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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 17 Maioy 2011

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 17 Maioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Sto xqesino Ypoyrgiko Symboylio anakoinwqhkan oi parembaseis gia to kentro ths Aqhnas, sto plaisio mias synolikhs kai polypleyrhs antilhchs gia thn anazwogonhsh toy kentroy, poy stoxeyei sthn pragmatikh toy anagennhsh.

Antimetwpizoyme ena problhma polyparagontiko, polyploko, me ton tropo poy ofeiloyme na to antimetwpisoyme, dhladh, me synolikes kai oxi apospasmatikes lyseis. Me antimetwpish twn aitiwn kai oxi twn symptwmatwn. Me bash thn antilhch ayth oplizoyme toys armodioys foreis me sxedia drashs poy ejasfalizoyn thn kalyterh dynath synergasia kai syntonismo, wste na epitygxanetai apotelesmatikothta kai na apofeygontai oi allhlepikalyceis armodiothtwn.

Proxwrame se oysiastika kai kainotoma metra, ta opoia den antimetwpizoyn to kentro ths Aqhnas ws ena problhma astynomikhs, mono, fyshs, alla me tomes anaptyjiakes, poleodomikes, periballontikes kai politismikes.

Antimetwpizoyme to problhma ths asfaleias poy einai kai to megalytero, poy gia mas einai aytonohto, me kaqhmerines peripolies, genikeymenes astynomikes epixeirhseis kai me sygkekrimena metra.

Parexoyme shmantika kinhtra, forologika kai alla, gia thn enisxysh ths katoikias, ths ergasias, ths ekpaideyshs, ths agoras, ths cyxagwgias kai toy politismoy sto kentro ths Aqhna, wste na exoyme epiteloys ena diaforetiko kentro.

Me forologikh apallagh gia to kostos apokatastashs ktiriwn, me meiwsh foroy metabibashs, me thn ekptwsh misqwmatos gia thn egkatastash grafeiwn, me thn metatroph palaiwn jenodoxeiwn se foithtikes esties, wste kai pali to kentro ths Aqhnas na gemisei zwh.

Parexoyme ta ergaleia gia thn poleodomikh anaplash toy kentroy, se sygxrones kateyqynseis, me thn anaplash twn plateiwn toy Agioy Pantelehmona kai Attikhs, me thn pilotikh efarmogh apokatastashs ths perioxhs Geranioy, me thn metatroph ths odoy Eyripidoy se dromo paradosiakoy emporioy, me th dhmioyrgia diktyoy podhlatodromwn.

Oi parembaseis gia to kentro ths Aqhnas anadeiknyoyn mia antilhch poy arneitai thn aploysteytikh antimetwpish, poy syxna xrhsimeyei mono gia logoys proxeiroys kai mikropolitikoys, poy epikentrwnei sta symptwmata kai oxi stis aities.

Emeis anadeiknyoyme tis aities kai briskoyme s' aytes th lysh. Prowqoyme mia antilhch poy einai sth bash ths oysiastikh kai politikh, epidiwkontas na anairesei adynamies 10etiwn oloklhrwn kai na apokatasthsei sto kentro ths Aqhnas oysiastikh anaptyjh, asfaleia kai poiothta zwhs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mporeite na mas dieykrinisete ti akribws dihmeifqh, xqes, sto Eurogroup kai ti akribws mas zhtoyn oi etairoi mas gia to epomeno xroniko diasthma, wste na paroyme kai thn epomenh dosh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola na poyme oti egine mia ektetamenh syzhthsh gia thn Portogalia, opoy elhfqhsan kai apofaseis, kai fysika egine kai mia ektetamenh syzhthsh kai gia th xwra mas. Den elhfqh kamia apofash. H ajiologhsh ths troika den exei akomh oloklhrwqei. Egine, omws, mia syzhthsh sthn opoia epishmanqhkan h poly megalh, shmantikh proodos poy yparxei, gia thn oikonomikh prosarmogh kai gia thn thrhsh twn stoxwn mas. Bebaiws, apaiteitai beltiwsh, apaiteitai symplhrwsh kai taxythta, etsi wste na mporoyme na eimaste pio synepeis stoys stoxoys, oi opoioi einai poly dyskoloi kai fysika lambanomenoy yp' och kai toy dieqnoys periballontos, to opoio safws einai problhmatiko kai den einai to kalytero. Apo ekei kai pera ejhghqhke kai sto Eurogroup apo ton ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy, oti eimaste ston sxediasmo enos mesoproqesmoy strathgikoy sxedioy, to opoio se liges meres qa perasei apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai qa katateqei sth Boylh. Mesa s' ayto to sxedio ejhghqhke oti yparxei ena poly megalo anaptyjiako meros, yparxoyn oi apokratikopoihseis kai fysika oles ekeines oi energeies, etsi wste na mporesoyme na sxediasoyme thn anaptyjiakh prooptikh ths xwras mexri to 2015.

