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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 10 Ianoyarioy 2005

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xronia polla, kalh xronia me ygeia, oikogeneiakh eytyxia kai epaggelmatikh proodo se oles kai oloys.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy:

Shmera, stis 6.30 to apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei, sto Megaro Majimoy, synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs k. Prokoph Paylopoylo.

Ayrio, stis 11 to prwi, qa synedriasei to prwto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio ths neas xronias, me qema tis proteraiothtes ths kybernhshs gia to neo etos. Meta to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio qa synedriasei to KYSEA, gia kriseis kai epilogh twn Arxhgwn twn Genikwn Epiteleiwn, opws orizei o nomos. Yparxei ena xroniko periqwrio ews tis 16 Ianoyarioy poy prepei na synelqei to KYSEA. Stis 16 Febroyarioy oi neoi Arxhgoi qa analaboyn ta kaqhkonta toys. Stis 7 to apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy, me to Grammatea toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias Baggelh Meimarakh.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10.30 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos, sto plaisio twn synanthsewn toy me thn politikh hgesia kaqe ypoyrgeioy gia thn orioqethsh twn stoxwn kai twn drasewn pros antimetwpish twn problhmatwn ths kaqhmerinothtas toy polith, qa exei synergasia me thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias. Thn Paraskeyh, stis 9.30 to prwi, qa exei synergasia me thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: H dhlwsh peri ``tsampoykadwn'' toy k. Meimarakh afora melh ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den protiqemai na sxoliasw mia dhlwsh poy feretai na ekane o Grammateas toy kommatos.

GKOYTZANHS: Yparxoyn ``tsampoykades'' sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada kai to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa hdh.

GKOYTZANHS: Den sas zhthsa sto sxolio, sas rwthsa an yparxoyn.

SIDERHS: Exw treis erwthseis: Qa anebeite ki eseis sta trakter mazi me thn k. Zeta Makrh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H deyterh erwthsh sas;

SIDERHS: Ma, den moy apanthsate. H deyterh einai: Ektima h kybernhsh oti h politikh poy askoyse tosa xronia ston Agrotiko Tomea ths egine mpoymerangk; Giati, shmera akoysa ton k. Soyrla na leei ston k. Mpoyta mazi hmastan sta mploka ta prohgoymena xronia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na jekinhsw apo to teleytaio poy eipate kai na epishmanw oti h Nea Dhmokratia, ws Antipoliteysh, oydepote milhse gia eqnikes enisxyseis h gia plhrwmh olwn twn posothtwn bambakos h opoioydhpote alloy proiontos. An anazhthsete sto arxeio sas, qa deite oti einai apolytws akribes. H apagoreysh twn eqnikwn enisxysewn isxyei, logw toy antagwnismoy, se oles tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai h kybernhsh den protiqetai na paranomhsei. Sxetika me tis kinhtopoihseis twn agrotwn stis opoies anaferqhkate, qa sas ypenqymisw tis dhlwseis poy eixe kanei o nyn Prwqypoyrgos, ws Arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, milwntas kai se agrotes sta mploka: Eixe pei oti sebomaste apolytws toys agwnes toys, akoyme ta aithmata toys, alla eimaste antiqetoi me energeies poy dhmioyrgoyn problhmata se alloys polites. Aytes einai epanalambanomenes, se polles periptwseis, dhlwseis toy Kwnstantinoy Karamanlh.

SIDERHS: Bebaia, den yphrje epishmh tetoia topoqethsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, alla ta stelexh sas alla elegan sta mploka. Alla as to jeperasoyme.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, na mhn to jeperasoyme. Sas epanelaba thn epishmh qesh ths Neas Dhmokratias otan htan sthn Antipoliteysh, qesh poy paramenei kai shmera h idia.

SIDERHS: Exw mia dhlwsh toy k. Papadhmoylh, o opoios se sxetikh erwthsh ston armodio Epitropo ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, xarakthrizei ws mh symbath me to Koinotiko Dikaio to nomo gia ton epanapatrismo kefalaiwn. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei krish apo ta armodia organa an einai h oxi symbato. Emeis qewroyme oti einai symbato. Allwste, qelw na sas qymisw oti se antistoixh energeia eixe probei kai h Italia, prin apo molis liga xronia.

SIDERHS: Nai, alla proseblhqh enwpion toy Eyrwpaikoy Dikasthrioy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, h apofash den akyrwqhke.

