Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-10-06

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Aqhna, 6 Septembrioy 2004

TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Karamanlhs qa episkefqei th Mosxa ton prosexh Dekembrio. H anwterw episkech qa apotelesei shmantiko staqmo sthn istoria twn dimerwn sxesewn twn dyo xwrwn kai qa episfragisei to aristo klima poy epikratei metajy toys. H akribhs hmeromhnia ths episkechs qa anakoinwqei prosexws.

O Prwqypoyrgos shmera, stis 13.45, qa paraqesei geyma stoys boyleytes toy G@ Qerinoy Tmhmatos ths Boylhs. Stis 18.00, qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy, me thn Omospondia Naytergatwn.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton k. Miltiadh Ebert.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Stis 14 Septembrioy o k. Roysopoylos sto briefing eixe pei, se sxesh me thn ypoqesh SINOYK, oti qa doqei olo to xronologio, gia na jerei o ellhnikos laos lepto pros lepto ti egine. Stis 17/9, epishs, eixe pei oti qa doqoyn dyo porismata, ena gia tis synqhkes toy dystyxhmatos kai ena gia to ti egine sxetika me thn enhmerwsh. Eixe pei oti kai ta dyo qa doqoyn sth dhmosiothta. Xqes, eipate oti den qa doqei sth dhmosiothta. Ti allaje apo tote mexri twra; Epishs, epeidh xqes milhsate gia proswpika dedomena, apo pote oi prajeis, oi paraleiceis kai oi piqanes paratypies organwn ths dioikhshs apoteloyn eyaisqhta proswpika dedomena;

ANTWNAROS: Entos ths hmeras, qa yparjei sxetikh anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas. Sthn anakoinwsh gia to deytero porisma, poy exei hdh paradoqei sthn politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy, qa perilambanontai ola ekeina ta stoixeia poy einai pragmatika peristatika kai synepws aparaithta wste h koinh gnwmh na gnwrizei ti akribws synebh. Apo thn allh pleyra, qa lhfqei h pronoia poy apaiteitai, wste na ginoyn apolyta sebasta ta proswpika dedomena. Ws pros toyto, isxyei o,ti eipa xqes: To plhres keimeno toy porismatos den qa doqei sth dhmosiothta.

POYLIDOY: Qa doqei epilektikws;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Qa ekdoqei anakoinwsh, h opoia qa periexei ola ta pragmatika stoixeia, alla yparxoyn, opws antilambaneste, epifylajeis gia orismena proswpika dedomena, ta opoia den qa ta dhmosiopoihsoyme. Den nomizw oti yparxei kaneis poy na qelei na parabiastoyn kanones kai arxes basei twn opoiwn leitoyrgei h Dhmokratia.

GKOYTZANHS: Nomizw oti einai mia praktikh ths dioikhshs na dhmosiopoioyntai ta porismata@

ANTWNAROS: An htan praktikh sto parelqon kai htan antiqeth me toys nomoys, den qa synexistei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Dhladh, oyte to deytero porisma qa doqei sth dhmosiothta;

ANTWNAROS: Ta stoixeia toy porismatos, ta opoia einai aparaithta gia thn enhmerwsh ths koinhs gnwmhs, qa doqoyn sth dhmosiothta. Oxi to porisma, san keimeno ayto kaqayto.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eixe rwthqei o k. Roysopoylos gia dyo pragmata: Prwton, an qa doqoyn sth dhmosiothta oi katalogoi twn thlefwnikwn klhsewn apo ta kinhta thlefwna olwn twn emplekomenwn forewn se ayth thn istoria kai arxhs genomenhs apo ton ypodioikhth toy Agioy Oroys. Kai eixe pei oti qa doqoyn o katalogos gia ta kinhta thlefwna kai to xronologio@

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete na deite thn anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Einai gnwsta. Exw thn anakoinwsh toy k. Roysopoyloy poy erwtatai an se sxesh me to SINOYK dhmosieyqoyn oi katalogoi twn thlefwnikwn klhsewn apo ta kinhta thlefwna, olwn twn emplekomenwn forewn. Kai o k. Roysopoylos apanta oti qa (den akoygetai) to porisma poy afora thn kaqysterhsh enhmerwshs, o,ti stoixeia krinoyn aytes oi epitropes, oti bohqoyn sth dialeykansh qa perilhfqoyn sto fakelo kai sth synexeia qa doqoyn sth dhmosiothta. Kai rwtaw: Qa doqoyn sth dhmosiothta@;

ANTWNAROS: Sas epanalambanw: Perimenete na deite thn anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas.

