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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 18 Maioy 2011

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 18 Maioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Ena xrono peripoy meta thn ypografh ths daneiakhs anasas twn 110 dis eyrw poy petyxame me th dhmioyrgia toy trimeroys mhxanismoy sthrijhs, exoyme allajei polla ws kybernhsh kai ws polites.

Syneidhtopoihsame oti den mporoyme na epitrepoyme th diaiwnish nootropiwn kai katastasewn poy mas odhghsan s' ena pragmatika dramatiko shmeio gia th xwra.

Kai ayta, akribws, allazoyme oloi mazi. Xrwstame stoys polites kai sthn koinwnia mas thn allagh kai pros ayto yparxoyn, pleon, apta kai sygkekrimena apotelesmata.

Gia prwth fora, meta apo kairo, opws exoyme janapei to teleytaio trimhno, exoyme pragmatikh anaptyjh kai dhmioyrgoyntai prooptikes gia synolikh anaptyjh mesa sto prwto trimhno toy 2012.

Ayto dhmioyrghqhke oxi tyxaia, oyte aytonohta, alla apo mia pragmatika ejwstrefh symperifora twn Ellhnwn poy gnwrizoyn na epixeiroyn, na emporeyontai, na ergazontai kai poy deixnoyn ton dromo ayjanontas tis ejagwges kata 35%. Parallhla, eixame kai shmantikh meiwsh twn pragmatikwn timwn poy plhrwnei o katanalwths kai ej aytoy meiwsh toy plhqwrismoy.

Fetos, exoyme shmantikes ayjhseis stis krathseis gia ton toyrismo - poy einai to sygkritiko pleonekthma ths oikonomias mas- kai gia ton opoio synhqizoyme na leme oti einai h baria mas biomhxania.

Ta shmadia ayta einai idiaitera enqarryntika, mesa s' ena topio to opoio paroysiazetai ws gkrizo. Ayta, akribws, ta apotelesmata deixnoyn oti otan yparxei prospaqeia, exoyme kai sygkekrimena apotelesmata.

Ajiopoihsame tis qysies twn Ellhnwn politwn. Periorisame drastika tis mexri protinos alogistes dapanes toy dhmosioy. Ej aytoy, petyxame kai meiwsh toy elleimmatos toy Akaqaristoy Eqnikoy Proiontos, panw apo 5 monades. Dhladh, th megalyterh meiwsh poy exei petyxei mexri twra xwra ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs. Ta stoixeia ayta einai pragmatika, ajiopista kai sobara.

Exoyme, pleon, asfalistiko systhma biwsimo ews to 2060. Ena forologiko systhma poy to allazoyme me grhgora bhmata, to opoio einai fereggyo kai synexws ejelissetai. Mesa sto 2010 epeblhqhsan prostima ycoys 3,4 dis eyrw, ayjhsh 182% se sxesh me to parelqon, kati poy katadeiknyei thn epanaleitoyrgia kai thn orqologistikh leitoyrgia twn eispraktikwn kai elegktikwn mhxanismwn.

H xwra, epiteloys, exei mpei se mia logikh entopismoy, sxediasmoy, alla kai ylopoihshs stoxwn, me safhneia, me sygkekrimena xronodiagrammata, kati poy oyte aytonohto, oyte eykolo htan, kyriws gia to prosfato parelqon.

Ola ayta eginan mesa s' ena xrono, ypo piesh, ypo prwtofaneis synqhkes dieqnoys reystothtas. Den einai oyte qewrhtikes kataskeyes, oyte aples dhlwseis, oyte ekqeseis idewn. Einai apotelesmata, poy syntoma qa exoyn kai antiktypo sthn kaqhmerinothta twn Ellhnwn politwn.

Den yparxei istoriko prohgoymeno toswn allagwn, mesa se toso mikro xroniko diasthma kai me tetoies synqhkes. Eginan giati yphrxe isxyrh politikh boylhsh kai qelhsh twn politwn gia allages. To ergo ayto oloklhrwnetai. Synexizei na oloklhrwnetai. Einai h kalyterh apanthsh poy dinoyme ws xwra, se osoys miloyn gia dhqen anapotelesmatikothta, gia dhqen apoysia apofasistikothtas.

