneis.

Arage poia kybernhsh qa antexe na perna mia tetoia krish h xwra, na kanei tosa polla mesa se 18-19-20 mhnes, na exei boyleytes oi opoioi pragmatika kanoyn ena titanio ergo kai oxi mono se nomoqetiko epipedo, alla ena titanio ergo sthrijhs ayths ths terastias prospaqeias h opoia ginetai apo thn kybernhsh. To an yparxoyn diaforetikes apoceis h an yparxoyn apoklinoyses apoceis akomh kai antirrhseis, ayto einai qemito kai malista apo mia kybernhsh san ayth kai apo enan Prwqypoyrgo san ton Giwrgo Papandreoy. Ayto poy prwtistws mas endiaferei einai na ginetai mia gonimh syzhthsh, na peiqontai kai na peiqoyn kai oi ypoyrgoi kai oi boyleytes, etsi wste na apofasizoyme sto telos kai na pairnoyme tis kalyteres apofaseis. Ayto einai poy pragmatika apotelei to protagma kai to prostagma twn kairwn poy zoyme. Den politeyomaste se kanonikes synqhkes. Kai malista, an sygkrinoyme me prohgoymenes kybernhseis poy htan poly diaforetika ta pragmata kai yphrxan poly perissoteres anataraxes -opws eipate- kai trigmoi stis Koinoboyleytikes Omades. Edw exoyme boyleytes poy sthrizoyn me poly megalh prospaqeia, me poly megalo agwna, proswpiko kopo kai qysies to ergo ths kybernhshs. Poy symballoyn me thn agwnia toys kai thn anhsyxia toys kai fysika sto telos exoyme kai to apotelesma apo to opoio krinomaste oloi.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelete na peite oti sth synedriash eite toy KTE oikonomikwn, eite ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas - fantazomai ayto einai to pio dieyrymeno organo - ean kapoios boyleyths exei basimes antirrhseis, piqanotata an exei kai mia protash isodynamoy apotelesmatos, opws lete, qa mpeite jana se diadikasia diapragmateyshs me thn troika gia na apodexqei ayth;

PETALWTHS: Ayta einai typika kai diadikastika. Ean yparxoyn, omws, pragmatika tetoies protaseis, oi opoies einai toso rhjikeleyqes kai oi opoies mporei na apoferoyn isodynama apotelesmata, ennoeitai, oti qa syzhthqoyn. Alla, edw milame gia krisimes apofaseis, gia krisimes katastaseis. Pantws, oi protaseis twn boyleytwn lambanontai ypoch asyzhthti. Syzhtame me toys boyleytes tis politikes mas kai fysika exoyn thn eleyqeria, akomh kai se hssonos shmasias nomoqethmata na ekfrazontai, poso mallon, se meizonos shmasias, opws einai to mesoproqesmo, na prosferoyn me th stash kai tis protaseis toys to kalytero apotelesma.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, an katalabainw kala, shmera h ayrio qa kleisei h diapragmateysh me thn troika. Stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs htan, prin symbei ayto, na ferei to mesoproqesmo sto dieyrymeno KTE oikonomias. Giati allaje aytos o programmatismos;

PETALWTHS: Oxi. Den allaje o programmatismos. Qeloyme na exoyme mia kata to dynaton megalyterh etoimothta, etsi wste phgainontas sta organa ths Koinoboyleytikhs mas Omadas, ston koinoboyleytiko tomea, na mporesoyme na ejhghsoyme me ton kalytero tropo ti symbainei.

BITALHS: Akoysa tis arxikes sas parathrhseis, oti ``kaname mia poly sklhrh diapragmateysh, tipota den mas xaristhke'' kai profanws perimenoyme kai kapoia metra pali, ta opoia den qa einai poly eyxarista gia ton kosmo. Kai ola ayta ginontai...

PETALWTHS: Ayta poy akoysthkan, exoyn ejantlhsei ola ta dysaresta, pantws...

BITALHS: Malista. Omws, edw diatypwnetai mia synexhs kritikh ton teleytaio kairo kai apo ta MME kai apo politikoys kai apo syndikalistes kai apo kosmo, oti telika se ena xrono poy exete prospaqhsei na diaxeiristeite ayth thn katastash, den ta exete paei kala. Exete apotyxei, lene oi perissoteroi. Eseis ti skefteste; Exete paei kala, exete apotyxei, poy eimaste;

