Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-02-27

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Tetarth, 27 Febroyarioy 2008

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 27 Febroyarioy 2008

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" Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligh wra h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, h opoia pragmatopoihqhke meta th synedriash toy Kybernhtikoy Symboylioy Ejwterikwn kai Amynas (KYSEA). Sth synedriash toy KYSEA egine epilogh neoy Arxhgoy ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias kai syzhthqhkan qemata armodiothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas. Exoyn ginei dhlwseis kai apo toys dyo armodioys Ypoyrgoys k. Paylopoylo kai k. Meimarakh. Akoloyqhse h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, sthn opoia o Ypoyrgos PEXWDE k. Soyflias paroysiase to Eqniko Xwrotajiko Sxedio. Exei kanei, hdh, dhlwseis ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy kai se ligh wra, se synenteyjh Typoy qa dwsei sth dhmosiothta to Eqniko Xwrotajiko Sxedio. Qelw na shmeiwsw oti h xwra mas eixe mpei ston 21o aiwna xwris Eqniko Xwrotajiko Sxedio. To sxedio einai etoimo kai apotelei mia megalh metarryqmish, thn opoia fernei ayth h kybernhsh. Mia metarryqmish poy qa dwsei sth xwra nees anaptyjiakes prooptikes kai kyriws qa mas bohqhsei na qwrakisoyme toso to fysiko oso kai to politistiko mas periballon.

" O Prwqypoyrgos, stis 14.00 exei ,opws gnwrizete, synanthsh me ton Arxiepiskopo Aqhnwn kai pashs Ellados k. Ierwnymo.

Ayrio stis 11.00, sto Megaro Majimoy, qa exei synergasia me ton Ypoyrgo Toyristikhs Anaptyjhs k. Arh Sphliwtopoylo.

" Se orismenes periptwseis sas anakoinwnw kapoia apo ta metra ta opoia exoyn hdh anakoinwqei apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys, alla qa hqela na exete mia genikh gnwsh twn qematwn aytwn, paroti den ta syzhtoyme analytika sto press room. Qa sas diabasw, loipon, en syntomia ta deka prosqeta metra, ta opoia anakoinwse xqes o Ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs k. Kontos, gia thn enisxysh ths ellhnikhs kthnotrofias: Prwton, kataballetai epipleon, atoko daneio pente eyrw ana zwo stoys aigoprobatotrofoys -toys exoyn hdh, xorhghqei deka eyrw- anebazontas to synoliko poso daneiodothshs se 15 eyrw ana zwo. Deyteron, sto programma agrotikhs anaptyjhs ``Alejandros Mpaltatzhs 2007-2013'' aplopoioyntai peraiterw ta sxedia beltiwshs zwikhs paragwghs me th dynatothta entajhs mikrwn ependytikwn sxediwn zwikhs paragwghs, kostoys mexri kai 50.000 eyrw, me thn ypobolh aplwn aithsewn basei proegkekrimenwn meletwn apo to Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai Trofimwn. Triton, dinetai h dynatothta gia eyxeresterh kai taxyterh ekdosh adeiwn idryshs kai leitoyrgias twn kthnopthnotrofikwn egkatastasewn. Tetarton, epekteinontai oi kalyceis apo ton ELGA se epipleon zhmiogona aitia sto zwiko kefalaio, opws einai asqeneies kai fysikoi kindynoi. Pempton, meiwnetai to kostos paragwghs me th dynatothta agoras kthniatrikwn farmakeytikwn proiontwn se xondrikh timh gia tis synetairistikes organwseis kai tis omades kthnotrofwn paragwgikwn zwwn. Ekton, efarmozetai eniaio kai plhres entypo kthniatrikhs syntaghs, me skopo thn orqh xrhsh twn farmakeytikwn proiontwn sta paragwgika zwa. Ebdomon, meta apo synergasia twn Ypoyrgeiwn Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai Trofimwn kai toy Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, kaqierwnetai h anagrafh ths proeleyshs posothtas kai eidoys twn kreatwn kai stis apodeijeis poy ekdidontai apo tis tameiakes mhxanes. Ayth h kinhsh exei skopo thn apofygh twn ellhnopoihsewn eisagomenwn kreatwn. Ogdoon, diereynatai h dynatothta epistrofhs toy Eidikoy Foroy Kaysimwn kai sthn kthnotrofia. Enaton, ta farmakeytika skeyasmata kai idioskeyasmata poy proorizontai gia kthniatrikh xrhsh, symperilambanontai sthn kathgoria twn diatimhmenwn eidwn, me ypoxrewsh anagrafhs endeiktikwn timwn lianikhs pwlhshs sth syskeyasia toys. Dekaton, lhfqhsan peraiterw metra sthrijhs ths agoras toy xoirioy kreatos.

