Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-05-02

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Aqhna, 2 Maioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Xronia polla kai kalo mhna.

Opws gnwrizete, synedriase h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Exei hdh kanei dhlwseis o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Alogoskoyfhs, o opoios enhmerwse thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph gia thn poreia ths oikonomias. H plhrhs eishghsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh, qa doqei se ligh wra, stoys oikonomikoys syntaktes. Exei idiaitero endiaferon gia ola ta megeqh ths. Xarakthristiko twn megeqwn kai toy kaloy ryqmoy ston opoio kineitai pleon h ellhnikh oikonomia einai: o ryqmos anaptyjhs, poy einai staqera panw apo to 3%, kaqws kai polla alla megeqh poy emfanizontai kai einai poly qetika. H prospaqeia apodidei karpoys. Eimaste bebaioi oti h synexizomenh prospaqeia qa dwsei poly megalyteroys karpoys apo aytoys poy polloi anemenan.

Oson afora to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, na sas qymisw oti:

Ayrio, stis 14:30, o Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei gia th Qessalonikh, opoy qa proedreysei sth Synodo Koryfhs ths diadikasias synergasias twn xwrwn ths Notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Sas akoyw na lete oti eyhmeroyn oi ariqmoi. Omws, ypociazomai oti ki eseis exete akoysei oti yparxoyn polla parapona, prwton gia thn aisxrokerdeia kai deyteron, gia megales ayjhseis kyriws sto epipedo twn kaysimwn. Skefteste na kanete kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to zhthma ths aisxrokerdeias yparxei mia diarkhs prospaqeia -opws gnwrizete- apo ta armodia ypoyrgeia gia thn patajh ths. Oi elegxoi exoyn apodwsei kai ayto einai gnwsto. Se o,ti afora thn timh twn kaysimwn, h anodos ths timhs toy petrelaioy einai megalh kai ayto isxyei se olo ton kosmo. Ta dyo problhmata, oysiastika, poy exei na antimetwpisei h pagkosmia oikonomia einai: To men prwto h timh toy petrelaioy, to de deytero twn epitokiwn. Ayta einai ta dyo zhthmata poy mporei na apoteloyn kai toys astaqmhtoys paragontes. Kata ta loipa, h ellhnikh oikonomia badizei se poly kalyteroys ryqmoys apo toys ryqmoys twn perasmenwn etwn kai antimetwpizei ta problhmata ths me staqerothta.

KAKALHS: Qelete na mas peite kati perissotero gia thn synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Erntogan thn Pempth kai pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti o k. Erntogan apofasise na erqei sth Qessalonikh meta tis diabebaiwseis poy phre apo thn k. Rais gia koinh stash sto Kypriako kai sthrijh ths eyrwpaikhs poreias ths Toyrkias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw sxolio epi toy sxolioy poy oysiastika emperiexei h erwthsh sas. Qa pw mono oti o k. Erntogan qa erqei gia na symmetasxei sth diadikasia synergasias twn xwrwn ths Notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs.

KAKALHS: Qa exei idiaiterh synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa syzhthqoyn qemata poy aforoyn kai th synergasia sthn Notioanatolikh Eyrwph kai bebaiws qemata amoibaioy endiaferontos.

IWANNOY: Diabazoyme shmera se mia synenteyjh ston ``Eleyqero Typo'' toy k. Papadopoyloy na leei oti den prokeitai h Kypriakh Dhmokratia na qysiasei ta symferonta ths gia na ginei aresth stis HPA kai malista, kata kapoio tropo, ekfrazei kai mia apoch oti yparxei mia allh symperifora twn HPA pros thn Kypro kai mia allh pros thn Toyrkia, oti einai dhladh eynoika diakeimenh pros thn Toyrkia kai oti, oytws h allws, opws leei o k. Papadopoylos den prokeitai pote na apokthsoyme thn eynoia thn HPA. Qewreite oti ayth h stash, h apoch toy k. Papadopoyloy shmatodotei kai mia arnhtikh stash ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn ejelijh toy Kypriakoy kai twn ellhnotoyrkikwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa htan adokimo na sxoliasw tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias. Wstoso, qelw na epishmanw -kai ayto qewrw oti ypobohqa to dhmosiografiko ergo sas- na deite kalytera th synenteyjh. Xrhsimopoihsate ekfraseis kai kriseis, oi opoies mallon den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta.

