Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-08-30

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Aqhna, 30 Aygoystoy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs sthn opoia syzhthqhke to qema ths toyristikhs anaptyjhs. O ypoyrgos Toyristikhs Anaptyjhs k. Dhmhtrhs Abramopoylos exei hdh kanei analytikes dhlwseis ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy, stis opoies kai sas parapempw.

O prwqypoyrgos ayrio stis 09.30 qa exei synergasia sto Megaro Majimoy me ton ypoyrgo Emporikhs Naytilias k. Manwlh Kefalogiannh kai stis 10.00 me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giwrgo Alogoskoyfh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Yphrxan parapona toy k. Abramopoyloy gia thn bohqeia poy eprepe na dwsei sto YPEXWDE se diafora qemata analoga me thn toyristikh anaptyjh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. To entelws antiqeto. Ena qema poy syzhthqhke kai aforoyse to YPEXWDE proxwra me poly kalh synergasia metajy twn dyo ypoyrgeiwn. Pisteyoyme oti ews thn anoijh qa exei anakoinwqei ena poly shmantiko nomosxedio poy afora se zhthmata xwrotajias. Den qelw na pw perissotera. Problhmata etwn antimetwpizontai me poly kalh synergasia kai koines antilhceis metajy twn dyo ypoyrgeiwn.

BLAXOS: Dhladh pisteyete oti ayth h synergasia apo thn pleyra toy YPEXWDE, proxwra se ikanopoihtiko ryqmo h einai mia synergasia poy kaqysterei, poy qa mporoyse na htan kalyterh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Proxwra se apolytws ikanopoihtiko baqmo opws dhlwse, allwste, kai o idios o ypoyrgos Toyristikhs Anaptyjhs k. Abramopoylos.

BLAXOS: Emena me endiaferei ean o Prwqypoyrgos einai ikanopoihmenos, den me endiaferei o k. Abramopoylos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean milame gia to idio qema, yparxei mia para poly kalh synergasia.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes sthn Praga, o Prwqypoyrgos kalese thn Toyrkia na efarmosei to Prwtokollo ths Telwneiakhs Enwshs kai me thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean ayth h efarmogh, prepei kata thn ellhnikh kybernhsh na ginei prin thn enarjh twn diapragmateysewn stis 3 Oktwbrioy. Ean qa prepei dhladh ta toyrkika limania kai ta toyrkika aerodromia, na anoijoyn sta ploia kai sta aeroplana ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias prin thn enarjh twn diapragmateysewn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa meinw sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy Epishs qa hqela na sas qymisw oti yparxei mia seira diaboyleysewn kai syzhthsewn sta armodia organa tis epomenes ebdomades se epipedo Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

SARANTAKOS: Eiste se qesh na mas anakoinwsete posa kondylia diateqhkan mexri shmera gia th diafhmish ths xwras sto ejwteriko; Kai an telika exete eseis san ypoyrgos Epikrateias eyqynh ths dianomhs aytwn twn kondyliwn gia th diafhmish kai an exei ginei kapoios programmatismos gia toy xronoy, gia to posa xrhmata qa diateqoyn gi@ ayto to skopo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas apanthsw sto zhthma ths eyqynhs, giati isws den to exete parakoloyqhsei leptomerws, epeidh den eiste o armodios syntakths poy asxoleitai me ayta ta qemata, gi@ ayto kai me rwtate. Opws qymaste eixe synapofasistei perysi sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph mia synergasia h opoia kai egine metajy twn Ypoyrgeiwn Oikonomias, Toyristikhs Anaptyjhs kai twn Grammateiwn Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs gia th strathgikh ths diafhmishs. Analyqhke h diafhmish mas kai proxwrhse poly grhgora. Gia prwth fora to ellhniko kratos ekane diafhmish apo tis arxes Dekembrioy, otan sto parelqon h diafhmish ths toyristikhs probolhs ths xwras sto ejwteriko ginotan Martio, Aprilio h kamia fora kai mesa sto kalokairi toy idioy xronoy. Antistoixws qa proxwrhsoyn ta programmata kai gia thn epomenh toyristikh sezon. Eimaste poly ikanopoihmenoi apo thn apodosh aytwn twn programmatwn. Se o,ti afora leptomereies gi@ ayta ta zhthmata h gi@ ayta poy rwthsate kai einai sobara zhthmata, mporeite na apeyqynqeite ston k. Abramopoylo. Yparxoyn diagwnismoi poy einai dhmosioi, opws jerete -isws den toys parakoloyqeite- otan aytoi oi diagwnismoi prokhryssontai katagrafontai stis efhmerides, me sygkekrimenoys kanones gia to poies etaireies analambanoyn th diafhmistikh kampania. Efoson exete idiaitero endiaferon, parakalw na anatrejete stis efhmerides poy exoyn dhmosieytei -isws kai sthn efhmerida poy ergazeste na exoyn dhmosieytei aytes oi prokhryjeis- kai na apeyqynqeite gia oti peraiterw sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

SARANTAKOS: Egw rwthsa apla gia ta kondylia. Ayto htan to endiaferon, na dw@..

