Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-04-09

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 9 Aprilioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 130813418

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 9 Aprilioy 2008

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" Ayrio stis 10.30 qa ginei h pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh sth Boylh, ystera apo aithma toy Proedroy ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy Laikoy Orqodojoy Synagermoy k. Karatzaferh, me qema thn onomasia ths FYROM.

" Thn Paraskeyh, sto plaisio ths dihmerhs episkechs sthn Ellada, toy Prwqypoyrgoy ths Dhmokratias ths Tsexias k. Mirek Topolanek, o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy me ton Tsexo Prwqypoyrgo, stis 12.30. Qa akoloyqhsoyn dhlwseis pros ton Typo kai geyma ergasias.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Mhpws exei prosdioristei h hmeromhnia episkechs toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Mosxa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi akomh. Den exw kati perissotero apo ayta poy sas eipa proxqes, oti dhladh yparxei prosklhsh, ginetai syzhthsh twn diplwmatwn ekaterwqen. Den exei oristikopoihqei akomh h hmeromhnia.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ti exei na apanthsei h kybernhsh se ekeinoys toys Skopianoys polites, oi opoioi jafnika diekdikoyn akomh kai ektaseis sth xwra mas; Kai ena deytero erwthma, an moy epitrepete, ti apanta epishs h kybernhsh sto an yparxei ``makedonikh eqnothta'', ``makedonikh glwssa'', opws lene oi Amerikanoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto to opoio kanei h xwra mas shmera, einai na mporesei na brei lyseis sto problhma to opoio exoyn oi dyo xwres metajy toys sto qema toy onomatos. Tipote perissotero, tipote ligotero.

KAKALHS: Pisteyete oti den exei sxesh to zhthma poy qetoyn oi Amerikanoi peri yparjhs ``makedonikhs eqnothtas kai meionothtas'' me to qema ths onomasias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh moy einai safhs. Ekeino to opoio exoyme ws diafora me th FYROM, thn Prwhn Gioygkoslabikh Dhmokratia ths Makedonias, einai h diafora toy onomatos. Ta ypoloipa qemata ta opoia anaferontai  diabazw kai egw diafora- eite exoyn lyqei apo dieqneis synqhkes, eite den qewrw skopimo na kanw kapoio sxolio.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na rwthsw, an h kybernhsh htan enhmerh kai ti protiqetai na kanei gia to qema poy apokalyptei shmera o ``ELEYQEROS TYPOS'', sxetika me 2.500 metanastes poy ypo synqhkes sklabias, doyleyoyn sthn Hleia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sas pw, kat` arxas, kati to opoio gnwrizete, einai aytonohto kai to exoyme pei kai alles fores: Eimaste xwra ypodoxhs laqrometanastwn. Qa jekinhsw apo ayto. Malista, analogika me to megeqos kai ton plhqysmo mas, eimaste h xwra ypodoxhs toy ychloteroy ariqmoy laqrometanastwn to xrono. Perysi, symfwna me tis anakoinwseis poy ekanan oi armodioi ypoyrgoi, o ariqmos twn laqrometanastwn anhlqe stis 112.000. Qelw, epishs, na shmeiwsw oti enw yphrjan tritokosmikes synqhkes sthn ``ypodoxh'', edw kai ligoys mhnes leitoyrgei hdh to prwto kentro ypodoxhs laqrometanastwn sth Samo kai leitoyrgei, epishs, to deytero kentro ypodoxhs laqrometanastwn ston Kyprino toy Ebroy. Dyo akomh kentra dromologoyntai na dhmioyrghqoyn, to ena sth Notio Krhth kai to allo sthn Kw. Ta hdh leitoyrgoynta kentra, epi kybernhsewn Neas Dhmokratias, exoyn apospasei poly qetika sxolia apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Gi` ayto kai sta dyo nea, exoyme epidiwjei -kai einai poly piqano, qewroyme piqano- na exoyme kai xrhmatodothsh apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph wste na kinhqoyme akomh pio grhgora. O ariqmos, opws sas eipa, einai para poly megalos. Antilambanetai kapoios to problhma. Einai ena qema poy exei qesei polles fores o Prwqypoyrgos kai se Symboylia, alla kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi stoys omologoys ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, dioti einai ena zhthma poy prepei na antimetwpistei apo koinoy, sto plaisio ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