IWANNOY: Exw mprosta moy ti akribws eipe o k. Papadopoylos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na sxoliasete ayta poy leei shmera o k. Pagkalos se mia synenteyjh oti o Prwqypoyrgos einai apwn, oti to ``paizei aristeros'' kai kati alla. Thn eidate th synenteyjh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Pagkalos einai armodiothtas toy k. Aqanasakh.

POYLIDOY: Exoyme kati neotero gia thn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Agkyra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exoyme kati kainoyrgio.

SARANTAKOS: Hqela na rwthsw ean exete enhmerwqei gia thn epistolh poy apesteile o kaqhghths k. Kremastinos ston Prwqypoyrgo kai ton ypoyrgo Ygeias k. Abramopoylo sxetika me ena qema poy exei anakycei me thn ejairesh toy k. Kremastinoy nomizw apo Epitroph Ajiologhshs Giatrwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na exei fqasei tetoia epistolh ston Prwqypoyrgo. Wstoso, eimai bebaios oti o k. Abramopoylos qa asxolhqei me to qema.

PAPADOPOYLOS: To ``Bhma'' eixe ena kyrio arqro thn Kyriakh kai elege oti bebaiws h kybernhsh mporei na mhn ekane megales metarryqmiseis kai erga, alla den asxolhqhke oyte me ta aytonohta sta problhmata ths ygeias. Skeptetai h kybernhsh na bohqhsei praktikws ton k. Abramopoylo gia na leitoyrghsei to Attiko Nosokomeio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto sxolio sas, h kybernhsh oxi aplws asxolhqhke, alla asxoleitai diarkws me qemata ygeias. Gnwrizete poly kala oti antimetwpise me epityxia ena qema poy xronize sta dhmosia nosokomeia, to qema toy rantzoy. Sto plaisio twn proeklogikwn mas desmeysewn synexizoyme to programma mas. Kanoyme prajh to programma gia thn ygeia, to opoio einai shmantiko sthn parembash toy sthn ellhnikh koinwnia. Eidikotera gia to Attiko Nosokomeio h gia opoio allo nosokomeio, parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio. H prospaqeia poy ginetai sto plaisio twn oikonomikwn toy kratoys ginetai se oloys toys tomeis kai gia ta qemata ygeias.

BLAXOS: Symfwna me kapoia plhroforia o k. Gkioyl eipe sthn k. Mpakogiannh oti den exei th dynatothta h kybernhsh ths Toyrkias na anoijei thn Xalkh. Exete tetoia plhroforhsh; Qa to qesei ayto o k. Karamanlhs ston k. Erntogan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw tetoia plhroforia. Se kaqe periptwsh, gnwrizete oti einai ena dieqnes qema. Sto plaisio ths eyrwpaikhs poreias ths Toyrkias entassetai -opws exoyme pei polles fores- kai o sebasmos toy dikaiwmatos sthn qrhskeytikh eleyqeria.

BLAXOS: Xwris atzenta paei o Prwqypoyrgos sth synanthsh me ton k. Erntogan; Den qa toy qesei kapoio qema gia na mporoyme na jeroyme ti ginetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete aytes oi synanthseis diabaqmizontai. Exoyn mia seira qematwn, ta opoia syzhtoyntai. Opws sas eipa -thn atzenta thn anakoinwsa prin- qa syzhthsoyn zhthmata poy aforoyn th diadikasia synergasias Notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs. Sto plaisio ayto yparxoyn kai qemata poy apasxoloyn tis dyo xwres.