Ofeiloyme etsi na synexisoyme, epitaxynontas akomh perissotero toys ryqmoys poy ergazomaste, spazontas oristika kaqe desmo me to parelqon, to opoio polles fores htan faylo. Ena parelqon streblwsewn, syntexniakwn nootropiwn, mikrokommatikwn kai mikropolitikwn praktikwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Yparxei sto pneyma ths dhlwshs sas mia diastash h to periqwrio mias ermhneias, oti kanete enan apologismo toy ti exei ginei mexri twra, dioti mallon pame se grhgores eklogikes ejelijeis. Dhladh, prowres ekloges. Einai etsi ta pragmata;

PETALWTHS: Safws kai den pame gia prowres ekloges. Pame na synexisoyme thn ergasia poy kanoyme gia na swqei oristika h xwra. Ayto einai dedomeno. To teleytaio poy qa mporoyse na skefqei kapoios se ayth th fash, einai ekloges. Yparxei staqerh kybernhsh, poy einai isxyrh, poy exei sxedio, orama, poy ylopoiei kai apofasizei. Ayta den einai logia, einai apotelesmata, ta opoia proerxontai apo mia sklhrh doyleia. Epanalambanw oti se ayto ton xrono, ayth h kybernhsh exei kanei terasties allages, toses poy den eginan 10eties prin. Kapote, ola ayta ta opoia kaname mesa se enamish xrono, den qa mporoysame na dianohqoyme oti qa ginoyn kan. Poso mallon na ginoyn mono se enamish xrono kai malista ypo tetoies dyskoles synqhkes. Osoi miloyn gia ekloges kai apergazontai, isws, tetoia senaria, exoyn sto myalo toys alla pragmata. Ayto einai jekaqaro. O laos empisteyqhke kai synexizei na empisteyetai to PA.SO.K., ayth thn kybernhsh. Einai jekaqaro oti shmera kamia allh politikh dynamh den qa mporoyse na eggyhqei thn ejodo apo thn krish, thn asfaleia kai th beltiwsh ths kaqhmerinothtas toy polith, mesa s` aytes tis poly dyskoles synqhkes.

MIXAHL: Eipate oti o,ti exete kanei mexri twra, einai apanthsh se osoys lene oti den eisaste apofasistikoi kai den proxwrate ta pragmata k.lp. Xqes, sto idio Synedrio poy milhse o Prwqypoyrgos, milhse kai o Ekproswpos toy DNT sthn troika, k. Tomsen kai eipe oti enw ton prwto xrono phgan kala ta pragmata, ton deytero xrono blepei shmantikes kaqysterhseis kai malista ta arnhtika na kyriarxoyn perissotero apo ta qetika. Kai gi' ayto ton logo xreiazetai pia ena se baqos sxedio metarryqmisewn. Exei dikio o k. Tomsen;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, twra kleinoyme ena xrono me to mnhmonio, me ayto to poly megalo programma poy kanoyme gia na apokthsoyme mia daneiakh anagkh twn 110 dis eyrw. Twra arxizei o deyteros xronos ayths ths terastias prospaqeias. Mporei na exoyme enamish xrono sthn kybernhsh, alla epanalambanw oti ayta poy eginan sthn Ellada ton enamish xrono, den eginan pote: Oi megales allages, o ejorqologismos. Epetai kai synexeia allagwn, poy swzoyn th xwra. Ayto den prepei na to jexname pote. Den mporoyme na skeptomaste kai na leitoyrgoyme les kai eimaste se ena keno. Apo kapoy prohlqame, apo kapoy jekinhsame ws kybernhsh. Gnwrizoyme poly kala apo poy jekinhsame kai poy qeloyme na pame. Ayto einai safes. Ennoeitai oti den qa sxoliasw ton logo toy k. Tomsen. Eipe kai alla, den eipe mono ayta, ta opoia htan poly qetika. Apo ekei kai pera, emeis exoyme mia kybernhsh h opoia lambanei yp' ocin ths ta panta. Mia kybernhsh poy anametratai kaqe mera me tis idies tis dynatothtes kai tis dynameis toy ellhnikoy laoy, poy anametratai me tis idies tis dynameis ths kybernhshs, poy exei kanei pragmatika almatwdeis yperbaseis, giati to prostagma gia th swthria ths xwras htan kai einai kyriarxo. Na mhn jexname oti ena megalo meros ap' aytes tis allages poy ginontai, den ginontai giati mas tis epiballei kapoios. Ginontai, giati etsi prepei na ginei, gia na swqei h xwra. Aytos einai o tropos kai kaneis allos, mexri stigmhs, den mas exei deijei kapoion allo tropo, para to oti bgainoyn diaforoi kai miloyn gia to ``kako mnhmonio''. To qema einai oti ta lene aytoi oi opoioi, pragmatika, odhghsan th xwra se mia dramatikh katastash, poy apaiteito na yparxei ena mnhmonio kai eytyxws poy yparxei gia na ejakoloyqei na yparxei kai h xwra. Eimaste h politikh dynamh poy exoyme tis lyseis, oi opoies einai dyskoles, epwdynes, me poly sklhrh doyleia kai ayta den prokeitai na ta xarisoyme se kanenan. Ayto einai jekaqaro.