Sto qema genikws twn metanastwn: Kai se ayto ton tomea, h kybernhsh ayth ekane para polla pragmata, ta opoia eprepe na eixan ginei xronia prin. Sas qymizw th nomoqesia poy einai mia apo tis pleon sygxrones eyrwpaikes nomoqesies. Sas qymizw oti exoyn doqei hdh dyo hmeromhnies, me megalh elastikothta  h mia yparxei akomh kai shmera- nomimopoihshs twn paranomws diabioyntwn sthn Ellada. Sthn prwth ekanan xrhsh aytoy toy dikaiwmatos 170.000 metanastes. Synexizetai h deyterh kai ypologizoyme oti qa perasoyme ton ariqmo twn 200.000 metanastwn oi opoioi htan paranomoi sth xwra mas kai nomimopoioyntai me diadikasies poy eteqhsan apo ayton ton sygxrono eyrwpaiko nomo poy efere h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, sygkekrimena o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, k. Paylopoylos. Kaqierwsame epishs to kaqestws twn epi makrws diamenontwn.

Twra, se o,ti afora zhthmata san ayta ta opoia moy anaferate, qelw na sas pw oti ayto poy exei shmasia, einai na threitai o nomos. Kai ayto poy mporei na kanei h ellhnikh Politeia einai na elegxei ean throyntai oles ekeines oi probleceis toy nomoy kai twn allwn nomwn gia toys oroys ergasias kaqenos metanasth, opws kai kaqenos Ellhna ergazomenoy.

MELIGKWNHS: Wstoso, kyrie Ypoyrge, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, ap` o,ti fainetai, mallon h Politeia den exei elegjei to kaqestws toso diamonhs, oso kai ergasias, kaqoti kapoioi lene oti doyleyoyn anasfalistoi. Opote, na ypoqesw oti den to hjere telika h kybernhsh; Oti to emaqe shmera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H enhmerwsh poy exw apo to armodio ypoyrgeio einai oti den yparxei kanenos eidoys kataggelia, h opoia na anaferetai se ayto to opoio moy anaferete. Se kaqe periptwsh, pantws, einai bebaio oti oi yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy kinoyntai kai me bash ta dhmosieymata. Ekeino poy exei megalh shmasia einai oti h politikh eyaisqhsia, h koinwnikh eyaisqhsia mias Politeias, fainetai sto synolo twn drasewn tis opoies analambanei. Kai to synolo twn drasewn poy sas anefera, apodeiknyoyn akribws ayth thn koinwnikh eyaisqhsia apenanti se sympolites mas oi opoioi proerxontai apo alla merh toy kosmoy.

KAKALHS: Me aformh thn episkech toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias shmera sta kamena sthn Parnhqa, hqela na rwthsw, o Prwqypoyrgos den aisqanetai thn anagkh na dei pws exei proxwrhsei to ergo ths kybernhshs gia thn anadaswsh; Poy den exei proxwrhsei, dhladh, kaqoloy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei diarkh enhmerwsh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti exoyn ginei para polles energeies apo ta armodia ypoyrgeia. Eixame prin apo treis mhnes peripoy kai perissotero, ligo meta tis ekloges, -poly grhgora malista, ena mhna meta tis ekloges- thn eykairia na akoysoyme tis anakoinwseis poy eginan apo ton Ypoyrgo Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs k. Konto, sth diplanh aiqoysa. Se ayth thn hmerida milhsan dekades episthmones, poy eixan klhqei apo to ypoyrgeio gia na kataqesoyn oxi aplws tis apoceis toys, alla kai tis protaseis gia to pws prepei na kinhqoyme. Ta qemata antimetwpizontai se megalo eyros xronoy. Giati, gia paradeigma, sto zhthma ths anadaswshs, gnwrizete oti yparxoyn antikroyomenes apoceis. ``Aifnhs'' -giati einai gnwsto toylaxiston se osoys exoyn megalwsei sthn eparxia kai gnwrizoyn thn agrotikh zwh- zhthmata anadaswshs se perioxes opoy kahkan elaiodentra den tiqentai. Kai en pash periptwsei den tiqentai akomh, giati einai gnwsto oti h elia, opws kai polla alla dentra, anafyontai akomh kai an exoyn kaei ta kladia toys, akomh kai an exei kaei o kormos. Qa prepei, loipon, na thrhsoyme tis episthmonikes ekeines synqhkes, toys episthmonikoys kanones, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsoyn kai ta zhthmata ths anadaswshs, opws proxwroyn kai polla alla zhthmata. Den einai mono ayto to qema. Gia paradeigma, sto zhthma twn zwotrofwn exoyn hdh diateqei 4 ekatommyria eyrw apo to tameio to opoio oi perissoteroi Ellhnes bohqhsan na dhmioyrghqei, prokeimenoy oi kthnotrofoi mas poy eplhghsan na mporoyn na exoyn mesa sto xeimwna tis zwotrofes poy toys einai aparaithtes gia ta kopadia toys. Yparxoyn polles energeies poy ginontai kai to endiaferon emfanizetai se aytes tis energeies. Bebaiws kai to endiaferon na metexei kapoios se mia episkech, einai shmantiko. Kaneis den qelei na to apajiwsei ayto. Exei, hdh, symbei me ton Prwqypoyrgo -sas qymizw- kai sth diarkeia twn pyrkagiwn kai amesws meta kai poly meta tis ekloges.