TSIODRAS: Milhsate gia proswpika dedomena. Otan prokeitai gia prajeis ths dioikhshs den nomizw oti exei na kanei me proswpika dedomena. Proswpika dedomena exoyn na kanoyn me thn idiwtikh zwh. Otan exoyn na kanoyn me th dhmosia leitoyrgia einai prajeis tis opoies, nomizw@

ANTWNAROS: Osoi asxolhqhkan me ayto to qema fronoyn oti yparxoyn stoixeia ta opoia aggizoyn ta proswpika dedomena. Ayta ta stoixeia den prokeitai na doqoyn sth dhmosiothta.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Xqes, ekproswpos ths Eurostat ektimhse oti h prohgoymenh kybernhsh eixe orqotero tropo ypologismoy stis amyntikes dapanes, paroti h shmerinh kybernhsh. Ayto, opws katalabainete, allazei ta dedomena sta osa yposthrize mexri twra o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai akribws etsi h dhlwsh thn opoia epikaleiste. Gia mas ena pragma einai safes kai pera apo kaqe amfisbhthsh: H Kybernhsh ekane to kaqhkon ths, apotypwnontas thn pragmatikh katastash ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Pisteyei oti kinhqhke pros th swsth kateyqynsh. Epishs, h Eurostat ta teleytaia dyo xronia eixe topoqethqei epaneilhmmenws epikritika, me dhmosies dhlwseis ths, kata twn oikonomikwn stoixeiwn poy eixe ypoballei h prohgoymenh kybernhsh.

POYLIDOY: To qema poy prokyptei apo th dhlwsh toy Genikoy Dieyqynth ths ``Eurostat'' einai oti ayth th stigmh, akyrwnei ton isxyrismo ths ellhnikh kybernhshs, peri parapoihmenwn kai ceydwn stoixeiwn. Dioti, dhlwnei oti o idios den ta gnwrize, oti yphrxe mia diaforetikh statistikh meqodologia, antistoixh ths opoias eixe akoloyqhqei kai apo thn Ollandia kai oti kata th gnwmh toy ws epikefalhs ths armodias yphresias, ayth h meqodologia htan ``h prwth epilogh''. Ti apantate;

ANTWNAROS: Pisteyoyme oti o dromos poy akoloyqhsame gia thn apografh einai apolytws swstos.

POYLIDOY: Fantazomai oti den epimenate sthn prwth sas apoch oti htan ceydh kai parapoihmena ta stoixeia.

ANTWNAROS: Ta stoixeia etsi opws paroysiasthkan, den edinan thn pragmatikh eikona twn elleimmatwn ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

XIDIROGLOY: Exei zhthsei o Arxiepiskopos na dei ton Prwqypoyrgo; Kai ean exei zhthqei giati den exei oristikopoihqei akoma h synanthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tetoio aithma.

SIDERHS: Fainetai oti oi galazioi syndikalistes ezhlwsan th doja twn palaiwn prasinofroyrwn. Exoyme galazioys syndikalistes na systhnoyn ston Prwqypoyrgo, poioys qa apolysei kai poioys qa krathsei sto Ypoyrgeio Politismoy. Exoyme galazioys syndikalistes, dikhn politikoy epitropoy, na milane opws milane gia ton k. Boyrloymh. Me thn anakoinwsh toys jeperasan th syndikalistikh glwssa. Twra exoyme galazioys syndikalistes sta Swmata Asfaleias, oi opoioi qeloyn na exoyn apoch gia to poios qa einai o neos Arxhgos. Ayto qa trabhjei makria; Den nomizete oti exoyn yperbei ta eskammena;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh lambanei tis apofaseis ths me gnwmona to eqniko symferon kai krinei aytoys poy topoqetei se qeseis, analoga me ta prosonta kai tis ikanothtes toys.

