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Aqhna, 7 Oktwbrioy 2004

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio, sto Megaro Majimoy, qa exei diadoxikes synergasies: stis 11.30 me ton yfypoyrgo Aqlhtismoy Giwrgo Orfano kai stis 12.15 me ton yfypoyrgo Politismoy Petro Tatoylh kai me to Geniko Grammatea toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy Xrhsto Zaxopoylo.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Telika yparxoyn ``ntabatzhdes'' sthn politikh zwh toy topoy h allws pws katesthmena symferonta podhgetoyn kai ejoysiazoyn thn politikh kai oikonomikh zwh toy topoy; Anaferomai stis dhlwseis h sto pneyma kai thn oysia twn prwqypoyrgikwn dhlwsewn, xqes, kata th diarkeia toy geymatos poy pareqese stoys boyleytes toy G` Qerinoy Tmhmatos ths Boylhs.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos den xrhsimopoiei tetoioy eidoys fraseologia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Yparxoyn, wstoso, katesthmena symferonta poy podhgetoyn kai ejoysiazoyn thn politikh zwh toy topoy;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den einai diateqeimenh na anexqei th diaplokh.

IWANNOY: Mhpws, prepei o Prwqypoyrgos na katonomasei ayta ta kentra diaplokhs;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai qema proswpwn. Einai qema thrhshs twn qesmwn, to sebasmo twn opoiwn h kybernhsh qewrei ycisth proteraiothta. Gia to qema ayto h kybernhsh qa prajei o,ti prepei, wste na throyntai kai na ginontai sebastoi oi qesmoi.

BLAXOS: Poios den threi toys qesmoys, parakalw;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh opws eipa kai prohgoymenws qa kanei o,ti prepei, wste na katapolemhsei th diaplokh kai na ejasfalisei th diafaneia. Pros ayth thn kateyqynsh kineitai me sygkekrimena bhmata. Opws, gnwrizete, kathrghse, hdh, ton maqhmatiko typo kai mexri to telos toy xronoy qa kataqesei sth Boylh to nomosxedio gia to basiko metoxo.

BLAXOS: Poioi einai, loipon, aytoi poy den throyn ola ayta; Onoma den exoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Allh erwthsh.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na qesw dyo erwthseis: Prwton, lete oti einai qema thrhshs twn qesmwn poy shmainei oti yparxoyn kapoies ejwqesmikes leitoyrgies, oi opoies sthn oysia einai paranomes h paratypes. Qa qelame na jeroyme poies einai aytes. Deyteron, an stis pente syntexnies poy anaferqhkan sthn epimaxh frash einai kai h DAKE;

ANTWNAROS: Sxetika me to prwto erwthma sas, epanalambanw oti o Prwqypoyrgos den xrhsimopoiei tetoioy eidoys fraseologia. Oson afora to deytero, h kybernhsh qa kanei o,ti prepei, prokeimenoy oi qesmoi na ginontai sebastoi kai an xreiastei qa toys qwrakisoyme me epipleon nomoys.

XONDROS: Ayta ta ejwqesmika kentra, oi syntexnies exoyn mexri stigmhs empodisei thn kybernhsh sthn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn ths;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai diko sas symperasma. H kybernhsh exei proxwrhsei sthn chfish twn nomwn toys opoioys qewrei aparaithtoys kai qa proxwrhsei sthn kataqesh kai allwn nomosxediwn, ta opoia qewrei aparaithta.

SPYRAKH: Epeidh mas eipate oti ayto poy yparxei shmera ston Typo kai poy filojenhqhke xqes stis thleoraseis den aphxei sth fraseologia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qa qelate na mas peite me poion tropo o Prwqypoyrgos stelnei to mhnyma toy opoioy thn politikh oysia kai eseis apodexeste;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalaba thn erwthsh sas.

SPYRAKH: Me poia fraseologia; Poia einai h fraseologia poy xrhsimopoihse xqes o Prwqypoyrgos gia na steilei to mhnyma, toy opoioy thn oysia apodexetai kai h Kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na ypeiselqw sth syzhthsh thn opoia eixe gyrw apo ena trapezi o Prwqypoyrgos me toys boyleytes.

