Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-04-10

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Aqhna, 10 Aprilioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, shmera stis 20:00, qa brabeyqei apo thn Ellhnoamerikanikh organwsh AXEPA, sto jenodoxeio Intercontinental.

Ayrio, stis 11:00, qa synedriasei, ypo thn Proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FOYRLHS: Exete sxolio h ektimhsh, pws sas fanhke h ek neoy ypochfiothta ths k. Fwfhs Gennhmata gia thn ypernomarxia kai bebaiws twn dyo synypochfiwn ths;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

KAKALHS: Kai sthn periptwsh twn naytergatwn kai twra sthn periptwsh twn ergazomenwn stoys OTA, h kybernhsh isxyrizetai oti exei ikanopoihsei ta aithmata twn ergazomenwn. H erwthsh einai: Oi ergazomenoi tote apergoyn apo ikanopoihsh h etoimazete kai sthn periptwsh twn OTA epistrateysh;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den yparxei tetoio qema san ki ayto poy qijate. Deyteron, arkei kaneis na diabasei prosektika thn anakoinwsh poy ejedwse xqes to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, opoy anaferontai ola ekeina ta aithmata poy exei qesei to sygkekrimeno syndikalistiko kinhma, o sygkekrimenos syndikalistikos foreas kai ta opoia exoyn ikanopoihqei. Kata ta loipa, h kybernhsh opws tonise allwste kai o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Paylopoylos, prokeimenoy na prostateyqei h ygeia toy koinwnikoy synoloy kai epeidh prepei na thrhqei h nomimothta, lambanei ta aparaithta metra, xwris na qigontai, ypogrammizw, se kamia periptwsh dikaiwmata kai kyriws syndikalistikes eleyqeries. Allwste, exoyme th basimh elpida oti h katastash poly syntoma qa omalopoihqei plhrws.

KAKALHS: Sta aparaithta metra einai kai h sygkrothsh apergospastikoy mhxanismoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tetoio qema.

KAKALHS: Exei anoijei h xwmaterh. Pws den yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tetoio qema. Den mporeite na kathgorhsete ws apergospastes osoys ergazomenoys qeloyn na doylecoyn.

SPYRAKH: Ep` aytoy kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh yparxei ena sobaro qema dhmosias ygeias se o,ti afora thn paramonh twn aporrimmatwn stoys dromoys, qelw na rwthsw, ean yparxoyn sygkekrimena metra kai qelw na moy peite, an anhsyxei h kybernhsh gi` ayto to pragma kai pws to antimetwpizei.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Pera apo osa eipa exei kanei analytikes dhlwseis, opws gnwrizete, o ypoyrgos k. Paylopoylos. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

SPYRAKH: Tis akoysa xqes kai den yphrxe kanena sygkekrimeno metro gia to ti qa ginei me ta skoypidia stoys dromoys.

ANTWNAROS: Nomizw oti adikeite ton k. Paylopoylo. Einai safh ta osa eipe.

MPOTSARAKOS: Sto idio qema, mporeite na mas peite poia einai ayta ta metra, dhladh ti metra qa lhfqoyn, gia na gnwrizoyn kai oi polites ti prokeitai na ginei. Giati ta skoypidia exoyn dhmioyrghsei swroys kai yparxei hdh sobaro problhma ygeias.

