Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-04-24

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 24 Aprilioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Gnwrizete an yparxei, shmera, ayjhmenh kinhsh sta nosokomeia meta tis xqesines anakoinwseis toy ypoyrgoy Ygeias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete, ayta allazoyn apo wra se wra. Ews prin apo ligo poy enhmerwqhka apo to ypoyrgeio Ygeias den yphrxe shmerinh ejarsh, wstoso omws ayto den apokleiei na yparxoyn ypopta kroysmata mesa stis epomenes wres. Yparxei plhrhs enhmerwsh apo to ypoyrgeio Ygeias, plhrhs kinhtopoihsh olwn twn mhxanismwn, toy Kentroy Eidikwn Loimwjewn kai olwn twn eidikwn episthmonwn. Parakoloyqoyntai ola ta ypopta kroysmata, ejetazontai kata ton kalytero tropo apo ta eidika ergasthria kai gia ola ta qemata qa yparxei synexhs enhmerwsh, opws yparxei mexri twra, apo thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias, alla kai apo toys eidikoys episthmones.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Xqes, sas rwthsa an o k. Papandreoy metabainei sth Mesh Anatolh ws ekproswpos ths Elladas h ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Moy eipate oti metabainei ws ekproswpos ths Elladas. Prohgeitai twra o k. Solana ws ekproswpos ths E.E., apo o,ti plhroforoymai, sthn perioxh kai malista me epishmo endyma. Dierwtwmai an ayto apotelei "kapelwma" ths prospaqeias ths Elladas- Toyrkias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws sas eipa xqes o k. Papandreoy metabainei sthn perioxh me thn idiothta toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn ths Elladas mazi me ton Toyrko omologo toy k. Tzem. Einai koinh prwtoboylia Elladas - Toyrkias. Den exei kamia sxesh me tis prwtoboylies ths E.E..

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Nai, alla h Ellada einai kai melos ths E.E..

