Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-09-29

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 29 Septembrioy 2006

Ariqmos Deltioy: 32388025

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 29 Septembrioy 2006

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs epitrepei th leitoyrgia latomeiwn mesa se arxaiologikoys xwroys, me fwtografiko nomo;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw to sygkekrimeno eidiko qema. Parakalw, na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Exoyme mia tetoia periptwsh sto Markopoylo.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite, opws sas eipa, sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

SPYRAKH: Einai ena qema epishs toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs, alla exei ena krisimo stoixeio, to opoio qa sas parakaloysa na ereynhsete kai na exoyme thn apanthsh sas argotera. Gnwrizete se poio xrono enhmerwqhke apo ton k. Zhsimopoylo, h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs, gia to problhma poy dhmioyrghqhke me ta arxeia sthn Epitroph Antagwnismoy;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei sxetikh anakoinwsh ths Epitrophs Antagwnismoy, sthn opoia sas parapempw gia ola ta sxetika.

SPYRAKH: Qelw na to epanaferw, dioti yparxei ena stoixeio to opoio qa erqei sth dhmosiothta, gi` ayto to epishmainw. Me parapempete sthn Epitroph Antagwnismoy, se ekeinh thn anakoinwsh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw sthn anakoinwsh ths Epitrophs Antagwnismoy, h opoia ekdoqhke, shmera 29 Septembrioy, me deltio Typoy, sto opoio kai sas parapempw.

SIDERHS: Xqes, rwthsa ton k. Roysopoylo, ean einai sobaro to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, to opoio xarakthrisa ``aylh twn qaymatwn''. Stoys eidikoys syntaktes, stoys oikonomikoys, otan ton rwthsan, ti qa ginei me ta xrhmata poy qa xasoyme apo to Tameio Synoxhs apo to 2010, o k. Alogoskoyfhs eipe, as pame mexri tote kai qa doyme. Einai sobaros programmatismos, sobaroy ypoyrgeioy ayth h apanthsh;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs, edwse mia emperistatwmenh kai makra, ej oswn gnwrizw, synenteyjh Typoy, sxedon apokleistika gia to sygkekrimeno qema, xqes. Exoyn doqei apanthseis me megalh akribeia kai me polles leptomereies se ola ta qemata poy syndeontai h akomh kai se qemata poy den syndeontai me to qema poy qijate. Giati eginan kai erwthseis poy den eixan kamia sxesh me to sygkekrimeno qema, alla eginan prospaqeies na ginoyn tetoies syndeseis.

SIDERHS: Epitrecte moy, mia apo tis apanthseis htan kai ayth poy sas eipa kai thn jerete. Kai sas rwtw, ean einai programmatismenos aytos, sobaroy ypoyrgeioy.

ANTWNAROS: H apanthsh, den einai akribws ayth poy metaferate. Qa sas parakaloysa, loipon, na diabasete olh th synenteyjh kai oxi na moy paraqetete apospasmata, ta opoia den apeikonizoyn me akribeia osa eipe o ypoyrgos.

MPALHS: Tis teleytaies hmeres, to ena meta to allo ta kybernhtika stelexh milane gia th meiwsh ths anergias, epikaloymena ariqmoys. Apo thn allh, h GSEE, exei kai mia armodiothta, leei oti ayta einai alxhmeies statistikes. Kapoios profanws diabazei ta noymera anapoda. Mh moy diabasete noymera.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den qa sas diabasw noymera. Poia einai h erwthsh sas parakalw;

MPALHS: Lew aplws oti kapoios diabazei ta noymera anapoda h telika, ti ginetai me to pososto ths anergias;