" Telos, qa kanw mia akomh eisagwgikh anakoinwsh, me aformh th syzhthsh h opoia exei arxisei gia to qema twn blogs. Exoyme, hdh, pei orismena pragmata, xqes edw, me aformh dikes sas erwthseis. Qa hqela na shmeiwsw, epeidh akoysa se orismena Mesa Enhmerwshs, oti olh ayth h ypoqesh energopoihse -eipan kapoioi- thn kybernhsh gia na proxwrhsei se nomoqetikes ryqmiseis kai kapoioi alloi taxqhkan genikws enantion nomoqetikhs ryqmishs. Qa hqela, parakalw, na shmeiwsete oti to sxedio nomoy poy etoimazetai, einai sxedio nomoy gia thn kyrwsh ths symbashs toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs gia to egklhma ston kybernoxwro. Me ayto to sxedio nomoy kyrwnetai h yp` ariqmon 185 symbash toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs poy, opws sas eipa kai xqes, ypegrafh stis 23 Noembrioy 2001 sth Boydapesth, sxetika me to egklhma ston kybernoxwro. Shmeiwnw, edw, oti den yphrxe katalhktikh hmeromhnia, gia to pote kaqe xwra eprepe na enswmatwsei sto eswteriko ths dikaio, ayth thn odhgia. Gia thn kyrwsh ths symbashs ayths apo th xwra mas, katartisthke, arxikws -opws sas eipa kai xqes- epitroph apo to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs stis 19/07/2004. H epitroph paredwse to ergo ths to Septembrio toy 2006. Apofasisthke, omws, tote anasystash ths epitrophs, wste na ths anateqei kai h apofash plaisio yp` ariqmon 2005/222 toy Symboylioy, gia tis epiqeseis kata twn systhmatwn plhroforikhs. To sxedio, hdh, exei sxedon oloklhrwqei apo thn epitroph kai, entos toy mhnos Martioy, qa einai etoimo gia epejergasia apo thn Kentrikh Nomoparaskeyastikh Epitroph ths Boylhs (KENE) kai thn en synexeia prowqhsh toy gia chfish sthn Epitroph kai thn Olomeleia ths Boylhs. Th symbash ayth exoyn, hdh, ypogracei h Albania, h Boylgaria, h Kroatia, h Kypros, h Dania, h Esqonia, h Gallia, h Oyggaria, h Liqoyania, h Norbhgia, h Roymania, h Slobekia, h FYROM kai h Oykrania. Me tis diatajeis toy sxedioy nomoy, opws problepontai apo th Synqhkh ths Boydapesths kai apo th symplhrwmatikh odhgia, sthn opoia anaferqhka prohgoymenws, timwroyntai: Prwton, oi kaqe eidoys paremboles se dedomena kai systhmata ypologisth kai deyteron, ta dienergoymena mesw systhmatwn hlektronikwn ypologistwn adikhmata. Me tis dikonomikes toy diatajeis dieykolynetai h diakribwsh twn adikhmatwn poy teloyntai mesw toy diadiktyoy me th diasfalish ths diathrhshs kai thn apotroph katastrofhs twn ixnwn kai apodeiktikwn stoixeiwn poy katagrafontai sto diadiktyo, kata thn telesh twn adikhmatwn aytwn. Se syndyasmo, de, me tis ryqmiseis toy sxedioy gia to aporrhto twn epikoinwniwn poy taytoxronws prowqei to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, qa diasfalistei kata ton kalytero dynato tropo kaqe poliths apo adikhmata kai epiqeseis sthn proswpikothta toy, poy ginontai mesw twn sygxronwn hlektronikwn systhmatwn. Mia parathrhsh, me thn opoia nomizw oti symfwnoyme oloi, einai oti sthn Ellada, symfwna me ta stoixeia ta opoia egw toylaxiston diaqetw, yparxoyn peripoy 40.000 blogs kai polloi perissoteroi bloggers. Kaqhmerinws xrhsimopoioyn ta blogs peripoy 500.000 Ellhnes polites. H prwtoboylia ayth, h opoia allwste exei jekinhsei, opws sas eipa, me aformh apofaseis toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs, ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, edw kai polla xronia den exei kanenos eidoys stoxo na amayrwsei h na apajiwsei ayth th sygxronh monterna dialektikh, h opoia exei anaptyxqei metajy twn politwn toy kosmoy. Exei, omws, stoxo na orisei ta shmeia ekeina ta opoia se kaqe sygxronh Politeia prepei na orizontai, etsi wste na mhn mporei na parabiazontai basikes arxes twn anqrwpinwn ajiwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: O Grammateas ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Tragakhs, milwntas nwritera sto radiofwno toy ``FLASH'', eipe kata lejh oti an boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias symmetexoyn sta syllalhthria, tote qa doyme pws qa to eklaboyme. Ti skeftetai na kanei h kybernhsh se ena tetoio endexomeno;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw th dhlwsh toy k. Tragakh. Den exw na pw kati.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas ejhghsete giati xreiazontai nea nomoqetika metra gia to diadiktyo, gia ta blogs; Ta yparxonta den arkoyn, afoy me ta yparxonta entopisthkan, na to pw etsi, ta kroysmata ayta poy entopisthkan. Kai ena deytero, synafes, apo ta 40.000 blogs poy eipate oti leitoyrgoyn sthn Ellada, ektos apo ayto to ena, exete entopisei kai se alla blogs tetoia kroysmata sykofantias kai ekbiasmoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, sas lew oti o deyteros plhqyntikos poy xrhsimopoihsate den kalyptei thn ypoqesh ayth, giati h kybernhsh se o,ti afora to sygkekrimeno qema, den exei kamia anameijh. H Dikaiosynh einai ekeinh h opoia kinhqhke.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh kineitai politika, taytoxrona, nomoqetika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto to ``taytoxrona'' einai poy prospaqhsa na sas peisw oti den isxyei. Fainetai oti apetyxa. Den qa koyrasw kanenan ek twn ypoloipwn janadiabazontas mia seira apo hmeromhnies, oi opoies deixnoyn me safhneia oti milame gia energeies oi opoies exoyn jekinhsei me th symfwnh gnwmh kai ths xwras mas, edw kai kapoia xronia, apo to Symboylio ths Eyrwphs.