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Solana einai o epishmos apestalmenos ths E.E. Opws katalabainete kai o k. Solana kai o k. Papandreoy qa kinhqoyn sto idio mhkos kymatos. Kai ayto, giati aytes einai oi apofaseis ths dieqnoys koinothtas, aytes einai oi apofaseis poy exei labei kai h E.E. kai epomenws oi prwtoboylies einai sygklinoyses apo oles tis pleyres. To qema den einai poios qa paei prwtos kai poios deyteros. Shmasia exei h parembash, h prwtoboylia, to periexomeno. To periexomeno ths parembashs ths prwtoboylias ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, toy ellhnikoy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, kaqws kai ths toyrkikhs kybernhshs, opws ayto qa ekfrastei me thn episkech twn kyriwn Papandreoy kai Tzem, exei ena shmantika symboliko xarakthra. Dyo xwres, oi opoies mexri protinos briskontan se mia antipalothta kai poy exoyn kataballei megales prospaqeies ston tomea ths eirhnhs, ths synergasias kai ths omalothtas, metaferoyn ayth thn empeiria toys, thn ekklhsh kai th fwnh toys, wste na ginei kati analogo kai sthn eyaisqhth perioxh ths M. Anatolhs. Ayto prepei na ajiologhqei apo oloys kai einai pragmati poly shmantiko.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Dhladh, k. Ypoyrge, ayth th stigmh Ellada kai Toyrkia pane xeri-xeri, giati to eipate kai xqes. Dhladh, yparxei taytish apocewn gia ola ta qemata, giati yparxoyn ekkremh qemata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Taytish apocewn den yparxei. Einai logiko me to geitona soy na qeleis na zhseis kala, me synergasia, xwris ayto na shmainei oti apodexesai oles tis apoceis toy. Yparxoyn ekkremh qemata, alla exoyme prospaqhsei kai se ayto symballoyn idiaitera oi prwtoboylies ths ellhnikhs pleyras, wste na lynoyme aytes tis yparktes diafores me dialogo kai mesa apo tis diadikasies ths dieqnoys koinothtas. Den shmainei oti den exoyme diafores. Leme, omws, oti aytes oi diafores lynontai me dialogo kai mesa stis diadikasies ths dieqnoys koinothtas. Kai ayto to mhnyma einai para poly shmantiko. Den pame se mia perioxh poy exei apla diafores, pame se mia perioxh poy mastizetai apo enan kyklo bias kai aimatos, mia perioxh poy brisketai se empolemh katastash. Einai teleiws diaforetiko.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate prohgoymenws oti den yparxei ejarsh. Efoson den yparxei ejarsh se ayth thn iwsh, giati phre ayta ta metra h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhsa gia shmera, gia mexri protinos poy phra kapoia stoixeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes yphrxe ejarsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporei ayth th stigmh ta stoixeia poy exoyme -sth mia h wra h stis 12.30- na einai dyo, tria h deka kroysmata kai kati na symbei meta apo mia wra kai na exoyme pollaplasia kroysmata. Den mporw na analabw kamia eyqynh oti entos ths hmeras den qa yparxei mia diaforetikh katastash. Ayta ta parakoloyqei anellipws o mhxanismos toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias kai to KEL kai enhmerwnei kata ton kalytero tropo me anakoinwseis kai proswpikes parembaseis ths politikhs hgesias toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias, alla kai eidikwn apo to KEL koryfaiwn episthmonwn. Yparxei, loipon, mia synexhs enhmerwsh. Kai shmera o ypoyrgos Ygeias Alekos Papadopoylos milhse se arketoys radiofwnikoys staqmoys. To idio ekane o yfypoyrgos Ygeias E. Nasiwkas, kaqws kai oi eidikoi episthmones. Htan apolyta aitiologhmenh h xqesinh apofash, giati diapistwqhke, meta th xqesinh synanthsh mas se ayth thn aiqoysa, opws o idios o k. Papadopoylos dhlwse se seira thleoptikwn staqmwn xqes@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla eixate ginei eseis "rompa" pio prin.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, gia logoys stoixeiwdoys ajioprepeias, sas parakalw na anakalesete twra. Twra, k. Stamatopoyle.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ti pragma, k. Ypoyrge; Oloi oi staqmoi sas kathgoroysan. To eidate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, edw erxeste gia na kanete tis erwthseis sas. Den erxeste gia na kanete xarakthrismoys. An eseis den jerete na symperiferqeite kai ean den exete stoixeiwdh agwgh, oyte na sas akoloyqhsoyme mporoyme, oyte na prosbalete kai emena kai toys synadelfoys sas sto xwro ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis den me prosbalete twra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parakalw, k. Stamatopoyle, na anakalesete, na zhthsete sygnwmh, twra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na anakalesw, alla na anakalesete kai eseis ayto poy eipate...

PRWTOPAPAS: Efoson anakaleite, to epeisodio qewreitai lhjan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prepei na anakalesete kai eseis ayta poy eipate, omws.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den erxomai edw gia na diaplhktizomai me kanenan. Oles oi parembaseis kai oi topoqethseis moy xarakthrizontai apo to aisqhma ths ajioprepeias, opws sebomai kai oles tis parembaseis poy kanete. Edw, omws, den erxomaste gia na xarakthrisoyme o enas ton allon. Erxomaste gia na rwthsoyme kai an den kalyfqoyme apo mia apanthsh, exoyme to dikaiwma kai thn ypoxrewsh, enanti twn anagnwstwn h twn akroatwn toy o kaqenas, na kanei tis parembaseis toy kai na pei oti den kalyfqhke...

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, na allaxqei ayth h lejh...

PRWTOPAPAS: Anakalese o k. Stamatopoylos, epomenws stamata...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis den anakaleite, omws.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parakalw poly, k. Stamatopoyle.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis poy exete agwgh...