ANTWNAROS: Prwta ap` ola, ta stoixeia poy doqhkan sxetika me thn anergia, h opoia qa prepei na sas ypenqymisw oti metratai apo thn Eqnikh Statistikh Yphresia, poy exei kai thn eyqynh ths epejergasias twn stoixeiwn, einai sth diaqesh olwn. Deyteron: H meqodologia poy akoloyqeitai gia th metrhsh ths anergias einai staqera h idia apo to 1998. Kai h meqodologia ayth, qa hqela na sas ypenqymisw, elegxetai apo th Eurostat. As mhn ekfrazontai, loipon, epifylajeis, as mh diatypwnontai isxyrismoi, oi opoioi den exoyn kamia bash. Qa hqela na tonisw, me ayth thn eykairia oti apotelei idiaitera qetikh ejelijh h ptwsh ths anergias kata to deytero trimhno toy 2006, sto 8,8%, sto synolo toy ergatikoy dynamikoy ths xwras mas. To pososto ayto -epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- einai to xamhlotero poy exei shmeiwqei sth xwra mas apo to 1998, etos apo to opoio h ereyna toy ergatikoy dynamikoy diejagetai se trimhniaia bash. H shmantikh ayth ptwsh ths anergias poy to Martio toy 2004 htan sto 11,3%, einai apotelesma twn metarryqmisewn poy pragmatopoiei aparegklita, symfwna me to programma ths, h shmerinh kybernhsh.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na sas rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh syzhta to endexomeno na proxwrhsei se epistrateysh twn apergwn daskalwn.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tipote tetoio.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na epanelqw sto qema me to latomeio kai ton arxaiologiko xwro. Me dedomenh thn eyaisqhsia ths Politeias gia thn prostasia twn arxaiologikwn xwrwn, pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti para toy oti yparxoyn telesidikes apofaseis gia na stamathsei h leitoyrgia latomeioy sto Markopoylo, ayto synexizei;

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na sxoliasw mia ypoqesh, thn opoia, opws sas eipa, den gnwrizw. Sas parakalw, na apeyqynqeite...

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Ma, yparxoyn dedomena. Xqes, to STAR apokalyce ayta ta dedomena.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ta sygkekrimena stoixeia. Synepws, den mporw na topoqethqw.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, dexetai ton Arxiepiskopo sto Megaro Majimoy, alla arneitai na dexqei toys apergoys ekpaideytikoys. Anwtatopoiei tis Ekklhsiastikes Sxoles, alla kleinei ta TEI. Syndramei gennaiodwra thn Ekklhsia kai ta synodika megara kai ta jenodoxeia, alla den dinei xrhmata sthn Paideia gia na lyqei to problhma me tis diplobardies. Telika, o Prwqypoyrgos ti elege proeklogika; Prwth proteraiothta einai h Paideia h h Ekklhsia;

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas, den symfwnw -prepei na sas to pw eisagwgika- me toys isxyrismoys toys opoioys perilambanei h erwthsh sas, opws th diatypwsate me tosa polla skelh. Na sas ypenqymisw, gia mia akomh fora, oti h metarryqmish sthn Paideia, oi prospaqeies tis opoies kataballei kai prepei na kataballei h ellhnikh Politeia gia thn ejasfalish oso to dynaton kalyterhs Paideias gia toys Ellhnes neoys, apotelei prwtarxikh proteraiothta ths shmerinhs kybernhshs. H shmerinh kybernhsh antapokrinetai, sta plaisia toy dyskoloy oikonomikoy periballontos, to opoio klhronomhse apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh, sto akeraio stis desmeyseis tis opoies exei analabei, toso me to proeklogiko programma ths Neas Dhmokratias, oso kai me tis programmatikes dhlwseis ths meta tis ekloges toy 2004. Ayto einai pera apo kaqe amfisbhthsh.

O k. Roysopoylos exei anaferqei me polles leptomereies tis teleytaies hmeres, me sygkekrimenoys ariqmoys, sto ti exei prosferei h shmerinh kybernhsh sto xwro ths Paideias, ti shmainei ayto gia ta dhmosia oikonomika kai exei tonisei, epishs, oti h kybernhsh qa kataballei oles tis prospaqeies poy xreiazontai, wste oloi oi stoxoi na ginoyn pragmatikothta. Oi prospaqeies gia beltiwsh ths Paideias den mporoyn na stamathsoyn, oyte na ejantlhqoyn apo th mia mera sthn allh, apo ton ena mhna ston allon. Prokeitai gia mia synexh prospaqeia.

KAKALHS: To ti syzhta shmera o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Arxiepiskopo qa mas peite;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthse, xqes, o k. Roysopoylos. H synanthsh, opws gnwrizete, einai se ejelijh.

SIDERHS: Pws niwsate, xqes, poy jypnhsate pio ploysios;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, dyskoleyeste, gia deytero 24wro, na antilhfqeite ti shmainei ayth h diadikasia poy brisketai akomh se ejelijh. Lypamai, alla alles prospaqeies, pera apo aytes poy katebale o k. Roysopoylos, xqes, den eimai se qesh na katabalw.

