Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-03-17

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 17 Martioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: An kai gnwrizw thn apanthsh, elpizw sthn ekplhjh. Qa hqela na sxoliasete th dhmoskophsh poy ebgale xqes to MEGA kai deixnei to PASOK na prohgeitai.

ANTWNAROS: Oi dhmoskophseis, opws exoyme pei polles fores, einai ena xrhsimo ergaleio poy apotypwnei tis taseis se mia dedomenh stigmh. To idio akribws, allwste, eixa pei kai proxqes, prin apo liges meres, otan h ereyna mias allhs etaireias edine probadisma sth Nea Dhmokratia, 2,5 monades.

BLAXOS: Qa hqela na sxoliasete, ws armodioi poy eiste, to gegonos oti tria melh toy ESR proteinan sth xqesinh synedriash, to kleisimo toy ALPHA gia kapoio diasthma. Qa hqela na moy peite, ean ayto mporei paramones ths kataqeshs enos neoy nomoy, na epitrepetai se leitoyrgia mias Dhmokratias.

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazoyme, opws gnwrizete, th leitoyrgia twn Anejarthtwn Arxwn. Tis Anejarthtes Arxes prepei na tis afhnoyme na leitoyrgoyn, opws akribws leei h lejh. Anejarthta.

BLAXOS: To qema omws einai oti eseis fernete ena kainoyrio nomo, o opoios qa allajei olh ayth th diadikasia. Paramones, loipon, toy neoy nomoy, profanws ta tria ayta melh prospaqoyn na prolaboyn ta xronika periqwria poy exoyn, gia na dhmioyrghsoyn problhma se ergazomenoys ston thleoptiko staqmo ALPHA. Den thn endiaferei thn kybernhsh ean ekleine shmera o ALPHA; Yparxei eleyqeria;

ANTWNAROS: Fysika h kybernhsh einai yper ths polyfwnias poy einai allwste syntagmatika katoxyrwmenh, se oles tis Dhmokraties, opws einai fysika kai sth dikh mas. Me thn aytonohth bebaiws proypoqesh na ginontai sebastoi oi nomoi.

BLAXOS: Protiqeste na enhmerwsete ta melh toy Symboylioy oti epikeitai allagh toy nomoy@;

ANTWNAROS: Mia arxh, se mia syntetagmenh Politeia, efarmozei toys nomoys oi opoioi isxyoyn th sygkekrimenh stigmh.

KAKALHS: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti to 63% pisteyei oti yparxei prospaqeia sygkalychs sto qema twn ypoklopwn, dhladh den exei peisei h kybernhsh th syntriptikh pleiochfia ths koinhs gnwmhs, otan leei oti qelei na erqoyn ola sth fora kai parapempontas to qema sth Dikaiosynh;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw eyrhmata dhmoskophshs.

SIDERHS: Sas sygkinhse h gennaiodwria toy k. Odyssea Kyriakopoyloy me to 2,8% poy dinei kai to pagwma twn ayjhsewn se perioxes poy exoyn anergia;

ANTWNAROS: Thn oikonomikh politikh ths xwras thn kaqorizei h kybernhsh.

SIDERHS: Allo rwthsa.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, blepoyme shmera ston Typo, dhmosieymata poy kanoyn logo gia ejormhseis boyleytwn sthn eparxia kai ejormhseis kai toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Yparxei programma gia ejormhseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn eparxia;

ANTWNAROS: Otan yparjei kati sygkekrimeno, bebaiws qa to maqete, opws ginetai pantote.

KAPRALOS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia osa eipe xqes to PASOK sxetika me tis yperdiplasies ayjhseis oti an htan ayth th stigmh sthn kybernhsh, qa edine yperdiplasies ayjhseis. Eseis giati den to kanete;

ANTWNAROS: Eipe polla xqes to PASOK, ta opoia den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Qa hqela aplws na qymisw, ti ekane to PASOK tis periodoys poy oi kyrioi toy PASOK miloysan gia isxyrh oikonomia prin apo liga molis xronia. To etos 2000 edwsan ayjhseis 2%, to 2001 edwsan ayjhseis 2,2%, to 2002 edwsan ayjhseis 2,5%, to 2003 edwsan ayjhseis epishs 2,5%. Poy htan tote o k. Papandreoy; Den jerei tipota; Den qymatai tipota; Egw ekeino poy qymamai einai oti ola ayta ta xronia htan koryfaio stelexos twn tote kybernhsewn. Kai gia na mh moy peite oti kati sas apokryptw, mono gia to etos 2004, dhladh treis mhnes prin apo tis ekloges, yposxeqhkan oi kyrioi toy PASOK gennaies ayjhseis. Ayjhseis gia tis opoies hjeran oti den qa tis plhrwnan oi idioi. Qa tis plhrwne h kybernhsh poy qa proekypte meta apo tis ekloges toy Martioy 2004. Tote poy kybernoysan th xwra oi kyrioi toy PASOK htan alazones. Twra poy briskontai sthn antipoliteysh janagyrizoyn ston aneyqyno laikismo, apokalyptontas gia mia akomh fora thn epistrofh toys sto xqes, alla kai to pragmatiko politiko hqos toys.