GARGALAKOS: Na diagrafei apo to briefing aytos o dialogos kai na teleiwnoyme.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelete o dialogos na diagrafei;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na meinei olos. Den me peirazei emena.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean den peirazei ton k. Stamatopoylo, egw den exw kanena logo. Apo ekei kai pera, anakalese o k. Stamatopoylos, opote ayth h syzhthsh elabe telos kai parakalw poly na mhn epanalhfqei. An moy kanate erwthsh, qa sas ejhgoysa oti xqes, sth mia h wra poy eipa osa eipa, basizomoyn sthn enhmerwsh poy eixa mexri tis 12.45, apo to armodio ypoyrgeio Ygeias. O idios o k. Papadopoylos, pros timhn toy -kai ayto deixnei kai to hqos toy andros kai xairomai idiaitera gi` ayto- to anagnwrise se seira thleoptikwn staqmwn, xqes to brady. Den perimenoyn emas ta kroysmata, oyte koitazoyn to roloi!! Piqanws, sth mia h wra, na htan tria h tessera kai stis dyo h wra na einai pollaplasia. Gi` ayto yparxei to ypoyrgeio Ygeias kai o armodios ypoyrgos, o opoios bghke stis 18.00 xqes, afoy ektimhse oti ta pragmata pairnoyn mia diaforetikh troph kai, xwris kamia aisqhsh panikoy, alla kaqara gia prolhptikoys logoys, ektimwntas thn katastash, eipe oti apofasisame na kleisoyme ta sxoleia gia tis epomenes treis hmeres. Mh dhmioyrgoyme, loipon, oyte aisqhsh panikoy, oyte na yperballoyme ta pragmata parapanw apo o,ti einai. Bebaiws, einai mia katastash poy qelei parakoloyqhsh kai sobarh antimetwpish. Anamfibola. Kaneis den to arneitai ayto. Qa antidikhsoyme metajy mas se ayto to qema; Einai orismena pragmata me ta opoia den mporei na paizei kaneis. Egw, ayth th stigmh, den mporw na desmeyqw oti den qa exoyme kroysma meta apo mia wra. Lew, omws, oti ola ayta parakoloyqoyntai, ejetazontai sobara kai enhmerwnetai synexws h koinh gnwmh, toso apo to ypoyrgeio, oso kai apo toys episthmones.

SOYGLERHS: Cajate na breite thn piqanothta, mhpws mexri xqes to meshmeri poy enhmerwqhkate den eixan katagrafei sto Kentro ta kroysmata poy yphrxan kai den yphrxe syntonismos; Mhpws den eixate plhrh enhmerwsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Oi plhrofories arxisan na katafqanoyn kai oi katagrafes na ginontai meta tis 2 to meshmeri. Gi` ayto kai paroysiasthke mia prwinh topoqethsh diaforetikh apo thn apogeymatinh. Ayto einai fysiologiko, dioti to prwi, mexri tis 12.30, den eixame katagrafes kai arxisan na ginontai meta tis 14.30. Einai logiko na yparjei mia diaforetikh topoqethsh. Den einai ena fainomeno poy elegxetai. Den einai mia politikh ermhneia se mia dhlwsh h se mia energeia h se ena nomosxedio. Einai ena fainomeno poy xqes paroysiase ejarsh kai lhfqhkan kapoia prolhptika metra. Gi` ayto mporei na diaceysqw kai shmera. Mporei, dhladh, twra to prwi na mhn eixame entona fainomena newn kroysmatwn kai to apogeyma na exoyme. Den mporw na to apokleisw ayto.

IWANNOY: Pros poia kateyqynsh h kybernhsh kai oi armodies ygeionomikes yphresies anazhtoyn thn proeleysh toy sygkekrimenoy ioy, dhladh ean ginontai sygkekrimenes ereynes, opws sto nero h se kapoies alles phges;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn dhlwseis apo toys eidikoys. Den eimai eidikos kai an me balete se ejeidikeymenh syzhthsh, den qa mporesw na akoloyqhsw, opws katalabainete. Qa htan aparadekto ek meroys moy na epixeirhsw na dwsw episthmonikes ermhneies, gia tis opoies den fqanei oyte kan giatros na eisai, prepei na eisai kai eidikos. Otan bgainoyn oi eidikoi, emeis prepei na siwpoyme. Epomenws, qa parakaloysa se ayta ta zhthmata na apeyqyneste stoys eidikoys. Den arnoyntai, exoyn parei odhgies apo to ypoyrgeio Ygeias kai Pronoias kai -opws gnwrizete- einai kai stoys thleoptikoys kai toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys kai stis efhmerides kai bohqoyn, me th dikh sas syndromh, sthn enhmerwsh ths koinhs gnwmhs. Qa parakaloysa poly, na apeyqynqeite ekei. Oi anqrwpoi aytoi einai sth diaqesh sas.