KOYTRAS: Qelw na sas rwthsw na dieykrinisete, an gnwrizete, an zhthqhke h eggrafh synainesh twn kommatwn gia na proxwrhsei to sygkekrimeno programma kai ean to programma epestrafh ston k. Papakwnstantinoy gia na yparxoyn beltiwseis, kaqws oi etairoi mas den peisqhkan gia tis proqeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola gia na jekaqarisoyme to qema ths synaineshs: Den yparxei kanena qema epibolhs kai den qa mporoyse na yparxei. H synainesh omws einai mia aparaithth eswterikh diadikasia. Afora emas, den afora toys jenoys. Giati akribws emeis qa prepei na dwsoyme thn eikona oti exoyme antilhfqei oloi, kyriws oi kyries politikes dynameis, se ti katastash briskotan h xwra mas, se ti katastash brisketai kai oti exoyme antilhfqei kai th sobarothta, alla kai toys tropoys ejodoy apo thn krish. Einai, loipon, diko mas eswteriko zhthma, kai ayto akribws prepei na anadeijoyme. To na yparxei mia eikona opoy fainetai - gia entelws mikropolitikoys kai mikrokommatikoys logoys - diafores politikes dynameis na erxontai kai na arnoyntai ek prooimioy th synainesh, ayto einai blaptiko gia thn idia th xwra kai fysika ayth h eikona den tima kanenan mas. Einai gnwsto oti briskomaste se mia krish. To gnwrizoyn oi polites, to yfistantai oi polites, oi politikes dynameis den mporoyn na ypoleipontai ayths ths poly megalhs prospaqeias poy kanei o idios o ellhnikos laos. Ara, to zhthma einai se mas kai oxi se kapoioys, poy ypotiqetai mas epiballoyn th synainesh. H synainesh einai mia prajh, einai mia diadikasia sthn opoia emeis exoyme kalesei, ws kybernhsh, edw kai 18 mhnes, kyriws thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, alla kai oles tis politikes kai koinwnikes dynameis. Kai fysika h synainesh den einai synainesh sto Koinoboylio h se mia chfoforia mono. Einai mia kaqhmerinh prajh, mia kaqhmerinh logikh kai praktikh twn politikwn dynamewn, oi opoies akribws qa prepei na apodeiknyoyme kaqe mera oti exoyme antilhfqei, epiteloys, poy briskomaste kai poso shmantikos einai o rolos mas sto na jeperasei h xwra ayth thn krish, h opoia einai prwtofanhs.

KOYTRAS: Den moy apanthsate, an ayto to mesoproqesmo sxedio poy paroysiase o k. Papakwnstantinoy, epeise toy etairoys mas.

PETALWTHS: To mesoproqesmo sxedio, safws kai epeise. Den yparxei qema epistrofhs, opws moy qetete. To mesoproqesmo sxedio se liges meres qa katateqei. Einai ena plhres sxedio, akribws gia thn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish, me poly megales tomes, me apokratikopoihseis kai me diorqwseis oi opoies eprepe na exoyn ginei edw kai polles dekaeties. Fysika, exoyme mprosta mas poly ergo gia thn ylopoihsh toy. Ekei akribws krinomaste, sto poso antilambanomaste oloi thn krish sthn opoia briskomaste, oti qa prepei na symballoyme sthn prooptikh ths xwras mas. Kai emeis dinoyme thn eykairia se olo ton politiko kosmo, mesa apo to mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio, na symballoyn me protaseis, me idees kai me thn chfish toy, fysika, alla ayto einai isws to teleytaio. Oi protaseis, oi idees kai h kaqhmerinh praktikh einai h idia h synainesh. Apo ekei kai pera, deixnoyme san Ellada oti exoyme xarajei ena dromo. Kai to megalo stoixhma gia oloys mas, kyriws gia thn kybernhsh fysika, einai na petyxainoyme toys stoxoys poy qetoyme. Emeis desmeyomaste oti qa ylopoioyme toys stoxoys. Epanalambanw, gia allh mia fora, oti an ylopoioyme toys stoxoys poy qetoyme, toso mesa apo to programma poy akoloyqoyme, oso kai mesa apo to mesoproqesmo poy qa klhqei na chfisei to Koinoboylio, tote den exoyme na fobomaste tipote apolytws, tote den yparxei kanena qema epibolhs apo kanenan kai gia tipota.

KEXAGIA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na to qesw ligo diaforetika: Se periptwsh poy den yparjei ayth h epiqymhth synainesh apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs kai dh apo to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, oi Eyrwpaioi etairoi mas, den qa mas dwsoyn thn epomenh dosh; Dhladh, einai oros kai proapaitoymeno ths sthrijhs mas, h synainesh, gia toys etairoys mas;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxoyn oroi kai proapaitoymena, ayto einai jekaqaro. Gia mas yparxei, omws, ena qema: Oti qa prepei epiteloys na dwsoyme oloi thn aisqhsh pws antilambanomaste poy briskomaste. Kai gia na eimai pio safhs, na to katasthsw pio safes, eidika aytoi oi opoioi oligwrhsan qa prepei pragmatika na einai akomh pio ypeyqynoi apo kapoies alles politikes dynameis. Giati, akribws, ena poly megalo meros ths krishs, to biwnoyme logw ths mh efarmoghs mias swsths politikhs, ola ayta ta xronia poy h kybernhsh htan sta xeria ths N.D. Alimono, an den antilambanomaste poy briskomaste kai alimono an h N.D. breqei sth logikh oti ``den synainw, giati kaneis den mporei na moy pei na synainesw'', ean den exoyme thn efarmogh enos oloklhrwmenoy sxedioy, etsi opws to proteinei h N.D. Qa prepei th synainesh na mhn thn qetoyme oyte eikonika, oyte prosxhmatika, alla prepei na thn ennooyme. H synainesh einai apaitoymeno gia thn idia th xwra. Thn apaitei o idios o ellhnikos laos, o opoios qelei safws na dei tis politikes dynameis na exoyn toylaxiston mia koinh synistamenh, anejarthta apo tis epimeroys proseggiseis kai fysika na deijoyme oti antilambanomaste poy briskomaste.