BLAXOS: Kati sygkekrimeno den yparxei, dhladh; To Patriarxeio, tis parabiaseis sto Aigaio apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias. Xqes, opws eidate, egine kati me ton Patriarxh. Phge na kanei mia leitoyrgia o Patriarxhs kai Toyrkoi katoikoi anebhkan panw sthn ekklhsia kai kremasan thn toyrkikh shmaia. Kati sygkekrimeno den yparxei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sygkekrimena einai pantote ta qemata poy syzhtoyntai. Anaferqhka hdh se ayta. Omws, moy dinete thn eykairia na kanw ena sxolio me aformh thn antidrash orismenwn Toyrkwn politwn xqes: Tetoioy eidoys antidraseis, tetoioy eidoys kinhseis, se kamia periptwsh den bohqoyn thn prosarmogh ths geitonos xwras sthn eyrwpaikh ths poreia.

KYRITSHS: Exw treis erwthseis: H prwth einai ean h kybernhsh qewrei oti einai aytonohto pws qa prosferei stis HPA opoiadhpote stratiwtikh dieykolynsh sthn periptwsh poy analaboyn drash kata toy Iran. H deyterh einai ean yparxei periptwsh h Ellada na chfisei sto Symboylio Asfaleias ypo opoiesdhpote proypoqeseis sthn analhch stratiwtikhs drashs kata toy Iran kai h trith einai se allo qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia tis dyo prwtes erwthseis sas, qelw na pw oti tetoio qema den exei teqei apo kanenan. Kata synepeia, den qa arxisw na apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis gia to ean qa teqei kapote kapoio qema, san ayto poy eipate.

KYRITSHS: Eipe o k. Meimarakhs oti einai aytonohto, gi ayto sas rwtaw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete laqos. O k. Meimarakhs milhse gia th xwra kai tis symbatikes ypoxrewseis, tis opoies prepei na threi. Kaqe xwra exei symbatikes ypoxrewseis. Opws eseis, gia paradeigma, ean eiste enoikiasths exete ypogracei na threite th symbatikh sas ypoxrewsh, na plhrwnete to enoikio mia fora to mhna, etsi kai kaqe xwra exei symbatikes ypoxrewseis. Se ayto anaferqhke o k. Meimarakhs. Oson afora to sygkekrimeno poy me rwthsate, isxyei ayto poy sas eipa: Oti tetoio qema den exei teqei apo kanenan. Den exei oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia. Qa ginei syzhthsh sto Symboylio Asfaleias. H Ellada metexei kai oxi aplws metexei, alla einai kai apo ekeines tis xwres, oi opoies briskontai sthn prwth grammh ths apochs oti qa prepei na prosejoyme para poly na mhn yparxei ejaplwsh twn pyrhnikwn. Proetoimazoyme kai prospaqoyme na proetoimasoyme enan kosmo eirhniko gia ta paidia mas kai oxi enan kosmo ston opoio qa zhsoyn mesa se fobies kai foboys, ejaitias twn pyrhnikwn.

KYRITSHS: Ta krithria me ta opoia qa chfisoyme sto Symboylio Asfaleias qa hqela ean einai eykolo na ta perigracete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme poly kairo akoma. To yp` ariqmon ena krithrio einai ayto poy sas eipa se sxesh me thn eirhnh kai tis diadikasies eirhneyshs.

KYRITSHS: Skopeyei h kybernhsh na nomoqethsei gia thn ``ajiopoihsh'' twn xrhmatwn twn tameiwn sto Xrhmatisthrio. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ti qa ginei sthn periptwsh poy to Xrhmatisthrio den paei kala kai exoyn ependyqei ola ayta ta xrhmata ekei, th stigmh poy hdh ta tameia antimetwpizoyn sobarotata problhmata. Epimenei h kybernhsh na nomoqethsei se ayth thn kateyqynsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai, isws, to qema sto opoio anafereste. Qa qelate na ginete pio safhs; Otan lete ``skopeyei h kybernhsh'' poy anafereste;

