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Aqhna, 12 Ianoyarioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh apodokimazei thn anakoinwsh twn syndikalistwn ths DAKE, me thn opoia kathgoroyn toys kyrioys Mixaloliako kai Loylh, kaqws kanei logo kai gia orismenoys poy nomizoyn oti to kratos einai diko toys bilaeti;

ANTWNAROS: Oi syndikalistes ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys. Thn eyqynh askhshs ths politikhs exei h kybernhsh. H kybernhsh exei kanei tis politikes epiloges ths kai exei xarajei thn politikh ths. Thn politikh ayth efarmozoyn aparegklita oloi oi Ypoyrgoi.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dyo syntomes erwthseis eqnikoy endiaferontos: H mia afora thn proklhtikothta twn Toyrkwn sta @Imia me tis gnwstes aktaiwroys, oi opoies kata genikh ektimhsh egkymonoyn megaloys eqnikoys kindynoys, kai qa hqela na topoqethqeite pws antimetwpizei ayto to problhma h ellhnikh kybernhsh; H deyterh afora th dhlwsh Poytin sth synanthsh toy me ton k. Erntogan sth Mosxa, opoy gia prwth fora akoygetai apo rwsika xeilh na legetai oti einai adikos o dieqnhs apokleismos twn Toyrkokypriwn. Froneite oti allazei h rwsikh politikh enanti toy Kypriakoy me ayth th dhlwsh toy k. Poytin;

ANTWNAROS: Sxetika me to qema twn Imiwn ekdoqhke xqes anakoinwsh apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, h opoia ejhgei th stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Den yparxei kanenas logos na thn epanalabw. Oson afora sth dhlwsh Poytin, prokeitai gia periexomena dhmosieymatwn. H ellhnikh kybernhsh qelei na perimenei thn oloklhrwsh ths episkechs Erntogan, na enhmerwqei epishmws kai na ajiologhsei ta apotelesmata ayths ths episkechs.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Dhladh, piqanws na mhn exoyn ginei aytes oi dhlwseis toy k. Poytin;

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa tipota tetoio. Eipa oti oi dhlwseis, tis opoies exoyme ayth th stigmh, einai dhlwseis poy metaferontai men apo sobara eidhseografika praktoreia, apo efhmerides, alla h enhmerwsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs ginetai me epishmo, me diplwmatiko tropo. H episkech brisketai se ejelijh. Qeloyme na perimenoyme thn oloklhrwsh ths

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos den eqese to qema ths amfisbhthshs twn kyriarxikwn dikaiwmatwn apo thn Toyrkia sto Aigaio prin h kai kata th Synodo Koryfhs ths E.E. stis Bryjelles, ton perasmeno mhna. Twra ta diabhmata poy anaferei to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, oti qa kanei ek twn ysterwn se epipedo E.E. pisteyete oti qa exoyn apotelesmatikothta;

ANTWNAROS: Ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata ths Elladas sto Aigaio einai dedomena. H Ellada exei dikaiwmata ta opoia kai perifroyrei. H enhmerwsh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ginetai se efarmogh ths paragrafoy 20 twn Symperasmatwn toy prosfatoy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy. Enhmerwnetai, loipon, h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia th stash mias xwras -opws einai h Toyrkia- h opoia exei balei stoxo na ginei plhres melos ths E.E. kai profanws akoloyqei mia symperifora, h opoia den einai symbath me ayth thn prospaqeia.

KAKALHS: Den yparxei qema parabiasewn twn kyriarxikwn dikaiwmatwn me to xqesino epeisodio sta @Imia h me tis kaqhmerines parabiaseis toy eqnikoy enaerioy xwroy mas;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh, to ellhniko kratos perifroyroyn ta ellhnika kyriarxika dikaiwmata. Kanei oles tis energeies poy epiballontai.

GKOYTZANHS: Swsto einai ayto. Ara, h Toyrkia me tis aktaiwroys amfisbhtei ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata kai h Ellada ta perifroyrei.

ANTWNAROS: Ti qelete na pw egw;

GKOYTZANHS: Arxika eipate oti den yparxei qema amfisbhthshs kyriarxikwn dikaiwmatwn.