XONDROS: O k. Kaklamanhs dhlwnei oti qa yparjoyn allages sto nomosxedio gia to basiko metoxo kata th syzhthsh sth Boylh. O Koinotikos Epitropos leei oti qa prepei na yparjoyn kapoies allages, oytws wste na einai symbato to nomosxedio me to Koinotiko Dikaio. H apoch toy synarmodioy ypoyrgoy poia einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh milhsei polles fores gi` ayto to qema. Oi dhlwseis stis opoies anafereste den eginan akribws etsi. Exw mprosta moy th dhlwsh toy k. Dhma, o opoios den leei poyqena oti qa yparjoyn allages h oti prepei na yparjoyn allages. O Koinotikos Epitropos milhse gia qemeliwdeis diatajeis ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, h gia ejaireseis apo aytes tis qemeliwdeis diatajeis. Eipe to aytonohto, oti dhladh prepei to nomosxedio na einai symbato me to Koinotiko Dikaio, kati to opoio h kybernhsh exei yposthrijei oti hdh isxyei.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, telika h kybernhsh me toys agrotes den mporei na ta brei; Dhladh, yparxei xasma anamesa sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh me toys agrotes, synolika, exei hdh para poly kalh synergasia. Exoyn apodwsei, se poly megalo baqmo, oi kybernhtikes energeies. Na sas qymisw tis epidothseis, oi opoies ayjhqhkan kai diathrhqhkan gia poly megalo xroniko diasthma me energeies poy eginan, hdh apo to kalokairi. Na sas qymisw, epishs, oti eidika sto qema toy bambakioy eginan para polles synennohseis me polloys ekproswpoys agrotwn, syllogoys. Oi 32 enwseis agrotikwn synetairismwn bambakoparagwgwn olhs ths xwras symfwnhsan. Epishs eginan synennohseis me tis 4 koryfaies agrotikes organwseis: thn PASEGES, th SYDASE, th GESASE kai thn Bambakoyrgikh, ejasfalizontas th syntriptikh pleiochfia ths symfwnhs gnwmhs stis apofaseis aytes, oi opoies synadoyn me to Koinotiko Dikaio. Ara, loipon, sto erwthma an h kybernhsh mporei h den mporei na ta brei, sas lew oti hdh h kybernhsh exei kanei para polles energeies, me tis opoies bohqaei toys agrotes. Sas epanalambanw kati poy einai gnwsto tois pasi se ayto ton topo kai idiaitera stis agrotikes enwseis: H kybernhsh efarmozei toys Koinotikoys Kanonismoys, toys opoioys qelw na qymisw eixame epikrinei ws Antipoliteysh otan h prohgoymenh kybernhsh proxwrhse stis ryqmiseis, dioti qa mporoyse na eixe petyxei akomh kalytera apotelesmata apo ayta ta opoia epeteyxqhsan tote. Einai, omws Koinotikoi Kanonismoi poy isxyoyn polla xronia kai qa prepei na thrhqoyn. H kybernhsh den mporei na paranomhsei, opws kamia kybernhsh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, kai na dwsei xrhmata apo eqnikes epidothseis.

IWANNOY: Ti apantate ston k. Soyrla, o opoios ekane dhlwsh, xqes, oti einai dikaia ta aithmata twn agrotwn kai oti mporei na ejoikonomhqoyn ayta ta xrhmata kai na doqoyn kai oti alla proeklogika toys eixame pei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti hdh exw apanthsei kai sta dyo erwthmata sas me thn analytikh anafora poy ekana, legontas kai pali oti oydepote h Nea Dhmokratia eipe ayto to aploysteytiko poy akoygetai twra ``ola ta kila, ola ta lefta''. Ayto den to eipe pote h Nea Dhmokratia. Kai prokalw ton opoiondhpote na moy to pei epishmws, oti h epishmh grammh ths Neas Dhmokratias, ws Antipoliteysh, htan ayth.