MPEKA: Einai safes, kyrie Ekproswpe, oti h troika epimenei sth grhgorh efarmogh olwn twn metrwn poy symfwnhsate gia to mesoproqesmo kai ths ekpoihshs twn 50 dis poy zhta h kybernhsh. Kai ayto einai safestato kai me tis dhlwseis twn ajiwmatoyxwn ths troikas, toy 'Oli Ren kai toy Zan Klwnt Gioynker. Eseis, ws kybernhsh, pws antilambanesqe th synainesh poy zhtate, na elqoyn dhladh ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs kai na symfwnhsoyn panw se hdh eilhmmenes apofaseis; Eiste diateqeimenoi na akyrwsete tis entoles ths troikas kai apo mhdenikh bash na symfwnhsete se nea metra poy qa swsoyn th xwra mas;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola na jekaqarisoyme oti h troika einai ena organo, to opoio, apo thn pleyra twn pistwtwn, twn daneistwn mas, elegxei ean pragmatika throyme toys oroys mias symbashs poy ypogracame gia na paroyme ta 110 dis eyrw kai ta opoia hsan akrws anagkaia gia na mporoyme na plhrwnoyme misqoys, syntajeis, gia na mporoyn na einai anoikta ta sxoleia, ta nosokomeia, gia na mporoyme na sxediazoyme gia to mellon mas. Apo ekei kai pera, mexri ekei einai o rolos ths troikas, para poly aplos kai poly sygkekrimenos.

Oson afora sth synainesh, exoyme jekaqarisei kai to jekaqarise kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, den zhtame apo ta politika kommata na erqoyn kai na mas dwsoyn mia leykh epitagh, poly perissotero de, den zhtame na erqoyn kai na synainesoyn se ola, na poyn ``nai'' se ola, se o,ti kanoyme, alla epeidh einai eqnikh anagkaiothta ayth h synainesh. Giati ayto einai synainesh. Kai kapoioi poy prospaqoyn na mas poyn oti mas to epiballoyn ap' ejw, einai ceydestato. Gia na synaisqanqoyme epiteloys oloi mas kai na deijoyme pros ta ejw, pros to ejwteriko, se etairoys kai mh, oti exoyme antilhfqei se poio shmeio brisketai h xwra, oti exoyme antilhfqei pws qa prepei na odhghsoyme th xwra mas ejw apo thn krish. Kai kyriws qa prepei na to antilhfqei o ellhnikos laos, o opoios deixnei mia poly megalh wrimothta, alla den blepei tis politikes dynameis na exoyn synaisqanqei to megeqos ths krishs kai to megeqos ths prospaqeias poy epiballetai na kanoyme oloi. 'Ara, einai qema diko mas, kaqara qema diko mas h synainesh. Den einai qema poy epiballetai apo kapoioys tritoys, jenoys, kaloys h kakoys, opws qeloyn na to paroysiasoyn kapoioi.