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ola ayta katagrafontai stoys diagwnismoys.

TSIODRAS: An synexistei h anodos ths timhs toy petrelaioy, h an parameinei s@ ayta ta ychla epipeda poy brisketai shmera, gia na mhn milame me to an ejetazei h kybernhsh to endexomeno ayjhsewn se dhmosies sygkoinwnies klp, to syzhta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kati tetoio.

KAKALHS: Oi biomhxanoi proanhggeilan oti qa metakylhsoyn stoys katanalwtes dhladh sta laika eisodhmata ta barh ths petrelaikhs krishs, ths kerdoskopias twn polyeqnikwn petrelaiwn kat@ eme, h kybernhsh qa parakoloyqei apaqhs ayth th lehlasia twn laikwn eisodhmatwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An ennoeite giati h kybernhsh den parembainei gia na meiwqei h timh toy petrelaioy dieqnws @@.

KAKALHS: Oxi den ennow ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: @An ayto einai to erwthma sas den xreiazetai kan na apanthqei.

KAKALHS: Oi biomhxanoi eipan oti qa metakylhsoyn ta barh ayths ths petrelaikhs krishs@..

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na sas qymisw mia xarakthristikh periptwsh, thn anefera malista kai s@ ayth thn aiqoysa, otan eipwqhke sxedon apeilhtika h ``ekdikhtika'' apo kapoia omada epixeirhmatiwn oti qa proxwroyse sth metakylhsh barwn ston katanalwth, qymaste poly kala thn amesh antidrash toy ypoyrgoy Anaptyjhs k. Sioyfa kai ta prostima poy epiblhqhkan. Milaw gia ta soyper market, gia na sas to qymisw, ean to jexasate.

KAKALHS: Kai twra synexizoyn ta soyper market tis anatimhseis kanonika. Mia frastikh apeilh den fqanei. Ayto qelw na pw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh den apeilei kanenan. Den htan apeilh. Htan h ypoxrewsh poy exei h Politeia na mporesei na bohqhsei ton Ellhna katanalwth wste na mhn peftei qyma kerdoskopias. Kai ayto ginetai kai me prostima poy epiblhqhkan kai me synexeis eikositetrawroys elegxoys.

BLAXOS: Sas akoysa prin apo ligo na yperhfaneyeste oti h Ellada ekane egkairws diafhmish sto ejwteriko me ta xrhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy, opws kai pragmati egine, omws erxontai oi toyristes kai diapistwnoyn thn poly kakh ews aqlia eikona twn aktoploikwn sygkoinwniwn. Hdh, diabazoyme kai se diafores efhmerides oti yparxei se ejelijh ekbiasmos apo orismenoys aktoplooys. Malista, qymamai se mia periodeia proeklogika toy k. Karamanlh sta Dwdekanhsa oloi ena pragma toy eixan zhthsei, na kanei kati me thn aktoploia sta Dwdekanhsa. O Prwqypoyrgos qa kanei kati me thn aktoploia h qa perimenei h kybernhsh toys aktoplooys na ekbiazoyn kai na diasyroyn dieqnws thn eikona ths Elladas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws den apeilei mia kybernhsh -kai etsi prepei na ginetai me kaqe kybernhsh- etsi kai mia kybernhsh den prepei na ekbiazetai. Qelw na sas qymisw oti exoyn yparjei analytikes dhlwseis toy Ypoyrgoy Naytilias k. Kefalogiannh, meta apo synanthsh poy eixe me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Exei yparjei mia seira metrwn poy elabe o armodios ypoyrgos. Epishs, epiblhqhkan polla prostima se etaireies, oi opoies dhmioyrghsan problhmata ston kosmo poy hqele na tajidecei sta nhsia. Problhmata synexizoyn na yparxoyn, den lyqhkan ola. H prospaqeia mas einai na meiwqoyn oso to dynaton perissotero. Epishs, h prospaqeia mas einai na sebontai oloi opws ofeiloyn kai na parexoyn yphresies ychloy epipedoy se osoys qeloyn na tajidecoyn me ploio. Exete dikio oti blaptetai h toyristikh eikona mas apo mikra h megalytera gegonota. Ena mikro gegonos kaqysterhshs poy ofeiletai se kako programmatismo ths etaireias h eikones poy parathroyntai se polla toyristika merh me skoypidia stoys dromoys, einai qemata poy blaptoyn ton ellhniko toyrismo. Eytyxws, h Politeia epagrypnei. Eytyxws arketoi polites exoyn syneidhtopoihsei oti h ypoqesh toy toyrismoy afora, oxi mono thn eqnikh oikonomia, alla kata synepeia kai thn oikonomia toy kaqenos. Afora ton topo kai to mellon toy. Eytyxws ta pragmata phgainoyn kalytera ston toyrismo, opws apodeiknyetai apo ta stoixeia poy anakoinwse shmera o k. Abramopoylos.

