Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-09-29

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Aqhna, 29 Septembrioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Prokophs Paylopoylos, meta th synanthsh poy eixe sto Megaro Majimoy me ton Prwqypoyrgo proebh se dhlwseis, anakoinwnontas me leptomereies dyo shmantikes qesmikes parembaseis stis opoies proxwra h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias:

Prwton, h apo kairoy ekfrasqeisa kai apotypwqeisa sto programma ths Neas Dhmokratias, ryqmish gia ta eklogika twn dhmarxwn kai twn nomarxwn. Gia thn eklogh dhmarxwn kai nomarxwn, orizetai ws pososto to 42% apo ton prwto gyro.

Deyteron, h enarjh dialogoy me thn ADEDY gia thn allagh toy wrarioy twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. To wrario shmera, xwrizetai se xeimerino kai qerino. Sto xeimerino wrario oi dhmosioi ypallhloi proshrxonto stis yphresies toys stis 07.00 kai efeygan stis 14.30 h stis 07.30 kai efeygan stis 15.00. Sto qerino wrario proshrxonto stis 07.30 kai efeygan stis 15.00 h stis 08.00 kai efeygan stis 15.30. H protash ths kybernhshs perilambanei eniaio wrario apo tis 08.00 ews tis 15.30 h apo tis 08.30 ews tis 16.00. Den einai diazeyktiko me thn ennoia oti qa ginei to ena h oti to allo. Einai elastiko se sxesh kyriws me thn ejyphrethsh twn goniwn gia ta paidia toys sta sxoleia. Einai treis oi parametroi poy odhgoyn thn kybernhsh sto na proxwrhsei s@ aytes tis ryqmiseis: Prwton, h kalyterh leitoyrgia twn dhmosiwn yphresiwn giati enopoieitai se sxesh me th dieykolynsh twn politwn h leitoyrgia twn dhmosiwn yphresiwn. Deyteron, h kalyterh leitoyrgia twn yphresiwn se sxesh me thn E.E., tis yphresies ths E.E. alla kai alles eyrwpaikes xwres poy akoloyqoyn antistoixo wrario. Triton, h dieykolynsh twn gonewn gia ta paidia toys se sxesh me ta sxoleia.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KORAH: To endexomeno allaghs wrarioy stis trapezes, to ejetazei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Milame gia to wrario twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto to 42% poy eipate gia tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges, den qa yparjei dialogos; Yphrje dialogos kai apofasisthke;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akoysthkan diaforetikes apoceis. Qa ginei syzhthsh, opws gnwrizete, kai sth Boylh. To 42% einai apofash ths kybernhshs. Einai protash diatypwqeisa, opws eipa, sto programma mas perissotero apo dyo xronia. Stis epimeroys ryqmiseis qa ginoyn syzhthseis sto periqwrio ths Epitrophs ths Boylhs kai sthn Olomeleia. An akoystoyn protaseis oi opoies einai epoikodomhtikes kai mporei na ginoyn apodektes, qa ginoyn apodektes. To 42%, omws, einai apofash ths kybernhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prin apofasistei eixate pei oti qa ginei dialogos. Qa prohghqei dialogos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete exoyn ginei syzhthseis. Exoyn ginei anakoinwseis kai apo thn KEDKE kai apo thn ENAE. Ayth einai h apofash sthn opoia proxwra h kybernhsh.

KYRITSHS: Ep@ aytoy. Me to 42%, to pososto to opoio eisagete, poio pososto twn edrwn qa pairnei o dhmarxos o opoios qa eklegetai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ola ta epimeroys zhthmata, xwris na qewrw oti ta epimeroys einai ashmanta zhthmata@

KYRITSHS: Epeidh exei shmasia ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katalaba. Exei megalh shmasia ayto poy lete. Ola ta epimeroys zhthmata xwris na qewrw oti einai hssonos shmasias einai zhthmata poy qa anakoinwqoyn apo to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs. Einai zhthmata poy qa syzhthqoyn sth diarkeia ths Epitrophs ths Boylhs, sth diadikasia dhladh syzhthshs toy nomosxedioy sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs kai sthn Olomeleia.