To qema ths synaineshs einai stoixeiwdhs antimetwpish mias pragmatikhs katastashs kai stoixeiwdhs syneidhtopoihsh oti briskomaste se mia xwra h opoia odhghqhke apo sygkekrimenh paratajh, apo thn paratajh ths N.D., aqwrakisth se mia krish. Kai akribws, ayth th stigmh, pragmatika, einai poly lyphro na blepei o ellhnikos laos oti ayth h paratajh mas odhghse aqwrakistoys se mia dieqnh krish poy gnwrizan oi pantes oti erxetai, na kanei oti den katalabainei, na sfyrizei adiafora polles fores kai na mas kanei kai maqhmata patriwtismoy. Ola ayta qa prepei oi politikes dynameis na ta syneidhtopoihsoyn, kyriws h N.D. Giati to stoixhma den einai me toys jenoys kai me toys tritoys. To stoixhma einai me ton idio mas ton eayto, gia na mporesoyme pragmatika na deijoyme ston ellhniko lao oti syneidhtopoioyme to megeqos ths eyqynhs poy exoyme oloi, o kaqenas apo th dikh toy pleyra: kai h kybernhsh kai h antipoliteysh kai oles oi politikes dynameis. Ekei egkeitai to qema ths synaineshs kai den einai opws prospaqoyn na to paroysiasoyn kapoioi kai kyriws h N.D., prokeimenoy na ypekfeygei apo th stoixeiwdh ypoxrewsh na epistrecei ston ellhniko lao thn elpida thn opoia h idia h N.D. toy sterhse me th diakybernhsh eji xronwn.

MPEKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den qelw na protrexw, opws eipate kai xqes, alla apo eggrafo toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys, fainetai oti h kybernhsh anazhta dikhgoriko grafeio sto Londino, to opoio mallon exei brei, gia na analabei thn anaqewrhsh toy mnhmonioy, thn allagh ths daneiakhs symbashs twn 110 dis eyrw kai thn piqanh nea xrhmatodothsh ths Elladas. Sto eggrafo yparxei sxetikh apofash toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn k. G. Papakwnstantinoy gia thn aneyresh dikhgorikoy grafeioy, poy emeis opws eipame prin exoyme brei, giati ekei yparxoyn kai dyo Ellhnes dikhgoroi apestalmenoi apo esas, enw ginetai anafora sth dikhgorikh etaireia Alain Ender Overy. Ti exete na peite gi' ayto;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, den zhtame nomiko symboylo, ayto eipa kai xqes kai to lew kai shmera. Den caxnoyme nomiko symboylo gia ena neo mnhmonio, opws rwthqhka xqes h opws legetai h gia ena aoristo mellon programma. Gnwrizoyme poly kala oti yparxei ena mnhmonio, mia symbash thn opoia efarmozoyme. Ayth h symbash dexqhke tropopoihseis sth Synodo ths 25hs Martioy. Apofasisthke h epimhkynsh, dhladh na arghsoyme na epistrecoyme ta xrhmata stoys daneistes mas kata epta xronia, opws kai h meiwsh toy epitokioy. Ayto, se mia symbash poy exei hdh ypografei, xreiazetai nomikes ryqmiseis, xreiazetai mia nomikh epejergasia. Kai fysika to ellhniko dhmosio prepei na kanei ayth th doyleia me ton kalytero kai ton pio sigoyro kai egkyro, nomika, tropo.

H diereynhsh gia proslhch nomikoy symboyloy, akribws s' ayto egkeitai, sto paron mnhmonio kai den yparxei qema programmatismoy gia otidhpote allo.

MPEKA: Na symplhrwsw thn erwthsh moy;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws.

MPEKA: Den moy eipate, omws, gia thn etaireia poy sas anefera, gia thn Alain Ender Overy. Peri tinos prokeitai;

PETALWTHS: Ti na sas pw;

MPEKA: Oti anagrafetai sto epishmo eggrafo toy k. Papakwnstantinoy. H etaireia ayth ti rolo exei;