PETALWTHS: Pragmatika, oi syzhthseis poy akoyme, qewroyn ws bash thn apotyxia. Kai epeidh ayto einai poly eykolo kai epeidh o Ellhnas poliths, poy pragmatika antimetwpizei shmera poly megala problhmata, pragmatika poly eykola mporei na arqei se mia apoch oti ``apetyxe h kybernhsh me to programma ths, gi` ayto antimetwpizoyme ayta ta problhmata''. Qa prepei na ypenqymisw gia allh mia fora, oti den zoyme thn epoxh toy mnhmonioy, toy ``kakoy mnhmonioy'' opws legetai kata koron kai opws akoyme kai se dhmosies syzhthseis, poy einai dhqen sofes, alla zoyme sthn epoxh ths krishs. Sto apokoryfwma mias krishs poy to mnhmonio prospaqei na antimetwpisei. Yparxei mia streblothta, thn opoia kapote qa prepei na qewrhsoyme kai ypo thn swsth ennoia kai ypo to swsto prisma. Dhladh, to mnhmonio ftaiei oti shmera o Ellhnas poliths antimetwpizei problhmata h h krish, sthn opoia mphkame aqwrakistoi giati den eixame kamia proetoimasia san xwra, prin apo enamish kai dyo xronia; Qa prepei prwta, oloi osoi analyoyn, qewrhtikologoyn, politikologoyn, filosofoyn, kaloproaireta h kakoproaireta, na mas apanthsoyn se ayto.

Emeis qewroyme oti briskomaste sto apokoryfwma mias krishs. Qewroyme oti kataferame me poly dyskoles synqhkes kai poly dyskoles diapragmateyseis, na petyxoyme ena mnhmonio kai ekeino to xroniko diasthma, ejantlhsame ola ta periqwria diapragmateyshs poy eixame.

Apo dw kai pera, prospaqoyme na beltiwsoyme o,ti mporoyme. Fqasame se ena shmeio, fqasame edw kai den apotyxame. An apotyxainame qa eixame ptwxeysei perysi to Maio. Parola ayta fqasame. Exoyme ena xrono opoy kanoyme poly megales prospaqeies. Prospaqoyme na mpoyme se kapoio stoxo, na akoloyqhsoyme kapoio programma poy qa mas bgalei apo thn krish, apo edw kai pera, giati kaneis den eixe pei perysi oti se ena xrono qa bgoyme apo thn krish. Miloysame gia ena trietes programma. Perasame ola ta test mexri twra kai ayto den prepei na to afhnoyme sthn akrh toy myaloy mas. Giati gia na paroyme twra thn 5h dosh, phrame prin alles tesseris doseis. Se kaqe dosh eixame poly sklhra test apo toys daneistes mas, apo thn troika. Einai o elegxos poy ginetai, se kaqe daneiakh symbash. Osoi daneizoyn, qeloyn na elegxoyn an oi oroi toy daneismoy pragmatika ylopoioyntai h oxi. Ara, to na fqanoyme kai sthn 5h dosh, poy aisiodojoyme pleon oti qa thn paroyme, qa exoyme perasei 5 krisima test apo thn troika, h opoia kaqe allo para eykolh, stis diapragmateyseis, einai h kaqe allo para mas xarizetai ws xwra. Ara, kai ayto einai mia endeijh oti pragmatika exoyme petyxei polla pragmata mexri twra.

Epishs, na ypenqymisw oti mesa se aytoys toys mhnes kai se poly dyskoles synqhkes kataferame kai kaname allages poy den eginan epi oloklhres dekaeties.

Kataferame na exoyme asfalistiko systhma mexri to 2060, enw otan analabame, katerree to asfalistiko systhma.

Kataferame na exoyme ena allo dioikhtiko systhma, ton ``Kallikrath'', poy para tis kaqysterhseis h tis arryqmies poy yparxoyn, giati einai ena kainoyrgio systhma, pragmatika fernei epanastash.

Kataferame na exoyme krithria diafaneias. Gi` ayto, akribws, fqasame oloys aytoys toys mhnes, olon ayton ton enamish kai parapanw xrono na exoyme ena xarakthristiko: Oti mporei na mas kathgoroyn gia polla, alla gia elleich diafaneias den mporoyn na mas kathgorhsoyn.

Kai ola ayta fysika einai, akribws, ayta poy kaname me polla alla akoma.

Den apotyxame kai ayto einai jekaqaro. Ean den petyxainame den qa briskomastan shmera edw, gia na mporoyme na syzhtame gia thn 5h dosh. Qa eixame meinei akomh sthn 1h kai sth 2h dosh.

Kai bebaia, peritto na ypenqymisw oti yparxoyn kai shmadia anakamchs, oti h yfesh rhxainei - ayto einai jekaqaro - oti milame pleon gia qetiko ryqmo anaptyjhs ana trimhno. Kai oti exoyme, bebaia, mprosta mas to 2012, opoy ayth h yfesh, thn opoia paralabame se mh epoxh krishs, poy htan -2% h anaptyjh - eixame yfesh, dhladh, 2% toylaxiston - qa fqasei panw apo 1% ws anaptyjh.