IWANNOY: Qa mas peite ti apofasisate xqes to brady sth syskech poy eixate me ton Prwqypoyrgo; Poia qa einai h epikoinwniakh strathgikh toy PASOK;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan eimaste etoimoi na kanoyme anakoinwseis, qa tis kanoyme. Opws eidate xqes, apofasisame oti o eniaios politikos kai epikoinwniakos sxediasmos einai ena qema poy afora emas kai den xreiazetai se ayta ta zhthmata na prwtostatoyme milwntas h diarreontas o,ti eipe o kaqenas. Nomizw oti htan idiaitera qetiko to gegonos oti xqes, ta "loykia", opws lete sth glwssa sas, den leitoyrghsan, dioti fainetai oti o "ydraylikos" eixe kanei poly kala th doyleia toy. Protimw kai egw ayto poy eipwqhke shmera oti, dhladh, to swsto einai, se aytes tis periptwseis, na kaneis polla kai na les elaxista.

KOLIOPOYLOY: Yparxei programmatismeno tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Beligradi, stis arxes Maioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, einai gnwsto.

KOLIOPOYLOY: Qa mas peite gia poio logo paei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete, exei pragmatopoihsei epafes me oles tis kybernhseis twn geitonikwn xwrwn. Prepei na ginei kai me thn kybernhsh ths Gioygkoslabias. Epomenws, qa paei o Prwqypoyrgos sto Beligradi kai qa exete thn eykairia na eiste kai eseis parontes se ayth thn apostolh, stis 9 kai 10 Maioy. Qa enhmerwqeite analytika gia to programma, to opoio einai arketa shmantiko. Qa exei, bebaiws, epafes me thn politikh hgesia ths xwras ayths.

KALARITHS: Mexri protinos, gnwrizame oti h monh diafora poy apodexetai h ellhnikh pleyra sxetika me thn Toyrkia, einai to qema ths yfalokrhpidas. Prin kanate logo gia diafores poy prospaqoyme na epilysoyme me dialogo kai alla mesa. Exei allajei kati ep` aytoy sth stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Isxyei akribws o,ti exw pei. Einai allo "diafores" kai allo "diafores sto Aigaio". Den shmainei oti den exoyme alles diafores, plhn toy Aigaioy. Einai gnwsth h qesh mas. H monh ekkremothta sto Aigaio afora thn orioqethsh ths yfalokrhpidas. Apo ekei kai pera, gnwrizete oti yparxei mia seira qematwn, opws p.x. ayta poy syndeontai me to Patriarxeio, ta opoia syzhtoyme. Den shmainei oti den exoyme kai alloy qemata na lysoyme.

TSIBOLA: Na epanelqw sto qema twn iwn. Exete labei kapoia prolhptika metra se xwroys ergasias ychlhs epikindynothtas, opws sta Nosokomeia, sta jenodoxeia, sta mageireia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opoy mporei na lambanontai eidika mera, jerete poly kala, oti exoyn lhfqei kai eidikotera, bebaiws, sto xwro twn Nosokomeiwn. Apo kei kai pera, oloi oi eidikoi exoyn enhmerwsei thn koinh gnwmh, exoyn pei pws metadidetai aytos o ios -ej oswn gnwrizoyme mexri twra- kai exoyn perigrafei analytika ola ta symptwmata , wste na gnwrizei kapoios ean exei piqano symptwma h oxi. Prepei na gnwrizete oti se polles apo tis periptwseis anqrwpwn poy katafeygoyn sta nosokomeia -ap o,ti enhmerwqhka apo to ypoyrgeio Ygeias- den einai kat anagkh prosbeblhmena apo ton io. Einai ypopta kroysmata. Piqano na mhn exoyn kamia sxesh me ton io. Na einai mia allh iwsh, h opoia dhmioyrgei kapoia problhmata, pyreto h ponoys k.l.p.