PETALWTHS: Diereynoyme, etsi wste na petyxoyme thn kalyterh nomikh lysh gia ta synqeta zhthmata, ta opoia xeirizetai kai sta opoia empleketai to ellhniko dhmosio. H diereynhsh einai sygkekrimenh. Qeloyme na exoyme thn kalyterh nomikh yposthrijh kai opoiadhpote prajh toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn se ayto to plaisio kineitai.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dromologeitai apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs kapoia prwtoboylia, eite gia Symboylio Arxhgwn, eite gia synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys arxhgoys twn allwn kommatwn, sto plaisio ayths ths peribohths synaineshs;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, emeis, gia thn ``peribohth synainesh'' eipame oti exoyme mia diarkh prosklhsh. Sto plaisio ayto, o Prwqypoyrgos exei kalesei, polles fores, toys politikoys arxhgoys na synanthqoyn. Fysika, h boylhsh ths synennohshs me toys politikoys arxhgoys paramenei anoikth, mias ki emeis eimaste, ws kybernhsh, poy kaloyme se eqnikh synennohsh. Qa ginei sto mellon. Den exei akomh apofasistei me poia morfh, alla einai sigoyro oti qa enhmerwsoyme toys politikoys arxhgoys, ta kommata gia to mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio poy etoimazoyme gia th xwra, mias kai ekteinetai mexri to 2015 h epirroh toy kai h isxys toy, jepernwntas mia kybernhtikh-koinoboyleytikh qhteia. Kai fysika qa prepei oi politikoi arxhgoi na einai enhmeroi gia tis apofaseis ths kybernhshs. Emeis, hdh, protoy kan arxisoyme na epejergazomaste kai na syntassoyme ayto to mesoproqesmo sxedio, eixame kalesei toys politikoys arxhgoys, eixame kalesei ta kommata se synennohsh na kataqesoyn tis protaseis toys, kati poy ta megalytera kommata aperrican. Kai bebaia, ayto einai ena qema gia to pws antilambanetai kaneis thn eyqynh toy.

SPANOY: Den einai akribes ayto poy eipate, oti h synainesh den ypagoreyetai ejwqen. Dhladh, se dhmosies dhlwseis poy akoysa xqes kai tis akoysame oloi, eipwqhke oti einai oros gia thn ektamieysh ths 5hs doshs toy Ioynioy...

PETALWTHS: Tinos dhmosies dhlwseis;

SPANOY: Toy Epitropoy k. 'Oli Ren. Twra, gia th synainesh metajy ths kybernhshs kai ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs: Eixate kapoia allh epikoinwnia me ekproswpoys twn daneistwn kai sas dieykrinisan oti den to ennooysan, alla htan mia rhtorikh yperbolh;

PETALWTHS: Oxi emeis, alla yparxei dhlwsh toy k. Altafaz, toy ekproswpoy toy k. Ren, o opoios akribws ejhgei oti h synainesh den einai oros kai proypoqesh gia na yparxei epikyrwsh ths opoias apofashs ths troika. Ayto einai sigoyro. Emeis, apo thn prwth stigmh leme - epanalambanw gia pollosth fora- oti h synainesh den einai qema poy epiballetai apo ejw kai apo kanenan. Ayto to blepoyn oloi osoi qeloyn na rijoyn tis eyqynes apo panw toys kai na tis rijoyn se kapoioys ``kakoys, tritoys jenoys'', toys opoioys bebaia jexnoyn pws an den hsan aytoi kai an den ginotan h poly megalh doyleia poy kaname, den qa eixame ayth th daneiakh anasa, poy htan aparaithth gia th leitoyrgia ths xwras mas. H synainesh epiballetai apo tis idies tis peristaseis. H eqnikh synennohsh einai mia eqnikh anagkaiothta. Kai osoi mporoyn ayto na to antilhfqoyn, to antilambanontai. Oi ypoloipoi einai ypologoi apenanti ston ellhniko lao.

MIXAHL: Ep' aytoy, kyrie Ekproswpe.

PETALWTHS: Malista.

MIXAHL: Epeidh den mporei na einai kati aoristo h synainesh, poia morfh mporei na parei; Mias politikhs symfwnias epi twn basikwn kateyqynsewn toy mnhmonioy; Mia morfh eyryterhs kybernhtikhs synergasias h mia koinoboyleytikh yposthrijh; Giati to na syzhtame genikws gia synainesh, oloi mporei na poyn ``nai'', alla h morfh paizei shmantiko rolo.