KYRITSHS: Diabasa oti prokeitai na nomoqethsei gia thn ajiopoihsh twn xrhmatwn twn tameiwn mesw ependysewn sto Xrhmatisthrio kai se alloys tomeis ths oikonomias kai hqela na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh mporei na einai bebaih oti aytoy toy eidoys h ependysh den qa odhghsei sto xasimo twn xrhmatwn aytwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa anaferqw se kati to opoio, opws moy eipate, diabasate. Den exei yparjei epishmh kybernhtikh anakoinwsh gia kati tetoio, ej oswn gnwrizw. Se kaqe periptwsh, ekeino poy qelw na sas pw einai oti o sebasmos sto dhmosio xrhma, sto xrhma toy Ellhna polith, einai apo tis proteraiothtes ayths ths kybernhshs kai to exei apodeijei.

BLAXOS: Sthn prwth apanthsh ths prwths erwthshs toy synadelfoy, an katalabainw kala kanete mia mikrh ``mphxth'' ston k. Meimarakh, poy prosetreje na pei oti qa dwsoyme th Soyda stoys Amerikanoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Den katalabainete kaqoloy kala. Kai me entypwsiazei pws katalabainete ayto poy katalabainete, giati xrhsimopoihsa frash toy k. Meimarakh, apantwntas oti h xwra mas exei symbatikes ypoxrewseis.

BLAXOS: Eipate th frash ``den exei teqei qema apo kanenan''. Ara, qa mporoyse ayto na paei kai ston k. Meimarakh. Oti, pws qeteis qema k. ypoyrge ths Eqnikhs Amynas, afoy hdh den sto exoyn zhthsei. Gi` ayto polloi elegan oti o k. Meimarakhs den eprepe na to pei. Ara, erxeste kai eseis na epibebaiwsete aytoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na kanete dialogikh syzhthsh sto ``paraqyro'' toy kanalioy poy ergazeste. Edw, otan kanete erwthseis, sas apantw. Sas apanthsa, loipon.

BLAXOS: Sas rwtw. Erwthsh den einai; Einai ``mphxth'' h den einai telika;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa hdh dyo fores.

XIWTHS: Qelw na epistrecw sth synenteyjh toy k. Papadopoyloy. Qelw na moy peite ean oi apoceis poy ekfrazei synolika o k. Papadopoylos sth synenteyjh ayth, aphxoyn kai tis apoceis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete kai opws exoyme pei para polles fores, oi politikes ginontai sto plaisio ths amoibaias katanohshs kai synennohshs metajy twn dyo xwrwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eixate zhthsei mia gnwmateysh apo to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys gia thn AGB. Sas hrqe; Ti leei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei erqei akoma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote, dhladh, anamenete; Den mporeite na@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei anejarthth leitoyrgia to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys. Qa perimenw thn apanthsh toy kai qa sas to anakoinwsw molis erqei, giati antilambanomai oti exei ena dhmosio endiaferon.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sthn periodo twn diakopwn toy briefing eipate gi` ayto to nomosxedio gia tis adeiodothseis poy qa doqoyn gia ta nea thleoptika kanalia k.t.l. Poses adeies qa doqoyn; Eji h oxtw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanenas ariqmos den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta. Den exei anakoinwqei apo thn kybernhsh ariqmos, oyte eipwqhke ariqmos sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Einai lanqasmenes oi plhrofories poy dhmosieythkan.

BLAXOS: Sthn efhmerida ``TO PRWTO QEMA'' qa dwsete adeia; Sas hrqe h aithsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw dwsei to logo ston k. Papadopoylo.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Anejarthtws toy ariqmoy twn adeiwn poy qa dwsete, mporeite na desmeyqeite ean qa doqoyn aytes prin apo tis dhmotikes ekloges; Kai ena deytero erwthma: Ean o ariqmos poy qa anakoinwsei h kybernhsh den kalyptei ola ta kanalia poy leitoyrgoyn me panellhnia embeleia, ta kanalia ayta qa anagkastoyn na kleisoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, o telikos ariqmos qa anakoinwqei otan ola einai etoima. Deyteron, qelw na sas qymisw th diadikasia: Den dinei adeies h kybernhsh. Adeies dinei to ESR. Ara, loipon, to erwthma, ean qa dwsei h kybernhsh kai se poioys qa dwsei adeia, opws katalabainete -epeidh akoysthke kai apo synadelfo sas sthn aiqoysa- parelkei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Oxi. Den rwthsa egw ayto. Ean dwsete ena sygkekrimeno ariqmo, o opoios omws einai mikroteros apo ton ariqmo twn kanaliwn poy hdh leitoyrgoyn, ayta ta kanalia poy qa meinoyn ektos ths adeiodothshs ti qa kanoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan lete ``hdh leitoyrgoyn'', ti ennoeite; Nomimws;