IWANNOY: Epeidh kai xqes to brady o Prwqypoyrgos sto deipno poy eixe me toys boyleytes eipe oti pash qysia prepei na proxwrhsei h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish na rwthsw, exei oloklhrwqei telika to teliko sxedio; Pote qa proxwrhsei h kybernhsh; Einai kairos twra poy h kybernhsh leei oti qa proxwrhsei. Eisaste etoimoi;

ANTWNAROS: O dialogos brisketai se ejelijh. Otan yparjoyn kainoyrgies ejelijeis, na eiste bebaioi oti qa tis plhroforhqeite.

SPYRAKH: Qelw na sas rwthsw, meta ta teleytaia dedomena, opws diamorfwnontai sthn Epitroph Antagwnismoy, oti yparxei h yphrje parembash sta arxeia ths Epitrophs, oti yphrje mia eikona oti den htan ta grafeia akomh kai toy kratoymenoy, toy profylakisqentos pleon Adamopoyloy asfalismena k.t.l., ean sas problhmatizei ayth h eikona ws kybernhsh se mia Epitroph, thn opoia, opws epaneilhmmena epishmanate edw thn exete enisxysei me proswpiko, ean sas problhmatizei ayth h eikona ths Epitrophs Antagwnismoy kai an h kybernhsh antimetwpizei to endexomeno na qesei qema, se o,ti afora th systash twn melwn ths.

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite ``th systash twn melwn ths'';

SPYRAKH: Ennow ena qema empistosynhs ws pros to proswpo toy Proedroy kai twn melwn ths, dedomenoy oti ayth h eikona deixnei oti yparxoyn stoixeia poy deixnoyn elleich elegxoy.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai dikh sas ermhneia, thn opoia egw den symmerizomai. Sas parepemca se anakoinwsh ths Epitrophs Antagwnismoy, h opoia anaferetai, arketa leptomereiaka qa elega, se orismena apo ta shmeia poy qijate me thn erwthsh sas. Apoch ths kybernhshs einai oti h Epitroph Antagwnismoy, h opoia enisxyetai synexws me to aparaithto proswpiko, prepei na afeqei eleyqerh kai aperispasth, wste na antapokriqei sthn apostolh poy ths exei anateqei.

POYLIDOY: Xqes, h ekproswpos ths Epitropoy Xoympner dhlwse stis Bryjelles oti ean h Ellada qelhsei thn ayjhsh toy AEP kata 25%, me ena proxeiro ypologismo ths Komision, ta esoda apo to dhmosionomiko paketo 2007-2013 poy qa epairne h xwra mas ycoys 3,3 dis. eyrw, qa meiwqoyn toylaxiston kata 1,4 dis. eyrw. Ayto shmainei praktika oti mia ejelijh poy eixe qewrhqei epityxia ths kybernhshs meiwnetai drastika. Pws sxoliazete ayto to gegonos;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na topoqethqw se kamia ypoqesh apo opoy ki an diatypwnetai.

SIDERHS: Allwste, einai xamhlobaqmh ypallhlos.

POYLIDOY: Apo armodio koinotiko qesmo diatypwnetai.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia mia ypoqesh, h opoia emperiexei polla ``ean kai efoson''. As perimenoyme, loipon, thn ejelijh mias diadikasias, h opoia -opws sas eipa kai eisagwgika se synafh erwthsh synadelfoy sas poy moy egine- brisketai se ejelijh.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Eipate ligo prin gia thn Epitroph Antagwnismoy oti enisxyetai synexws kai oti prepei na afeqei eleyqerh gia na antapokriqei sto rolo ths. Ti ennoeite ``na afeqei eleyqerh'';

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei afhsei thn Epitroph Antagwnismoy apolytws eleyqerh na antapokrinetai sto rolo ths. Alloi einai ekeinoi oi opoioi prospaqoyn na ephreasoyn me ton ena h allo tropo th leitoyrgia ths Epitrophs Antagwnismoy.

SPYRAKH: To erwthma einai prwton, poioi einai oi alloi, ean moy epitrepete kai deyteron, antapokrinetai sto rolo ths; Den qetoyme qema eleyqerias. Antapokrinetai sto rolo ths h Epitroph Antagwnismoy;

ANTWNAROS: H Epitroph Antagwnismoy exei sygkekrimeno qesmiko rolo kai mesa sta plaisia aytoy toy qesmikoy roloy kanei th doyleia ths.