ANTWNAROS: Qa prepei na analogistoyn tis eyqynes toys oloi ekeinoi oi opoioi exoyn prokalesei th sygkekrimenh katastash. Kai qa prepei na antilhfqoyn oti den mporoyn me profaseis na dhmioyrgoyn anastatwsh. Kai ayto to lew, dioti exoyn ikanopoihqei, opws molis sas eipa, ta perissotera aithmata ta opoia exoyn ypobalei ta teleytaia dyo xronia. An qelete, ean den ta gnwrizete, epeidh piqanon ayta na exoyn perielqei se gnwsh twn synadelfwn sas oi opoioi kalyptoyn dhmosiografika to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs, eyxaristws, sto telos ths shmerinhs enhmerwshs, na sas dwsw ton katalogo twn aithmatwn poy exoyn ikanopoihqei. Telos, as mhn jexname oti to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn exei yposxeqei kai th diejagwgh dialogoy gia qemata kainoyria h symplhrwmatika, ta opoia qetoyn osoi apergoyn, alla kai ayto fainetai na mhn ikanopoiei toys apergoys.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oso algeinh entypwsh prokalese h apopomph Flwridh apo ton k. Papandreoy giati tolmhse na exei gnwmh, allo toso algeinh entypwsh htan kai otan stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias, sysswmos o kommatikos kai kybernhtikos mhxanismos katadikase thn apopomph Flwridh, legontas h anakalyce oti to PASOK exei kryfh atzenta. Qelw na rwthsw, toso arthriosklhrwtika kai grafeiokratika kai aneleyqera einai ta kommata poy den mporei ena opoiodhpote stelexos na exei proswpikh apoch kai prepei na yparxei ayth h anqrwpofagia enqen kai enqen, giati diatypwse mia proswpikh apoch kapoios;

ANTWNAROS: Katarxas, egw den eimai ekproswpos kommatwn, oyte kai toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias, se ayth thn aiqoysa. Eimai ekproswpos ths kybernhshs.

SIDERHS: Kai h kybernhsh milhse kai o k. Roysopoylos milhse kai stelexh sta ``paraqyra'' milhsan.

ANTWNAROS: Osa eipe o k. Roysopoylos sth xqesinh omilia toy, metajy twn allwn, sto Agrinio, isxyoyn plhrws. Yparxei kamia amfibolia oti yparxei mia periergh -an mh ti allo, gia na mhn xrhsimopoihsw xeirotero oro- topoqethsh apo to PASOK; Prepei na jekaqarisoyn akribws poia einai h qesh toys kai ti qeloyn na poyn.

SIDERHS: Alla ki eseis epibebaiwnete ton tritokosmiko xarakthra poy exoyn ta kommata ths ellhnikhs politikhs skhnhs@

ANTWNAROS: Amfibalw ean symmerizontai oi paristamenoi synadelfoi sas sthn aiqoysa ton apajiwtiko tropo me ton opoion ekfrazeste gia th Dhmokratia kai ton Koinoboyleytismo. Mallon esas xarakthrizoyn oi lejeis tis opoies xrhsimopoieite. O k. Sarantakos exei to logo.

BLAXOS: Epeidh eipate gia toys synadelfoys, epeidh prospaqhsate na dhmioyrghsete ena klima enantion toy kyrioy synadelfoy apo toys alloys synadelfoys, parembainw sthn ekklhsh sas ayth. Eseis epeidh yperaspizeste th Dhmokratia kai ton Koinoboyleytismo, kapoios onomati Flwridhs poy mporei sth Nea Dhmokratia na legetai Antwnaros h Roysopoylos, den exei to dikaiwma na exei mia proswpikh dikh toy apoch; Allwste ayto den eipate gia ton k. Gewrgiadh; Oti exei mia dikh toy proswpikh apoch poy symfwnhse me ayta poy eipe o k. Flwridhs.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kamia dhlwsh gia osa symbainoyn sto eswteriko toy PASOK.

SARANTAKOS: To Sabbatokyriako dyo koryfaia stelexh ths kybernhshs, o k. Paylopoylos kai k. Roysopoylos, ejapelysan eyqeies epiqeseis enantion MME. O men k. Paylopoylos eipe se epityxontes toy ASEP, poy akoma perimenoyn ton diorismo toys na mhn akoyn ta kanalia. O k. Roysopoylos eipe xqes sto Agrinio oti kapoia kanalia ``eqacan'' th symbolh ths kybernhshs sthn epiteyjh symfwnias metajy ergodotwn kai ergazomenwn. Einai mia genikh taktikh ayth; Htan tyxaio ayto to gegonos;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Roysopoylos htan poly sygkekrimenos kai akribhs.

SARANTAKOS: Profanws sygkekrimenos.