MIXAHL: Ikanopoiei thn kybernhsh h topoqethsh toy k. Samara pros ta stelexh toy, shmera to prwi, oti symfwnei me thn kybernhsh kai to mesoproqesmo programma, ws pros toys stoxoys, diafwnei, omws, ws pros tis epiloges kai tis proteraiothtes;

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw, oti ta kommata exoyn tis dikes toys proseggiseis. Ayto einai kai sebasto kai logiko kai aytonohto. Emeis den qeloyme na epibaloyme se kanena komma na yioqethsei tis dikes mas politikes. Giati ean oi politikes htan koines, den qa yphrxan kai polla kommata. Qa htan ena komma, me mia koinh politikh. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Yparxei, omws, mia diadikasia, h opoia einai diadikasia dialogoy. S` ayton ton dialogo, einai alhqeia kai se aythn thn prosklhsh gia dialogo den proshlqe h N.D. Thn aperrice amesws. Exei, omws, h N.D. akomh tis eykairies na apodeijei oti antilambanetai tis megales eyqynes poy exei apenanti ston ellhniko lao, ws komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Qa akoloyqhsei h koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Prin thn chfish sthn Olomeleia, yparxoyn oi Epitropes, stis opoies qa syzhthqei kai qa epejergastei to mesoproqesmo. Exoyn polles eykairies kai h N.D., alla kai oi ypoloipes politikes dynameis, na deijoyn oti antilambanontai, na deijoyn th synainesh sthn prajh, xwris na egkataleipoyn fysika tis idiaiteres proseggiseis toys.

MIXAHL: Kai kati akoma, an moy epitrepete. Eipate epi lejei oti prepei oloi na katalaboyme oti prepei na ylopoioyme toys stoxoys kai tote den prepei na fobomaste tipota, symballontas sthn prooptikh gia th xwra kai bebaiws efarmozontas tis epiloges, wste h xwra, pragmati, na parei to dromo gia thn ejodo apo thn krish. To problhma brisketai sto oti h kybernhsh eiste eseis. Kai mexri twra, fainetai oti ena megalo meros ths kybernhshs sas den exei ylopoihsei aytoys toys stoxoys. Ayto pws qa to antimetwpisete;

PETALWTHS: Einai jekaqaro oti yparxoyn polla periqwria beltiwshs, alla, den mporoyme na poyme oti den ylopoioyme toys stoxoys. Den mporoyme na mhdenizoyme, otan den yparxei allh kybernhsh poy na exei ylopoihsei tosoys stoxoys se ena toso synqeto kai malista para poly syntomo politiko xrono.

To oti meiwqhke to elleimma panw apo 5 monades ayth h kybernhsh to ekane, me ayth th synqesh. Sto oti o ``Kallikraths'' einai mia epanastatikh tomh gia na mporesei, epiteloys, na jemplokaristei to dhmosio, ayth h kybernhsh to ekane. Sto oti fernoyme forologika nomosxedia ta opoia allazoyn to forologiko periballon, ayth h kybernhsh to ekane. Sto oti blepoyme thn ygeia teleiws diaforetika kai prospaqoyme na apemplakoyme apo ayth th saqrothta poy yphrxe ta teleytaia xronia sto systhma ygeias, h kybernhsh toy PA.SO.K. to kanei. Kai mporoyme na sas anaferoyme dekades periptwseis, opoy pragmatika to ergo poy exoyme kanei se molis 18 mhnes, alles kybernhseis den qa mporoysan na to kanoyn kai den to ekanan fysika, se oloklhres dekaeties. Ara, as mhn mhdenizoyme kai as mhn isopedwnoyme. Emeis, eimaste oi prwtoi poy leme oti yparxoyn periqwria beltiwshs, yparxoyn periqwria epitaxynshs. Alla, ayta poy exoyn ginei mesa se ena toso dyskolo dieqnes oikonomiko periballon, kapoioi den qa mporoysan oyte na to fantastoyn. Ayto einai jekaqaro.

MPEKA: Sxetika me ta metra poy anakoinwse xqes h kybernhsh gia to kentro twn Aqhnwn, h kybernhsh pote skopeyei na qesei epishma kai epitaktika sthn E.E. thn allagh ths symbashs ``Doyblino 2'' poy eixe ypografei otan htan ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn o Giwrgos Papandreoy h qa katanthsei kai ayto san thn periptwsh ``Awos'' poy den tolmaei kaneis na brei lysh;

PETALWTHS: Eimaste oi prwtoi kai oi monoi poy milhsame toso jekaqara, gia to ``Doyblino 2''. Eimaste oi prwtoi poy qetoyme thn allagh ths efarmoghs toy ``Doyblino 2'' mesa stis ellhnikes, toylaxiston, synqhkes. Fysika, otan ypografhkan ola ayta, yphrxe ena teleiws diaforetiko dieqnes periballon. H idia h prajh kai h idia h anagkaiothta mas kanei akribws na zhthsoyme allagh toy ``Doyblino 2'' gia na mhn yfistatai h Ellada tis arnhtikes synepeies, tis opoies yfistatai logw ths laqraias eisrohs metanastwn kai ths mh dynatothtas na perasoyn se alles xwres ths Eyrwphs. Emeis den aporriptoyme synolika to ``Doyblino 2''. Otan ypografhke, safws kai eprepe na ginei. Htan mia eyrwpaikh politikh, alla sthn prajh blepoyme oti yparxoyn adynamies. Blepoyme oti h Ellada yfistatai arnhtikes synepeies. Kai gia prwth fora, ayth h ellhnikh kybernhsh htan poy eqese kai metetrece to zhthma ths metanasteyshs -ths laqraias eisrohs metanastwn- apo ellhniko se eyrwpaiko. To qesame kai petyxame kai me th Frontex h opoia exei erqei kai peripolei sta ellhnika synora, alla kai me sygkekrimenes energeies qa apaithsoyme akomh perissotera, etsi wste h E.E. na analabei tis eyqynes ths apenanti s` ayto to meizon problhma poy exei dhmioyrghqei gia thn Ellada.