SPYRAKH: Na sas paw ligo sto kyriarxo qema ths epikairothtas, ayto toy entopismoy aqlhtwn me oysies apagoreymenes ston organismo toys kai na rwthsw, an qewreite pws olo ayto to xroniko diasthma kai epi twn hmerwn sas, alla kai epi twn hmerwn ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs, h politikh hgesia ths Genikhs Grammateias h toy Yfypoyrgeioy Aqlhtismoy ekane th doyleia ths se o,ti afora ton elegxo kai thn epistasia twn omospondiwn, oi opoies xrhmatodotoyntai apo ton Kratiko Proypologismo, alla fainetai pws eixan plhrh gnwsh gia ta skeyasmata, ta opoia eftanan telika stoys aqlhtes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws enhmerwqhka apo ton armodio ypoyrgo kai ton armodio yfypoyrgo, h Politeia exei sygkekrimenes ypoxrewseis kai desmeyseis. Gia paradeigma, elegxontai ta skeyasmata ta opoia didontai stis omospondies apo ton Eqniko Organismo Farmakwn; Elegxontai. Twra, ean kapoioi paranomoyn kai pairnoyn skeyasmata ektos aytwn, antilambanetai kapoios oti se mia frash qa mporoysame na sympyknwsoyme ayth thn ypoqesh, opws kai polles alles ypoqeseis: Den zoyme se mia xwra opoy katoikoyn anhlikoi polites kai monoi enhlikoi einai kaqe fora h ekastote politikh hgesia, eite einai toy PASOK, eite ths Neas Dhmokratias. Zoyme se mia xwra enhlikwn politwn, epaggelmatiwn, oi opoioi exoyn kai thn atomikh toys eyqynh kai oi opoioi ofeiloyn na throyn toys nomoys. Ean yparxei anagkh na prosteqoyn diatajeis se nomoys, opws eipe o k. Liaphs prosfata, ayto h Politeia, analoga me ta qemata poy antimetwpizontai -kai se mia epoxh opws h dikh mas, anafyontai diarkws nea qemata- tote ofeilei na to prajei kai to prattei.

KAKALHS: H Politeia exei eyqynh gia na elegjei eyrytera ta skeyasmata poy kykloforoyn; Diabazoyme shmera oti 11 ekatommyria anejelegkta skeyasmata kykloforoyn. Ep` aytwn den exei eyqynh h Politeia, mono oti dinetai stis omospondies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti ola ta farmakeytika skeyasmata pernoyn apo ton Eqniko Organismo Farmakwn. Ean yparxoyn paranomws diakinoymena skeyasmata, ekeino to opoio exei eyqynh h Politeia na kanei, einai na entopizei aytes tis paranomies me toys elegktikoys mhxanismoys poy diaqetei.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla kykloforoyn 11 ekatommyria xwris na ta exete entopisei. Ayto shmainei oti h Politeia antapokriqhke sta kaqhkonta ths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na einai aytos o ariqmos, ton opoio anaferete, twn skeyasmatwn ta opoia den elegxontai. Moy fainetai yperbolika megalos ariqmos gia na mhn elegxontai ola apo ton Eqniko Organismo Farmakwn. Ekeino to opoio mporw na sas pw, me th diabebaiwsh twn armodiwn me toys opoioys synomilhsa, einai oti ta skeyasmata poy diatiqentai stis omospondies, opws kai alla poy diatiqentai se gymnasthria kai loipa, einai skeyasmata poy prepei na exoyn thn egkrish toy Eqnikoy Organismoy Farmakwn.