IWANNOY: Me toys boyleytes sas poy pairnoyn to meros twn agrotwn yparxei qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Apo th stigmh poy kapoioi boyleytes symmerizontai ta aithmata kai tis kinhtopoihseis twn agrotwn den einai ayqwrei ektos kybernhtikhs grammhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa poia einai h kybernhtikh qesh. H qesh ayth einai se apolyth synafeia me th qesh poy eixe parei h Nea Dhmokratia ws komma Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, tote oi boyleytes ths einai ektos grammhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, proeklogika, eixe desmeyqei oti qa prostateysei to eisodhma twn agrotwn. Alla, kai th xronia poy perase, to eisodhma twn agrotwn synexise na meiwnetai @kai oxi mono twn bambakoparagwgwn, alla kai ejaitias twn timwn twn agrotikwn proiontwn. H kybernhsh den exei parei kanena sygkekrimeno metro, toylaxiston poy na exei antiktypo stoys agrotes. Poy einai h synepeia twn proeklogikwn desmeysewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Molis ekana mia poly analytikh anafora, se qemata poy aforoyn epidothseis. Milhsa gia tis energeies toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs hdh apo to kalokairi, kai to ti epetyxe, yper twn Ellhnwn agrotwn, sth synodo twn armodiwn Ypoyrgwn stis Bryjelles, gia thn taxeia katabolh twn agrotikwn enisxysewn. Ayto einai to deytero qema sto opoio qelw na anaferqw. Doqhkan oi agrotikes enisxyseis, enw xronizan epi ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs. Kai to trito shmeio einai ayto poy poly analytika anefera prohgoymenws, thn pleionothta twn Enwsewn, me tis opoies hrqe se epafh h kybernhsh se dhmosio dialogo, se synennohsh gia to qema toy bambakioy. Par` ola ayta, problhmata yparxoyn kai qa synexisoyn na antimetwpizontai. @Allwste, o logos gia ton opoio ejelegh ayth h kybernhsh einai gia na antimetwpisei ta problhmata.

KAKALHS: Poios einai aytos poy ``poylaei tsampoyka''; Oi agrotes poy diekdikoyn to dikaiwma toys na kalliergoyn th gh gia na parameinoyn ston topo toys, na mhn jeklhristoyn dhladh h o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs poy amfisbhtei ayto to dikaiwma toys, na agwnizontai dhladh kai na diekdikoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw thn erwthsh sas synexeia ayths poy teqhke nwritera. @Hdh exw probei se ena sxolio @ apanthsh.

TSIODRAS: Dyo erwthseis: H prwth, sxetika me toys agrotes: To zhthma, se megalo baqmo, jekinhse apo th syskech, h opoia egine sth Larisa, stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias kai boyleytwn kai syndikalistwn, oi opoioi qa kateboyn kai thn Pempth sthn Aqhna gia na doyn ton k. Mpasiako. H kybernhsh exei labei kapoia metra, prokeimenoy na peisei ta dika ths stelexh oti ayta ta opoia mas lete einai swsta kai exei dikio; H deyterh einai sxetikh me to basiko metoxo: An prokeitai sth diarkeia ths syzhthshs sth Boylh, h kybernhsh na dexqei kapoies allages.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto prwto qema qewrw oti exw hdh apanthsei. Sto deytero, par` oti exw apanthsei sto parelqon, qa epanalabw kai shmera, legontas oti, ean yparjoyn protaseis sthn kateyqynsh ths filosofias poy oloi apodexontai ws mia politikh apofash gia thn patajh ths diaplokhs, protaseis oi opoies einai praktikes kai efarmosimes, bebaiws eimaste anoixtoi na tis akoysoyme kai na tis apodexqoyme.

SPYRAKH: Poio xarakthra qa exei h synanthsh ths Pempths, toy k. Mpasiakoy me to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, toys syndikalistes kai toys boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias sth Qessalia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite ``poio xarakthra'';

SPYRAKH: Qa exei xarakthra kommatikhs synanthshs, synanthshs me foreis; Poio xarakthra qa exei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O armodios Ypoyrgos qa dei orismenes ek twn Enwsewn poy diafwnoyn me ta osa exoyn apofasistei edw kai polla xronia kai panta me bash tis koinotikes ryqmiseis.

SOYGLERHS: Problhmatizoyn thn politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynhs oi mazikes paraithseis epaggelmatiwn oplitwn, opws grafetai kai gnwrizoyme, toso sto Naytiko, oso kai sto Strato jhras; Ti metra prokeitai na parei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa metaferw to erwthma sas sto armodio Ypoyrgeio kai qa yparjei apanthsh apo ekei.