BLAXOS: Qelw na epimeinw, giati prin apo liges hmeres eixame to ejhs fainomeno: Ena ploio na jekina apo ena nhsi kai sth diarkeia toy diaploy toy Ikarioy Pelagoys, to ploio tajideye me klish. Dhladh, eftase sto limani, epeidh aplws eixe thn tyxh na mhn yparxoyn kakes kairikes synqhkes. Den sygkinhqhke kaneis. To diabasate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Efoson ayto synebh, einai ena aparadekto gegonos. Pisteyw oti qa symfwnhsoyn oloi mazi mas. Epishs, pisteyw pws qa symfwnhsete oti gia prwth fora epiblhqhkan mia seira apo prostima se etaireies poy eixan paraleiceis toy eidoys poy anaferate prohgoymenws, oi opoies oxi aplws blaptoyn thn eikona ths toyristikhs Elladas, alla se orismenes periptwseis, endexomenws, eqetan kai se kindyno th zwh allwn synanqrwpwn mas. H Politeia epagrypnei. Kanei ayto poy prepei na kanei. Epiballei ta prostima poy prepei kai kanei toys elegxoys. Stis periptwseis aytes poy anaferate, ta prostima htan yperogka se sxesh me alles periptwseis toy parelqontos. Ta problhmata den teleiwnoyn kai sigoyra den mporei mesa se ena xrono h kybernhsh na ta lysei ola. Elpizw ta pragmata na einai poly kalytera toy xronoy.

BLAXOS: Qelw na epimeinw. Ti na to kanw to prostimo, ean to ploio exei boyliajei; H Politeia pairnei metra prin. Meta ti na to kanei to prostimo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws kai h Politeia lambanei metra prin. Otan, loipon, erxetai mia etaireia kai leei oti xalase h mhxanh toy karabioy thn prwth kai th deyterh hmera, ofeilei h Politeia na kanei kati. Den mporei h Politeia na ftiajei th mhxanh. Qelei, loipon, na kanei ton epixeirhmatia na katalabei oti den mporei na symperiferetai me tropo poy en telei qa einai blaptikos gia th sygkoinwnia kai toys polites poy qeloyn na xrhsimopoihsoyn ayto to meso. Ayto ton tropo exei h Politeia.

KAKALHS: Exei kai tis epidothseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh einai apofasismenh na apeleyqerwsei tis aktoploikes sygkoinwnies.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na sas apanthsw se ayto to erwthma. Yparxoyn kanones poy throyntai. Den gnwrizw na yparxei kapoia skech, opws ayth poy anaferate.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton k. Poytin otan erqei edw; Poy kai pote;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei epibebaiwqei akoma episkech toy k. Poytin sto Agio Oros. Otan epibebaiwqei, qa sas enhmerwsw.

BLAXOS: Apo tis efhmerides perimenete na enhmerwqeite dhladh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan ki an epibebaiwqei ayth h episkech, qa sas enhmerwsw.

BLAXOS: Oi efhmerides grafoyn oti o k. Karamanlhs qa paei stis 8 Septembrioy sth Qessalonikh. Isxyei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan ki an epibebaiwqei, qa sas enhmerwsw. Sas qymizw oti alles dyo fores sto parelqon eprokeito na episkeftei to Agio Oros o k. Poytin kai den phge telika.