MPEKA: Pws sxoliazete tis plhrofories oti dikhgoriko grafeio toy Londinoy epejergazetai ena neo mnhmonio gia thn Ellada, opws eixe symbei kai me to mnhmonio 1; Ti symbainei;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei neo mnhmonio gia thn Ellada. Den yparxei neo programma. As mhn protrexoyme. Emeis, ws xwra, exoyme sobarothta kai ypeyqynothta. Antilambanomaste to megalo xreos poy mas emelle: Na swsoyme th xwra apo thn krish. Kai gi` ayto leme oti qa prepei, epiteloys, kai kapoioi alloi na to antilhfqoyn. Emeis, prospaqoyme na kanoyme oles ekeines tis prajeis, me plhrh diafaneia, oi opoies pragmatika qa bohqhsoyn sth swthria ths xwras. Alla, na mhn protrexoyme. Den yparxei mnhmonio 2 kai poly perissotero, den yparxei kapoios poy to epejergazetai nomika.

XIDIROGLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ekana xqes mia prwth anagnwsh sto ``Sxedio Drashs gia thn Aqhna''. Kai ektos apo mpolikh politikh orqothta, den eida oysia. Ti ennow: Eida polles fores toys oroys ``entajh'' kai ``enswmatwsh''. Den eida, omws, tipota gia apelaseis, th stigmh poy kai eseis qa symfwnhsete, ypoqetw, oti yparxei terastios ariqmos laqrometanastwn sthn Aqhna, kati to opoio klimakwse thn egklhmatikothta. Qa yparjoyn apelaseis; Skopeyei h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei se apelaseis toy yperariqmoy ariqmoy laqrometanastwn;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, h kybernhsh hrqe na allajei to megalo zhthma ths diadikasias gia th xorhghsh asyloy. Yphrxan kai limnazan dekades xiliades aithsewn gia xorhghsh politikoy asyloy apo th xwra mas. Kai otan me ena pistopoihtiko oi laqraia erxomenoi elegan oti exoyn kataqesei aithma gia xorhghsh politikoy asyloy, htan eleyqeroi, akatagraptoi kai me oles tis synepeies. Dhladh, na ginontai qytes kai qymata pollwn katastasewn. Ayto, epiteloys, allazei. Emeis eimaste poy dhmioyrgoyme mia poly pio grhgorh kai poly pio orqologistikh diadikasia, gia thn ejetash aytwn twn aithsewn. Kai fysika, ginontai kai qa ginontai oles ekeines oi diadikasies mesw toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, toy ypoyrgeioy Prostasias toy Polith, alla kai olwn twn synarmodiwn forewn, etsi wste na stamathsei na yparxei ayto to aparadekto fainomeno. Ta aithmata gia th xorhghsh politikoy asyloy na ejetazontai pio grhgora kai na mhn apoteloyn mia prosxhmatikh diadikasia, etsi wste aytoi poy pragmatika dikaioyntai asylo, symfwna me th Symbash ths Geneyhs, na mporoyn na to lambanoyn kai na mhn yparxei kanena prosxhma. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei kai qa yparxei poly pio entonh synergasia me tis presbeies twn xwrwn poy stelnoyn metanastes edw sth xwra mas, etsi wste na epistrefoyn pisw sthn patrida toys, gia na stamathsei ayto to fainomeno, dhladh, na einai ta panta akatagrapta. Na einai h xwra mas mia xwra poy dexetai oxi typika - xwris kamia politikh poy den yphrxe mexri twra - alla oysiastika, anqrwpoys ap` oles tis xwres toy kosmoy. Eimaste h prwth kybernhsh poy organwnoyme kai syntonizoyme mia metanasteytikh politikh. Qa hqela, omws, na anaferw oti to problhma toy kentroy ths Aqhnas den exei sxesh mono me th metanasteysh. Einai poly pio eyry, einai poly pio synqeto kai alimono an meinoyme ekei. Oson afora, omws ayto poy me rwtate, yparxei plhres sxedio. Einai to sxedio kyriws toy ypoyrgeioy Prostasias toy Polith me th bohqeia, omws, toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, gia na yparxoyn oi aparaithtes diadikasies.

BITALHS: Me bash ayta poy eipate, kyrie Ekproswpe, moy gennatai mia aporia. Ti nohma tote exoyn ayta poy ejaggelqhkan xqes kai aforoyn pera apo tis diadikasies astynomeyshs poy lete oti qa yparxoyn, dhladh, ayjhmenh paroysia ths astynomias klp, oi epixeirhseis elegxoy, dhladh, ayto poy leme xontrika ``epixeirhsh skoypa''. Ti qa ginontai aytoi oi anqrwpoi poy entopizontai xwris ta aparaithta xartia kai dikaiologhtika gia na paramenoyn sth xwra; Akoysa me poly prosoxh ayta poy eipate kai einai endiaferonta. Alla, yparxei kai ayto to zhthma etsi opws exei teqei, toylaxiston, apo osa anakoinwqhkan xqes.