SOYGLERHS: Problhmatizei thn kybernhsh kai skeftetai na epanaferei, opws grafetai kai legetai, ton k. Nasiako, prwhn Arxhgo ths ELAS, se ena kainoyrgio team, meta to tromokratiko xtyphma ston eidiko froyro;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa prepei na rwthsw ton k. Boylgarakh. Gnwrizw oti o k. Nasiakos htan enas ajiwmatikos poy prosefere tis yphresies toy kai timhqhke gi` ayto. Htan apo kairo sth skech toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy na symmetasxei kai na bohqhsei me thn empeiria toy se genikotera qemata poy aforoyn to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, oxi eidika sto qema ths tromokratias sto opoio anafereste.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo tis proteraiothtes ths kybernhshs htan kai to skandalo toy Xrhmatisthrioy, opoy exasan ta lefta toys, opws legetai, enamish ekatommyrio mikroependytes. Ejakoloyqei na einai stis proteraiothtes kai pote qa ylopoihqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Paramenei stis proteraiothtes mas. Sas qymizw oti yparxoyn en ejelijei ereynes ths Dikaiosynhs. Qa perimenoyme na oloklhrwqoyn dioti, ean arxisei opoiadhpote allh diadikasia sth Boylh, antilambaneste oti qa pagwsoyn oi ereynes ths Dikaiosynhs. Prepei, loipon, na perimenoyme ta porismata ths Dikaiosynhs kai sth synexeia qa proxwrhsoyme sta epomena bhmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla yparxoyn kai proqesmies poy mporei na paragrafoyn kapoia apo ta adikhmata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To gnwrizw. To prwtisto omws einai na apokalyfqoyn ta stoixeia ekeina poy odhgoyn sta symperasmata ta opoia molis prin apo ligo epanadiatypwsate kai exei anaferei h Nea Dhmokratia kai ws antipoliteysh kai ws kybernhsh. Bebaiws, prohgeitai na afhsoyme th Dikaiosynh na oloklhrwsei aytes tis ereynes kai oxi na tis stamathsoyme. Alliws, qa htan atelesforh h diadikasia.

XIDIROGLOY: Xqes, eixame pali fainomena bias se aqlhtikoys xwroys. Qymamai oti h kybernhsh ej arxhs eixe desmeyqei oti qa kanei o,ti pernaei apo to xeri ths, prokeimenoy na patajei th bia stoys aqlhtikoys xwroys. Xqes, eidame kapoioys na katalyoyn thn eynomoymenh Politeia, toylaxiston se ena mikro xwro. Ti metra protiqetai na labei h kybernhsh, wste apo edw kai pera na mhn epanalhfqoyn ayta ta fainomena;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora sta xqesina epeisodia, yphrje ektenhs anakoinwsh apo to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs. H kybernhsh einai aytonohto oti katadikazei aytoy toy eidoys ta epeisodia. Toy qematos exei hdh epilhfqei kai h Dikaiosynh. Symplhrwmatika, sto erwthma sas qa hqela na shmeiwsw oti h kybernhsh hdh exei prowqhsei edw kai polloys mhnes nomoqetikes ryqmiseis gia thn katapolemhsh ths bias sta ghpeda. Epishs, na prosqesw oti, apo ta prwta metra, exoyme hdh se ena shmantiko baqmo qetika apotelesmata. Wstoso kaloyme oloys toys emplekomenoys foreis na symmetasxoyn energa sth nea ayth prospaqeia poy jekinhse edw kai ligoys mhnes, wste na janaginei to podosfairo ena aqlhma asfales gia toys filaqloys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa epanelqw sto qema twn agrotikwn kinhtopoihsewn: Den qewrei h kybernhsh oti yparxei mia paradojothta sto zhthma twn agrotikwn kinhtopoihsewn, apo th stigmh poy ypoqalpontai apo toys idioys toys syndikalistes ths Neas Dhmokratias; Den einai kapoioy alloy kommatos. O k. Kokkinoylhs einai agrotosynetairisths, o opoios proskeitai sth Nea Dhmokratia kai einai malista kommatiko melos, melos ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs. To gegonos, loipon, oti oi kinhtopoihseis ypoqalpontai apo kommatika stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias, den problhmatizei thn kybernhsh oti kapoioi telika einai ektos grammhs, oti qa prepei, telos pantwn, kapoioi na peiqarxhsoyn me th grammh ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qymamai oti to kalokairi, otan hmastan sto Zappeio, kata th diarkeia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, rwthqhka gia mia ypoqesh aithmatwn syndikalistwn sto Ypoyrgeio Politismoy, poy proskeintai sth Nea Dhmokratia. Apanthsa oti oi syndikalistes eleyqera ekfrazoyn ta aithmata toys. O akhdemoneytos syndikalismos den einai shmaia eykairias, den einai mono logos, einai kai ergo. Mpainontas sthn oysia toy qematos, edwsa shmera plhrh kai analytikh enhmerwsh gia to poia einai ta periqwria poy exei h kybernhsh kai h xwra mas, ws melos ths E.E. Ta periqwria ayta einai poly sygkekrimena. Eipa, dhladh -kai epanalambanw- oti oi eqnikes epidothseis apagoreyontai apo thn E.E. Eipa kai epanalambanw oti h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias exei kanei kaqe ti dynato, se epipedo dialogoy, me th syntriptikh pleiochfia twn Enwsewn, prokeimenoy na wfelhqoyn ta megista oi paragwgoi bambakos. Den mporoyme na paranomhsoyme. Den protiqemeqa na paranomhsoyme.