KAKALHS: Prepei na einai kapoios afelhs gia na peisqei oti tyxaia xqes proanaggeilate meta apo olo ayto, nea nomoqetika metra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti stis 19 Ioylioy toy 2004, egine Nomoparaskeyastikh Epitroph sto Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs. Sas anefera dyo...

KAKALHS: (Den akoygetai).

ROYSOPOYLOS: H Nomoparaskeyastikh Epitroph egine me aformh to qema poy sas eipa oti ypegrafh sth Boydapesth stis 23/11/2001. Yparxei mia seira apo xwres, oi opoies exoyn enswmatwsei ayth thn odhgia. Ayto, loipon, to jekinhse h kybernhsh to 2004. Ekriqh anagkaio apo th stigmh poy eixame symplhrwsh ths odhgias to 2005, na anasystaqei h epitroph kai na ejetasei kai ayth th symplhrwsh. Ayta, loipon, ta arketa jekaqara pragmata, nomizw oti arkoyn.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla den moy apanthsate, an exete alla kroysmata se alla blogs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti o deyteros plhqyntikos den apeyqynetai sthn kybernhsh. Prepei na asxolhqeite me to reportaz, se o,ti afora th Dikaiosynh.

SPYRAKH: Se o,ti afora thn oysia ths dhlwshs toy k. Tragakh, kyrie Ekproswpe, an symmetexoyn boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias sto syllalhthrio, tote qa antimetwpistoyn me peiqarxika metra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H politikh kai se ayto to eqniko zhthma, opws kai se ola ta alla zhthmata, askeitai apo thn ypeyqynh kybernhsh ths xwras.