PEPONHS: Me to wrario poy eipate, thn efarmogh toy eniaioy wrarioy, mhpws anoigei kai to qema toy apogeymatinoy wrarioy gia orismenes yphresies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den katalaba kala. H ryqmish poy anakoinwse o k. Paylopoylos, afora mono thn eklogikh diadikasia h oles tis programmatikes desmeyseis, tis proeklogikes desmeyseis poy eixe analabei h kybernhsh gia thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh; An qymamai kala, proteine kai thn qesmoqethsh airetoy perifereiakoy symboylioy to programma ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas milhsa gia ena qema. Ola ta ypoloipa zhthmata qa anakoinwqoyn apo to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn. O nomos qa einai etoimos syntoma kai qa ginei syzhthsh gyrw apo ola ta ypoloipa qemata.

TSIODRAS: Pisteyete oti htan aysthrh h diagrafh toy k. Polyzoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei sto qema. Den qa epanelqw.

LEONTITSH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti o k. Pagkalos shmera, milwntas sto radiofwno toy ALPHA apokalese ton Prwqypoyrgo ``paxydermo'' xwris ixnos eyaisqhsias poy kalyptei toys ypoyrgoys toy kai malista eipe oti exei jeperasei akomh kai thn palia dejia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poios ta eipe ayta;

LEONTITSH: O k. Pagkalos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto apanta apo mono toy. Den xreiazetai na to sxoliasw.

SIDERHS: Sas rwthse o synadelfos, an exei ginei dialogos kai eipate oti eginan dhlwseis kai bghkan anakoinwseis. Oi dhlwseis htan se paraqyra kai radiofwna kai oi anakoinwseis htan anakoinwseis kataggelias. Ayto qewreitai dialogo eseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh sto erwthma sas. H KEDKE kai h ENAE exoyn parei qesh gia ta zhthmata ayta. Exoyme pei oti syzhtame ta qemata ta opoia exoyme qesei sthn politikh mas atzenta, alla kapoia stigmh lambanetai h apofash. Hrqe loipon h stigmh na lhfqei ayth h apofash kai elhfqh.

KORAH: O Prwqypoyrgos problhmatizetai kaqoloy apo ta kroysmata poy paroysiazontai sto komma ths Neas Dhmokratias me teleytaio ayto sthn Patra, opoy o proedros ths NODE ependyse, gia na mh xrhsimopoihsw oti epaije ta xrhmata ths topikhs organwshs sto xrhmatisthrio me thn prosdokia bebaiws na ta aygatisei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qema ayto, apanthqhke xqes apo to komma.

KORAH: O Prwqypoyrgos den exei apoch epi toy qematos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei apoch.

KORAH: Problhmatizetai; Ayto qeloyme na maqoyme.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To komma exei apanthsei hdh sto qema. Exei diatajei ereyna gia to an exei ginei ayto to opoio kataggelqhke apo efhmerida. O feromenos ws ypeyqynos gi aythn thn ypoqesh exei paraithqei hdh apo th qesh toy proedroy ths Nomarxiakhs Epitrophs. H ypoqesh brisketai sta dikasthria h qa breqei sta dikasthria. Ayto prokyptei apo thn anagnwsh twn dhlwsewn toy ews protinos proedroy ths Nomarxiakhs Epitrophs.

SARANTAKOS: Akoysa xqes ton k. Meimarakh ston ``AQHNA 9,84'', na leei oti gia thn perifhmh frash sas, gia thn ekkaqarish en leitoyrgia ths Olympiakhs oti isws na to syzhthsate me kapoioys alloys ayto alla oxi sigoyra me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Alhqeia me poioys to syzhthsate ayto prin to peite eseis edw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qema exei ejantlhqei.