ANTWNAROS: Nomizw oti opoios kalopistos parakoloyqhsei ta epixeirhmata poy paroysiase o k. Roysopoylos den exei para na symfwnhsei mazi toy. Sto de sygkekrimeno qema -qa to qymaste asfalws- thn properasmenh Pempth, me rwthsate emena proswpika, edw sthn aiqoysa, gia dhqen katarreysh twn synomiliwn metajy SEB kai GSEE, epeidh ekeinh thn hmera eixan diakopei oi synomilies kai eixe oristei nea synanthsh gia thn erxomenh Deytera, opoy kai ephlqe telika symfwnia. Kai eipa oti qa prepei na mhn biazomaste, na mhn katastrofologoyme, na mhn prospaqoyme na ta doyme monopleyra. Xarakthrisa ws qetikh thn apofash oti qa phgainan se epomenh synanthsh th Deytera. Orismenoi espeysan, den anaferomai se esas k. Sarantako, na krinoyn ek twn proterwn, na katadikasoyn ws apotyxhmeno to dialogo twn koinwnikwn etairwn, o opoios omws eixe qetikh katalhjh, ejasfalizontas ergasiakh eirhnh kai koinwnikh synoxh. Lete na kanoyn laqos oi koinwnikoi etairoi poy kaqisan gyrw apo ena trapezi kai meta apo enan ariqmo syzhthsewn katelhjan se symfwnia;

SARANTAKOS: Egw rwthsa gia to qema ths taktikhs.

ANTWNAROS: Sto sygkekrimeno qema sas apedeija oti bebaiws ta MME phran th qesh gia thn opoia@.

BLAXOS: Enas. Milate gia enan dhmosiografo.

ANTWNAROS: Diabaste tis efhmerides ths perasmenhs Deyteras, poy kykloforhsan, prin epelqei h symfwnia, na deite ti egrafan.

BLAXOS: Exete pei, omws, oti h kybernhsh den parembainei stis diapragmateyseis.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai den parembainei.

BLAXOS: Ara, den exete kamia symbolh.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, enqarrynontas toys koinwnikoys etairoys na metasxoyn sto dialogo, dhmioyrgei ekeino to plaisio, sto opoio oi koinwnikoi etairoi qa mporesoyn na kaqisoyn gyrw apo ena trapezi, na antallajoyn apoceis kai na broyn thn koinh synistamenh, poy symferei toys idioys kai ton topo.

BLAXOS: Na sas rwthsw ean ftaine ta MME me to gegonos oti treis mhnes meta ton katastrofiko seismo sta Kyqhra den exei ginei akoma tipota. To kampanario kremetai panw apo ta kefalia twn toyristwn, ta spitia einai misogkremismena oi dromoi einai misoxalasmenoi. Kaneis den exei paei na ftiajei to nhsi, epi treis mhnes. Ftaine ta MME;

ANTWNAROS: Sygxeete dyo pragmata poy den exoyn sxesh to ena me to allo. Qa moy epitrecete na enhmerwqw kai na sas apanthsw.

SARANTAKOS: Mia dieykrinish qa hqela mono. Me thn analysh poy kanate qa prepei na qewrhsoyme dioloy tyxaia thn epiqesh kata MME apo toys kyrioys Paylopoylo kai Roysopoylo. Milaw gia toys dyo ypoyrgoys poy topoqethqhkan to Sabbatokyriako panw se dyo diaforetika.

ANTWNAROS: Oi ypoyrgoi ekanan sygkekrimenes epishmanseis, oi opoies kai isxyoyn sto akeraio.