PETALWTHS: H apanthsh poy edwsa prohgoymenws einai apanthsh kai pros esas. Den mporoyme pleon na anextoyme aytes tis katastaseis, oi opoies htan synhqeis katastaseis me akatagraptoys anqrwpoys poy periferontai sth xwra mas kai na dhmioyrgeitai olh ayth h katastash kai na yparxoyn qytes kai qymata apo oles tis pleyres. Exoyme ypoxrewsh na prostateysoyme toys polites ths xwras mas. Exoyme ypoxrewsh na prostateysoyme akomh kai toys laqraioys metanastes, poy polles fores, ginontai qymata omadwn oi opoies proerxontai akomh kai mesa apo metanastes h kapoiwn allwn omadwn. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Akribws, gi` ayto prospaqoyme na dhmioyrghsoyme mia diadikasia, etsi wste na epistrefoyn stis xwres apo tis opoies hrqan xwris adeia apo th xwra mas, gia na apoklimakwqei h entash kai na broyme mia akrh se ayto to poly synqeto zhthma. Apo ekei kai pera, gia osoys menoyn proswrina, qa dhmioyrghqoyn nees ypodomes oi opoies qa toys filojenoyn mexri na oloklhrwqei h apaitoymenh diadikasia.

BITALHS: Mia dieykrinish mono. Lete, oti qeloyme kai aytoys na toys prostateysoyme apo ta diafora kyklwmata kai na epistrefoyn sth xwra apo thn opoia hrqan. Dhladh, opoioi entopizontai mesa ap` aytes tis epixeirhseis kai den exoyn ta aparaithta nomima eggrafa gia na parameinoyn na doylecoyn sth xwra ktl, aytoi se synennohsh me tis presbeies profanws kai me mia anqrwpistikh diadikasia qa phgainoyn pisw stis xwres toys...

PETALWTHS: ...H opoia einai synqeth kai dyskolh.

BITALHS: Profanws. Alla, aytoi mesa apo mia tetoia diadikasia h opoia armozei ston politismo ths xwras, qa epistrefoyn stis xwres toys;

PETALWTHS: Nai. Otan kapoios den exei dikaiwma na brisketai s` ayth th xwra, tote einai jekaqaro.

PITTARAS: Qelw na mas peite ligo pio jekaqara, epeidh eipate oti den yparxei qema epibolhs synaineshs, an apo thn enhmerwsh poy exete apo ton ypoyrgo poy htan parwn s' ayth th synedriash, an toy zhthqhke eyqews kai anoikta, eggrafws, h synainesh ths antipoliteyshs.

PETALWTHS: Sas ejhghsa oti qema epibolhs apo tritoys kai apo jenoys, den yparxei. Einai qema eyqynhs twn idiwn twn politikwn dynamewn ths xwras mas na synaisqanqoyn to megeqos toy problhmatos kai epiteloys oloi mazi na mporesoyme na symballoyme, kaqenas apo thn pleyra toy, sthn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish.

PITTARAS: Ara lete oti den yphrje tetoio qema.

PETALWTHS: Ayto akribws ennow.

PITTARAS: Malista. Kai ena deytero: Epeidh eipate oti den yparxei qema epistrofhs toy mesoproqesmoy, wstoso milhsate gia thn anagkh na yparjoyn symplhrwseis kai beltiwseis. Mporeite na mas peite kai gi' ayto to pragma ean to mesoproqesmo phgainei pisw;

PETALWTHS: Poso pisw dhladh; Ti pisw, ennooyme;

PITTARAS: Den jerw. Ypotiqetai oti yphrxan kapoia xronodiagrammata kai kapoies hmeromhnies poy qa eprepe na ypoblhqei ayto. Twra phgainoyn pisw;

PETALWTHS: An ennooyme gia kapoies meres, safws kai den yparxei kaqysterhsh. Qa prepei na bazoyme ta pragmata sth swsth toys diastash. To mesoproqesmo, pera apo to oti einai ena programma poy blepei thn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish, alla kai thn prooptikh ths gia alla pente xronia, qetei kai qa emperiexei zhthmata, ta opoia - epanalambanw - einai poly synqeta kai oikonomika kai nomika kai poy den antimetwpisthkan epi para polla xronia. Oi apokratikopoihseis poy den eginan epi 10eties kai oi opoies, antiqetws, sysswreysan ena baros sto ellhniko dhmosio, qa kriqoyn mesa apo ayto to mesoproqesmo. Kai qa yparjei mia diadikasia apokratikopoihsewn poly megalh, yperbolika megalh gia th xwra mas. Ara, ean ennoeite pws mia-dyo meres shmainei pisw, nomizw oti qa prepei na blepoyme ta pragmata sth swsth toys diastash.

Kai me aformh thn erwthsh sas, moy didete thn eykairia, epeidh akoysame shmera apo th N.D. na memfetai thn kybernhsh oti den exei kanei mexri twra oyte mia apokratikopoihsh, as mas pei to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs poia apokratikopoihsh ekane mesa sta eji xronia poy htan kybernhsh, pws thn ekane kai poia apotelesmata yphrxan eis baros toy ellhnikoy laoy.