KAKALHS: Eixate pei oti o antagwnismos qa kalycei to keno poy qa afhsei h Olympiakh Aeroporia. Xqes o antiproedros ths LUTFHANSA eipe oti h etaireia toy mazi me thn AEGEAN sto eswteriko qa kalycei to keno poy qa afhsei h Olympiakh. Ayto eixate kata noy otan legate oti o antagwnismos qa kalycei to keno ths Olympiakhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, h diadikasia synexizetai, den exei oloklhrwqei. To an kapoia etairia epilegei na kanei mia alfa h bhta anakoinwsh, einai qema ths etairias ayths. H diadikasia omws sthn opoia exoyme anaferqei analytika s@ ayth thn aiqoysa kai sthn opoia exei anaferqei analytika kai o Ypoyrgos Metaforwn sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs, synexizetai.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dyo zhthmata. To ena proekyce prin apo ligo. O k. Meimarakhs prin eiselqei sto Megaro Majimoy, ektimhse eis ephkoon synadelfwn oti h diagrafh toy boyleyth Polyzoy anebase poly ton phxh kai oti ayth h energeia einai poy dhmioyrgei ychles prosdokies kai gia thn antimetwpish problhmatwn ths kybernhsh epipedoy toy k. Regkoyza. Qa hqela na rwthsw an symmerizeste ayth thn apoch.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ep@ akribws th dhlwsh. Qa sas pw mono ws mia genikh topoqethsh oti oi ychles prosdokies gennoyn ston kosmo thn anagkh na yparjei allagh nootropias -opws exw pei polles fores- kai allagh symperiforas.

SPYRAKH: H deyterh erwthsh afora sth dhmosia syzhthsh poy ginetai gyrw apo to qema twn proslhcewn dia twn synenteyjewn. Shmera kataggelqhke, opws moy eipan, oti yphrje erwthsh se synenteyjh ``poses trypes exete sto ayti sas''; Qelw na rwthsw, ean problhmatizetai thn kybernhsh apo th diarroh tetoiwn erwthsewn poy ypotimoyn th nohmosynh twn ypochfiwn kai an skopeyei, toylaxiston sto epipedo twn synenteyjewn, na balei kapoia sygkekrimena poiotika krithria.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei kai se ayto to qema. Qa sas qymisw mono oti sthn ypoqesh ths synenteyjhs h pleionothta twn diagwnismwn ypagetai sto ASEP kai ginontai me sygkekrimeno tropo.

XIWTHS: Oson afora sto qema ths Olympiakhs, aytes oi dhlwseis poy eginan apo th LUTFHANSA perilambanontai sta senaria poy meleta h kybernhsh gia ayto to perifhmo diadoxo sxhma; Qelw na pw oti, otan mia etaireia bgainei kai leei oti mporw na analabw ena skelos twn aerometaforwn, fantazomai oti exei ypoballei kai analoges protaseis pros thn kybernhsh. Exoyn ypoblhqei tetoies protaseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh einai ``oxi'' kai sta dyo skelh ths erwthsh sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ston kypriako Typo grafetai shmera oti me parembash ths amerikanikhs kybernhshs piqanws na mhn pragmatopoihqei h askhsh ``NIKHFOROS-TOJOTHS'' poy ginetai kaqe toso, metajy Elladas kai Kyproy. Qa ginei h askhsh ``NIKHFOROS'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me rwthsate kai perysi, ean qymamai kala. Opws gnwrizete, h askhsh ayth ginetai katopin synennohshs twn dyo kybernhsewn kai oxi kapoias triths xwras.

POYLIDOY: Den ginetai katopin synennohshs. Exei na ginei tria xronia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan ginetai pantws, ginetai katopin synennohshs twn dyo kybernhsewn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa ginei h den qa ginei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw ayto. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

KORAH: Kai otan den ginetai, profanws ginetai katopin synennohshs twn dyo kybernhsewn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti h prwth apanthsh moy kalyptei kai to diko sas erwthma.