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ayto eseis to jerete kai oi armodies yphresies.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akribws epeidh qelw na katalabw ti ennoeite, gi` ayto@

PAPADOPOYLOS: Nomimws, den leitoyrgei kanena.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Den ta jerete kala. Yparxoyn bebaiwseis nomimoy leitoyrgias gia orismena kanalia, yparxoyn adeiodothseis kanaliwn poy eginan prin apo peripoy 13-14 xronia kai@

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kai den ananewqhkan.

ROYSOPOYLOS: @apo tote den janaeginan adeiodothseis. Yparxei mia apopeira apo to prohgoymeno ESR, h opoia emeine sth mesh, giati egine prosfygh sto StE. Ekeino poy dhmioyrghse ta qemata, isws epeidh exei syzhthqei arketa sth dhmosiothta, einai to zhthma toy ariqmoy. H apofash toy StE problepei -kai ayto to exw pei dhmosiws, sto dhmosio dialogo- oti qa prepei, ektos ths genikhs stoxeyshs kanaliwn, na yparxoyn kai eidikhs stoxeyshs kanalia. Ayto, omws, opws gnwrizete, einai apo tis basikes probleceis poy ginontai sto proteinomeno nomosxedio. Se kaqe periptwsh, o,ti leei o nomos qa isxysei.

SARANTAKOS: Einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs na ayjhsei to xrono ths qhteias ths ekastote kybernhshs apo tessera se pente h eji xronia kai na kaqierwsei to asymbibasto metajy ths idiothtas toy boyleyth kai ths idiothtas toy ypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, ayto den exei na kanei me tis proqeseis ths kybernhshs. Anafereste profanws sthn eishghsh gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos.

SARANTAKOS: Sto Syntagma, na to proteinei, en pash periptwsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekei akoygontai diafores protaseis kai h Nea Dhmokratia qa qesei tis dikes ths protaseis sth dhmosia syzhthsh, se syzhthsh sth Boylh, sthn armodia Epitroph. Gnwrizete, hdh, oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei kaqorisei peripoy to plaisio ths anaqewrhshs. Ara, loipon, den exw na pw kati twra. Akoygontai polles protaseis apo polles pleyres. Otan arxisei h syzhthsh sth Boylh, eimai bebaios oti qa epixeirhmatologhsoyn oloi osoi ayth th stigmh kanoyn kapoies protaseis.

SARANTAKOS: Ayta ta dyo poy sas eipa, eseis pws ta krinete, ws politiko proswpo, ws boyleyths, ypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epeidh eimai edw ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos kai den dinw proswpikh synenteyjh, qa moy epitrecete na mhn kanw krish epi twn protasewn.

SARANTAKOS: Exete, omws, to klima poy afora kai ton Prwqypoyrgo, gi` ayto sas rwtw. An entassontai sto plaisio poy eqese o Prwqypoyrgos sthn omilia toy sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, ayta ta dyo sygkekrimena zhthma poy sas eqesa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei kanei sygkekrimenh omilia sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada. Den qa pw kati perissotero. Qa exoyme thn eykairia sto mellon na janadoyme polla qemata gyrw apo thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos, otan arxisei kai h syzhthsh sth Boylh.