POYLIDOY: O Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, sthn Praga, milhse gia thn ypochfiothta ths PGDM kai an katalaba swsta proanhggeile oti h Ellada mporei na qesei beto otan teqei to qema ths enarjhs twn entajiakwn ths diapragmateysewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto erwthma htan safhs. H erwthsh opws egine ston Prwqypoyrgo -exw to keimeno mprosta moy- htan: ``Gia thn Ellada paramenei h dhlwsh oti efoson den lyqei to zhthma ths onomasias den mporei na proxwrhsei h eyrwpaikh poreia ths Dhmokratias twn Skopiwn''. Kai h apanthsh, metajy allwn katalhgei ``Kai bebaiws einai mia parametros, h opoia barynei idiaitera thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh mias xwras''. Htan safhs h apanthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Exei kai ena allo skelos h apanthsh. Oti gia thn Ellada den yparxei h prooptikh na proxwrhsei h entajiakh poreia ths xwras.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti katalhgei etsi. O Prwqypoyrgos exei apanthsei analytika.

POYLIDOY: Giati tote, enanti ths Toyrkias, h genikh strathgikh ths kybernhshs einai oti o eyrwpaikos prosanatolismos ths xwras dieykolynei th synarthsh allwn eqnikwn qematwn kai enanti ths FYROM den isxyei ayth h logikh, para edw exoyme mia teleiws diaforetikh antilhch;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws elege o Eleyqerios Benizelos ``ejwterikh politikh einai ta eqnika soy symferonta''. Yparxei, loipon, diaforetikh proseggish. Einai logiko na yparxei diaforetikh proseggish se kaqe zhthma ths ejwterikhs politikhs. Den mporei na akoloyqhqei mia eniaia grammh gia ta panta. Ayto, istorika einai apodedeigmeno kai mallon orqo na ginetai apo tis kybernhseis twn kratwn.

XIWTHS: Gnwrizete ean o Prwqypoyrgos apanthse sthn epistolh poy elabe thn Paraskeyh apo thn k. Merkel; Kai an telika h kybernhsh yioqetei h apodokimazei tis apoceis poy ekfrazei me thn epistolh ths k. Merkel.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean exei yparjei apanthsh. Fantazomai oti qa yparjei. Qelw na sas epanalabw -kai sas eipwqhke apo thn prwth stigmh, eite apo emena, eite apo toys synergates moy- oti lambanoyme sobara ypoch tis epishmanseis ths k. Merkel sto plaisio ths akoloyqoymenhs ejwterikhs politikhs mas.

XIWTHS: To ``lambanoyme sobara ypoch tis apoceis ths k. Merkel'', den apanta sto erwthma ean h ellhnikh kybernhsh tis yioqetei h oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean perimenete sthn ejwterikh politikh na apanthqoyn ola ta erwthmata dia mias, den symbainei ayto. H ejwterikh politikh mas sto sygkekrimeno zhthma exei analyqei polles fores kai apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo. Epanalambanw oti oi epishmanseis ths k. Merkel, poy estalhsan me thn epistolh, apoteloyn gia thn ellhnikh kybernhsh ena keimeno idiaitera endiaferon kai shmantiko, gi` ayto kai tis lambanoyme sobara ypoch.

LEONTITSH: Qa hqela na rwthsw gia thn ayjhsh ths timhs toy petrelaioy. Einai safes oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh den mporei na parembei stis dieqneis agores. Eipate prin anaforika me tis proanaggelies twn biomhxanwn, epishs, oti den mporei na apeilei. To erwthma einai to ejhs: Yparxei sygkekrimenos sxediasmos apo thn Kybernhsh gia to poios qa epwmistei @ h pws qa epwmistoyn @ to kostos ths ayjhshs toy petrelaioy se oloklhrh thn ellhnikh koinwnia; Ti metra qa parei h ellhnikh kybernhsh; Yparxoyn probleceis oti to argo petrelaio qa aggijei kai ta 100 dolaria to bareli. Yparxei sxediasmos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: @Isws apoysiazate thn hmera poy eixe erqei o k. Sioyfas, giati eixan teqei tetoia erwthmata. Qa sas anaferw monon mia genikh topoqethsh apo ta osa eixe pei o k. Sioyfas s@ ayth thn aiqoysa. Para thn ayjhsh h opoia yperbainei to 100% dieqnws sthn timh toy petrelaioy, oi ayjhseis twn proiontwn sthn Ellada, me yperprospaqeia exoyn ftasei se pososta poly xamhlotera. Den qelw na anaferqw se perissoteroys ariqmoys shmera. Mporw na sas parapemcw se ekeinh thn enhmerwsh toy k. Sioyfa, thn opoia allwste exete stoys ypologistes sas efoson anazhthsete to arxeio. Genikotera pantws, qelw na sas pw oti isxyei oti eipa kai nwritera. Ginetai prospaqeia kai gia ton elegxo kai gia thn katapolemhsh ths kerdoskopias. H anodos ths timhs toy petrelaioy einai poly megalh, plhttei polles oikonomies, isws th dikh mas perissotero apo alles, giati ejartatai poly perissotero apo alles oikonomies. Ginetai prospaqeia apo pleyras kybernhsews na prowqhqoyn nees enallaktikes morfes energeias. Gia paradeigma: H ypoqesh fysikoy aerioy thn opoia gnwrizete qa bohqhsei ta noikokyria na ejoikonomhsoyn toylaxiston to 20% twn xrhmatwn poy plhrwnoyn shmera sth qermansh. Oi enallaktikes morfes energeias me biomaza gia thn dhmioyrgia kai thn paragwgh energeias proxwroyn, exei ginei hdh to prwto ergostasio. Ginetai mia seira apo parallhles prospaqeies. Arkei kanenas na pei - bebaiws, me to ``ean'' den kanei kaneis doyleia - oti ean den yphrxe ayth h terastia anodos ths timhs toy petrelaioy, h Ellada qa eixe fetos to xamhlotero plhqwrismo meta apo sxedon 50 xronia. Alla dystyxws ta pragmata sth dieqnh agora toy petrelaioy den pane kala.