SARANTAKOS: Shmera, h efhmerida ``EQNOS'' se prwtoselido dhmosieyma ths anaferei oti qa apolyqoyn 13.000 oplites eptaetoys qhteias. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei, hdh, ekdwsei anakoinwsh to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

SARANTAKOS: To Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas leei oti ayth einai mia ekqesh twn yphresiakwn paragontwn. Eseis desmeyeste, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, oti h kybernhsh den prokeitai na apolysei aytoys toys anqrwpoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws anaferetai sto deltio Typoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas, diaceydetai kathgorhmatika to dhmosieyma apogeymatinhs efhmeridas, peri sxedioy apolyshs epaggelmatiwn oplitwn. Oydemia tetoia eishghsh exei ginei pros thn politikh hgesia. H anakoinwsh exei kai kapoia alla shmeia. Thn exete diabasei. Den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero.

SARANTAKOS: Ara, desmeyeste politika oti den protiqetai h kybernhsh @

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas exw apanthsei.

TSIODRAS: Eipate prin, apantwntas se erwthsh sxetika me tis synenteyjeis, oti h pleionothta ypagetai sto ASEP kai ginetai me sygkekrimeno tropo. Den problhmatizei, den anhsyxei thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti ola ayta poy blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas eytelizoyn ayto poy legetai ``synenteyjh'' kai ton tropo me ton opoio ginontai oi proslhceis sto Dhmosio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei ejantlhqei to qema kai xqes kai proxqes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Meta thn troph poy phre to qema ths megalhs mizas, 9 ekat. eyrw se ypoyrgo to 2003, qa hqela na moy peite, mhpws qa eprepe na jekinhsei kai h Dikaiosynh parallhla, xwris th Boylh; Einai anagkh na apofasisei h Boylh ti qa ginei me ayto to qema; Allwste kai o k. Papantwnioy zhthse na epembei o eisaggeleas. Mhpws qa kinhqei dikastikh diadikasia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, h diadikasia kineitai aytonoma, aytoboylws. H Dikaiosynh leitoyrgei anejarthta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Jekinhse kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oyte kai egw to gnwrizw, gi` ayto rwtw, mhpws jekinhse.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei enas problhmatismos. Giati xqes o k. Regkoyzas, apo to bhma ths Boylhs, milhse gia 24 epoptes telwneiwn, oi opoioi metakinhqhkan kai safws toys synedese me th diarroh toy epimaxoy apospasmatos, alla kai me ypoqeseis ypoptes. Qelw na rwthsw, ean o bios kai h politeia twn 24 aytwn atomwn, poy profanws exoyn onomatepwnymo kai qhteia sto Ypoyrgeio, ereynatai armodiws apo tis yphresies toy Ypoyrgeioy kai an yparxei kataqesh stoixeiwn sth Dikaiosynh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opoy yparxoyn ypoptes ypoqeseis, ereynwntai apo to Ypoyrgeio. Exw plhroforhqei oti hdh yparxei ereyna gia tria-tessera telwneia. Ta prwta stoixeia ths ereynas, opws ginetai se aytes tis periptwseis, katatiqentai ston armodio Ypoyrgo kai yfypoyrgo kai sth synexeia diatassetai EDE, efoson kriqoyn oti ta stoixeia ayta einai shmantika. Yparxei, loipon, ayth th stigmh, ereyna se ejelijh.

GALIATSATOS: Poso kairo xreiazetai h kybernhsh gia na jekinhsei mia tetoia ereyna, th stigmh poy, opws apokalyce xqes to MEGA kai anadhmosieyetai shmera stis perissoteres efhmerides, me elegktikh ekqesh twn yphresiwn twn telwneiakwn diapistwqhke oti sto telwneio Peiraia kai malista sthn ekfortwsh twn konteiners den elegxontai sxedon para polla fortia, ta opoia exoyn baqmo epikindynothtas 6. Dhladh, oi anqrwpoi aytoi poy diakinoyn ta fortia exoyn hdh emplakei sto parelqon se ypoqeseis laqremporioy. Ayth h ekqesh einai sta xeria ths kybernhshs apo to Maio kai den exw dei akomh kamia kinhsh gia toys anqrwpoys se ayta ta telwneia. Sas ypenqymizw oti o idios o k. Regkoyzas mas eixe pei oti oi metaqeseis aytwn twn anqrwpwn -mono ayto- apofasisthkan ton Aygoysto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei, hdh, se paremferh erwthsh synadelfoy sas, otan eipa oti oi plhrofories apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn anaferoyn oti exei jekinhsei h ereyna. Mhn epanalabw ton tropo poy ginetai h ereyna. Meta ta prwta stoixeia, qa apofasistei ean prepei h oxi na ginei EDE.