SOYGLERHS: Exete plhroforhsh mhpws o Prwqypoyrgos mexri shmera exei dexqei apo toys ypoyrgoys toy oti dexontai pieseis sto kybernhtiko ergo, epimeroys sta ypoyrgeia toys, apo kapoioys ejwqesmikoys paragontes h qa elega ``baronoys'' ths diaplokhs;

ANTWNAROS: Kanete erwthsh h ekfrazete diapistwsh;

SOYGLERHS: Erwtw mhpws gnwrizete an o Prwqypoyrgos exei, mexri shmera, plhroforhqei apo toys ypoyrgoys toy oti dexontai tetoies parembaseis sto ergo toys, ana ypoyrgeio, se olo ayto to eptamhno diakybernhshs ths xwras apo thn Kybernhsh toy.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qewrei h Kybernhsh oti einai empodio sthn ejygiansh orismenwn megalwn epixeirhsewn kai dhmosiwn Organismwn, DEH-OTE- Olympiakh, oi syndikalistes twn en logw epixeirhsewn; Qewrei oti einai plhgh, opws anefere xqes o Prwqypoyrgos, oti einai ``mia palia megalh plhgh'';

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den exw gnwsh ths syzhthshs kai den prokeitai na ypeiselqw sto periexomeno ayths ths synanthshs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Wraia. Sas rwtw, loipon, an qewrei oti synistoyn empodio@

ANTWNAROS: Me rwtate ean o Prwqypoyrgos qewrei;

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, oxi. Ypoballw mia genikh erwthsh: An h Kybernhsh qewrei toys syndikalistes twn pente megalwn dhmosiwn Organismwn h DEKO ws empodio gia thn ejygiansh kai ton eksygxronismo toys.

ANTWNAROS: To syndikalistiko kinhma einai katoxyrwmeno kinhma kai ekfrazei ena meros ths koinwnias. Exei kaqe dikaiwma na ekproswpei, me ton tropo poy ekeino krinei kaqe fora prosforo, ta symferonta twn ergazomenwn.

TSIODRAS: Afoy eipate oti den exete gnwsh twn syzhthsewn poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos me toys boyleytes poy htan parontes, pws jerete, loipon, an xrhsimopoihse th sygkekrimenh frash;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den prokeitai na ypeiselqw sth syzhthsh poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos me toys boyleytes toy.

IWANNOY: Toys boyleytes poy meteferan ayth th frash toys diaceydete; Eipan cemata; Exete mia sygkekrimenh apanthsh gi@ ayto to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den prokeitai na ypeiselqw sth syzhthsh poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos me toys boyleytes toy.

BLAXOS: Qelw na rwthsw dyo pragmata: H Kybernhsh exei nwph th laikh entolh. Qa hqela, loipon, na moy peite, eji mhnes meta th nikh ths N.D. stis ekloges, ti einai ayto poy fobizei thn Kybernhsh kai den proxwra sthn anakoinwsh onomatwn poy qewrei oti den akoloyqoyn toys qesmikoys kanones; Kai to deytero, ean h Nea Dhmokratia skeptetai na kanei anakriseis kai na proxwrhsei se peiqarxika metra enantion twn boyleytwn poy, opws lete eseis, edwsan sth dhmosiothta frash poy den xrhsimopoihse o k. Karamanlhs. An einai hqikhs tajews qema gia thn paramonh toys h oxi sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa oti edwse kapoios kati se kapoion. Eipa pws den qa ypeiselqw sth syzhthsh thn opoia eixe o Prwqypoyrgos xqes me toys boyleytes toys opoioys eixe kalesei. Oson afora to prwto erwthma sas: h Kybernhsh den empodizetai apo kanenan, den aisqanetai fobo mprosta se kanenan kai proxwra apofasistika sthn ylopoihsh toy programmatos ths, me bash toys ajones poy periegraca prohgoymenws.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean einai stis proqeseis ths Kybernhshs na anoijei to Asfalistiko, ws to telos ths tetraetias.

ANTWNAROS: Exw pei epaneilhmmenws oti den yparxei qema Asfalistikoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Efoson h Kybernhsh qelei toso poly na antimetwpisei ta fainomena diafqoras, giati kaqysterei toso poly na ferei to nomosxedio; Qymizw oti einai hdh epta mhnes Kybernhsh kai lete oti mporei na paei mexri to telos toy xronoy. Ennea mhnes dhladh, endexomenws, gia na kanei mia tetoia ryqmish. Kai efoson einai Kybernhsh kai mporei na nomoqethsei, gia poio logo na dhmioyrgei politiko zhthma gyrw ap@ ayto, anti na to antimetwpizei;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, h kybernhsh den dhmioyrgei kanena politiko zhthma. Deyteron, apo thn arxh eixame pei oti to nomosxedio ayto qa katateqei sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn mexri to telos toy xronoy. H proqesmia ayth qa thrhqei. Opws antilambaneste, prokeitai gia ena synqeto qema, to opoio proypoqetei polles diaboyleyseis. Einai polyploko nomiko zhthma kai apaiteitai xronos, wste na proetoimastei me ton tropo poy toy armozei.