GKOYTZANHS: Eseis qa toys systhsete na pane h na mhn pane;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti apanthsa se erwthsh, prohgoymenws, poy kalyptei mallon kai th dikh sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Eseis, proswpika, qa pate se ena paromoio...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa sthn erwthsh, legontas oti h ypeyqynh kybernhsh ths xwras xeirizetai me ypeyqyno tropo ta megala qemata kai ta mikra qemata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw, omws, qa symplhrwsw sto erwthma ths k. Spyrakh, giati an den kanw laqos, sas rwthse an qa yparjei kai epiplhjh peiqarxikoy xarakthra. Den htan mono se politiko epipedo, poy htan h apanthsh sas, alla kai an qa yparjoyn peiqarxika metra, kata twn boyleytwn poy qa symmetexoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se politiko epipedo yparxei pagia apanthsh se ypoqetika erwthmata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se peiqarxiko, omws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti se ypoqetika erwthmata yparxei pagia apanthsh se politiko epipedo.

KARKANIAS: H erwthsh isws sas exei janaginei, alla me aformh ta syllalhthria kai tis diapragmateyseis ths Paraskeyhs, skeftetai na enhmerwsei h kybernhsh thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada kai thn Kentrikh Epitroph;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth th stigmh den exw kati ypoch moy.

GKATSIOS: Yparxei mia genikoterh apoch oti o politikos kosmos ths xwras antimetwpizei to qema twn Skopiwn me th deoysa sobarothta. Ejairesh, isws, na apotelei o LAOS kai anaferomai sto sygkekrimeno syllalhthrio poy qa diorganwsei thn epomenh Tetarth. Yparxei kapoio sxolio ths kybernhshs gia to syllalhthrio ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio.

GKOYTZANHS: Eipate oti h ypeyqynh kybernhsh askei thn ejwterikh politikh. Ta politika kommata, oi boyleytes, akomh kai oi polites den exoyn symmetoxh se krisimes apofaseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn, gi` ayto akribws kai enhmerwqhkan. Enhmerwqhkan, opws gnwrizete, ola ta koinoboyleytika kommata.

GKOYTZANHS: To syllalhthrio einai kai ayto mia morfh symmetoxhs. H pragmatikh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqe politiko komma krinei ton tropo me ton opoio prepei na kinhqei se mikra h megala zhthmata.

TSIOYFOS: H pragmatopoihsh toy syllalhthrioy qewreite oti dysxerainei oti bohqa h telos pantwn oti einai mia oydeterh prajh se o,ti afora tis diapragmateyseis kai thn proodo twn diapragmateysewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H diapragmateysh ginetai se sygkekrimeno epipedo kai me sygkekrimeno tropo. Ekei pragmatika mporei na lyqei to problhma.

TSIOYFOS: Nai. Rwthsa ean dysxerainetai h oxi ayth h syzhthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa. Mporei na mhn sas ikanopoiei h apanthsh moy, alla egw sas apanthsa.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite to logo gia ton opoio o k. Alogoskoyfhs apomakryne th stenh toy synergatida; An syndeete kai an epibebaiwnete tis plhrofories oti ayto syndeetai me to qema twn bloggers;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei ginei gnwstopoihsh toy qematos apo to grafeio toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, apo xqes. Den exw na prosqesw kati perissotero.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poia einai h apanthsh ths kybernhshs se stelexh toy PASOK poy yposthrizoyn oti xrhsimopoieite thn ypoqesh ayth me ta blogs, prokeimenoy na mhn apanthsete sthn politikh oysia twn erwthsewn poy exoyn kataqesei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa prepei prwta na apanthsei stoys boyleytes toy PASOK, oi opoioi epesan qymata ybristikwn epiqesewn. An, dhladh, to epishmo PASOK kathgorei boyleytes toy  enan, dyo, treis, den qymamai posoi akribws einai- oti exoyn ejyfanei kapoio sxedio me thn kybernhsh. Ayto, loipon, teinei na ginei ena zhthma to opoio nomizw oti apokta idiaitero endiaferon gia ton ekproswpo Typoy toy PASOK kai gia to idio to PASOK.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exete enhmerwqei poia melh ths kybernhshs exoyn katafygei sth Dikaiosynh enantion toy sygkekrimenoy blog;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi k. Xiwth.