ANTWNAROS: H arxikh erwthsh perieixe mia momfh xwris bash gia th stash toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ena paraplhsio qema sxetika me th stash ths Rwsias sto qema toy agwgoy Mpoyrgkas-Alejandroypolh. Exoyme mia nea dhlwsh enos dieyqynth ths kratikhs etaireias AMBO, o opoios leei oti qa kataskeyastei o agwgos Mpoyrgkas-Aylwna kai h rwsikh pleyra apesyre to endiaferon gia ton agwgo Mpoyrgkas-Alejandroypolh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw sth xqesinh dhlwsh toy Yfypoyrgoy Anaptyjhs k. Salagkoydh, o opoios dieykrinise oti ola ayta den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Epishmainw oti synexizontai oi energeies gia thn oloklhrwsh aytoy toy ergoy, to opoio ejalloy prosfata monografhqhke.

SIDERHS: Ap` o,ti jeroyme, omws, apesyre to endiaferon ths, den to ypegrace h rwsikh pleyra, gi ayto kai anablhqhke.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti synexizontai oi energeies gia thn oloklhrwsh toy ergoy.

RABANOS: Stis 17 Dekembrioy apo tis Bryjelles o Prwqypoyrgos eixe pei oti h stash ths Toyrkias qa ajiologeitai synexws. Yparxei kapoios mhxanismos poy katagrafontai ola ayta ta epeisodia, oi parabiaseis, ton opoio emeis den gnwrizoyme. Pws ajiologeite th stash ths Toyrkias;

ANTWNAROS: H sygkekrimenh symperifora ths Toyrkias -opws sas eipa kai prin kai opws dieykrinise to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn xqes- den synadei me thn prospaqeia ths Toyrkias na ginei plhres melos ths E.E. H Toyrkia prosdoka na arxisoyn oi entajiakes diapragmateyseis stis 3 Oktwbrioy 2005. Mexri tote prepei na exei ekplhrwsei diafores proypoqeseis. H symperifora ayth ths Toyrkias den katagrafetai mono apo emas, alla elegxetai kai apo ta 25 krath-melh ths E.E., ths opoias qelei na ginei melos. Orismena de apo ayta ta qemata aforoyn amesws, alla oxi monon, thn Ellada. H Ellada, loipon, otan qewrhsei oti h Toyrkia exei mia symperifora, h opoia den einai symbath me thn prospaqeia poy kanei h Toyrkia gia na ginei plhres melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs enhmerwnei -opws exei ypoxrewsh- thn E.E. Qa hqela na sas pw dieykrinistika oti krinetai h eyrwpaikh symperifora ths Toyrkias synolika kai krinetai se para polloys tomeis.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Opws gnwrizete to dikaiwma toy beto to diathrei akoma kai h Ellada kai h Kypros. Toyto shmainei oti ayth h symperifora ths Toyrkias piqanws na allajei th qesh ths Elladas; Den lew gia thn Kypro, giati diathrei to dikaiwma ths. Piqanws ayth h symperifora kata ths Elladas na allajei th symperifora ths sto qema ths entajhs ths Toyrkias sthn E.E.;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos kata thn prosfath Synodo Koryfhs orise th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Den exw na prosqesw tipota allo.

GKOYTZANHS: Dhladh, h ellhnikh kybernhsh qa synexisei na parakoloyqei kai na katagrafei th symperifora ths Toyrkias na apadei apo ta eyrwpaika dedomena;

ANTWNAROS: H symperifora ths Toyrkias krinetai synexws.

GKOYTZANHS: Exei, omws, ena dia tayta. Den einai aytoskopos h katagrafh.

ANTWNAROS: H Toyrkia exei na kanei bhmata akoma, mexris otoy arxisoyn oi entajiakes diapragmateyseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Synepws, h erwthsh einai h ejhs: Ean h ellhnikh pleyra apofasisei telika, se sxesh me ta bhmata poy exei kanei h Toyrkia pros ayth thn kateyqynsh.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei ep` aytoy. Den prokeitai na pw tipota allo.