PAPAGIANNHS: Thn Paraskeyh o Prwqypoyrgos sth Syndiaskech gia thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh anefere epi lejei, pws organwmena symferonta prospaqoyn na ekbiasoyn thn kybernhsh. Xqes, o k. Roysopoylos apo to Agrinio ekane logo gia lyssalea epiqesh poy dexetai h kybernhsh apo sygkekrimena MME. Den qelw na moy sxoliasete th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qelw omws na moy peite poia MME ennooyse o ypoyrgos Typoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

PAPAGIANNHS: Prepei na enhmerwqoyme poia einai ayta ta MME;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Kakalhs exei to logo.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh den katadikazei ton prophlakismo ths dhmosiografoy apo sekioyritades sto ergostasio ths DEH sth Xio me apotelesma twra h synadelfos na xaropaleyei; Kamia katadikh;

ANTWNAROS: H xrhsh bias poly perissotero otan strefetai enantion dhmosiografwn, oi opoioi ekteloyn to kaqhkon toys, einai katadikastea.

KAKALHS: Omws, to lete kaqysterhmena.

ANTWNAROS: Den exete dikio. Ean den me apata h mnhmh moy, ekane dhlwsh o k. Sioyfas. Qa moy epitrecete na anatrejw kai na sas to epibebaiwsw argotera.

FOYRLHS: Epanerxomenos sto qema toy k. Flwridh, hqela na rwthsw: O k. Flwridhs ejefrase tis apoceis toy, den sas zhtw na tis janasxoliasete, alla h kybernhsh qewrei oti to yparxon plaisio einai eparkes kai ikanopoihtiko gia na antimetwpisei thn anergia kai ta synafh problhmata sto xwro ths ergasias;

ANTWNAROS: Poio yparxon plaisio; Ti ennoeite;

FOYRLHS: O k. Flwridhs ekane protaseis gia allagh toy plaisioy. Eishghqhke ena skandinabiko montelo h kapoia kommatia apo ayto. H kybernhsh exei leitoyrghsei me ena plaisio sthn Ellada, to opoio profanws isxyei gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis kai exei ws stoxo thn antimetwpish ths anergias. To qewrei eparkes ayto to plaisio poy yparxei shmera h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme pei epaneilhmmenws oti h shmerinh kybernhsh ekane orismenes metarryqmiseis, oson afora tis ergasiakes sxeseis poy exoyn oloklhrwqei. Pisteyoyme oti me aytes tis allages poy eginan kai poy efarmozontai bhma-bhma kai apotelesmatika -qa xrhsimopoihsw thn ekfrash poy orismenoi apo esas, gia thn opoia me katakrinate- qa wfelhqoyn oloi se baqos xronoy. Kai den ennow oti qa xreiastei na perimenei kapoios poly kairo gia na dei ta apotelesmata, alla ennow oti oi en logw allages qa ejasfalisoyn se diarkeia xronoy kalyteroys oroys doyleias, kalyteroys oroys apasxolhshs, perissoteres qeseis ergasias se mia synexws anaptyssomenh oikonomia. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno kai ayto einai poy h shmerinh kybernhsh, me ola ta metra ta opoia lambanei kai me oles tis metarryqmiseis tis opoies efarmozei, qelei na petyxei. Kai einai sigoyrh oti qa to petyxei.

SPYRAKH: To prwto moy erwthma afora sth metarryqmish twn DEKO, mia kai anafereste stis metarryqmiseis. Hqela na rwthsw ean mexri ayth thn wra poy milame, exei ypoblhqei apo mia estw dioikhsh DEKO apo aytes poy xarakthrizontai zhmiogones, protash gia allagh toy kanonismoy proswpikoy;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn sygkekrimenes proqesmies, oi opoies qa thrhqoyn. Ayto sas to exoyn pei kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi, to epanalambanw ki egw gia mia akomh fora. Ola osa problepontai sto nomo qa thrhqoyn. Yparxei ena sygkekrimeno plaisio, entos toy opoioy qa ginoyn osa problepontai apo to nomo.

SPYRAKH: Mexri twra, opws jeroyme apo to reportaz den exei ypoblhqei kamia protash gia allagh kanonismoy proswpikoy. Se periptwsh poy den yparjei tetoia protash, ypoqetw oti oi kanonismoi proswpikoy, qa meinoyn ws exoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na apanthsw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

KAKALHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean sto plaisio ths allaghs twn kanonismwn stis DEKO h kybernhsh enqarrynei tis atomikes symbaseis ergasias kai to dieyqyntiko dikaiwma stis metaqeseis kai ta epidomata, opws fainetai apo tis symbaseis poy ypegracan sto Proastiako.