PETALWTHS: To qema omws einai oti den lene ``nai''. Prwta ap' ola, den yparxei qema oyte kybernhtikhs synergasias, ayto den einai synainesh, ayto einai sygkybernhsh. Emeis milame gia eqnikh synennohsh, panw se sygkekrimena zhthmata, se mia bash analhchs ths eyqynhs apenanti ston ellhniko lao. Ayto einai safes. To exoyme jekaqarisei apo thn arxh. Den exei na kanei me opoiadhpote alla senaria. Twra, to pws qa dwsei kapoios thn synainesh toy, einai qema diko toy. Kai antilambanomaste oloi apo th symperifora twn kommatwn poios thn ennoei th synainesh, ti boylhsh yparxei, ti diaqesh analhchs twn eyqynwn gia ton diko toys rolo exoyn oi politikes dynameis.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, me dedomeno oti h Eyrwph piezei politika me ton diko ths tropo kai oikonomika, me dedomeno epishs oti o k. Samaras leei ``oxi'' se leykh epitagh poy zhta h kybernhsh, pws eseis antilambanesqe oti qa pate se ayth th synainesh, th stigmh poy yparxoyn ola ayta diogkwmena ta problhmata; Qa parete monoi sas thn eyqynh na proxwrhsete mprosta h qa apeyqynqeite ston lao;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, thn eyqynh thn exoyme parei edw kai 18 mhnes. Phrame thn eyqynh na kanoyme poly pio dyskola pragmata ap' ayta poy kanoyme mexri stigmhs, na paroyme apofaseis poy hsan kaqoristikes gia to mellon ths idias ths xwras kai fainetai pws oi apofaseis aytes exoyn kai sygkekrimena apotelesmata.

Prosfygh sto lao, shmainei ekloges. Epanalambanw oti den yparxei kamia tetoia skech. Epanalambanw oti tis ekloges tis skeptontai kai tis diakinoyn monon osoi qeloyn na qolwsoyn to topio, na qolwsoyn ta nera kai na mhn analaboyn tis eyqynes poy exoyn apo to Syntagma, alla kai apo th dikh toys diakybernhsh, h opoia, pragmatika, htan katastrofikh gia th xwra.

Emeis eimaste edw. Emeis kanoyme th doyleia mas. Ayto poy emeis qeloyme, einai oles oi politikes dynameis, pragmati, na epideijoyn th megalh eyqynh kai th synepeia poy exoyme apenanti ston ellhniko lao.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dierwtwmai, blepontas edw kai hmeres toys qesmikoys paragontes ths E.E. na probainoyn se dhlwseis peri synaineshs, an kat` arxhn kybernhsh kai oi ekproswpoi twn pistwtwn mas -h o k. Ren h o k. Zan Klont Gioynker- briskontai sthn idia oxqh. Dhladh, aphxoyn tis qeseis ths kybernhshs oi dhlwseis toy k. Ren kai toy Gioynker; Prwto erwthma.

PETALWTHS: Oi kyrioi Ren kai Gioynker den einai melh ths kybernhshs. Einai etairoi mas, oi opoioi kanoyn th doyleia toys apo th dikh toys pleyra. Gi` ayto leme oti h eyqynh einai dikh mas, toy dikoy mas politikoy kosmoy, edw, ths Elladas, na antilhfqei to poy briskomaste, poy briskomastan, poy exoyme fqasei mexri twra kai posa bhmata mas menoyn gia na jeperasoyme thn krish. An perimenoyme apo kapoioys jenoys, ektos Ellados, na antilhfqoyn to megeqos ths krishs, na mas swsoyn teleiws anejoda, na peisoyn ta Koinoboylia toys - aytoi oi ``kakoi jenoi''- oti qa prepei na daneisoyn jana thn Ellada kapoia dis eyrw, poso aneyqyno einai, na mhn mporoyn na to syneidhtopoihsoyn oi dikes mas politikes dynameis; Na mhn mporoyn na to syneidhtopoihsoyn, poso mallon, aytoi, poy ena meros twn politikwn dynamewn eyqynontai gi` ayta poy pername shmera; Epiteloys, qa prepei na fanoyme synepeis, na fanoyme sobaroi, ypeyqynoi. Na stamathsoyme na ta rixnoyme se kapoioys jenoys. Na antilhfqoyme oti dikh mas ypoxrewsh einai na jeperasoyme thn krish. Ypoxrewsh dikh mas einai na dhmioyrgoyme ekeines tis synqhkes asfaleias, etsi wste na peiqoyme gia thn ajiopistia mas kai gia poion logo prepei kai oi etairoi mas na analaboyn thn eyqynh gia bohqeia kai na mas bohqhsoyn na jeperasoyme thn krish. Pws erxontai shmera politikes dynameis - kai anaferomai pio sygkekrimena sth N.D., poy einai ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh- kai kaloyn toys etairoys mas na bohqhsoyn sto jeperasma ths krishs, jexnwntas dyo pragmata: Otan prwton, ayth thn krish th dhmioyrghse h N.D, kai mas ebale aqwrakistoys s` aythn. Kai deyteron, pws h N.D. exei apaithsh apo ta Koinoboylia twn jenwn xwrwn, na perasoyn ena programma sthrijhs ths Elladas, otan to basiko komma ths antipoliteyshs einai enantio sta perissotera oswn ginontai shmera sth xwra mas; Ara, einai qema mias stoixeiwdoys synaisqhshs ths politikhs eyqynhs kai toy baroys poy exoyme oloi mas, kaqenas apo thn pleyra toy.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws loipon ayth h synaisqhsh afora kai sto diko sas eswteriko; Giati eidame shmera kybernhtika stelexh na balloyn kata toy k. Ren, gia to periexomeno fantazomai, twn oswn eipe. Gia paradeigma o k. Pagkalos to prwi se thleoptikh ekpomph eipe oti ``to montelo toy k. Ren emena me briskei apolyta antiqeto''.