PALAIOLOGOS: Na epimeinw sthn idia erwthsh: Ginomai akoma pio sygkekrimenos kai lew, ean telika yperboyn kaqe orio nomimothtas oi sygkekrimenoi syndikalistes ths Neas Dhmokratias, qa yparjoyn peiqarxikes kyrwseis, qa yparjoyn kapoioy eidoys metra, pera apo tis opoies synennohseis einai atelesfores mexri twra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipota perissotero.

GKOYTZANHS: Oi agrotes exoyn proeidopoihsei oti qa kleisoyn kai ta Temph an den apatwmai stis 20 Ianoyarioy. Pws antimetwpizei h kybernhsh ayto to endexomeno;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa ti isxyei shmera sth xwra mas, kai ti sthn E.E.. Sas eipa me safhneia poies einai oi qeseis ths kybernhshs. Den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero.

GALIATSATOS: Qa epitrecete dhladh stoys agrotes na kocoyn thn Ellada sta dyo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas epanalabw ayto poy eipa kai prohgoymenws. Exw hdh apanthsei oti o Kwstas Karamanlhs kai ws arxhgos ths antipoliteyshs dhlwse epaneilhmmenws oti sebomaste ta aithmata olwn twn ergazomenwn kai twn agrotwn. Milhse me agrotes sta mploka kai toys eipe oti diafwnei me tetoies diadikasies. Ayth th qesh eixe h N.D. kai ws antipoliteysh, otan qa ``boleye'' na eixe mia allh qesh. Alla phre mia poly sygkekrimenh kai safh qesh s` ayto to qema thn opoia den exei allajei oyte shmera. Otan loipon ws antipoliteysh eixame pei me eykrineia thn apoch mas gi` ayto to qema -apoch poy mporei na mhn arese endexomenws- den blepw to logo giati shmera prepei na thn allajoyme.