SPYRAKH: Ep` aytoy na sas pw oti, xwris na paristanoyme toys eidikoys...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oyte egw eimai allwste.

SPYRAKH: ... oti yparxei pantote h dynatothta na emfanistoyn skeyasmata ws symplhrwmata diatrofhs kai na mhn perasoyn apo ton elegxo toy EOF, opws eseis lete oti einai ypoxrewmena na perasoyn ta farmakeytika skeyasmata. To lew kai entopizontas ena keno kai gia to an h kybernhsh skeftetai na dei kai ayth thn parametro. To qema twn symplhrwmatwn diatrofhs, ta opoia diakinoyntai swrhdon kai se gymnasthria kai se alloys xwroys poy yparxoyn aqlhtikes drasthriothtes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti exei kanei hdh anakoinwseis kai o k. Liaphs kai o k. Iwannidhs gi` ayta ta qemata kai gia tis diadikasies poy prepei na akoloyqhqoyn h na symplhrwqoyn.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh exei anaqesei kai perimenei apo th Dikaiosynh allh mia fora na ``kaqarisei'' me ayth thn ypoqesh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan zoyme se mia koinwnia h opoia orizetai apo nomoys, ofeiloyme na sebomaste tis diadikasies. Ti ennoeite; Einai san na apajiwnete to qema ths Dikaiosynhs. Kaqenas exei ena rolo. Kaqe qesmos exei to rolo toy kai kaqe paragontas ofeilei na yphretei ayto to qesmiko toy rolo.

KAKALHS: Ennow oti...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite poy sas diakoptw, giati den to synhqizw. Dhladh, h kybernhsh den mporei na ypokatasthsei -opws h Dikaiosynh den mporei na ypokatasthsei thn kybernhsh- th Dikaiosynh h alles arxes, oi opoies einai katoxyrwmenes sto Syntagma mas, oyte to epiqymei, oyte kai prepei.

KAKALHS: Ayto poy hqela na pw einai oti opws exei apodeixqei kai se alles ypoqeseis h Dikaiosynh den exei ta mesa gia na ``kaqarisei'' ayta ta skandala. Ta mesa ta exei to kratos me toys elegktikoys mhxanismoys. Ekei einai to qema. Mhpws h kybernhsh epixeirei na metaqesei tis politikes prwta ap` ola eyqynes sth Dikaiosynh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H alhqeia einai oti oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi einai sto kratos. H Dikaiosynh exei toys dikoys ths mhxanismoys apo th stigmh poy arxizei mia ereyna gia na mporesei na proseggisei thn alhqeia, na thn anadeijei kai na parei thn apofash ths. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, gnwrizete oti se mia koinwnia eite einai sygxronh eite palaioterh, den mporei oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi na yperbainoyn sygkekrimeno ariqmo. Opws den mporoyme na exoyme poly megalo ariqmo anqrwpwn poy ergazontai stoys agoranomikoys elegxoys, to idio den mporoyme na exoyme poly megalo ariqmo ergazomenwn se mia seira apo elegxoys. Anaferqhke prohgoymenws kai poly swsta to qema twn anqrwpwn oi opoioi zoyn se synqhkes  diabasa kai egw ta sxetika reportaz- poy den qa xarakthrizontoysan anqrwpines. Yparxoyn elegktikoi mhxanismoi, oi opoioi pairnontas aformh eite apo kataggelies, eite aytoboylws, eite apo dhmosieymata, prospaqoyn na kanoyn th doyleia toys. Den mporei gia kaqe Ellhna polith na yparxei kai enas allos poy qa ton parakoloyqei. Kai gia na eimaste eilikrineis, oyte kai prepei, se mia Dhmokratia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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