XIDIROGLOY: Exoyme dhmosieymata kai plhrofories gia lehlasies xristianikwn orqodojwn ekklhsiwn poy ypagontai sthn Arxiepiskoph Albanias, sto albaniko edafos. Ayto to fainomeno einai synexomeno. Qymosaste kai ta kroysmata poy eixame dyo-treis mhnes, katadikes boreiohpeirwtwn, kacimo stayrwn, epiqeseis se kataskhnwseis ths Arxiepiskophs Albanias. H ellhnikh kybernhsh prwton, einai enhmerh, parakoloyqei ta fainomena ayta; Kai deyteron, exei probei stis katallhles energeies kai exei zhthsei ejhghseis apo thn albanikh kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

TSIODRAS: Sxetika me to agrotiko, exete pei oti den qa doqoyn epidothseis apo ton kratiko proypologismo.

ANTWNAROS: Den qa doqoyn eqnikes epidothseis.

TSIODRAS: Syzhta h kybernhsh kapoion allon tropo na doqei oikonomikh enisxysh stoys agrotes h na ikanopoihqoyn kapoia apo ta aithmata toys;

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite;

TSIODRAS: Ennow, ayth thn plhroforia poy kykloforei oti mesw ths Agrotikhs Trapezas piqano na doqoyn ypo morfh daneiwn kapoia xrhmata.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na doqoyn atoka daneia.

TSIODRAS: Alloi tropoi oikonomikhs enisxyshs;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h xqesinh kai proxqesinh qesh poy diatypwsame o k. Roysopoylos ki egw se ayth thn aiqoysa. Den yparxei qema eqnikwn epidothsewn gia toys logoys poy sas ejhghsame. Qa synexistoyn oi diaboyleyseis poy ginontai edw kai polles hmeres. Gia ayrio, opws einai gnwsto, problepetai synanthsh toy Ypoyrgoy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai Trofimwn k. Mpasiakoy me toys agrotes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me poion tropo protiqetai h kybernhsh na apotrecei endexomena mploka kai kleisimo twn eqnikwn odwn kai pws protiqetai na kateynasei ta pneymata stis tajeis twn dikwn ths syndikalistwn, alla kai pws na aposyrei toys dikoys ths boyleytes, oi opoioi protiqetai na aneboyn sta trakter.

ANTWNAROS: Me to dialogo poy kanei h kybernhsh me oloys toys agrotes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se periptwsh mplokwn, ti qa kanei h kybernhsh; Qa steilei ta MAT;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh brisketai se dialogo me toys agrotes. Ayta poy qetete einai ypoqetika qemata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kai me toys boyleytes, oi opoioi protiqetai na aneboyn sta trakter, ti qa kanei;

ANTWNAROS: Se ypoqetikes erwthseis den prokeitai na sas apanthsw.

SIDERHS: H k. Zeta Makrh, dikhn qhlykoy Marinoy Antypa, eipe oti qa anebei sta trakter.

ANTWNAROS: Den qa hqela na ginontai apajiwtikoi xarakthrismoi gia kanena politiko proswpo se ayth edw thn aiqoysa. Qa sas parakaloysa, gia allh mia fora, na apodidete me akribeia oloklhrh th dhlwsh poy ekane h boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias, sthn opoia anaferqhkate, alla kai tis dhlwseis allwn boyleytwn, oxi mono ths N.D., alla kai twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Hdh, o Grammateas ths N.D., xqes, se dhlwseis toy, eipe oti den einai dynato na blepei twra stelexh ths N.D. poy exoyn sthrijei tis kybernhtikes epiloges se parelqonta xrono na prwtostatoyn stis agrotikes kinhtopoihseis. Kai anaferotan se boyleytes kai syndikalistes ths N.D. Kai egw se aytoys anaferoyme, den milw gia alla proswpa.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti ayth th stigmh diejagetai enas dialogos me toys ekproswpoys toy agrotikoy kosmoy, o opoios kai synexizetai.

PALAIOLOGOS: O Grammateas ths N.D., dhladh, exei adiko se ayta poy leei;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Meimarakhs ekfrazei tis apoceis toy. Epeidh parakoloyqhsa tis topoqethseis toy, xqes sthn thleorash, qa hqela na mhn

ton adikeite se ayth thn aiqoysa kai na apodidete me akribeia osa leei. Oi dhlwseis toy htan ekteneis, leptomereiakes, me diaforopoihseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Eipate oti oi eqnikes epidothseis stoys agrotes den dinontai. Atoka daneia den dinontai. Ryqmish xrewn den ginetai. Poio einai to antikeimeno toy dialogoy; Mhpws einai apla prosxhmatikos, mexri o k. Meimarakhs na mazecei toys syndikalistes;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws oi agrotes gia na proserxontai se dialogo exoyn logo. Afhste na proxwrhsei o dialogos.