TSIKRIKA: O k. Manos exei kataqesei mia erwthsh sth Boylh, opoy rwta ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn ean poyla prostasia to epishmo Dhmosio h ta organa toy. To leei ayto, ormwmenos apo to gegonos oti oi paranomies twn supermarket dhmosiopoioyntai, enw to gegonos oti yphrjan kapoia kentra diaskedashs sthn paraliakh zwnh, ta opoia noqeyoyn ta pota toys kai genikotera kanoyn kai alles paranomies, den doqhkan sth dhmosiothta. Rwta, an ayto synista kai kapoia yponoia gia (den akoygetai) stoys parabates. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eidika gia to qema, o k. Manos qa labei apanthsh apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio. H genikh arxh einai oti den yparxei kanenos eidoys skopimothta na mhn dhmosiopoihqoyn onomata, efoson yparxei kai h adeia apo thn Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn. Den qelw na pw oti sigoyra aytes oi periptwseis empiptoyn se aytes tis diadikasies. Gia na mhn yparjei opoiadhpote parejhghsh anaferw ena paradeigma: Yphrje erwthsh boyleytwn toy PASOK, prin apo merikoys mhnes, gia misqoys stelexwn DEKO. H Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, otan h Boylh apeyqynqhke se ayth, apanthse oti mporei na doqoyn oi genikes kathgories, dhladh o ariqmos atomwn poy ergazontai se mia Dieyqynsh kai h genikh kathgoria misqologikhs katastashs kai oxi eidika gia ton kaqena. Den ta taytizw. Epanalambanw gia trith fora, gia na mhn yparxei parejhghsh: Ekeino poy qelw na katalabete einai oti h kybernhsh den exei kanena logo na mh dhmosiopoihsei onomata, efoson ayto einai dynato na ginei kai den kwlyetai apo alles diadikasies.

KYRITSHS: Sxetika me thn Olympiakh. Eixa rwthsei kai ton Anaplhrwth Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo k. Antwnaro, alla qa hqela na to akoysw apo esas ypo to fws ths dhlwshs toy ajiwmatoyxoy ths LUTFHANSA. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh qa dexotan th diamorfwsh mias monopwliakhs katastashs stis aerometafores sthn Ellada, eite sth sygkekrimenh sygkyria, eite epi ths arxhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epi ths arxhs, qa hqela na sas pw oti prospaqeia kai ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, opws kai olwn twn kybernhsewn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, einai na mhn yparxoyn monopwlia, alla na yparxei antagwnismos, sta plaisia toy ygioys emporioy kai antagwnismoy. Na to pw me mia lejh: Na yparxei ygihs antagwnismos.

KYRITSHS: Ara, epidiwketai na mhn yparjei monopwlio se aerometafores.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se oloys toys tomeis.