KOSKINIDOY: Sto shmerino fyllo ths efhmeridas o proedros toy SEB k. Kyriakopoylos askhse entonh kritikh sthn oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs, enw parallhla xarakthrizei laikistes koryfaia stelexh. Kai sth synexeia ths synenteyjhs (den akoygetai) toy asfalistikoy mesa sta epomena dyo xronia, enw problepei anodo toy PASOK sthn ejoysia. To sxolio sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio.

KYRITSHS: Einai ligo palio to qema. Afora to Pasxa. Parathrhqhke to fainomeno na leipoyn karabia. Oi aktoplooi efoplistes den dromologhsan ta karabia gia ta nhsia. Yphrje kosmos poy eixe problhmata, den mporesan na pane diakopes, den mporoysan na gyrisoyn. Enocei ths toyristikhs sezon pws skopeyei h kybernhsh na to antimetwpisei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epikoinwnhsa shmera to prwi me to Ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias kai apo ta stoixeia poy moy doqhkan gia tis dyo teleytaies ebdomades, dhladh thn periodo toy Pasxa kai ths Prwtomagias, prokyptei oti diakinhqhkan dekades xiliades epibatwn me apolyth tajh kai xwris kaqysterhseis. Ayth einai h eikona poy exw apo to Ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias. Ean exete kati pio sygkekrimeno, parakalw, apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio.

XIWTHS: Exw dyo diaforetikes erwthseis. H prwth afora th Syntagmatikh Anaqewrhsh. Epeidh apo tis protaseis poy katatiqentai dhmosiws, kapoies hdh tis exei aporricei h kybernhsh kai kapoies alles hdh tis exei dexqei. Qelw na epanaferw to erwthma synadelfoy kai qa hqela na mas peite ean aytes oi dyo protaseis gia thn pentaetia kai to asymbibasto boyleyth-ypoyrgoy, ean h kybernhsh tis meleta qetika h arnhtika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa apanthsw to idio. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

XIWTHS: H deyterh erwthsh moy exei na kanei me tis dhmotikes ekloges. O k. Meimarakhs thn perasmenh ebdomada eipe oti oi dhmarxoi kai oi nomarxes poy yphretoyn ayto to ajiwma kai exoyn eklegei me th Nea Dhmokratia, exoyn aytomata to xrisma kai gia tis epomenes ekloges. Ayto isxyei kai gia thn periptwsh toy k. Agrapidh, toy opoioy h ypochfiothta amfisbhteitai apo stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs ths, parakalw na th qesete sto komma. Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos, qa kanw mia ejairesh, oxi gia alloys logoys alla dioti opws gnwrizete, molis prin apo liges hmeres, o Prwqypoyrgos synanthqhke me ton k. Agrapidh kai syzhthse mazi toy zhthmata toy Dhmoy Peiraiws kai ths eklogikhs maxhs stis eperxomenes dhmotikes ekloges.

XIWTHS: Synepws qewreitai ypochfios;

BLAXOS: Phre to xrisma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo to komma. H apanthsh dinetai apo to komma.

XIWTHS: Ektos apo komma, se ypochfioys sthrijh parexei kai h kybernhsh. Den einai kati diaforetiko s` ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eyxaristw gia thn plhroforia. Thn eixa akoysei sto parelqon. Thn hjera. Qelw na sas epanalabw, oson afora ton k. Agrapidh, gia na mhn exoyme syzhthseis h parafilologies, oti pragmatopoihqhke synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, sto plaisio ths opoias exoyn syzhthqei mia seira qematwn bebaiws kai h eperxomenh ypochfiothta toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Moy eipate prohgoymenws na apeyqynqw ston k. Aqanasakh gia ton k. Pagkalo. Alla o k. Pagkalos anaferqhke ston Prwqypoyrgo. O k. Aqanasakhs qa moy apanthsei gia ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw kanei sxolia gia ton k. Pagkalo gia ta sxolia poy kata kairoys ejapolyei enantion toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Isxyei to idio dhladh.

BLAXOS: Eiste ikanopoihmenos gia ton xeirismo ths ypoqesh me ton ``melitaio pyreto'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite ean eimai ikanopoihmenos.