PETALWTHS: Yparxei kybernhsh h opoia exei sygkekrimenes apofaseis, kanei ena sygkekrimeno ergo kai to exei apodeijei. Kai fysika, me apospasmatikes apostrofes, apo thn ekfora enos logoy kapoiwn, mesa se ekpompes, den apajiwnetai kai den amayrwnetai tipota. Tis apoceis mas, tis eixame kai qa tis exoyme oloi mas. To qema einai ti akribws kanei h kybernhsh. Apo ayto ajiologeitai synolika, syllogika kai kamia fwnh den qa fimwqei giati pername mia krish. Kai ayto, fysika, poly perissotero, den to zhtame kai apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs. Emeis den leme oti qa prepei na stamathsoyn na exoyn tis antirrhseis toys, tis enstaseis toys h tis amfisbhthseis toys gia o,ti ginetai. Alla, to stoixeiwdes politiko kaqhkon olwn mas, qa prepei na to prattoyme sto akeraio. Kai ayth h kybernhsh me ta apotelesmata poy exoyme, me to pws fqasame meta apo 18 mhnes na exoyme mia xwra, h opoia exei mia sxetikh asfaleia kai prospaqei kai proxwraei pros thn anaptyjh kai ara, pros th meiwsh ths anergias apo edw kai pera, pros mia prooptikh gia ton idio ton ellhniko lao, apodeiknyei ti pragmatika kanoyme kai pws aisqanomaste kai emeis thn eyqynh mas. Apo ekei krinomaste, sto telos.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Prwqypoyrgos kai xqes anaferqhke sto kratos kai milhse gia meiwsh aytoy toy kratoys kata 20% kai malista, oti qa breqoyn 150.000 ligoteroi dhmosioi ypallhloi. Ti synepagetai ayto;

PETALWTHS: Mexri to 2015, eipe o Prwqypoyrgos.

Prwta ap` ola, gia tis terasties paqogeneies toy kratikoy mhxanismoy kai toy kratoys, etsi opws eixe domhqei mesa apo tis pelateiakes sxeseis, mesa apo thn elleich orqologismoy, ajiologhshs kai to gnwrizoyme -oxi mono qewrhtika- alla kai to yfistameqa ws Ellhnes polites, kaqe mera. Giati, akribws, einai etsi domhmenos o kratikos mhxanismos poy na mhn ajiopoiei tis poly spoydaies dynameis tis opoies diaqetei. Na mhn ajiopoiei toys poroys poy analwnontai kai dapanwntai apo to ysterhma, polles fores, toy ellhnikoy laoy gi` ayton ton kratiko mhxanismo. Kai emeis, akribws, hrqame kai bazoyme tajh se ola ayta.

Gi` ayto kaname ton ``Kallikrath''.

Gi` ayto kanoyme tis terasties, prwtofaneis peristoles dapanwn, edw kai enamish xrono.

Gi` ayto kanoyme sygxwneyseis organismwn.

