Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-04-25

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Aprilioy 2002

ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

ARGYROS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na rwthsw an exete kapoio sxolio gia th dhlwsh Flwrakh

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimai sigoyros oti o k. Flwrakhs gnwrizei oti "ta sterna timoyn ta prwta". Ektos an gnwrizei gia kapoies symfwnies toy kommatos toy poy aforoyn tis dhmotikes ekloges kai oi opoies mexri twra den mas einai gnwstes.

KAPPOS: O k. Flwrakhs, ektos twn allwn, anaferqhke se pagides kai dilhmmata poy qetei to PASOK, bazontas apo th mia pleyra th Dejia kai apo thn allh tis proodeytikes dynameis. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa, hdh, sto qema.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Akoysa tesseris boyleytes toy PASOK metajy aytwn kai ton koinoboyleytiko ekproswpo toy Kinhmatos, na lene oti me thn politikh ths h kybernhsh fernei sthn ejoysia th N.D.. Qa hqela na jerw an yparxei kapoia mystikh symfwnia toy k. Flwroy Kwnstantinoy me th Rhgillhs h nomizete oti ton ebale o Xarilaos Flwrakhs na pei ayta ta pragmata.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exete kalyfqei apo thn prwth apanthsh moy.

KONTOPOYLOS: O k. Flwrakhs ekane kai enan ypainigmo gia th xrhsimopoihsh toy politikoy fainomenoy Lepen apo to PASOK sthn Ellada. Dhladh, pws to PASOK epixeirei na to ajiopoihsei. H kybernhsh pisteyei oti yparxoyn analoga fainomena Lepen sthn Ellada kai pws ayta ajiopoioyntai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mexri stigmhs, eytyxws, den fainetai na yparxei kati tetoio. O skopos einai na mhn yparjei kai sto mellon. Gi` ayto oles oi politikes dynameis prepei na prosexoyn mia seira qematwn. Ena apo ayta einai na apofeygoyme -kai milw gia oloys- praktikes, topoqethseis kai politikes, oi opoies kalliergoyn thn isopedwsh twn pantwn, thn apajiwsh kai th fqora twn qesmwn, thn yponomeysh ths politikhs h thn eikona mias dhqen gkrizas kai katestrammenhs Elladas. Logikes poy, opws exw tonisei, dhmioyrgoyn to ideologiko ypostrwma gia na anqisoyn akrodejies politikes. Epeidh, loipon, eidame kai kapoies metrhseis anhsyxhtikes ston tomea ayto, pisteyw oti prepei ola ta politika kommata na analaboyn tis eyqynes toys kai na kanoyme topoqethseis dhmioyrgika kai me ton tropo poy prepei.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh parathrw oti apo xqes to brady to PASOK, alla kai eseis, ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos, para to gegonos oti isxyrizeste pws h politikh epistrefei sto proskhnio, xrhsimopoieite ena logopaignio gia na dhmioyrghsete politiko qema kai na diamorfwsete politikh propaganda. Mporeite na moy peite an ayto synteinei sthn anabaqmish ths politikhs zwhs kai toy politikoy logoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi politikoi exoyme maqei na analambanoyme tis eyqynes twn legomenwn mas. Otan leme kati, ayto exei politikh shmasia kai prepei meta na yfistameqa thn kritikh gia ta legomena mas h gia tis prajeis mas ean yparxoyn.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Synexizete na pisteyete oti to epipedo ths parapolitikhs qa einai ayto poy qa kaqorizei ta politika pragmata sth xwra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean einai monon parapolitikh, shmainei oti den yparxei qema. An, omws, yparxoyn kapoies symfwnies, tis opoies gnwrizei o k. Flwrakhs, poy aforoyn tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges kai den tis exoyme plhroforhqei akomh, tote yparxei ena sobaro politiko zhthma.

KAPPOS: Epeidh anafereste gia pollosth fora shmera se dhmoskophseis, tis opoies syndeete me tis dejamenes chfoforwn twn kommatwn, pisteyete oti tyxon fainomena "Lepenismoy" h en pash periptwsei kosmos poy proskeitai se aytes tis apoceis, proerxetai oysiastika apo kommata h apo koinwnikes dejamenes stis opoies den exei epidrasei ayto gia to opoio epaireste eseis ws epityxhmenh kybernhtikh politikh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den kathgorhsa kommata. Milhsa gia praktikes, gia logikes, gia symperifores, oi opoies anaptyxqhkan teleytaia.

KAPPOS: Shmera oxi, palaiotera omws nai. Sygkekrimena prin apo treis hmeres.

PRWTOPAPAS: Na diabazete kalytera ayta poy lew.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Xqes, o k. Flwrakhs eipe oti, kata thn apoch toy, o epomenos Prwqypoyrgos qa einai o k. Karamanlhs kai malista 100%. Eseis, shmera syndeete ayto to qema me tis dhmotikes ekloges kai me kapoies ypotiqemenes symfwnies. Omws, exoyme akoysei polles fores kai apo esas kai apo alla stelexh ths kybernhshs, oti oi dhmotikes ekloges oyte dhmochfisma einai gia thn kybernhsh, oyte krinetai h kybernhsh. Giati ginetai ayth h syndesh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Fainetai oti den exoyme oloi thn idia apoch.