BLAXOS: Exoyn arrwsthsei anqrwpoi, kapoioi lene oti yparxei kindynos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to qema ayto gnwrizw oti qa ginei entos ths hmeras, se liges wres ektenhs anakoinwsh apo to armodio ypoyrgeio. H prospaqeia ths Politeias -kaqe Politeias- einai na prostateyei toys polites, na problepei kai na dhmioyrgei tis synqhkes ekeines gia na mhn ejaplwnetai ena problhma apo th stigmh poy ayto gennietai.

BLAXOS: Ayto egine; H prospaqeia petyxe mexri twra; Giati den blepw na petyxe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean egine h prospaqeia qa sas pw oti exoyn ginei para polla gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Alla parakalw na perimenete thn analytikh anakoinwsh toy armodioy ypoyrgeioy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Parakoloyqw to teleytaio xroniko diasthma, polla sxolia epikritika gia th diaspaqish toy dhmosioy xrhmatos sthn ERT me anaqeseis, me ekpompes, me proslhceis symboylwn klp. kai sto BHMA kai sto PARON kai sthn ELEYQEROTYPIA klp. Taytoxronws omws den blepw kamia apanthsh apo th dioikhsh ths ERT s` ayta ta dhmosieymata. Eseis ws armodios epikefalhs ths kratikhs thleorashs ti exete na dhlwsete gi` ayta; Ayta ta stoixeia poy dhmosieyontai kata kairoys, ekqetoyn th dioikhsh ths ERT se sygkekrimena qemata. Alla den yparxei kapoia apanthsh apo th dioikhsh. Aiwreitai h entypwsh oti ekei ginetai kati to opoio eseis edw kaqhmerina lete oti ``proxwrame se mia entimh diaxeirish''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H ERT, opws gnwrizete, ypokeitai se kaqhmerino elegxo apo elegktikoys mhxanismoys kai entos ths idias etaireias alla kai ektos, apo ta synarmodia kai armodia ypoyrgeia, analoga me ta qemata. Gi` alla qemata, gia paradeigma, apo to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs kai apo toys Elegktes Dhmosias Dioikhshs, gi` alla apo tis oikonomikes yphresies toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Se kaqe periptwsh h ERT exei proxwrhsei se allagh para pollwn apo ta strebla toy parelqontos. H prospaqeia ayth apodidei karpoys gia thn etaireia. Syntoma qa yparxei kai analytikh anakoinwsh sth synenteyjh Typoy poy kanei o Proedros ths gia ta oikonomika stoixeia. Qa sas dwsw ena - dyo mikra paradeigmata. Sygxwreiste moy thn ektenesterh anafora, giati o organismos aytos ypokeitai ston politiko elegxo toy omiloyntos.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ta dhmosieymata anaferontai se polles leptomereies oi opoies menoyn anapanthtes apo thn ERT kai kala qa kanete na apanthsete afoy den apantaei h ERT.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora loipon tis diadikasies, qelw na sas pw oti h ERT einai mia anwnymh etaireia pollwn xiliadwn ergazomenwn kai mexri twra den eixe yparjei katagrafh kan twn diadikasiwn me tis opoies doyleyei, apo tis pio aples promhqeies ylikoy ws tis pio synqetes gia megales paragwges h symparagwges me alles xwres. Aytes oi diadikasies katagrafontai. Den yparxoyn diadikasies pistopoihshs me bash ta dieqnh protypa. Exei ginei hdh mia poly megalh doyleia sto qema ths chfiakhs thleorashs. Ypoqeseis oi opoies egeiroyn erwthmata na eiste bebaios oti apantwntai kai mesa sthn ERT kai apo thn ERT alla kai apo tis armodies yphresies opws aytes poy proanefera h ean xreiastei kai opoy xreiastei me to na stelnontai ta stoixeia sth Dikaiosynh. Exoyn symbei kai ayta, aplws den exoyn parei megalh dhmosiothta.

KYRITSHS: H synanthsh me ton Erntogan einai prwi, meshmeri, apogeyma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas anakoinwsw thn wra.

Sas eyxaristw.

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