PITTARAS: Epeidh erwthqhkate kai nwritera, alla wstoso den apanthsate, mporeite na mas peite jekaqara ean kindyneyei h dosh toy Ioynioy;

PETALWTHS: Krinomaste, yparxei mia ajiologhsh apo thn troika gia thn doyleia poy kanoyme, prokeimenoy na katabalei th dosh. Qa prepei na ypenqymisw oti o trimerhs mhxanismos mas exei daneisei 110 dis eyrw, ena prwtofanes poso gia daneismo kai fysika exoyme ypogracei mia symbash, etsi wste na kataballetai ayto to poso me tmhmatikes doseis, opoy omws exoyme ypoxrewsh na proxwrame se orismena zhthmata. Etsi ginetai gia ola ta daneia, gia oles tis symbaseis, gia oles tis xwres toy kosmoy kai se diakratiko epipedo, alla kai metajy idiwtwn ennoeitai. Ayto ginetai. Epomenws, yparxei ajiologhsh. Sas eipa prohgoymenws oti ayth h ajiologhsh den exei oloklhrwqei apo thn troika, qa oloklhrwqei kai qa yparjei apofash. Emeis eimaste aisiodojoi. Emeis exoyme na dwsoyme deigmata oti oi stoxoi poy exoyme qesei proxwroyn. Ayth akribws einai h doyleia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, dhladh na ylopoiei aytoys toys stoxoys, prokeimenoy na kataballetai kaqe tmhmatikh dosh.

KOYTRAS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti exete kalesei thn antipoliteysh gia synainesh, alla den einai synainesh mias chfoforias sto Koinoboylio.

PETALWTHS: Eipa oti ``den einai mono mia chfoforia''.

KOYTRAS: Mporeite na mas peite ti allo einai synainesh, ti zhtate apo thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh na kanei;

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa to pio aplo: Zhthsame na mas kataqesei tis protaseis ths gia to mesoproqesmo kai arnhqhke. Alla emeis antilambanomaste kai tis politikes diafwnies poy yparxoyn kai tis eswterikes diadikasies enos kommatos kai leme oti fysika pote den einai arga, akomh yparxei xronos. Ena pedio synaineshs einai akribws to mesoproqesmo poy qa feroyme sth Boylh na prosferei me tis protaseis ths kai h N.D., etsi wste o,ti einai qetiko na to symperilaboyme, na to syzhthsoyme. Kai fysika, ayto den anaferetai mono sth N.D. Synainesh einai ypoxrewsh kai olwn twn politikwn dynamewn panw se sygkekrimenh bash, afoy analogisqoyn se poia xronikh periodo briskomaste kai ti exoyme mprosta mas, posa dilhmmata gia na paei mprosta h xwra mas h na meinei pisw. Ayto pleon einai qema twn politikwn dynamewn.

KOYTRAS: Kai gia na kleisw, hqela na sas rwthsw: An den breite ayth th synainesh poy zhtate, eiste apofasismenoi na proxwrhsete ws kybernhsh, na kanete o,ti akribws xreiazetai kai o,ti mas zhtoyn oi etairoi mas h einai orato to endexomeno prosfyghs stis kalpes;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, oytws h allws - to exei apanthsei kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos - kanoyme to ergo mas kai qa to kanoyme. Ayto den exei kamia sxesh me ekloges. Den exei kamia sxesh me thn kommatikh logikh kai me mia kommatikh optikh. Mas emelle, ws kybernhsh, na swsoyme th xwra, na thn bgaloyme apo thn krish, oso pompwdes ki an fainetai ayto, kai fysika na kanoyme ekeines tis metarryqmiseis poy den eginan sth xwra mas epi 10eties. Ayto kanoyme, oytws h allws. Exoyme synhqisei na to kanoyme edw kai 18 mhnes kai ennoeitai pws den qa kanoyme twra pisw poy fainetai oti h xwra mas apokta prooptikh kai poy exoyme na kanoyme polles akomh megales metarryqmiseis kai megales allages gia th xwra mas.

MALTEZOY: Mhpws mporeite na mas dieykrinisete ti eidoys symplhrwseis xreiazetai to mesoproqesmo;

PETALWTHS: To mesoproqesmo den exei akomh katateqei sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Qa paroysiasqei sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, sth synexeia qa katateqei sth Boylh pros syzhthsh kai chfish kai ws ek toytoy qa anakoinwqoyn ta metra kai oi apofaseis poy tiqentai mesa ap' ayto. Briskomaste akomh sth diadikasia ths epejergasias, poy osonoypw qa oloklhrwqei kai se liges meres to mesoproqesmo sxedio qa exei katateqei sth Boylh.

XIDIROGLOY: Akoysa na lete oti h xwra qa apokthsei prooptikh me thn politikh thn opoia akoloyqeite. Omws edw exoyme ena poly sygkekrimeno dedomeno, oson afora thn ``prooptikh'' (bazw th lejh se eisagwgika), h anergia konteyei na aggijei to 20% kai plhttei kyriws...

PETALWTHS: Apo to 15% sto 20% einai 5 monades.

XIDIROGLOY: Sas eipa ``proseggizei''. Opws jerete, yparxoyn kathgories ergazomenwn, opws eleyqeroi epaggelmaties, twn opoiwn ta grafeia mporei na mhn doyleyoyn, omws den logizontai anergoi. Apo ekei kai pera...

PETALWTHS: Oytws h allws, den qa mporoysan na logizontai ws anergoi.

XIDIROGLOY: Akribws. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti exoyn doyleia. Apo ekei kai pera, pws skopeyei h kybernhsh na antimetwpisei ayto to problhma, giati oxi mono den dinei prooptikh gia thn ellhnikh koinwnia, alla th byqizei sthn apognwsh. Eyxaristw.