ANTWNAROS: Oi symbaseis poy exei ypogracei apo thn idrysh ths h etaireia ``Proastiakos A.E.'' me to proswpiko ths (ypallhloi staqmwn, ypallhloi grafeiwn, dioikhtiko proswpiko h proswpiko syrmwn) einai atomikes symbaseis ergasias Idiwtikoy Dikaioy Aoristoy Xronoy plhroys kai apokleistikhs apasxolhshs. Oi en logw symbaseis ergasias exoyn syntaxqei apo thn idrysh ths etaireias ``Proastiakos A.E.'' ton Aprilio toy 2003 kai periexoyn toys idioys kyrioys oroys mexri kai shmera.

PAPAGIANNHS: Exw na kanw dyo erwthseis. H prwth, exei na kanei me thn koinh emfanish toy k. Karamanlh me ton k. Boylgarakh. Rwta, ean gia thn kybernhsh apotelei ayto ena eidos politikh sthrijh ws pros ton k. Boylgarakh kai osa akoyse tis teleytaies hmeres. Kai h deyterh, ean gnwrizete ti egine telika me toys foithtes poy ejybrizan ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Ekdiwxqhkan, diagrafhsan telika apo th DAP;

ANTWNAROS: Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh sas, einai apolytws fysiko na synodeysei ton Prwqypoyrgo, kata thn episkech poy pragmatopoihse to Sabbato, sto Idryma Meizonos Ellhnismoy, o ypoyrgos Politismoy. H sygkekrimenh episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy empiptei stis armodiothtes toy ypoyrgoy Politismoy. Oson afora sto deytero qema: Isxyoyn osa exei pei ews twra h kybernhsh.

MANH: H ellhnikh kybernhsh pairnei mhnymata apo thn ypoxwrhsh ths gallikhs kybernhshs sto qema toy symbolaioy prwths apasxolhshs twn newn. Mhnymata ws pros tis dikes ths metarryqmiseis. Dhladh, mexri poy mporei na to fqasei. Giati, eidate nomizw ayto poy egine sth Gallia.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy gnwrizei h ellhnikh kybernhsh einai oti to metarryqmistiko ths sxedio exei thn empistosynh ths megalhs pleiochfias toy ellhnikoy laoy.

MANH: Eipate oti den apantate se ypoqetikes erwthseis. Alla, den mas prokyptei kamia DEKO poy na proxwreite se efarmogh toy kanonismoy proswpikoy.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw: Den yparxei kamia amfibolia oti oi Ellhnides kai oi Ellhnes yposthrizoyn sth megalh toys pleiochfia th metarryqmistikh prospaqeia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

SPYRAKH: Exete na mas peite, ean yparxei endexomeno o Prwqypoyrgos to Sabbato na episkefqei to Nomo Hmaqias;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den exw na sas anakoinwsw kati sxetika me to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Otan yparjei kati qa to maqete egkairws.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Mias kai milhsate prohgoymenws gia tis DEKO, thn perasmenh Pempth egine mia stash ergasias sto METRO ths Aqhnas. Qa to exete ypoch sas, fantazomai.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den to gnwrizw.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H dioikhsh ths etaireias prosefyge sta dikasthria na khryxqei ayth h stash paranomh kai kataxrhstikh, opws ginetai synhqws. Parallhla, omws, zhthse thn proswpokrathsh twn syndikalistwn kai epibolh apozhmiwshs 5.000 eyrw -an qymamai kala- ws diafygonta kerdh apo to Swmateio. Qewreite oti ayto empiptei mesa sto plaisio twn metarryqmisewn, ths neas logikhs; Einai mia kinhsh ths dioikhshs ths etaireias gia proswpokrathsh twn syndikalistwn kai apozhmiwsh 5.000 eyrw poy prwth fora akoyw.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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