MPOTWNHS: Ektos apo thn problech toy k. Flwrakh, pisteyei h kybernhsh oti o idios h genikotera o,ti ekproswpei, epiqymei na epanelqei to peribohto ` 89;

PRWTOPAPAS: H apanthsh moy htan plhrhs kai ep` aytoy.

PITTARAS: Qa hqela prwta ena politiko sxolio gia ta stoixeia poy aforoyn tis parabiaseis toyrkikwn aeroskafwn poy kata to prwto trimhno toy 2002 exoyn ayjhqei kata 426%, meta kai tis kinhseis Papandreoy-Tzem.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epaneilhmmena exw anaferqei se aytes. Einai safes oti dokimazomaste oloi. Ejisoy safes einai oti h dieqnhs koinothta exei antilhfqei to dikaio twn ellhnikwn qesewn. H toyrkikh adiallajia dhmioyrgei adiejoda gia thn idia thn Toyrkia kai thn poreia poy diakhryssei oti qelei na akoloyqhsei pros thn E.E. Orismenes fores xrhsimopoioyntai kapoies tetoies kinhseis, opws einai oi parabaseis kai oi parabiaseis, ws ena deytereyon zhthma, prokeimenoy isws na fygei h prosoxh apo ta prwteyonta qemata poy sxetizontai me to Kypriako h kai me th genikoterh poreia twn eqnikwn qematwn sta opoia h Toyrkia, ayth th stigmh, einai mallon se dysxerh qesh. Emeis qa synexisoyme na exoyme thn prosoxh mas strammenh sta prwteyonta qemata, xwris ayto na shmainei oti den kanoyme th doyleia mas se ola anejairetws ta qemata.

MPOTWNHS: Me aformh thn episkech Papandreoy-Tzem sth M. Anatolh, xqes to brady, symfwna me plhrofories, sth synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, melh toy poy exoyn kai thn idiothta toy ypoyrgoy, ejefrasan antirrhseis kai skeptikismo, giati o k. Papandreoy pragmatopoihse ayto to tajidi, xwris na exei prohgoymenws thn egkrish kapoioy organoy toy kommatos. H ejwterikh politikh askeitai mesw twn organwn toy kommatos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Zhtate apo mena, ayth th stigmh, na sxoliasw diarroes. Den einai dynato na sxoliazw diarroes.

KACIWTHS: Hqela na rwthsw, poso problhmatizei thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti koinoboyleytika orismena nomosxedia den mporei na ta sthrijei sto baqmo poy qa hqele, opws gia paradeigma to nomosxedio gia ta olympiaka akinhta poy chfisthke, me 15 apoysies boyleytwn toy PASOK kai htan eytyxhma poy eleipan epta boyleytes apo th N.D. kai tesseris apo to KKE. Malista, legetai oti yphrje enas "cilopanikos" shmera sth Boylh gia na mporesei na kleisei ayto to qema. Antimetwpizei h kybernhsh tetoioy eidoys senaria kapoiwn "koinoboyleytikwn prajikophmatwn" apo kapoia stelexh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me th logikh sas qa eprepe na anhsyxei kai h N.D. giati eleipan epta boyleytes. Panta leipoyn kapoioi boyleytes apo tis chfofories. Kai oso pio megalo einai ena komma, toso diatrexei, ek twn pragmatwn, ton kindyno ayto, gia antikeimenikoys kaqara logoys. Ekeino poy exei shmasia einai to apotelesma. To nomosxedio chfisthke kai to kybernhtiko ergo proxwrei. Den xreiazetai na sxoliasw kati allo. Apo ekei kai pera, ta ypoloipa aforoyn th leitoyrgia toy Koinoboylioy.

KACIWTHS: Eiqistai, omws, se aytes tis periptwseis twn apoysiwn na enhmerwnoyn to Proedreio ths Boylhs gi` aytes tis apoysies. Se ayth thn periptwsh, den synebh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti ola ta ypoloipa, apo th stigmh poy perase to nomosxedio apo thn kybernhtikh pleiochfia, aforoyn zhthmata ths leitoyrgias toy Koinoboylioy, ta opoia den exw kanena logo na sxoliazw egw.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na rwthsw, ean ektos apo problhma ths leitoyrgias toy Koinoboylioy...

PRWTOPAPAS: Anaferqhka se apoysies boyleytwn poy aforoysan ola ta kommata, opws eidate.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na rwthsw ean h sygkekrimenh eikona poy emfanizei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada sas tis teleytaies hmeres, synista problhma leitoyrgias ths.