KYRITSHS: Sxetika me tis apolyseis dhmosiografwn, qa hqela na rwthsw, ean ws armodios ypoyrgos hrqate se epafh me toys staqmoys poy proxwroyn se apolyseis, an hrqate se epafh ayto to diasthma me thn ESHEA kai genika ti kinhseis exete kanei se ayth thn kateyqynsh, dioti oi apolyseis dhmosiografwn ypobaqmizei kai thn poiothta ths enhmerwshs, nomizw oti ayto to katalabainoyn oloi. Kai ena ypoerwthma se ayto, ean exete ypoch sas oti ta perissotera MME exoyn para poly megala xreh sta tameia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora sto deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, ta Tameia ofeiloyn na eisprattoyn ta xreh toys apo opoiondhpote kai an proerxontai. Opoiosdhpote ofeilei, prepei kai na plhrwnei. Oson afora sto prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas -to eixate ypoballei kai thn perasmenh ebdomada h stis arxes ayths an qymamai kala- qa hqela na sas pw oti eixa thn eykairia na synanthqw me thn ESHEA, thn POESY kai me alles organwseis dhmosiografwn, kaqws kai me thn ESHEMQ, me thn eykairia ths episkechs moy sth DEQ. Syzhthsa mazi toys ta qemata. Sto plaisio twn sygkekrimenwn dynatothtwn poy moy dinei h qesh poy katexw kai o nomos, eixa epafes me seira sygkrothmatwn, idiokthtwn, diaforetikwn Meswn Enhmerwshs, eite radiofwnikwn, eite thleoptikwn, eite toy entypoy logoy. Parallhla, eixa syzhthsei kai me ton Yfypoyrgo k. Giakoymato, o opoios einai kai aytos se epafh me tis epixeirhseis aytes, gia na thrhqoyn oi diadikasies poy prepei, eite se periptwseis opws aytes poy anaferate, eite se zhthmata ergasiakwn sxesewn.

KYRITSHS: Bghke kati k. Ypoyrge, apo aytes tis epafes sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Stis epafes aytes syzhthsame poly anoikta me oloys. Toylaxiston egw syzhthsa me oloys poly anoikta kai eimai bebaios oti kai o k. Giakoymatos epraje to idio. Pantote yparxoyn diaforetikes, antikroyomenes apoceis. Egine prospaqeia na sygkerastoyn aytes oi apoceis mesw toy syndikalistikoy organoy twn dhmosiografwn, ths ESHEA. Den mporw na sas pw oti eimai eytyxhs me ta perissotera apotelesmata.

KAKALHS: O Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs synomilwntas pro oligoy me toys dhmosiografoys, eipe oti ``den qa mas epiballoyn ta kanalia kai to PASOK to poion qa diagracoyme apo to komma'' kai genikotera thn atzenta twn politikwn ejelijewn. Aisqanetai h kybernhsh oti piezetai apo ta MME kai ta kanalia se o,ti afora ton kaqorismo ths atzentas twn politikwn ejelijewn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh sebetai ta MME, to dhmosiografiko leitoyrghma kai toys dhmosiografoys. Kaqe dhmokratia, prepei na gnwrizei oti qa dexqei kritikh. Apo ekei kai pera, to na anoijoyme enan dialogo gia to eidos ths kritikhs, gia ta qemata ths kritikhs, ta qemata poy proballontai k.lp. den nomizw oti einai ths paroyshs stigmhs. Se kaqe periptwsh sas lew oti h kritikh, efoson einai kalopisth, einai kai kalodexoymenh.

GALIATSATOS: qa epimeinw ligo sthn erwthsh moy. Apo th stigmh poy h kybernhsh eixe sta xeria ths -giati aytes oi ekqeseis katalhgoyn sta xeria toy armodioy yfypoyrgoy h ypoyrgoy- ayth thn ekqesh twn elegktwn ti ekane, pws kinhqhke, giati to qema exei fqasei mexri edw pera; Yparxoyn politikes eyqynes oti ayth h istoria paremeine anenergh epi treis mhnes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas edwsa thn plhroforhsh poy eixa apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Antilambanomai oti to qema exei megalo endiaferon. Kai gia emena exei endiaferon. Qa sas parakaloysa na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn gia perissoteres leptomereies.