SPYRAKH: Oi alloi poioi einai;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

IWANNOY: Kai epeidh eseis eixate paradexqei, yparxei ayth th stigmh ena klima sto qesmo kai sthn Epitroph Antagwnismoy. Kata th gnwmh ths kybernhshs, pws mporei na jeperasei h Epitroph ayth thn kakh eikona, h opoia kalws h kakws ephreazei kata kapoio tropo kai th leitoyrgia ths apo edw kai pera;

ANTWNAROS: Se ayto to plhgma to opoio lete oti eixa pei kai pragmati eixa xrhsimopoihsei th lejh ``plhgma'', anaferqhka se sxesh me ena sygkekrimeno memonwmeno peristatiko, to opoio omws, se kamia periptwsh, den mporei na skiasei to qesmiko rolo poy exei h Epitroph Antagwnismoy. Epimenw: H Epitroph Antagwnismoy, opws oloi oi qesmoi ths xwras mas, prepei na einai anempodistoi sthn askhsh toy qesmikoy roloy poy toys exei anateqei.

KALARITHS: Qelw na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh skopeyei na katartisei ton proypologismo kai toy 2008. Kai sas rwtw, giati yparxei mia dhlwsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh ston ``Ependyth'' oti me ton proypologismo toy 2007 h kybernhsh oloklhrwse to ergo ths.

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizw th dhlwsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh oti th Deytera 2 Oktwbrioy qa katateqei to prosxedio toy proypologismoy. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

KALARITHS: H anaqewrhsh twn stoixeiwn apo thn Eqnikh Statistikh Yphresia, prokeimenoy na epanaprosdioristei to AEP, apo poy to briskete se ejelijh;

ANTWNAROS: Exei anaferqei se ayto, me oles tis leptomereies poy xreiazontai, o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

MELIGGWNHS: H proeklogikh sas desmeysh gia to 5% toy AEP sthn Paideia thn opoia exete dhlwsei oti qa ekplhrwsete se baqos tetraetias, qa einai anaforika me to palio AEP h to anaqewrhmeno;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh, ayth th stigmh, na sas apanthsw. Prokeitai gia mia eidikh erwthsh. Mporw na enhmerwqw apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn kai na sas apanthsw.

MELIGGWNHS: To elleimma kai to dhmosio xreos apo edw kai pera sthn epixeirhmatologia ths kybernhshs, qa anaferontai anaforika AEP h me to anaqewrhmeno;

ANTWNAROS: Exei apanthsei se ayta o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Epixeireitai syndesh qematwn, ta opoia den exoyn sxesh to ena me to allo.

MELIGKWNHS: Dhladh, ayto poy rwtaw einai oi ypoxrewseis ths kybernhshs kai oi desmeyseis ths qa syndeontai me to palio AEP;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na anatrejete se oles tis erwthseis poy eginan xqes ston k. Alogoskoyfh..

MANH: Shmera lhgei h Synodos ths Boylhs. Synepws, tyxon adikhmata ths prohgoymenhs periodoy paragrafontai. H kybernhsh einai enhmerh gia to ti egine me toys perifhmoys logariasmoys ths Elbetias gia toys TOR-M1, ejaitias twn opoiwn emeine anoikth o Olomeleia to kalokairi;

ANTWNAROS: Me th qyrokollhsh shmera toy Proedrikoy Diatagmatos gia th lhjh ths deyteras Synodoy ths Boylhs, ws gnwston, den einai dynath h askhsh poinikhs diwjhs enanti politikwn proswpwn logw paragrafhs. Dikaiwnetai omws h kybernhsh gia thn apofash ths na mhn ekdwsei to Proedriko Diatagma sta telh Ioynioy, dioti einai gnwsto oti stis arxes Ioylioy o Genikos Eisaggeleas ths Geneyhs esteile epistolh sto Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs ths xwras mas, me thn opoia gnwstopoiei thn telikh toy apofash gia to anoigma twn gnwstwn logariasmwn. Antilambaneste loipon oti ejantlhqhkan ola ta syntagmatika periqwria kai oi nomikes dynatothtes gia thn mh lhjh ths Synodoy. Ean eixe symbei to antiqeto, ean dhladh eixe ekdoqei to diatagma gia th lhjh ths Synodoy ton Ioynio, tote orismenoi endexomenws qa mporoysan na diatypwsoyn mia kathgoria gia sygkalych.