SOYGLERHS: Mhpws prepei h kybernhsh na ypenqymisei sto Dieyqynonta Symboylo toy OTE k. Boyrloymh oti exei apofasisei na mhn allajei ton asfalistiko nomo, giati o k. Boyrloymhs bgainei kai mila gia eqeloysia ejodo 6.000 ergazomenwn ston OTE kai parallhla arsh ths monimothtas twn ypallhlwn;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Boyrloymhs syzhta me ta endiaferomena merh, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei sthn ejygiansh toy OTE kai sth dhmioyrgia twn kanonwn poy qa epitrecoyn s@ ayto to megalo Organismo na leitoyrghsei me akomh kalytera apotelesmata stis sygxrones synqhkes poy diamorfwnontai. As perimenoyme na doyme poia qa einai telika ta apotelesmata aytwn twn diaboyleysewn poy briskontai se plhrh ejelijh.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa proxwrhsei h eqeloysia ejodos; Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Morfes eqeloysias ejodoy exoyn efarmostei se polles periptwseis sto parelqon. Qa hqela na sas ypenqymisw thn periptwsh ths ERT.

GKOYTZANHS: Mporeite na mas peite ean o OTE einai sta proqyra xreokopias;

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw oti o OTE einai sta proqyra xreokopias.

GKOYTZANHS: Kati tetoio anaferetai se epistolh toy k. Boyrloymh.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai ayth h diapistwsh poy kanei o k. Boyrloymhs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Meletatai to endexomeno eqeloysias ejodoy, akoma kai sthn periptwsh ths DEH; Kai to lew me aformh th xqesinh synanthsh poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Proedro kai Dieyqynonta Symboylo ths DEH k. Palaiokrassa.

ANTWNAROS: Den proekyce kati tetoio, oyte apo th synanthsh, oyte apo tis dhlwseis poy ekane o k. Palaiokrassas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den eipe kati sygkekrimeno.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokyptei kati tetoio.

KAKALHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, pws symbadizei to anepifylakto ``nai'' ths kybernhshs me to gegonos oti yparxei se isxy to casus belli ths toyrkikhs Eqnosyneleyshs sthn periptwsh poy h Ellada kanei xrhsh toy nomimoy dikaiwmatos gia thn epektash twn xwrikwn miliwn apo 6 sta 12 naytika milia.

ANTWNAROS: Opws jerete, to sygkekrimeno qema den htan proypoqesh, gia na proxwrhsei h entajiakh diadikasia ths Toyrkias.

KAKALHS: Giati den to qesate; Den htan proypoqesh, alla giati den to qesate;

ANTWNAROS: Kamia ellhnikh kybernhsh den to eqese ws proypoqesh.

KAKALHS: Twra mporei na teqei, mexri to Dekembrh;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa.

KOYIN: Mporeite na mas enhmerwsete an prokeitai h Kybernhsh na bgalei opoiadhpote anakoinwsh h kapoia dhlwsh shmera, sxetika me thn apofash;

ANTWNAROS: Molis gnwstopoihqei h protash ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs qa yparjei topoqethsh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs.

KOYIN: O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn leipei. Brisketai kaq@ odon gia to@

ANTWNAROS: H Kybernhsh qa topoqethqei.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Symfwna me dhmosieyma efhmeridas, fainetai oti oi kataggelies toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy gia to Empraer einai ston aera, kaqws h kataskeyastria etairia fainetai oti dhlwnei pws den eixe eidopoihqei pote.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw dhmosieymata toy Typoy.

MPOILE: H olomeleia ths Boylhs chfise xqes to epidoma enoikioy gia toys boyleytes ths perifereias. Symfwnei h Kybernhsh me thn chfish aytwn twn epidomatwn;

ANTWNAROS: H Boylh einai ena kyriarxo organo to opoio apofasizei aytonoma gia qemata poy aforoyn thn idia kai toys boyleytes. Qa hqela na apeyqynqeite gia to sygkekrimeno qema s@ aythn. H enhmerwsh thn opoia exw, einai oti ayto to mhniaio epidoma antikaqista to poso poy epairnan mexri twra oi proerxomenoi apo thn eparxia boyleytes kaqhmerina ws epidoma, prokeimenoy na ejasfalizoyn th diamonh toys se ena dwmatio jenodoxeioy gia tis meres poy briskontan sthn Aqhna. Den einai ena epipleon epidoma. Einai ena epidoma to opoio antikaqista th ryqmish poy yphrxe mexri twra.