Ayta einai shmadia - qa mporoysa na anaferw kai polla alla - poy apodeiknyoyn oti den apotyxame. Kai qa prepei oloi osoi pragmatika komporrhmonoyn gyrw apo ayto, prwta na ejhghsoyn ean einai apotyxia ola ayta kai meta na synexisoyn na syzhtoyn panw se ayth th bash.

SEGKOS: Egw hqela na rwthsw, afoy eisaste toso epityxhmenoi kai mallon to mnhmonio htan toso epityxhmeno, giati hdh sthn E.E. -kai to qetoyn kai shmera mia seira ajiwmatoyxoi ths E.E.- syzhtoyn gia mia nea daneiakh symbash, gia ena neo mnhmonio epi ths oysias;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den eipa oti eimaste ``toso petyxhmenoi''. Eipa oti sigoyra den apotyxame kai ejhghsa to giati. To oti ena mnhmonio qa mas ebgaze apo thn krish, pragmatika einai ena aisiodojo senario kai makari na synebaine ayto. Alla, yparxei ena dieqnes, eyrwpaiko reysto topio, poy fysika den epetrece na ginei kati tetoio. Emeis prospaqoyme na kanoyme ta panta. To mnhmonio poy exoyme kai to opoio trexoyme ws programma, to xrhsimopoihsame kai to xrhsimopoioyme, giati an den htan to mnhmonio, den qa eixame ta 110 dis eyrw, kai den gnwrizw poy qa ta briskame perysi, gia na plhrwnoyme toys misqoys kai tis syntajeis, ta sxoleia, ta nosokomeia kai thn opoia koinwnikh pronoia exei to ellhniko kratos. Ayto kaneis den mas to eipe. Alla, apo ekei kai pera, kanoyme ta panta, etsi wste na fqasoyme pio grhgora sthn ejodo apo thn krish. Kanoyme ta panta, etsi wste na baloyme stoxeyseis gia th xwra mas, poy jepernoyn akomh kai mia kybernhtikh qhteia. Qeloyme na yparxei sigoyria kai asfaleia ston polith. Na gnwrizei oti mexri to 2015, h xwra toy qa poreyqei me ayto ton tropo.

Epeidh milhsate gia jenoys, moy dinete thn eykairia na pw oti kanenas apo toys jenoys den leei oti apotyxame. Oi perissoteroi toys opoioys akoyme kata koron kaqe mera kai osoi lene oti exoyme kaqysterhseis h prepei na beltiwsoyme th leitoyrgia twn metarryqmisewn kai twn diarqrwtikwn apofasewn, lene oti ``petyxate, xreiazetai, omws, na kanete pio grhgora''. H ``petyxate, alla prepei na eiste kalyteroi ws pros ayta''. Kaneis den leei apo toys etairoys mas oti den petyxame.

TSIKRIKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oson afora sto qema toy forea twn apokratikopoihsewn, poios einai o sxediasmos gia to organogramma; O epikefalhs qa einai Ellhnas; Sto D.S. qa metexoyn proswpa ta opoia qa einai apodoxhs ths troikas, dhladh, jenoi texnokrates; Poioi einai oi sxediasmoi sas;

PETALWTHS: Ola ayta qa einai mesa sto mesoproqesmo, qa analyqoyn, qa syzhthqoyn, qa apofasisqoyn kai qa anakoinwqoyn. Alla, ekeino poy exw na sas pw einai: Ola ayta peri jenwn poy qa elegxoyn, qa dioikoyn tis efories mas, peri jenwn poy qa kanoyn tis apokratikopoihseis mas, einai yperboles, einai anypostata. Opoy xreiazetai mporei na zhthsoyme texnikh bohqeia, giati toses polles apokratikopoihseis den exoyn ginei pote, oxi mono sthn Ellada, alla sxedon kai se kamia allh xwra ths Eyrwphs. Ara, thn texnikh bohqeia mporei na th zhthsoyme. Alla, oyte tis efories mas qa tis dioikoyn jenoi, opws diabazoyme, oyte tis apokratikopoihseis kai to pws qa ginoyn aytes, qa tis apofasisoyn jenoi.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yphrje mia diarroh xqes to brady - kai diabazoyme kai shmera tis efhmerides - gia kapoies etairies toy dhmosioy poy prokeitai na kleisoyn. Anaferw endeiktika thn DEPANOM, th QEMIS KATASKEYTIKH, akomh kai thn ERT. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs gia ola ayta;

PETALWTHS: Exw akoysei kai egw aytes tis plhrofories kai epeidh yparxei h agwnia pollwn anqrwpwn gyrw ap` ayta, oi diadoseis aytes - to anefera kai xqes - einai senaria episthmonikhs fantasias. Tis leptomereies qa tis apofasisoyme kai qa anakoinwqoyn, alla ontws ayta poy akoygontai qa mporoysan pragmatika na apoteloyn senario qriler, mexri kai kwmwdias.