MPOTSARAKOS: Epeidh me th dhlwqeisa paragwgh ap` oti diapistwnetai yparxoyn sobara problhmata, opws yparxoyn kai sobara problhmata me tis epidothseis, oi agrotes poy einai apo pisw fainetai oti ta eisodhmata toys den arkoyn. Oi agrotes poy einai mprosta exoyn kai alles diekdikhseis pera apo to na hghqoyn sto syndikalistiko kinhma. H kybernhsh exei thn proqesh kai pote na anakoinwsei ti exei ginei ta teleytaia xronia me tis epidothseis kai tis dhlwqeises paragwges; Qa parapemcei ypoqeseis ston eisaggelea gia na jekaqarisei ``h ira apo to stari'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Hdh, opws qa plhroforhqeite apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio, fetos eginan 38.683 prosqetoi oysiastikoi elegxoi, pollaplasioi dhladh se ariqmo se sxesh me alles xronies. Odhghqhkan se perikopes kai kyrwseis symfwna me toys kanonismoys kai tis isxyoyses diatajeis. Epishs mporw na sas dwsw ena epipleon stoixeio: Fetos para thn yperparagwgh bambakos, opws kai pollwn allwn proiontwn, ejasfalizontai oi perissoteres koinotikes enisxyseis apo kaqe allh fora, apo thn isxy toy kanonismoy ycoys 690 ekatommyria eyrw. Dhladh to 2000 eixame 545 ekatommyria eyrw, to 2001, 571 ekatommyria eyrw, to 2002, 655 ekatommyria eyrw kai to 2003, 620 ekatommyria eyrw. Fetos ejasfalisthkan enisxyseis 690 ekatommyriwn eyrw. To de pososto gia to opoio milame, dhladh oi enwseis oi opoies exoyn ayth thn periodo diatypwsei tis dikes toys antidraseis kai einai sth dhmosiothta, einai poly mikro se sxesh me to synolo twn agrotwn poy asxoloyntai me to sygkekrimeno proion. Einai poly mikres oi feromenes ws adiaqetes posothtes twn 40.000 tonwn enanti twn katanemhqeiswn posothtwn toy 1.132.000 tonwn. Prokeitai molis gia 3,7%. Gi` ayto ginetai olh h syzhthsh me poly sygkekrimenes enwseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Poy apodidei h kybernhsh politika thn anataraxh poy yparxei sto Qessaliko kampo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws kaqenas exei to dikaiwma na zhthsei ayto poy qewrei oti prepei. Alla se kamia periptwsh den prepei na jexname oti h xwra ypokeitai se sygkekrimenoys kanonismoys, oi opoioi oristhkan se syskech twn Ypoyrgwn Gewrgias prin apo polla xronia stis Bryjeles. Tote eixame epikrinei thn kybernhsh toy PASOK giati den piese na parei megalytero pososto se sxesh me thn Ispania, gia paradeigma, kai alles koinotikes xwres. Ofeiloyme omws oloi na sebastoyme aytoys toys nomoys. Den mporei h kybernhsh na paranomhsei. Einai aporias ajio pws otan apo tis 36 enwseis oi 32 symfwnoyn - kai se dhmosio dialogo poy exei ginei me thn kybernhsh - enw yparxoyn tesseris poy diafwnoyn. Antilambanomai oti qeloyn na paroyn perissotera. Ayto loipon to opoio leei h kybernhsh einai oti kai na hqele na dwsei perissotera, apagoreyetai apo tis eqnikes enisxyseis. Kai ws antipoliteysh ayto legame poy leme kai twra. Den leme kati diaforetiko.

SIDERHS: Htan eykrineis oi qeseis sas gia thn katalhch twn dromwn@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai eykrinestates oi qeseis mas gia to qema twn epidothsewn kai twn enisxysewn.

SIDERHS: Den einai omws eykrinhs h endexomenh antidrash ths kybernhshs sthn periptwsh poy katalhfqei o dromos. Qa to epitrecete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporei na kataskeyazontai eidhseis me to ``ean''. Omws, den paragetai politikh me to ``ean''.

SIDERHS: Einai dedhlwmenh proqesh. Den einai ean.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sto qema toy basikoy metoxoy steilate apanthtikh epistolh sthn epistolh poy eixate labei apo thn Komision stis 17 Dekembrioy, h opoia ejefraze enstaseis sxetika me tis diatajeis toy basikoy metoxoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na sas diorqwsw: Prwton, den ejefraze epifylajeis sxetika me tis diatajeis toy basikoy metoxoy. Ejefraze epifylajeis sxetika me to arqro 14 toy Syntagmatos. Deyteron, ejefraze epifylajeis sxetika me to nomo 3021/2002 toy PASOK. Triton, ejefraze th diaqesh ths Komision na synergastei se periptwsh poy yparjei pio aysthro nomoqetiko plaisio, opws h N.D. eixe desmeyqei na kanei. Kai telos, den exei stalei akoma h epistolh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Pote;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei sygkekrimenh diadikasia. Entos twn prosexwn hmerwn.

GALIATSATOS: Qa hqela ena sxolio, epeidh exete th genikh epikoinwnia ths kybernhshs. Shmera, egine mia synanthsh metajy toy Ypoyrgoy k. Prokoph Paylopoyloy kai toy Genikoy Dieyqynth twn nomikwn ypoqesewn toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs k. Gki Nte Bel. H synanthsh ayth den anakoinwqhke kai apla, meta th synanthsh, oi politikoi syntaktes brhkan ena mhnyma sta e-mail toys, oti o k. Gki Nte Bel ypogrammise oti epikrotei tis prospaqeies poy kataballei h Ellada gia diafaneia sto xwro twn MME. Pws krinete ayth th meqodo epikoinwnias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa htan endiaferon na apanthsw sto erwthma, ean eixe apokrybei teleiws mia tetoia synanthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, alla ek twn ysterwn. Opote ayto moiazei me xeiragwghsh ths enhmerwshs, ean den mporoyn oi dhmosiografoi na elegjoyn, ontws, th synanthsh kai ti eipe o k. Genikos Grammateas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi kai xeiragwghsh ths enhmerwshs, eidika ayth h kybernhsh!