LEONTITSH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia thn egkyklio toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, poy mas eipate kapoia pragmata xqes, qa hqela na rwthsw kati pio sygkekrimeno gia na doyme ti allazei: Enas xamhlosyntajioyxos twn 600 eyrw poy, gia paradeigma, xrwstaei sthn eforia 500 h 600 eyrw, adynatoyse na ta apoplhrwsei mexri twra. Twra, omws, me thn efarmogh ths egkyklioy ta xrhmata ayta qa kataballontai apo ton misqologiko toy logariasmo xwris th synainesh toy syntajioyxoy h toy misqwtoy, se ayth thn periptwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xrhsimopoihsate dyo fores to ``twra''. Eipa kai xqes oti den allazei tipota. Isxyei, o,ti isxye. Malista akoysthke kai xqes se kapoia MME oti -den to exw egw sta xeria moy na sas to pw, alla to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias to exei- eixe yparjei mia seira apo egkyklioys se oles tis prohgoymenes kybernhseis. Einai mia diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai epi 31 oloklhra xronia. Den exei allajei tipota apolytws.

GALIATSATOS: Th Deytera anoigei h olomeleia ths Boylhs kai apo th dikh sas pleyra ekkremoyn dyo shmantika nomosxedia: To ena einai gia to basiko metoxo kai to allo gia th ryqmish twn adeiodothsewn kanaliwn, radiofwnwn k.lp. Ti ginetai me ayta, mporeite na mas enhmerwsete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Synexizoyme tis epafes -oi opoies einai poly sygkekrimenes- me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph gia na katalhjoyme se ayto poy sas exw pei. Qa moy epitrecete na epanalabw, paroti den sas aresei, ayto poy exw pei kai alles fores: Ews otoy oloklhrwqoyn aytes oi syzhthseis den qa pw tipota perissotero.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai xqes kai shmera, edw eginan kapoies syneleyseis gia th metafora twn dyo Grammateiwn. Metajy allwn, akoysthkan kai oti einai anqygieino to neo kthrio, den exei kalo ejaerismo, yparxoyn problhmata. Epimenete oti prepei na pane ekei oi dyo Grammateies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy kai oi dyo Genikoi Grammateis einai sth diaqesh twn ergazomenwn. Efoson pisteyoyn oti yparxei to opoiodhpote problhma se sxesh me thn ygeia toys mporoyn na kalesoyn oloys toys armodioys foreis poy qa krinoyn ean pragmatika yparxei kati tetoio. Ayto to kthrio eixe jekinhsei na xtizetai edw kai para poly kairo. Akoloyqei toys kanones, poy throyntai se ola ta dhmosia kai dh ta monterna kthria. Pisteyw oti den qa yparjei tetoio problhma, opws ayto poy anaferete kai qa proxwrhsei kanonika to sxedio, opws eixe apofasistei edw kai polla xronia. To kthrio ayto, sto opoio stegazontai oi dyo Grammateies, opws gnwrizete anhkei se allo ypoyrgeio, to opoio to zhtaei edw kai, epishs, para polla xronia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To press room, ayto poy xtizetai ekei katw, gia posa atoma einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai megalytero apo ayto poy stegazomaste twra, poly kalytero apo apoch yphresiwn, xwroy kai texnikwn anesewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai xwris kanena paraqyro.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, ki edw blepw oti oi koyrtines einai kleistes! Sto press room erxeste gia na akoysete tis apanthseis moy h gia na deite th qea;

SARANTAKOS: Eipate kati prin sthn erwthsh poy sas apeyqyne o k. Galiatsatos. Oti den qa peite tipota dhmosiws gia mia diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai. Giati; Einai en kryptw; Yparxei kati to opoio den gnwrizete h den qelete na dhmosiopoihsete; Einai diadikastiko to erwthma moy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dioti ayth einai h politikh moy apofash.

XIWTHS: O nomos 3310 poy chfisate, exei anastalei na isxyei mexri 31 Oktwbrioy. Ektimate oti mexri tote qa exoyn oloklhrwqei oi diaboyleyseis me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph h qa xreiastei na pame se mia nea paratash ths anastolhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipota perissotero ep` aytoy.

SARANTAKOS: Einai dikh sas politikh apofash; Ayto shmainei oti ekfrazete kai ton k. Paylopoylo, o opoios fantazomai oti ejakoloyqei na xeirizetai to qema toy basikoy metoxoy mazi sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se agasth synergasia me ton k. Paylopoylo, oloys aytoys toys mhnes, gia to qema toy basikoy metoxoy.