Gi` ayto exoyme mia sygkekrimenh politikh symperifora apenanti stis DEKO kai sta pronomia poy kateixan kapoioi dhmosioi ypallhloi s` aytes.

Kai ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos oti qeloyme sto telos toy 2015 na metraei to ellhniko dhmosio ligoteroys ypallhloys, kata 150.000, den shmainei ep` oydeni oti milhse gia apolyseis. Milhse gia metatajeis oi opoies ginontai, polles apo tis opoies einai eqeloysies, alla kai gia syntajiodothseis dhmosiwn ypallhlwn, oi opoioi me ton kanona 1 pros 5, opws exoyme qesei, den qa anaplhrwnontai ston idio baqmo.

Emeis, exoyme ypoxrewsh na kanoyme ena kratos, to opoio qa einai eyelikto, to opoio qa einai swsto. To kanoyme me tropo grhgoro, sygkrothmeno, giati exoyme na kanoyme me paqogeneies pollwn dekaetiwn toy idioy toy kratoys kai leitoyrgikes, alla kai paqogeneies nootropias. Kai to kanoyme me ena tropo, etsi wste to kratos na epitelei to syntagmatiko kai nomimo rolo toy, poy na einai sthn yphresia toy polith. Na jodeyei tosa osa xreiazetai gia na paragei ta kalytera apotelesmata. Kai ayto prospaqoyme na kanoyme, kati poy fysika den einai kaqoloy eykolo. Alla me poly megala bhmata poy eginan, me poly megales tomes kai diarqrwtikes apofaseis poy sxediazoyme kai ylopoioyme, sto telos qa exoyme ena kratos poy pragmatika kai qa sebetai ton Ellhna polith kai qa bohqaei sthn ejycwsh kai anycwsh toy biotikoy epipedoy, sthn paragwgikothta kai stis ependyseis.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mia dieykrinish qa hqela kai egw, sxetika me th xqesinh omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy ston Economist. O k. Papandreoy ekane logo akomh kai gia ejaleich toy meridioy toy kratoys se eishgmenes DEKO, opws h DEH. Hqela na rwthsw, an exei allajei kati ws pros thn arxikh qesh ths kybernhshs, h opoia - an den kanw laqos- leei oti o dhmosios elegxos paramenei sto kratos.

PETALWTHS: Ws pros th DEH, qa parameinei o dhmosios elegxos. Alla, ola ayta einai prowra, giati se liges hmeres qa perasei apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio to Mesoproqesmo Strathgiko Sxedio, kai qa akoloyqhqoyn oles oi apaitoymenes diadikasies. Mesa sto Mesoproqesmo Strathgiko Sxedio entassoyme ena poly megalo plegma apokratikopoihsewn. Qa yparxei plhrhs kai leptomerhs katagrafh twn apofasewn poy qa paroyme se sxesh me aytoys toys organismoys.

MPOTWNHS: Exete atzenta h na mas peite dyo pragmata, giati o Prwqypoyrgos synanthqhke twra me ton k. Kapelerh kai ton k. Diwth;

PETALWTHS: Aytes einai synanthseis-synergasies toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes dyo melh ths kybernhshs milhsan, toylaxiston oson afora gia hpia anadiarqrwsh, gia prwth fora, o k. Spyros Koybelhs, an den kanw laqos, apo thn Kina, gia epimhkynsh...

PETALWTHS: O k. Koybelhs, to dieceyse me anakoinwsh poy ejedwse, dieykrinizontas ti ennooyse.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kai gia epimhkynsh, poy milhse h k. Katselh, einai sthn atzenta, einai sto trapezi olo ayta;

PETALWTHS: Sto trapezi den einai tipota ap` ola ayta. H k. Katselh eipe mia qewrhtikh ekdoxh kai tipota allo. Ayto poy einai sto trapezi, sthn atzenta ths kybernhshs, einai h poly sklhrh doyleia poy xreiazetai gia na bgaloyme thn xwra apo thn krish, kaqws kai h ylopoihsh toy programmatos poy hdh trexei. Mono me ayta asxoleitai h kybernhsh. Ola ta alla, einai qewrhtikes anazhthseis, oi opoies einai skorpies. Kati tetoio, den einai oyte stis skeceis, oyte sto ergo ths kybernhshs kai poly perissotero stis apofaseis ths.

Sas eyxaristw.

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