SIDERHS: Exei prosdioristei xronika pote qa einai h prwth apokratikopoihsh;

PETALWTHS: Otan yparjei h synolikh apofash gia tis apokratikopoihseis qa mpoyn kai oi proteraiothtes. Den qa ginoyn oles mazi. Qa yparjoyn proteraiothtes.

SIDERHS: Epeidh yparxoyn mh diastayrwmenes plhrofories oti h troika leei oti ws ta telh Ioynioy qa prepei na yparjei mia toylaxiston apokratikopoihsh...

PETALWTHS: Mexri telh Ioynioy; An mporoyme na eimaste toso grhgoroi wste na exoyme apokratikopoihsei mexri telh Ioynioy, ayto qa einai timh mas. Oi apokratikopoihseis den einai qema troikas. Prepei na ginoyn gia na bgoyme apo thn krish. Epanalambanw oi apokratikopoihseis den ginontai mono gia na eisreysoyn esoda sto kratos poy safws kai qa meiwsoyn to xreos poy einai para poly shmantiko, alla qa anoijoyn kai anaptyjiakes prooptikes poy tis xreiazetai epeigontws h xwra mas kai oxi mono amesa kai braxyproqesma, alla kai makroproqesma. Ara to ofelos einai poly megalo apo tis apokratikopoihseis kai sigoyra to kalytero qa einai na ginoyn oso to dynaton syntomotera, xwris omws na paragnwrizoyme tis alles parametroys: Th Diaygeia, th diafaneia kai to dhmosio symferon.

KOYTRAS: Afoy parathrhsw oti kai to DNT proeklogika, gia texnikh bohqeia eixe erqei, epeidh milhsate gia texnikh bohqeia, qelw na sas rwthsw an yphrje kapoia sygkekrimenh apofash gia ta nayphgia giati egine mia eyreia syskech xqes. An exoyme kati poio sygkekrimeno. Kleinoyn; Qa parameinoyn; Qa sthrixqoyn;

PETALWTHS: Den exw kati sygkekrimeno na sas anaferw ayth th stigmh.

MPEKA: To Noembrio, sto dhmosiografiko site toy k. Xardabela to News bomb, yphrxe enas organismos symfwna me phges apo thn Soyhdia Scandec Org poy edine sthn Ellada xrhmatikh enisxysh ycoys 250 dis se baqos apoplhrwmhs 5 etwn me doseis me antiparoxh na doqei egkrish ereynas kai ekmetalleyshs koitasmatwn petrelaioy kai fysikoy aerioy kai to 90% twn ergazomenwn na einai Ellhnes. Einai basimh ayth h plhroforia h oxi;

PETALWTHS: To teleytaio diasthma diakinoyntai polles plhrofories kai genikws kai eidikws apo ekpompes kai apo site poy polles apo aytes einai anypostates.

GARGALAKOS: Ston prologo sas anaferqhkate se politikes toy parelqontos poy plhgwsan toys polites. Se poioys anaferosastan; Ston k. Karamanlh kai sthn diakybernhsh toy;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws sthn kybernhsh Karamanlh, giati gnwrizoyme para poly kala kai to anefera kai prohgoymenws, oti mphkame aqwrakistoi kai aproetoimastoi se mia krish kai malista me ceydh stoixeia poy dinontan oxi mono stoys etairoys alla kai stoys polites. Anti na legane alhqeies ston ellhniko lao kai stoys etairoys mas, h xwra mas poy kyberniotan apo th sygkekrimenh kybernhsh, ekrybe to problhma, me apotelesma na ftasoyme teleiws aqwrakistoi kai na zoyme twra to apokoryfwma ayths ths krishs.

Epeidh milhsate kai gia diarroes genikws, qa sas anaferw kai egw mia diarroh apo kykloys ``ypotiqetai toy prwhn Prwqypoyrgoy'' poy moy ekane megalh entypwsh kai o opoios protrepei th N.D. shmera na mhn einai synainetikh pros thn kybernhsh. Ean isxyei ayth h diarroh - me oles tis epifylajeis ths egkyrothtas aytwn twn diarrown- tote pragmatika einai na gelaei h na klaiei kaneis me ayta.

Sas eyxaristw.

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