XIWTHS: Kai to deytero poy qa hqela na sas rwthsw, skopeyei h kybernhsh na zhthsei apo ton Proedro ths Boylhs -giati katanow thn aytonomia ths Boylhs, alla yparxei ena aithma ths dikastikhs arxhs- na dieykolynei tis ereynes h Boylh, etsi wste na aneyreqei ekeino to proswpo to opoio ejepemce mesa apo th Boylh; Epeidh exoyn perasei arketes hmeres kai akomh den yparxei apanthsh, gnwrizete an ayto qa ginei tis epomenes hmeres;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H Boylh einai diakrith ejoysia. Exei hdh ginei anakoinwsh. To mono to opoio qa hqela na symplhrwsw -epeidh moy egine mia erwthsh, h opoia anagnwsthke kai xqes apo synadelfo sas kai anaferotan sto oti h Boylh zhthse apo to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys gnwmateysh- einai oti plhroforhqhka pws den zhthse apo to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys gnwmateysh, alla apo ton Nomiko Symboylo toy Kratoys poy einai sth Boylh.

XIWTHS: Poia einai h diafora;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To Nomiko Symboylio einai h Olomeleia toy Swmatos.

XIWTHS: Exete gnwsh, sygxwreste me poy epimenw, an telikws ayta ta stoixeia qa doqoyn kai pote;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na apanthsw ek meroys ths Boylhs. Kai nomizw oti h Boylh me thn anakoinwsh toy Genikoy ths Grammatea exei kanei jekaqaro to qema.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o xwros twn anqrwpwn poy asxoloyntai me ta blog kai palaiotera me to Internet, exei mia eyaisqhsia. Einai eyaisqhtoi anqrwpoi kai exoyn kai mia diaforetikh logikh, isws, apo th synhqh. Parakoloyqwntas aytes tis hmeres to ti grafetai sta blog qa sas elega oti bgazoyn ena parapono, oti etsi opws egine o xeirismos ths sygkekrimenhs ypoqeshs, toy press, dysfhmeitai to synolo aytoy toy xwroy. Kai to parapono toys einai pros thn kybernhsh, an to qelete, oti nai men den exei edw pera kapoia ejoysia, wstoso den to xeiristhke me enan tropo poy na toys prostateysei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, opws gnwrizete, oi xeirismoi gia to qema eginan apo th Dikaiosynh. Deyteron, ta mona sxolia poy eginan apo thn kybernhsh einai sxolia ta opoia eginan se ayth thn aiqoysa. Den qymamai na exei milhsei allos ypoyrgos gia th sygkekrimenh ypoqesh plhn twn stoixeiwn ta opoia pareqese o k. Alogoskoyfhs proxqes sth Boylh, se mia syzhthsh eperwthshs. H oysia nomizw oti apantatai me ayta poy eipa sthn arxh: Oti dhladh ayto to opoio prospaqei na kanei h odhgia, h palaia ayth odhgia, einai prwton, na dieykolynei th diakribwsh twn adikhmatwn poy teloyntai mesa apo to Internet. Den omiloyme gia amayrwsh  to eipa kai jekaqara prohgoymenws- h apajiwsh, se kamia periptwsh, olwn ekeinwn twn anqrwpwn, twn synanqrwpwn mas, twn sympolitwn mas. Fantazomai kai polloi ej hmwn qa xrhsimopoioyn kaqhmerina to Internet, allos gia th doyleia toy, allos gia thn proswpikh toy ektonwsh, eyxaristhsh h plhroforhsh, giati prosferei mia seira apo stoixeia ta opoia sthn paidikh mas hlikia oyte kan ta fantazomaste. Se kamia periptwsh, loipon, den yparxei politikh proqesh gia na ginei to otidhpote arnhtiko h gia na ferei me arnhtiko tropo sth dhmosiothta to qema. Allwste, qa mporoysa na sas apanthsw to aplo, dhladh oti sth dhmosiothta ena qema erxetai me polloys tropoys. Exei loipon shmasia -kai egw parakoloyqhsa kai polles cyxraimes fwnes aytes tis hmeres apo ta MME kai dh apo ta hlektronika MME- na tonistei oti to mono to opoio prospaqei na kanei h odhgia toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs -odhgia poy qa enswmatwsei h xwra mas- einai na diasfalistei kata ton kalytero dynato tropo kaqe poliths apo thn telesh adikhmatwn h epiqesewn. Ayto, dhladh, poy symbainei me ola ta mesa dhmosiothtas h en pash periptwsei me olh mas th zwh, thn kaqhmerinothta mas.