PETALWTHS: Gnwrizoyme poly kala to qema ths anergias. Gnwrizame epishs para poly kala oti h anergia qa fqasei sta ych s' ayto to diasthma. Ej alloy, briskomaste sto meso enos trietoys programmatos. Gnwrizame kai apo apoch xronologikh pws qa einai h anaptyjh, h yfesh, h anergia. Otan yparxei anaptyjh, einai epomeno na ayjanontai kai oi qeseis ergasias. Gnwrizoyme kai to eipame - kai den to eipame mono emeis, yparxei kai sthn earinh Ekqesh ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs - oti pleon ws pros thn anaptyjh yparxoyn shmeia anakamchs, oti to baqytero shmeio ths yfeshs htan to teleytaio trimhno toy 2010. Kai pleon milame gia mia prooptikh stis arxes toy 2012 na exoyme anaptyjh me qetiko proshmo +1,1%. Ola ayta ephreazoyn kai thn anergia, ennoeitai pros to qetikotero. Alla emeis den kaqomaste me stayrwmena ta xeria. Exei ypologisqei oti o OAED etsi opws einai, etsi opws exei elleich xrhmatodothshs gia toys gnwstoys logoys, me ta programmata poy efarmozei symballei sth mh ayjhsh ths anergias kata peripoy 4 posostiaies monades. Qelw na pw oti par' olo poy den yparxei anaptyjh, par' olo poy yparxei yfesh, prospaqoyme na synthrhsoyme kai na diathrhsoyme qeseis ergasias, etsi wste me thn prooptikh ths xwras na ayjhqoyn oi qeseis ergasias kai na mporoyme na koitazoyme mprosta. An doyme ta megeqh memonwmena, tote adikoyme olh thn prospaqeia poy ginetai. Kai gia na oloklhrwsw to qema, h anergia mporei shmera na foyntwnei, alla exei baqia aitia kai einai akribws apotoko oti pername mia krish. H anergia den einai apotelesma oyte enos mnhmonioy, oyte mias sygkekrimenhs politikhs. Akribws h politikh poy akoloyqoyme kai to mnhmonio poy mas efere 110 dis daneika, einai ayta poy dhmioyrgoyn anaxwmata sthn anergia, dhmioyrgwntas taytoxrona prooptikes drastikhs meiwshs ths.

XIDIROGLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ep' aytoy: Qa yparjoyn telika apolyseis sto dhmosio h oxi;

PETALWTHS: H erwthsh sas den einai ep' aytoy. H anergia den exei sxesh me tis apolyseis sto dhmosio. Apanthsa se sxetikh erwthsh xqes.

XIDIROGLOY: Qa ayjhsei thn anergia.

PETALWTHS: Ti na ayjhsoyme;

XIDIROGLOY: Qa ayjhsei thn anergia ama ginoyn apolyseis sto dhmosio. Den qa prosteqoyn aytoi stoys anergoys;

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy lete einai aploysteytiko. Emeis den milhsame gia apolyseis sto dhmosio. Xqes, ejhghsa - opws kai o k. Ragkoyshs exei ejhghsei - mia diadikasia to pws blepoyme to dhmosio. Fysika to dhmosio den mporoyme pleon na to blepoyme san ena xwro prosfyghs kai katafyghs kapoiwn gia na exoyn ergasia. Einai poly shmantiko, oi Ellhnes polites, kyriws oi neoi mas na briskoyn ergasia, alla den mporoyme na synexisoyme na qewroyme to ellhniko dhmosio ws katafygio, akribws epeidh htan toso diogkwmeno, toso anorqologistika domhmeno kai ws ena meros ayth einai h aitia poy pername ayth thn krish poy exoyme. H kybernhsh, me pollh ypeyqynothta kai sobarothta, blepei ola ayta ta zhthmata kai ayto einai safes.

SIDERHS: Qa epanelqw sto qema ths synaineshs: Mia kybernhsh poy exei 156 boyleytes, ti xreiazetai th synainesh kai den kyberna kai den pragmatopoiei ayta poy exei ypogracei; Mhpws, gia na diaxysete tis eyqynes sas kai sthn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh kai na dioxeteysete kai pros ta ekei thn orgh poy exei arxisei na niwqei o kosmos;

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw oti emeis analabame thn diakybernhsh ths xwras me poly kales prooptikes kai synqhkes prin tis ekloges kai diapistwsame oti analabame mia xwra h opoia briskotan sto xeilos ths xreokopias. Den kaname pisw otan kapoioi mas edinan alles lyseis. Den deiliasame sto na paroyme gennaies kai tolmhres apofaseis, apofaseis poy mas eferan antimetwpoys me ton aplo polith, epwdynes gia ton kosmo alla akrws anagkaies gia th xwra. Kai fysika oyte kai twra qa deiliasoyme na to kanoyme. Alla, epanalambanw, oti h synainesh einai mia diadikasia poly eyryterh apo mia chfoforia sth Boylh, poly eyryterh apo to na exoyme mia kybernhsh h opoia ta bgazei pera monh ths - poy oytws h allws ayto kanei - kai na afhnoyme oles tis alles politikes dynameis na mhn antilambanontai poy briskomaste. Qa prepei epiteloys - kai to xrwstame oxi mono stoys etairoys mas, alla kai pros toys Ellhnes polites - oloi anejairetws na doyn oti yparxoyn politikes dynameis poy antilambanontai th sobarothta ths katastashs sth xwra.

SIDERHS: Kai kati allo: O Prwqypoyrgos, pote qa ekfwnhsei to  mea culpa gia to oti synypegrace to ``Doyblino 2'' kai gemise thn Ellada me laqrometanastes, ekane thn Ellada xwmaterh anqrwpwn;

PETALWTHS: H Ellada den egine xwmaterh anqrwpwn apo to ``Doyblino 2'', egine apo sygkekrimenes diadikasies, apo kybernhseis oi opoies afhsan thn Ellada na ginei jefrago ampeli. H megalh ojynsh aytoy toy ``jefragoy'' egine ta eji teleytaia xronia. H kybernhsh ayth einai poy mesa s' ola ta alla analambanei na aposafhnisei kai to pws mporei kaneis na erxetai sth xwra mas kai gia to pws mporei na paramenei kai oxi na exoyme aytes tis eikones poy pragmatika den timoyn kanenan, akomh kai se anqrwpistiko epipedo, poso mallon se epipedo politiko kai koinwniko.