GKOYTZANHS: Oi diaboyleyseis kai oi syzhthseis ginontai kai me ekeinoys toys opoioys afora, toys emplekomenoys;

ANTWNAROS: Syzhthseis ginontai me ola ta endiaferomena merh. Einai fysiko h Kybernhsh na dialegetai. H Kybernhsh den dialegetai me ton eayton ths. Dialegetai me thn koinwnia.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh h Nea Dhmokratia, prin apo enamish xrono, eixe kataqesei mia plhrws epejergasmenh protash nomoy gia to basiko metoxo, thn exei etoimh dhladh, giati den thn fernei ayth thn protash ws exei na chfistei; Den yparxei kanena problhma, fantazomai, ektos kai an exoyn allajei oi ryqmiseis.

ANTWNAROS: Kontos calmos allhloyia. Perimenete na deite.

XIDIROGLOY: Epeidh ferate ws paradeigma to maqhmatiko typo, dhladh h diaplokh pisteyete oti estiazetai sta dhmosia erga h einai kai se alloys tomeis ths dhmosias kai koinwnikhs leitoyrgias genikotera;

ANTWNAROS: Anefera thn katarghsh toy maqhmatikoy typoy ws ena mono paradeigma gia to dromo poy akoloyqei h Kybernhsh pros th diasfalish ths diafaneias. Kai sas eipa oti akoloyqei h kataqesh toy nomosxedioy gia to basiko metoxo. Endexomenws na yparjoyn kai alles ryqmiseis.

XIDIROGLOY: Se poioys alloys tomeis, omws, pisteyei h Kybernhsh oti yparxei problhma, oson afora th diaplokh;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa ypeiselqw se tetoies leptomereies.

GKOYTZANHS: H Kybernhsh qewrei oti yparxei asymbibasto se enan epixeirhmatia na energopoieitai se MME kai se dhmosia erga, gia paradeigma; Einai dhladh asymbibasto epixeirhmatikhs drashs;

ANTWNAROS: As analysoyme ton oro ``diaplokh'' kai nomizw oti qa katalhjoyme se ena asfales symperasma.

SARANTAKOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti oyte th frash ``syntexnies'' xrhsimopoihse xqes o Prwqypoyrgos h mono gia th lejh ``ntabatzhdes'';

ANTWNAROS: Den qa ypeiselqw sto periexomeno ths syzhthshs poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos me toys boyleytes.

SARANTAKOS: Entassei h kybernhsh se ayto to problhma kai toys syndikalistes ths EL.AS, oi opoioi den paresthsan xqes sthn teleth paradoshs kai paralabhs metajy toy tews kai toy nyn Arxhgoy ths EL.AS.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eipate oti to qema ths diafaneias, einai qema thrhshs qesmwn kai kanonwn, poy qa prepei na ginoyn sebastoi apo oloys. Se periptwsh poy den ginoyn, h kybernhsh qa prosfygei sth laikh etymhgoria; Ean, dhladh, den ginei katorqwth h proqesh ths na ferei thn ejygiansh sto dhmosio bio, qa prosfygei sth laikh etymhgoria;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs na katafygei se prowres ekloges.

BLAXOS: Exete xrhsimopoihsei mexri twra, toylaxiston, eikosipente fores ths lejh ``diafaneia''. Sas parakalw na thrhsete ki eseis th diafaneia kai na mas peite me diafano tropo ti eipe o k. Karamanlhs stoys boyleytes. O k. Karamanlhs einai Prwqypoyrgos, oi boyleytes einai boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos kai o ellhnikos laos qelei me diafano tropo na maqei ti eipe o Prwqypoyrgos stoys boyleytes.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw oti eprokeito gia mia anepishmh, filikh synanthsh apo aytes poy synhqizei na exei o Prwqypoyrgos me toys boyleytes, stis opoies opws gnwrizete, den throyntai praktika.

BLAXOS: Tote giati thn anakoinwnete sthn politikh enhmerwsh, afoy den einai epishmh kai kanoyme tosh wra syzhthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas anakoinwsame thn pragmatopoihsh ths synanthshs. Opws gnwrizete den anakoinwnetai panta to periexomeno twn synanthsewn poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos.

BLAXOS: O Prwqypoyrgos syndialegetai me toys boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos, poy mazi oloi kybernoyn th xwra kai lete oti den einai epishmh synanthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den htan dhmosia epishmh synanthsh. Ayto sas lew.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate gia ton basiko metoxo. To nomosxedio qa to ferete prin doqoyn oi thleoptikes adeies h meta;

ANTWNAROS: To nomosxedio qa katateqei mexri to telos toy xronoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi adeies qa exoyn doqei pio prin;

ANTWNAROS: To nomosxedio qa katateqei mexri to telos toy xronoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Yparxei proqesh ths kybernhshs h sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma gia thn idiwtikopoihsh ths Olympiakhs kai toy OTE; Den ypeiserxomai sta ths xqesinhs syzhthshs, lew ean yparxei xronodiagramma kai malista enos etoys, apo thn pleyra toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Etsi opws to qetete den yparxei sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma.