PRWTOPAPAS: H ektimhsh mas gia thn poreia ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK, den einai qema ayths ths syzhthshs. H Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK, pantws qa mporoysa na pw oti exei epibebaiwsei se oles tis wres th sthrijh ths kai sthn poreia toy Kinhmatos kai sto kybernhtiko ergo. Apodeijh oti kai shmera to nomosxedio chfisthke apo thn Olomeleia toy Koinoboylioy. Den yparxei qema. Bebaiws, to Koinoboylio exei tis dikes toy diadikasies. Oi boyleytes den einai siwphra proswpa. Kapoies stigmes diatypwnoyn apoceis, enstaseis, kritikes, protaseis. Giati oxi; Aytos einai o rolos toy boyleyth. Den ajiologw oti yparxei, toylaxiston meizon, qema sthn K.O. toy PASOK.

PITTARAS: Shmera h efhmerida ``ANEJARTHTOS'' dhmosieyei mia ekqesh , mias mh kybernhtikhs organwshs poy afora sthn ellhnikh meionothta ths Albanias. Qelw na rwthsw prwtistws ean ayth h sygkekrimenh mh kybernhtikh organwsh xrhmatodoteitai apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Deyteron, ean h hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn ensternizetai apoceis, opws aytes perigrafontai sthn ekqesh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Ekqeseis, opws gnwrizete, bgainoyn syxna apo diaforoys foreis. Den shmainei pws ensternizomaste osa grafoyn oi ekqeseis. Gia to deytero qema, gnwrizete oti oi xrhmatodothseis, otan ginontai, aforoyn panta sygkekrimena programmata kai ginontai gia sygkekrimenoys logoys. Den ginontai genikws kai aoristws. Exoyn na kanoyn me thn anasygkrothsh twn Balkaniwn h alla tetoia meizona qemata. Gia to logo ayto, gi ayto to eidiko qema, qa rwthsw kai qa enhmerwqeite.

KAPPOS: Sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti, toylaxiston xqes egine gnwsto, pws albaniko komma, to opoio diateinetai oti exei sxeseis me antartikes dynameis sthn PGDM, qetei qema allaghs synorwn sta Balkania kai zhta kapoio ellhniko edafos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti, kata kairoys, diatypwnontai kapoies tetoies apoceis. Qelw, omws, na qymisw oti einai prosfath h diaskech Koryfhs poy egine sta Tirana, sthn opoia meteixan oles oi xwres ths Notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs, opoy epibebaiwqhke h staqerh emmonh mas sthn eirhnh, th filia, th synergasia kai to sebasmo twn synorwn. Ayto to tonizw. Epibebaiwqhke apo oles anejairetws tis xwres.

KAPPOS: Epeidh prohgoymenws egine logos arketa peri akrodejias, qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean exei ypoch ths h kybernhsh -pera apo to ti symbainei kai pws krinetai to qema sto sxetiko politiko skhniko- epiqeseis apo akrodejies organwseis oi opoies symbainoyn. Eixame ena peristatiko aytes tis hmeres sta Giannena, to opoio to kataggellei h prwtoboylia ``Genoba 2000''. Pws protiqetai na antimetwpisei tetoies energeies h kybernhsh sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme ekfrasei emprakta thn antiqesh mas se kaqe fainomeno ratsismoy kai jenofobias -ean ayto ennoeite- opws epishs kai se kaqe prospaqeia na antimetwpistoyn me tetoies antidraseis h opoies antiqetes apoceis. To ellhniko kratos exei kai th dynamh kai th qelhsh kai toys mhxanismoys na antimetwpisei tetoia fainomena. Den yparxei kanenas logos anhsyxias.

PITTARAS: Einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs ta stremmata poy eixan kaei sth megalh pyrkagia ths Pentelhs, na mhn entaxqoyn sto nomosxedio poy apagoreyei th tsimentopoihsh toys kai na doqoyn stoys ajiwmatikoys toy stratoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizw den yparxei kanena tetoio qema. H qesh mas gia tis dasikes ektaseis einai gnwsth.

MPOTWNHS: Yparxei kapoia nea ejelijh, qa mas anakoinwsete kati gia tis iwseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa yparjoyn anakoinwseis, isws kai entos ths hmeras, apo ton ypoyrgo Ygeias Alekos Papadopoylo. Einai protimotero na tis perimenoyme. Milhsa mazi toy prin apo ligo, alla epeidh molis twra elhje to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai syllegontai ta stoixeia, einai protimotero to ypoyrgeio Ygeias na kanei tis sxetikes anakoinwseis kai elpizoyme na einai se qetikh kateyqynsh kai eyxaristes.

TSIBOLA: To PASOK synexizei na yposthrizei thn ypochfiothta toy k. Kakkaloy sth dieyrymenh Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ma, o k. Kakkalos exei topoqethqei.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Paramenei h dhlwsh toy PASOK oti an hqele na katebei o k. Kakkalos qa ton sthrize;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se ayth thn periptwsh yparxei to ``ean qelei h nyfh kai o gampros''...

Sas eyxaristw.

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