KEXAGIA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me bash ta osa mas eipate shmera, h troika qa synexisei thn ajiologhsh ths prokeimenoy na anacei to prasino fws gia thn epomenh dosh. Omws apaiteitai beltiwsh, symplhrwsh kai mia taxythta sto mesoproqesmo programma dhmosionomikhs prosarmoghs. Epomenws qelw na sas rwthsw: Prwton, pote qa erqei sto ypoyrgiko symboylio; Deyteron, ti eidoys peraiterw epejergasia prepei na ginei sto mesoproqesmo, apo thn stigmh poy eprokeito mesa sthn ebdomada na paroysiastei sto ypoyrgiko symboylio, ara den emeinan ikanopoihmenoi oi eyrwpaioi etairoi mas apo to programma poy toys paroysiase xqes o k. Papakwnstantinoy. Kai triton, na rwthsw otan lene oti xreiazontai mia taxythta, ennooyn se oti afora stis epidoseis twn ypoyrgwn;

PETALWTHS: Eseis salamopoihsate to olo zhthma kai prospaqeite na bgalete kai eidhseis gia toys ypoyrgoys. Epanalambanw oti h kybernhsh epejergazetai oytws h allws to mesoproqesmo kai se liges hmeres qa katateqei. Ayto einai safes. Apo ekei kai pera prospaqoyme na katadeijoyme - na apodeijoyme kai sthn troika, h opoia elegxei tis epidoseis mas prokeimenoy na katablhqei h 5h dosh toy daneioy twn 110 dis eyrw - oti eimaste mesa stoys stoxoys mas, oti toys ylopoioyme. Dhlwsa prohgoymenws oti eimai aisiodojos gia thn katabolh ths 5hs doshs. Lew oti eimai aisiodojos giati tipota den einai aytomatopoihmeno. Xreiazetai na ginei para poly doyleia, poy ginetai oytws h allws. Fysika to mesoproqesmo, ws ena terastio programma ths xwras mas, epanalambanw oti den einai qema dyo kai triwn hmerwn. Den yparxei qema kaqysterhshs toy. H epejergasia ennoeitai oti qa ginetai mexri thn teleytaia stigmh, etsi wste na einai oso to dynaton to kalytero, to sobarotero kai to ypeyqynotero programma ejodoy ths xwras apo th megalyterh krish ths teleytaias dekaetias. Einai poly shmantiko gia thn anaptyjh, gia thn idia thn epibiwsh ths oikonomias mas.

KEXAGIA: Kai gia thn mia taxythta;

PETALWTHS: Ola ayta, phgainoyn mazi. Kai den exei sxesh me tis epidoseis twn ypoyrgwn. Prwta ap' ola, oi apodoseis poy exoyn ta programmata poy efarmozoyme, den ejartwntai oyte monon apo toys ypoyrgoys, oyte synolika apo thn kybernhsh, oyte mono apo ta eswterika mas. Yparxei ena para poly dyskolo dieqnes periballon kai par'ola ayta emeis katafernoyme na ylopoioyme toys stoxoys mas. Ayto einai to stoixhma poy bazoyme, me poly sklhrh doyleia kai me boylhsh h opoia einai jekaqarh.

KOYTRAS: Prin apo ligo, kata th diarkeia toy briefing, oloklhrwqhke h synanthsh toy k. Samara me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Bgainontas o k. Samaras, xarakthrise ta metra ths kybernhshs ``gymnastikh sthn mataiothta'' sta opoia to komma toy, opws leei, den synainei, enw proeblece oti to elleimma kai gia to 2011 kai gia to 2012 qa kymanqei peri to 10% me thn politikh sas.

PETALWTHS: Safws kai den kymanqhke peri to 10%. Oi probleceis toy k. Samara den einai basimes giati ton Maio toy 2009 , oxi proeblepe alla mas diabebaiwne ws ypoyrgos Politismoy oti to elleimma htan 4-4,5% , otan apodeixqhke oti htan panw apo 15%. Ara oi probleceis toy k. Samara einai poly amfiboles. O k. Samaras exei tropo na symbalei sthn swthria ths xwras mas. Exei tropo na anatajei, toylaxiston, o,ti efere h kybernhsh ths N.D. ws arnhtikes synepeies gia th xwra mas. Kai gi' ayto akribws emeis leme synexws oti: Epiteloys sobarothta kai ypeyqynothta apo oloys. Epanalambanw omws, oti pera apo tis kommatikes proseggiseis poy kanei kaqe politikh dynamh, yparxei xwros, yparxei pedio etsi wste kai oi proseggiseis toys na parameinoyn alla na yparxei kai topos symbolhs sthn poly megalh ayth prospaqeia poy kanoyme.

BITALHS: Epeidh sas akoysa kai prohgoymenws na lete oti den einai qema mias chfoforias h synainesh, an kai yparxoyn mprosta oi chfofories sth Boylh, h syzhthsh stis koinoboyleytikes epitropes, peite moy: Qa qewroysate deigma synaineshs thn egkataleich ths antimnhmoniakhs rhtoreias, poy yparxei apo thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh;

PETALWTHS: Einai safes oti ayto qa htan to epiqymhto. Alla den blepw na ginetai.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo apogeyma. --1427249692-1738152124-1305668002=:19928--

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