PALAIOLOGOS: Milw gia O.A., OTE kai endexomenws DEH.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhladh, den prokeitai na ferei h kybernhsh thn ejygiansh se aytoys toys dyo megaloys Organismoys;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei xronodiagramma gia idiwtikopoihseis kai malista me sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma enos etoys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia thn ejygiansh;

ANTWNAROS: Prospaqeies ejygianshs ginontai synexws.

BLAXOS: Gnwrizete mhpws to antikeimeno ths xqesinhs synanthshs toy k. Alogoskoyfh me ton k. Liaph, gia thn Olympiakh Aeroporia;

ANTWNAROS: Na apeyqynqeite stoys Ypoyrgoys poy anaferate.

GKOYTZANHS: Xqes, o Yfypoyrgos Apasxolhshs k. Aggelopoylos se dhlwseis poy ekane eipe oti yparxei problhma sth xrhmatodothsh ths diadikasias enopoihshs twn asfalistikwn tameiwn. O nomos Reppa, bazei ena xroniko plaisio mexri to 2007. Symfwnei h kybernhsh oti den yparxoyn ta xrhmata gia na synexistei h diadikasia kai ti qa kanei gia na to antimetwpisei;

ANTWNAROS: Ean me rwtate emmesws ean yparxei qema asfalistikoy, apantw oti den yparxei. Asfalws, qa breqoyn oi poroi. Sas diabebaiwnoyme oti oi Ellhnes polites qa paroyn kanonika tis syntajeis kai tis alles apolabes poy dikaioyntai na exoyn apo ta asfalistika tameia toys. Me pio sfikth diaxeirish sta dhmosiooikonomika qa breqoyn oi poroi. Qa meiwqoyn oi dapanes se alloys tomeis kai ean yparxoyn problhmata -sthn ektash poy perigracate den exoyn allwste diapistwqei- qa antimetwpistoyn.

GKOYTZANHS: H erwthsh moy htan diaforetikh kai htan se sxesh me to programma sas, to opoio anaferei oti den qa peirajei h kybernhsh ta oria syntajiodothshs, tis asfalistikes eisfores kai thn trimerh xrhmatodothsh, wstoso, yparxoyn alla zhthmata poy aptontai toy asfalistikoy kai ta opoia qa antimetwpisete. Poia einai ayta kai pote, ayto rwtw;

ANTWNAROS: Otan emfanistoyn tetoia zhthmata sthn epikairothta, asfalws qa to maqete.

SPYRAKH: Exete ypoch sas kapoies diapistwseis anhsyxias syndikalistwn toy IKA poy lene oti to tameio mporei na mhn exei th dynatothta na plhrwsei, logw elleimmatos, to dwro twn Xristoygennwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den yfistatai tetoio qema.

LEONTITSH: Einai stis skeceis ths kybernhshs h idiwtikopoihsh twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn; Anaferomai sygkekrimena se dhmosieymata poy lene oti h kybernhsh skeftetai ek neoy to qema, na paradwsei tis astikes sygkoinwnies stoys idiwtes, opws eixe ginei to 1992.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tetoia skech. Ginetai syzhthsh na paraxwrhqei endexomenws ena kommati twn topikwn sygkoinwniakwn grammwn stoys Dhmoys, alla h syzhthsh einai akomh se prwimo stadio.

XIDIROGLOY: Ereynes poy blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas, deixnoyn oti oi Ellhnes polites den exoyn empistosynh stoys politikoys. Skeftetai h kybernhsh na parei kapoia prwtoboylia, me dedomena kai ayta poy eginan xqes, gia thn ejygiansh toy politikoy bioy. Einai h katapolemhsh ths diaplokhs mesa se ayto to plaisio; Anaferomai sta qemata poy milame edw. Peri ``ntabatzhdwn'' k.l.p.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw oti o Prwqypoyrgos den xrhsimopoiei tetoioy eidoys fraseologia. Synepws, den briskw to logo na to sxoliasoyme peraiterw.

XIDIROGLOY: Den skopeyei h kybernhsh na parei kapoies prwtoboylies;

ANTWNAROS: O tropos me ton opoio askei thn ejoysia h shmerinh kybernhsh symballei apofasistika sto na peisei toys Ellhnes polites, oti oi politikoi diaxeirizontai me ypeyqynothta ta koina kai oi polites mporoyn na toys exoyn apolyth empistosynh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Pote protiqetai h kybernhsh na kataqesei epishma thn protash ths gia thn ypochfiothta se sxesh me thn proedrikh eklogh, dhladh, to onoma toy ypochfioy.

ANTWNAROS: Einai prowro na kanoyme opoiadhpote syzhthsh gia thn eklogh Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

XIDIROGLOY: Se poio xronodiagramma;

ANTWNAROS: Einai prowro na kanoyme opoiadhpote syzhthsh gia thn eklogh Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

Sas eyxaristw.

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