TSIODRAS: Politika krinontas apo thn apanthsh poy edwse o genikos dieyqynths ths Eurostat fainetai oti qa mporoysame na eixame apofygei to sygkekrimeno systhma me to opoio metrhsame kai na exoyme metrhsei me bash to prohgoymeno to opoio ginetai apodekto apo thn E.E., pantote me bash th dhlwsh toy k. Ampele. Krinontas politika, loipon, mhpws htan laqos telika h istoria ths apografhs; Mhpws dhmioyrghse, dhladh, mia laqos eikona ths Elladas sthn Eyrwph, xwris kanena apolytws kerdos para mono me zhmia;

ANTWNAROS: Ekana dhlwsh ep@ aytoy prin apo liga lepta, h opoia ejakoloyqei na isxyei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep@ aytoy: Epimenete sthn apoch ws Kybernhsh oti epi kybernhshs PASOK ginontan ``mageiremata'' me th Eurostat kai en gnwsei ths Eurostat;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti paroysiazontan oikonomika stoixeia, me tropo diaforetiko ap@ ayto ton opoio emeis pisteyoyme oti eprepe na paroysiastoyn. Kai ayth h paroysiash den apedide thn pragmatikh eikona ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Ejakoloyqoyme na pisteyoyme oti h paroysiash thn opoia kanoyme emeis @ayto poy leme apla apografh- antapokrinetai perissotero sthn pragmatikothta kai dinei kalyterh eikona ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, alla egw rwtw an htan apo proqesh ``mageirema''. Dhladh, ean ayto to pragma poy paroysiaze ws eikona ths ellhnikhs oikonomias h prohgoymenh kybernhsh@

ANTWNAROS: Den qa analysw thn cyxologia anqrwpwn, oi opoioi kata to parelqon kybernhsan th xwra.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to problhma einai oti mono eseis ejakoloyqeite na to lete ayto, dioti jenes yphresies lene pws o,ti egine, kalws egine kai eimaste enhmeroi. H Eyrwpaikh Kentrikh Trapeza leei oti kai ``emeis hmastan enhmeroi''.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai h dikh sas apoch.

POYLIDOY: Ma, den einai dikh moy. Einai ta logia twn anqrwpwn poy miloyn gi@ ayto to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Egw sas paroysiazw thn apoch ths Kybernhshs.

XIDIROGLOY: Alhqeyoyn oi plhrofories oti h N.D. exei problhma stis sxeseis ths me ta alla kentrodejia kommata ths Eyrwphs, akomh kai mesa sto plaisio ths leitoyrgias toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos, logw ths emmonhs, opws ekeinoi yposthrizoyn, gia thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw ti qelete na peite. Emmonh dikh mas se ti;

XIDIROGLOY: Oti yparxoyn enstaseis gia ton tropo me ton opoion h ellhnikh kybernhsh prowqei h sthrizei, an qelete, thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias.

ANTWNAROS: Den exoyn fqasei sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh tetoies enstaseis.

XIDIROGLOY: Dhladh, den yparxoyn epikriseis gia th stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxoyn tetoies enstaseis. An anafereste sth Nea Dhmokratia, sas parakalw na apeyqynqeite ekei.

KOYIN: Mporw na symperanw ap@ o,ti exete pei mexri twra, oti h stash ths Elladas einai akoma anepifylakta ``nai'';

ANTWNAROS: H Ellada yposthrizei thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias.

TSIODRAS: Sto prosfiles qema twn hmerwn, sxetika me tis prowres ekloges kai thn proedrologia, o k. Kaklamanhs exei zhthsei na analhfqoyn prwtoboylies egkaira, wste na mh sernetai to qema toys ypoloipoys mhnes. Kai alla stelexh ths Kybernhshs pisteyoyn oti to qema qa prepei na lhjei prowra. Ayto poy einai na ginei ton Ianoyario, na ginei nwritera, wste na jekaqaristei to qema twn prowrwn eklogwn. Parallhla, to reportaz leei oti o Prwqypoyrgos stis synanthseis poy exei me stelexh ths N.D. kai me ypoyrgoys den kleinei teleiws to qema twn eklogwn. Afhnei, dhladh, ena paraqyro anoixto. Mporeite na mas peite an sth skech ths Kybernhshs einai na kleisei nwris to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h dhlwsh thn opoia exoyme kanei epaneilhmmenws toso o k. Roysopoylos, oso kai egw: Einai poly prowro na mpoyme se syzhthsh gia thn proedrikh eklogh. Qema prowrwn eklogwn tis opoies na prokalesei h Kybernhsh, den yparxei.

Eyxaristw poly.

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