KAPPOS: Na epanelqoyme, k. Ypoyrge, sto qema ths koinhs prwtoboylias gia to Palaistiniako, thn opoia ki eseis kai to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn xarakthrizei, ws pros th bash toy periexomenoy, symbolikh. Me dedomeno oti toylaxiston apo thn pleyra toy k. Tzem yphrje epikoinwnia me ton k. Paoyel, poy xarakthrizei istorikh thn prwtoboylia, alla nomizw oti einai profanes pws den qa perioristhke mono ekei h syzhthsh, qa hqela na rwthsw ean ayth h prwtoboylia emperiexei kai xarakthristika, epiqymies ths amerikanikhs kybernhshs. Kai ean nai, poia einai ayta ta stoixeia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kanenas logos na periexei stoixeia ths amerikanikhs pleyras. O k. Papandreoy se synennohsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, anelabe mia prwtoboylia. Synennohqhke me ton k. Tzem, poy fantazomai oti kai aytos qa synennohqhke me ton Toyrko Prwqypoyrgo kai en synexeia ekdhlwqhke ayth h prwtoboylia. Kaneis jenos den exei anakateyqei. Apo kei kai pera, an qelei kapoios na xarakthrisei ayth thn prwtoboylia qetikh, dikaiwma toy.

MPOTWNHS: Qa moy epitrecete na diafwnhsw me kati poy eipate prohgoymenws. Epeidh, o ``ydraylikos den ekleise kala th bana'' kai yphrjan diarroes, gia paradeigma, mporeite na mas peite ta onomata twn ypoyrgwn poy exoyn proswpikh strathgikh kai den ejyphretoyn to genikotero kalo ths Kybernhshs, opws eipwqhke ``mesa'' ; Giati maqame poioi den milhsan kai poioi milhsan.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epeidh moy aresei na eimai panta eilikrinhs, qa sas pw oti tetoio qema den eipwqhke. Ola ta ypoloipa einai genikes diapistwseis. Sas plhroforw oti ``o ydraylikos eixe kleisei para poly kala th bana''.

KWSTANTINIDHS: O ``ydraylikos'' poios htan en prokeimenw;

PRWTOPAPAS: O kaqenas mas k. Kwnstantinidh.

PITTARAS: Einai sthn proqesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn apocinh synedriash toy E.G. na probei se mia ``diorqwtikh'' dhlwsh, meta tis ermhneies poy prokalese h topoqethsh toy gia thn paraithsh Zospen;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos den kanei diorqwtikes dhlwseis gia ermhneies. Ayto den einai dynaton. Na to pw apla, giati to eipa kai xqes analytika. Ean den kanw laqos o k. Zospen den htan ypochfios Dhmarxos Xalandrioy kai anaferw thn perioxh poy menw gia na mhn yparjei parejhghsh. O k. Zospen htan ypochfios Proedros ths gallikhs Dhmokratias. Kriqhke ekei kai qewrhse en synexeia oti prepei na dhlwsei thn paraithsh toy. Ej oswn gnwrizw stis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges poy qa ginoyn sthn Ellada, o k. Shmiths den protiqetai na diekdikhsei to ajiwma toy dhmarxoy h toy nomarxh se kamia apo tis Perifereies ths xwras!

PITTARAS: Akomh kai ayto, yparxei periptwsh na to pei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, to lew egw k. Pittara, dioti nomizw oti einai o kalyteros tropos na apanthsei kaneis se ayta.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eimaste poly konta sthn hmeromhnia poy qa exoyme to onoma toy neoy Dioikhth ths Trapezas ths Elladas, afoy yparxei shmera synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Papadhmo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai. Prepei, omws, prwta na oloklhrwqei h topoqethsh toy k. Papadhmoy. Opws gnwrizete h oysiastikh apofash exei lhfqei, alla yparxoyn kai kapoies diadikasies, tis opoies den epitrepetai, den einai deontologiko, na prokaqorizei kaneis. Yparxei mia diadikasia toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy, gia paradeigma. Qa prepei na oloklhrwqei kai ayth h diadikasia kai meta oristikopoieitai h topoqethsh toy k. Papadhmoy, opote o Prwqypoyrgos qa parei apofash kai gia to neo Dioikhth.

Sas eyxaristw.

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