GKOYTZANHS: Den eipame gia thn kybernhsh genikws, eipame gia to sygkekrimeno peristatiko.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eidikws ayth h kybernhsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Aisqanetai anasfalhs h kybernhsh kai zhtei th syndromh twn nomikwn yphresiwn toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias; Giati, ean den kanw laqos, ean kapoios prosfygei sta Eyrwpaika Dikasthria fqanei sto dikasthrio twn Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn. Den nomizw oti h prosfygh qa ginei sto Symboylio ths Eyrwphs. Ara, loipon, mhpws aisqanetai anasfalhs h kybernhsh kai zhtei th syndromh @estw- twn nomikwn yphresiwn toy StE, enos organoy poy den dikaioytai na apofainetai gi@ ayta ta zhthmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean parakoloyqhsa kala th syllogistikh sas, ofeilw na shmeiwsw oti den yparxei kanenos eidoys aithma gia syndromh apo to StE.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, milw gia tis nomikes yphresies. Dhladh, me th bohqeia ths nomikhs yposthrijhs. Poios o logos na apotaqei o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn kai h kybernhsh, se ena organo to opoio epi ths oysias einai anarmodio ws pros zhthmata antagwnistikothtas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den apotaqhke h kybernhsh. O Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn eixe mia synanthsh kai meta apo ayth ekrine skopimo na enhmerwsei gia kapoies apo tis syzhthseis poy eginan, aytes tis hmeres.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, alla to Symboylio ths Eyrwphs, omws, den einai to pleon armodio, qa legame. Einai to Eyrwdikasthrio twn Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei, hdh, treis fores gia to qema. Ti allo na pw;

GKOYTZANHS: Exoyme mia mhnythria anafora aytes tis hmeres toy kapoioy prwtocalth toy Mesologgioy, enantion ths k. Domnas Samioy, gia mia ekpomph h opoia eixe apokriatika tragoydia, egw qa to elega tragoydia poy deixnoyn thn politistikh klhronomia aytoy toy topoy kai einai makraiwnh, h opoia paixthke sthn ET-3. Kai eixame meta kai mia epistolh toy k. Xristodoyloy, thn opoia den qa sxoliasete bebaiws, alla to qema einai yparkto kai afora kai esas, ws Proistamenoy gia thn ekpomph ths ET-3, alla kai ton Prwqypoyrgo me thn idiothta toy Ypoyrgoy Politismoy. Edw moiazei san na einai ypo diwjh h politistikh mas klhronomia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Osoi laoi den sebasthkan thn politistikh toys klhronomia kai thn makra paradosh, den makrohmereysan. O laos mas akribws epeidh exei sebastei kai thn istorikh kai thn politistikh toy klhronomia, alla kai thn makra paradosh toy -me hqh kai eqima ta opoia tima h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn- makrohmereyse. Qa synexisei na parakoloyqei kai na symmetexei, ana thn Ellada, se tetoioy eidoys eqima.

TRIGKAS: Sxetika me ta epeisodia, qa efarmostei o nomos, ton opoio exei chfisei hdh h kybernhsh, sthn periptwsh ayth; Giati kanate mia ekklhsh stoys paragontes kai ekei balate mia teleia. Qa efarmostei o nomos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti hdh exei arxisei na efarmozetai. Eipa oti exoyme hdh ta prwta apotelesmata, otan gia paradeigma gnwrizoyn pleon oi PAE poy akribws diatiqentai ta eisithria. Siga-siga qa gnwrizoyme -opws ginetai kai se alles koinwnikes ekdhlwseis- kai th qesh poy katalambanei o kaqenas sto xwro, gia na sebastei kai th qesh toy, na sebastei kai toys synanqrwpoys toy kai toys filaqloys, oi opoioi parakoloyqoyn mazi toy toys agwnes. Elpizoyme oti ola ayta ta metra qa synexisoyn na apodidoyn. Yphrjan kai alloi agwnes xqes, kai alla ntermpi, sta opoia den eixame epeisodia. Antiqetws, diejhxqhsan poly kala.

Sas eyxaristw.

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