SARANTAKOS: Profanws. Einai diapistwmeno.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xairomai poy to diapistwnete ki eseis, me to ``profanws'' poy eipate.

SARANTAKOS: Apolytws. Hqela na rwthsw ean ekproswpeite kai ton k. Paylopoylo me thn apofash sas ayth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws. Einai syzhthseis poy kanoyme synexws me ton k. Paylopoylo.

KORAH: Parenqesh: O k. Paylopoylos se synenteyjh poy moy edwse sthn ``Eleyqerotypia'' eipe oti eseis xeirizeste to qema twra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Briskomai se apolyth synennohsh mazi toy. Diabasa poly kala th synenteyjh sas, kai giati thn phrate eseis kai giati miloyse o k. Paylopoylos.

KORAH: Eyxaristw para poly. Omws, to idio isxyei kai gia to nomosxedio poy qa afora th sygkentrwsh twn Meswn; Dhladh, kanete epishs epafes me thn E.E. kai gi ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite egw ftaiw poy den apanthsa giati to eqese o k. Galiatsatos prohgoymenws. Eipa kai allh fora oti einai to epomeno bhma. Ews otoy oloklhrwqei to prwto bhma, den einai fronimo na proxwra kaneis sto deytero. Nai, exw polles epafes. Jerete poly kala oti me toys synergates moy kaname kai mia seira epafwn se alles xwres ths E.E. sygkentrwnontas yliko, empeiries, idees gia ta qemata ths sygkentrwshs.

TSIODRAS: O k. Ebert xqes sxoliazontas thn egkyklio, h opoia isxye, opws lete, kai afora toys misqwtoys kai toys syntajioyxoys, eipe oti qa prepei na jekinhsei apo alloy h kybernhsh, ennowntas ta ychla eisodhmata. Qelw to diko sas sxolio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sxoliasw th dhlwsh toy k. Ebert. H kybernhsh gnwrizei -opws gnwrize kai h prohgoymenh kybernhsh- oti ta xreh pros to dhmosio anerxontai se peripoy 18,5 disekatommyria eyrw, sxedon diplasio poso toy elleimmatos poy antimetwpizei h xwra. Ginetai mia prospaqeia oi ofeiletes na ekplhrwnoyn tis ypoxrewseis toys. Opws oloi otan lambanete to ekkaqaristiko ths eforias frontizete eite apaj, eite se doseis na plhrwsete tis ypoxrewseis sas, ws Ellhnes polites, apaiteitai apo thn ellhnikh Politeia na mhn yparxoyn polites dyo kathgoriwn. Na mhn yparxoyn kapoioi poy plhrwnoyn, opws eseis kai kapoioi poy den plhrwnoyn gia diaforoys logoys.

KAKALHS: Posa apo ayta ta xreh twn 18 dis exoyn ofeiletes syntajioyxoys kai misqwtoys; Kai giati ejantleite se aytoys thn aysthrothta kai den exete@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas apanthsw me mia aplh skech. Den exw th leptomerh enhmerwsh kai mporei na thn exei o synadelfos sas syntakths toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias. Opws jerete, stoys misqwtoys kai toys syntajioyxoys, parakrathsh toy foroy ginetai sthn phgh. Ara, loipon, prin paroyn to misqo sta xeria toys exei ginei h parakrathsh toy foroy. Einai profanes, loipon, oti milame -sthn pleiochfia toylaxiston- gia alla fysika proswpa, ta opoia eite exoyn etaireies, eite me ton opoiodhpote tropo den mporese to dhmosio na parei ta xrhmata poy toy ofeiloyn. Eseis, ws misqwtos, pairnete ton kaqaro misqo sas kai h eforia exei hdh krathsei to pososto poy ths analogei. Ara, loipon, den exoyme na kanoyme toso poly me ayto poy eipate.

Sas eyxaristw.

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