MANH: (den akoygetai)... ta stoixeia an exete enhmerwsh...

ANTWNAROS: An yphrxan stoixeia gia toys logariasmoys, na eisaste bebaih oti qa eixan gnwstopoihqei. Mexri stigmhs den yparxoyn.

KAKALHS: Den jerw an dikaiwnetai h kybernhsh poy krathse anoikth th Boylh to kalokairi gia to skandalo toy TOR-M1, alla sigoyra dikaiwnetai otan milage gia skandalo to opoio apodeiknyetai, toylaxiston ws pros tis politikes toy eyqynes, oti den yparxoyn. H yparxei prospaqeia symchfismoy;

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na anaferqw se apospasmata toy porismatos ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, h opoia asxolhqhke me to qema. Metajy twn allwn, epi lejei anaferetai sto porisma: ``Apo thn Kyria Symbash, h tote hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas, prokalese me qetikh energeia (egkrish katabolwn) oikonomikh zhmia sto Ellhniko dhmosio''. Se allo shmeio toy porismatos anaferetai pali oti ``h symperifora ths hgesias toy YPEQA, tote, prokalese oikonomikh zhmia sto Ellhniko dhmosio me paralhch ofeilomenwn energeiwn''. Trito shmeio: ``H trith tropopoihsh stis 03/07/2003 kai h katabolh epipleon posostoy 20% sth rwsikh etaireia, apotelese profanws blaptikh gia ta symferonta toy Ellhnikoy dhmosioy diaxeiristikh prajh''. Krinete eseis oti me bash ayta ta sygkekrimena eyrhmata toy porismatos den eprepe h kybernhsh na kanei o,ti ekane;

IWANNOY: Eipate sthn apanthsh sas sthn arxh oti yparxei oytws h allws paragrafh gia ta politika proswpa. Swsta;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti den mporei na askhqei poinikh diwjh se politika proswpa logw paragrafhs. H sygkekrimenh ryqmish einai allwste gnwsth.

IWANNOY: Gia poio logo eprepe na ejantlhqei h ereyna efoson oytws h allws ean briskontoysan stoixeia, yparxei qema paragrafhs. An to katalaba swsta.

ANTWNAROS: Apo shmera yparxei paragrafh. H kybernhsh, oi Arxes ths Politeias, katebalan oles tis prospaqeies tis opoies eprepe na kataballoyn, prokeimenoy na lamcei h alhqeia. Kai oi prospaqeies aytes -pera apo thn paragrafh poy anaferetai sta politika proswpa- qa synexisoyn na kataballontai. Qa synexisei h Politeia na kataballei tis prospaqeies poy exei th dynatothta na kataballei sta plaisia toy nomoy, wste na lamcei h alhqeia.

SPYRAKH: Ayto poy mas lete afora mh politika proswpa.

ANTWNAROS: Eimai safhs sto ti eipa.

SPYRAKH: Nai. Ayto shmainei oti qa synexistoyn oi ereynes ths Dikaiosynhs; Exete tetoia plhroforhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai qema plhroforhshs. H paragrafh sthn opoia egine anafora pro oligoy, afora ta politika proswpa. Eidikotera, tis poinikes eyqynes gia politika proswpa.

IWANNOY: ... (den akoygetai) ta proswpa toy Ypoyrgeioy Amynas ta opoia einai hdh sth dikografia, qa ta labei ypoch ths h Dikaiosynh;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: H paragrafh gia thn opoia egine logos molis pro oligoy, afora apokleistika thn askhsh poinikhs diwjhs kata politikwn proswpwn.

KALARITHS: Eipate nwritera oti kapoioi alloi einai aytoi oi opoioi empodizoyn to ergo ths Epitrophs Antagwnismoy, alla den toys katonomazete. Fantazomai omws oti toys gnwrizete gia na anaferqeite. Exete kataqesei ta sxetika stoixeia ston Eisaggelea;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw to eipa.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na rwthsw an h kybernhsh exei th diaqesh na sxoliasei to shmerino prwtoselido dhmosieyma twn  Financial Times , sto opoio emfanizetai h Aqhna na ayjanei to AEP ths kai me th symbolh toy arxaioteroy epaggelmatos.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti h sygkekrimenh diadikasia einai se ejelijh. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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