SIDERHS: Niwqete oti eiste kaloi maqhtes toys me tis ayjhseis poy dinete kai eseis twra;

ANTWNAROS: Na sas ypenqymisw poso htan tote o plhqwrismos: To etos 2000, poy anefera prohgoymenws, o plhqwrismos htan 3,2% kai h ayjhsh poy doqhke stoys ergazomenoys 2%, kati parapanw apo to miso. Ayto apokalyptei to plhres ceydos toy isxyrismoy ths k. Papandreoy xqes, poy isxyristhke aneryqriasta oti: ``Ta eisodhmata twn ergazomenwn to 2006 meiwnontai kai ayto symbainei gia prwth fora meta apo 12 xronia''. Oi Ellhnes exoyn mnhmh.

BLAXOS: Qa ermhneysw alliws th dhlwsh ths k. Papandreoy. H k. Basw Papandreoy eipe oti ean htan shmera ypoyrgos sthn kybernhsh qa edine yperdiplasies ayjhseis. Ara, leei oti h oikonomikh katastash ths xwras shmera einai se tetoia kalh katastash, wste na mporei na dwsei yperdiplasies ayjhseis. Einai profanes, loipon, oti eyshma sas apodidei kai h erwthsh moy einai, giati eseis den dinete, efoson exete kai th diapistwsh apo thn pleyra toy PASOK oti einai se kalh katastash h oikonomia ths xwras, ayjhseis stoys ergazomenoys;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, ekeinoi miloysan tote gia isxyrh oikonomia.

BLAXOS: Mhpws kanete laqos ermhneia stis dhlwseis ths k. Papandreoy; Mhpws h k. Papandreoy einai qetikh apenanti sas;

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh den akoloyqei thn praktikh twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK na dinei yposxeseis se akaires stigmes. Sas eipa kai xqes oti emeis ston tomea ths oikonomias exoyme balei stoxoys. Oi stoxoi aytoi, enas-enas, organwmena, siga-siga, me systhma, pragmatopoioyntai. Exoyme balei to shmantiko stoxo na exei pesei to elleimma katw apo to 3% sto telos toy xronoy. Me thn epiteyjh aytoy toy stoxoy pragmatopoieitai -oloklhrwnetai, opws sas eipa kai xqes- to ``noikokyrema'' ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Apo ayto to ``noikokyrema'' ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, se baqos xronoy, qa wfelhqoyn oles oi Ellhnides kai oi Ellhnes. To ti qa kanei, loipon, h shmerinh kybernhsh, as to afhsoyn oi kyrioi toy PASOK se ayth thn kybernhsh na to kanei.

BLAXOS: Me ypociazete me ayto poy lete. Dhladh, lete oti mporeite shmera na dwsete ayjhseis, alla perimenete na tis dwsete paramones twn eklogwn.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den eipa tipote tetoio. Aytes einai dikes sas ermhneies, ``lektikoi akrobatismoi'' -qa moy epitrecete na pw- oi opoioi den exoyn kai sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. H kybernhsh exei qesei sygkekrimeno stoxo. O stoxos prepei na epiteyxqei kai qa epiteyxqei. Ta mexri twra endiamesa apotelesmata apoteloyn th bash gi` ayth thn aisiodojia.

BLAXOS: Ara, mporeite na dwsete twra ayjhseis, alla den tis dinete giati exete ena programma. Ayto mas lete.

ANTWNAROS: Mallon den katalabainete ti sas lew.

BLAXOS: Kai to programma sas katalhgei sto na dwsete ayjhseis paramones twn eklogwn.

ANTWNAROS: Den milhsa gia ayjhseis. Ayth einai dikh sas lejh.

BLAXOS: Karpoys.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa: ``Gia na wfelhqoyn oloi oi Ellhnes se baqos xronoy''.

XIWTHS: H kybernhsh yioqetei thn apoch poy ejefrase prin apo ligo sth Boylh o k. Alogoskoyfhs oti h prohgoymenh kybernhsh ejapathse thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, prokeimenoy na entaxqei h xwra sthn ONE;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw enhmerwqei akribws gia to ti eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs sth Boylh. Isxyei, omws, o,ti exei pei.

SIDERHS: Ara, kakws mphkame sthn ONE.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

XIWTHS: Epeidh den katalaba to sxolio sas gia tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy toy SEB, qelw na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh qewrei oti tetoioy eidoys dhlwseis symballoyn sthn hremia poy apaiteitai gia to dialogo metajy ergazomenwn kai ergodotwn.

ANTWNAROS: Se poies dhlwseis anafereste sygkekrimena;

XIWTHS: Thn yioqethsh kyriws toy gallikoy monteloy gia thn apeleyqerwsh twn apolysewn stoys neoys ergazomenoys.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei stis proqeseis, oyte kan sth skech ths kybernhshs kati tetoio.

KAKALHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti thn oikonomikh politikh thn kaqorizei h kybernhsh. Omws, o forologikos, o anaptyjiakos nomos, o nomos gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis kai thn katarghsh toy oktawroy, o nomos gia tis DEKO, tis symprajeis dhmosioy kai idiwtikoy tomea, oloi oi spoydaioteroi nomoi ths kybernhshs einai sthn pragmatikothta aithmata toy SEB. Antiqeta den jerw an exete eseis na mas peite kapoio nomo poy na ejyphretei ta symferonta h ta aithmata twn ergazomenwn. Ara h kybernhsh den taytizetai me to SEB; Kai den enqarrynei ta aithmata toy SEB diarkws;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Ayth einai dikh sas ermhneia poy den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

KAKALHS: Akribws h pragmatikothta sas diaceydei. Ma oloi oi nomoi poy exete chfisei einai@

ANTWNAROS: Ma eseis molis anaferqhkate sto nomo gia tis DEKO.

KAKALHS: Ton opoion an qymaste, o SEB ton xeirokrothse.

ANTWNAROS: Ton xeirokrotoyn kai oloi osoi antilambanontai diaforetika apo esas -tolmw na pw- oti me thn ejygiansh aytwn twn epixeirhsewn, ejasfalizetai sto dihnekes, sto mellon, se baqos xronoy, h leitoyrgia aytwn twn epixeirhsewn. Dioti ean den ejygianqoyn, den qa mporesoyn na epibiwsoyn se ena antagwnistiko periballon, opws einai to dieqnes periballon, to opoio leitoyrgei me sygkekrimenoys kanones, me sygkekrimenoys ryqmoys se olo ton kosmo. Kai epeidh milhsate gia nomoqetikes ryqmiseis, qa epanalabw gia mia akomh fora, oti h shmerinh kybernhsh einai ekeinh poy ryqmise kai peran aytwn poy eixe yposxeqei, to qema toy LAFKA.

KAKALHS: Htan ypoxrewmenh na dwsei to LAFKA. Apo to nomo eiste ypoxrewmenoi. Apo th dikastikh apofash.

ANTWNAROS: Htan ypoxrewsh mas h apodosh twn anadromikwn; Den nomizw.

KAKALHS: Kai to dinete se eji xronia kai se eji doseis. Eleos.

ANTWNAROS: Tipote den allazei thn oysia toy qematos. Kai epipleon: Poia kybernhsh ryqmise to qema me ta panwtokia;

KAKALHS: Poios kanei xrhsh;

ANTWNAROS: To poios kanei xrhsh, ejartatai apo aytoys poy epilegoyn na kanoyn xrhsh.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa epimeinw. Eipate oti isxyei oti exei pei o k. ypoyrgos. Exei pei oti koroidecame thn E.E. kai mphkame sthn ONE kai meta otan eide oti oi alloi arxisan na anastatwnontai sthn Eyrwph, eipe oti mphkame me to spaqi mas. Poies apo tis dyo dhlwseis isxyoyn; H mas protrepete na bgaloyme meso oro;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, qa sas parakaloysa na anatrejete se osa exoyme pei kai s` ayth thn aiqoysa gia tis sygkekrimenes xronies, gia ta elleimmata sygkekrimenwn etwn kai na mhn proseggizete apospasmatika osa qelete na peite. Deyteron, qa hqela na sas pw, oti o tropos me ton opoio organwqhke h eisodos ths Elladas sthn ONE, dinei labh gia diafora erwthmata. Ayto allwste to exei eipe kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

SIDERHS: Nai, alla exete dyo xronia. Den mporeite na eiste akomh sta erwthmata. Prepei na exete kai apanthseis.

ANTWNAROS: Egw dinw apanthseis, alla ejartatai pws tis proslambanei kaneis tis apanthseis.

XIWTHS: Akoysa ton aperxomeno arxhgo toy Limenikoy Swmatos, na kalei ton ypoyrgo kata thn teleth paradoshs kai paralabhs, na diwjei toys ``khfhnes'' apo ton tetarto orofo toy Ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias. Sas problhmatizei ayth h dhlwsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den thn gnwrizw. Prokeitai gia thn paradosh enos arxhgoy pros enan allon. Ayta einai eswterika qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias. Parakalw apeyqynqeite ston k. Kefalogiannh.

XIWTHS: O k. Kefalogiannhs erwthqhke hdh kai to mono poy dhlwse, htan: kalodexoymenh h opoia kritikh. Sas ekfrazei mono ayto;

ANTWNAROS: O ypoyrgos einai armodios. Ekeinos qa antimetwpisei opoio qema endexomena prokycei.

XIWTHS: Gnwrizei h kybernhsh an yparxei se ejelijh mia diadikasia antikatastashs melwn toy ESR;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas ejhghsete, pws enw h kybernhsh xqes, sxedon qriambologhse gia thn ptwsh ths anergias katw apo to 10%, to 40% ths koinhs gnwmhs qewrei oti einai to kyriotero problhma.

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy prokyptei ayto;

KAKALHS: Apo th dhmoskophsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw dhmoskophseis.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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