GKOYTZANHS: Einai mystiko to antikeimeno toy dialogoy; Egw sas metefera apo tis dhlwseis twn syndikalistwn, ti zhtoyn. Dhladh, eqnikhs epidothseis, ryqmish xrewn, atoka daneia k.t.l.

ANTWNAROS: Ryqmish xrewn, opws gnwrizete, exei kanei h kybernhsh, apo to kalokairi, me ta panwtokia. Einai mia megalh kai poly gennaiodwrh ryqmish twn ypoxrewsewn, tis opoies mexri tote eixan oi agrotes. Kai ayto anagnwrizetai kai apo ton agrotiko kosmo.

GKOYTZANHS: Kamia antirrhsh. Egw sas eipa poia einai ta aithmata poy bazoyn oi agrotes. Kai lew oti, ean h kybernhsh den syzhta panw se ayta, tote@

ANTWNAROS: Den qa rwthsete emena gia ta aithmata twn agrotwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Rwtw, poio einai to antikeimeno toy dialogoy poy kanei me toys agrotes.

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete na ginei h synanthsh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eseis poia aithmata skopeyete na kanete apodekta;

ANTWNAROS: Ta aithmata ypoballontai sto trapezi, ginontai syzhthseis kai ep` aytoy, h katalhgei kaneis h den katalhgei. Den prokeitai egw na prokatalabw to dialogo, o opoios qa ginei metajy toy agrotikoy kosmoy kai toy Ypoyrgoy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, ayrio.

SOYGLERHS: Akoysa ton Boyleyth k. Xarh Kastanidh, sto radiofwno toy SKAI, na leei gia to qema toy basikoy metoxoy oti einai apisteyta ashmanto kai oti prepei oloi na asxolhqoyme me thn ektetamenh diafqora kai oxi me th diaplokh poy afora pente kanalarxes. Einai etsi; Symfwnei h kybernhsh me ayth thn topoqethsh;

ANTWNAROS: To nomosxedio gia to legomeno basiko metoxo, opws gnwrizete, syzhteitai aytes tis hmeres sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs kai katopin qa syzhthqei sthn Olomeleia. Den prokeitai na ypeiselqw se tipota poy exei sxesh me to basiko metoxo.

SARANTAKOS: Th Deytera egine mia synanthsh, gia thn opoia oi dhmosiografoi enhmerwqhkan ek twn ysterwn, periergws, metajy toy Ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai toy Genikoy Dieyqynth Nomikwn Ypoqesewn toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs. Amesws meta, enhmerwqhkame apo to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Dioikhshs, epishmws, oti o Eyrwpaios ajiwmatoyxos synexarh ton Ypoyrgo gia thn prwtoboylia toy gia to basiko metoxo kai toy eipe oti den exei kamia apolytws enstash me to nomosxedio poy brisketai sth Boylh, opws eipate. Xqes, o idios Eyrwpaios ajiwmatoyxos, se epishmes kai dhmosies dhlwseis toy, eipe oti den syzhthqhkan leptomereies gia to nomosxedio, egine mia genikh syzhthsh kai h Epitroph qa kanei tis parathrhseis ths se ligo diasthma. Qelw na rwthsw katarxas thn kybernhsh, ti apo ta dyo isxyei: An isxyei ayto poy eipe to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Dioikhshs, o k. Paylopoylos dhladh h an den leei olh thn alhqeia o Eyrwpaios ajiwmatoyxos;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn oi dhlwseis poy ekane o k. Paylopoylos kai katopin h topoqethsh poy ekane se ayth thn aiqoysa o k. Roysopoylos.

SARANTAKOS: Ara, diaceydei h kybernhsh tis dhlwseis toy k. Gki Nte Bel.