LEONTITSH: Ayth th stigmh den perimenete neo kyma anatimhsewn me bash thn ektinajh twn timwn toy petrelaioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas lew oti ginetai prospaqeia na pataxqei kaqe apopeira kerdoskopias.

GKOYTZANHS: Mas anaptyjate thn prospaqeia poy kanei h kybernhsh na periorisei thn ayjhsh twn timwn logw ths dieqnoys ayjhshs ths timhs toy petrelaioy. Mhpws skopeyei na parei kai kapoia metra gia thn anakoyfish twn xamhlosyntajioyxwn kai xamhlomisqwn, poy estw kai apo ayth th mikroterh ayjhsh twn timwn epibarynontai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi prospaqeies poy ginontai einai polles kai gnwstes. Na mhn anaferqw kai pali sta osa sas exw pei kata kairoys apo thn ypoqesh toy LAFKA kai epekeina. Ginetai mia seira pollwn prospaqeiwn gia na beltiwqoyn oi synqhkes zwhs kai twn xamhlomisqwn kai twn xamhlosyntajioyxwn.

SIDERHS: Dedomenhs ths sygkyrias mia parametros einai h kinhsh. Mhpws h Kybernhsh skeftetai epiteloys na epitrecei kai thn petrelaiokinhsh sta I.X. sthn Ellada; Dedomenoy oti kaine ligotero apo ta alla aytokinhta kai einai to idio oikologika pleon oso einai kai oi mhxanes ths katalytikhs benzinhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai alhqeia oti exoyn ginei polles syzhthseis gia ayto. Nomizw sas to eixe epibebaiwsei sto parelqon kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai, an den me apata, h mnhmh moy, o k. Soyflias. Ginontai diafores syzhthseis. Yparxoyn epixeirhmata kai antepixeirhmata sthn ypoqesh toy petrelaioy kinhshs, idiaitera sto Nomo Attikhs, poy einai arketa epibarhmenos. Den exoyn katalhjei akoma, alla to qema meletatai plhqysmiaka apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys.

BLAXOS: Na symperanw dhladh oti oi jenoi poy exoyn epitrecei thn petrelaiokinhsh stis megales poleis, einai blakes kai emeis eimaste oi ejypnoi poy akoma to meletame.

ROYSOPOYLOS:@Exete pantote mia manixaistikh apoch me to aspro kai to mayro.

BLAXOS: Ti ``meletame''; Perimename ton k. Alogoskoyfh apo ton perasmeno Dekembrio. Eixe pei oti arxes toy xronoy qa epitrapei kai den kanei kaneis tipota. Mallon paizoyn me ton pono twn @.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti einai ena poly dyskolo qema, den einai toso aplo.

BLAXOS: To exoyn lysei sto ejwteriko k. ypoyrge.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qema ayto exei mia seira pollwn parametrwn. Pistecte me, den eimai eidikos, exei tyxei na to akoysw se syzhthseis ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs sto parelqon kai diapistwsa kai egw oti yparxoyn mia seira pollwn problhmatwn. Makari na lyqoyn ayta ta problhmata kai na katalhjoyme sthn kalyterh dynath lysh gia toys polites .

BLAXOS: Sta tajidia sas sto ejwteriko poy rwtoysate tis jenes xwres gia to basiko metoxo kai toys alloys nomoys, giati den rwtoysate kai ti kanoyn ekei gia to petrelaio, na enhmerwqeite na deite pws ta exoyn lysei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai qema ths armodiothtas moy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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