PALAIOLOGOS: H erwthsh moy, prokatabolika, qa mporoyse na qewrhqei kai afelhs. Me to shmerino nomiko oplostasio, ta shmerina qesmika metra poy yparxoyn, den prostateyetai to dikaiwma twn politwn apenanti se opoiadhpote adikhmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Teqhke nwritera h erwthsh -nomizw apo ton k. Kakalh- kai thn exw apanthsei. Sas lew, loipon, oti einai profanes pws apo thn apofash ayth, th Synqhkh ayth poy egine to 2001, toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs, sth Boydapesth, prokyptei h anagkh na enisxyqei to nomiko plaisio. Se kamia periptwsh to nomiko plaisio den ginetai desmeytiko se o,ti afora thn eleyqeria toy logoy, thn eleyqeria ekfrashs idewn. Ekeino to opoio kanei einai ean ayrio kapoios se ena opoiodhpote blog sas kathgorhsei me fraseis poy eseis qewreite ybristikes, fraseis tis opoies qewreite apajiwtikes gia to proswpo sas, na mporeite na exete ta nomika opla na kinhqeite. Mexri stigmhs, den htan arketo to nomiko plaisio, dioti qa eprepe na syntrexei mia seira apo parametroys, prokeimenoy na asxolhqei h Dikaiosynh me to qema.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sthn apocinh sygkentrwsh sta Skopia, sthn opoia metexei kai to komma toy Skopianoy prwqypoyrgoy, to diekdikhtiko plaisio einai ``3.000 xronia makedonikhs xwras, 7.000 xronia makedonikhs grafhs''. Ta profanh ayta ceydh bohqoyn thn proseggish twn dyo merwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den prokeitai na arxisoyme dialogo kai malista me diadhlwtes, se sxesh me thn Istoria. H Istoria exei katagrafei, h Istoria den mporei na paraxaraxqei, h Istoria den mporei na allajei, h Istoria einai pagkosmia gnwsth edw kai xiliades xronia, opws shmeiwsate, gia thn ypoqesh ayth poy apotelei ena shmantiko kommati ths Istorias toy Eqnoys mas.

KAKALHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti stoxos ths kyrwshs ths symbashs einai na dieykolynqei h diakribwsh twn adikhmatwn poy synteloyntai mesa sto diktyo. Mporeite na ginetai pio sygkekrimenos; Pws qa epiteyxqei ayto; Dhladh, na topoqethsoyn perissoteroys ``astynomikoys'' toy diadiktyoy kai dikastes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa ginei me tropo poy egine kai stis alles eyrwpaikes xwres, oi opoies efarmosan ayth th Synqhkh. Oytws h allws, h Nomoparaskeyastikh Epitroph, apo tis plhrofories poy exw apo ton armodio ypoyrgo, kinhqhke sth logikh kai twn ypoloipwn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn.

SPYRAKH: Xqes, h 35xronh kathgoroymenh emfanizetai na exei epishmanei sthn apologia ths oti diekrine kapoies eynoikes xrhmatodothseis apo thn pleyra toy prwhn genikoy grammatea toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy, toy k. Zaxopoyloy, se proswpa me ta opoia syndeontan filika kai ayta antistoixws ekproswpoysan sygkekrimenoys foreis. Qelw na rwthsw, me bash kai to prohgoymeno poy mas eixate pei -oti dhladh h kybernhsh diejhgage parallhlh ereyna sto ypoyrgeio Politismoy- an exei prokycei apo thn kybernhtikh ereyna kati antistoixo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton kai kyrion, den gnwrizw ti akribws exei diameifqei, dioti gnwrizete oti h dikografia einai mystikh. Deyteron, qa meinw sth dhlwsh ayth thn opoia eixa kanei otan rwthqhka kai oxi mia fora, thn eixa epanalabei, an qymamai, dyo fores.

Sas eyxaristw.

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