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes, to reportaz leei oti o k. Karamanlhs eipe stoys Ypoyrgoys ``exoyme mia kalh kybernhsh''. Alhqeyei; Kai an alhqeyei, mhpws exete thn aisqhsh oti ekane xioymor;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe me dyo-treis koybentes thn aplh alhqeia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eipate oti oi syndikalistes exoyn tis apoceis toys. To qema einai oti epi monimoy basews oi syndikalistes qetoyn sto stoxastro sygkekrimenoys Ypoyrgoys. Mporeite na moy peite gia poio logo h toylaxiston basei poiwn krithriwn oi syndikalistes exoyn to dikaiwma na epitiqentai me barytatoys xarakthrismoys kata kybernhtikwn stelexwn apo th stigmh poy ta stelexh, opws lete, kanoyn prajh tis epiloges toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai egw na ermhneysw th stash ths DAKE h allwn syndikalistwn.

XIDIROGLOY: H kybernhsh sthrizei tis prospaqeies toy Grammatea ths N.D. toy k. Meimarakh na ``eklogikeysei'' ta aithmata kai genika th symperifora kapoiwn syndikalistwn;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Meimarakhs exei ena sygkekrimeno rolo. Einai Grammateas toy kommatos ths N.D. kai kineitai sta plaisia aytoy toy roloy.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, telika poios exei to syntonismo ths kybernhtikhs politikhs pros ta media ton teleytaio kairo, sthn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sto qema ayto exei dwsei ekteneis apanthseis epaneilhmmenws o k. Roysopoylos, ton perasmeno xrono. H apanthsh toy ejakoloyqei na isxyei.

SOYGLERHS: Allaje kati thn kainoyria xronia, giati aytes tis meres@

ANTWNAROS: Epanabebaiwqhke ayto to opoio isxye.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eipate oti o k. Meimarakhs einai Grammateas toy kommatos, an den kanw laqos, oti aytos einai o rolos toy. Dhladh, o rolos toy einai na ``mazeyei'' tis antidraseis poy kata kairoys dhmioyrgoyntai;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na orioqethsw egw to rolo poy exei o Grammateas symfwna me to Katastatiko. Parakalw na anatrejete, na to diabasete. Einai dhmosio keimeno kai mporeite poly eykola na diapistwsete poia einai h apostolh toy.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, milwntas xqes sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio eipe oti h ependysh sthn paideia kai ton politismo einai kentrikoi ajones ths kybernhshs kai ths politikhs ths. Omws, thn idia stigmh, me egkyklio toy Yfypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn Petroy Doyka, perikoptontai apo 35-50% oi epixorhghseis twn dapanwn se AEI, TEI, oi dapanes gia th foithtikh merimna kai alles dapanes. Mhpws yparxei ena qema diglwssias h ena stoixeio empaigmoy;

ANTWNAROS: Prin apo merikoys mhnes sas eixa apanthsei, an den kanw laqos, se paremferes erwthma. Den exw proxeirh ayth th stigmh thn apanthsh. Na anatrejw, na rwthsw ton k. Doyka kai na sas apanthsw. H Paideia einai para poly shmantikh ependysh gia to mellon ths xwras. Allwste, mhn jexnate oti egine prosfata me prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy syzhthsh ektos hmerhsias diatajews sth Boylh gia qemata Paideias. Se para polloys tomeis diapistwqhke sygklish apocewn. Opws gnwrizete, yparxei sygkekrimenh desmeysh, entos twn epomenwn mhnwn na katablhqei mia enisxymenh prospaqeia, wste na anabaqmisoyme thn poiothta ths prosferomenhs paideias, na dwsoyme perissoteres dynatothtes sta nea paidia se oles tis baqmides ths ekpaideyshs, prokeimenoy oi neoi kai oi nees na apokomisoyn oso ginetai perissotera efodia, sto plaisio twn dynatothtwn poy exei to ellhniko kratos. Exei analhfqei, loipon, mia desmeysh wste stoys epomenoys mhnes, na prospaqhsoyme oloi mazi na broyme mia koinh synistamenh kai na kanoyme prajh tis proqeseis mas.

KAKALHS: H anabaqmish ayth pernaei mesa apo thn perikoph twn dapanwn gia thn paideia; Kai thn idia th stigmh na dinontai ej oloklhroy oi dapanes gia to NATO;

ANTWNAROS: Den perikoptontai. Perikoptontai orismenes dapanes. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw ayrio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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