Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-12-03

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 3 Dekembrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, tis epomenes hmeres:

Shmera, stis 7 to brady, qa proedreysei sth synedriash toy E.G. toy PASOK gia ton politiko sxediasmo toy kommatos kai tis epomenes kinhseis gia tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges.

Ayrio, sth 1 meta to meshmeri, h Enwsh Antapokritwn jenoy Typoy diorganwnei to kaqierwmeno geyma, sto plaisio toy opoioy o Prwqypoyrgos qa paraxwrhsei synenteyjh Typoy. Gia to logo ayto ayrio den qa ginei h politikh enhmerwsh.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, qa pragmatopoihqei eyreia kybernhtikh syskech gia toys laqrometanastes. Stis 12.30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia me thn ypoyrgo PEXWDE Basw Papandreoy kai stis 13.45, me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh.

Thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, sto Megaro Majimoy, me qema thn poreia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei se epikaires erwthseis sth Boylh. Stis 11.30 qa exei synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Rwsikhs Dhmokratias k. Poytin kai stis 4 to apogeyma qa milhsei sthn pagkosmia synanthsh twn Dhmarxwn poy diorganwnei h Sosialistikh Dieqnhs sth xwra mas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na mas enhmerwsete gia thn apoch ths kybernhshs sta osa eipe xqes o proedros toy Areioy Pagoy k. Matqias, anaferomenos stis ejwqesmikes parembaseis poy dexetai h Dikaiosynh kai an exete kati neotero gia thn ypoqesh Basilakh, sxetika me thn paraplhroforhsh ths koinhs gnwmhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: To deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas afora dikastikh diamaxh metajy fysikwn proswpwn. Den einai dynato na topoqethqei o kybernhtikos ekproswpos se kati tetoio.

Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, exoyme topoqethqei. Kai shmera yparxoyn dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs Filippoy Petsalnikoy. Oydemia parembash yphrje sth Dikaiosynh. Sebomaste apolyta thn aytonomia kai anejarthsia ths dikastikhs ejoysias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, lete oti "kamia parembash den yparxei". Den exoyn kataferqei ypoyrgoi kai onomastika enantion eisaggelewn, enantion twn leitoyrgwn ths Dikaiosynhs; Den toys exoyn kathgorhsei; Kai proxqes, o k. Papantwnioy sth Boylh epiteqhke enantion toy k. Asprogeraka. Den yparxei kamia parembash;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei parembash. Yphrjan kapoies kathgories poy eipwqhkan gia energeies apo orismena stelexh, omws den yphrje parembash sto ergo ths Dikaiosynhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia to qema me toys "xompistes", twra apokalyptetai oti enas exei sxesh me th MIT. Ti apantaei h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipame oti den parembainoyme sto ergo ths Dikaiosynhs. Teqhke ypoch ths Dikaiosynhs oti einai enas syllogos poy exei ayto to xompi. H Dikaiosynh qa to ajiologhsei anephreasta, me bash ta stoixeia poy tis exoyn proskomisei oi arxes asfaleias. H diadikasia proxwraei kanonika kai gnwrizete oti kamia parembash den yphrje se aythn. Ola, akomh kai oi plhrofories poy eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas, tis teleytaies hmeres, gia tis synanthseis orismenwn ej aytwn me paragontes ths Toyrkias, qa ajiologhqoyn apo th Dikaiosynh.

ANTYPAS: Dedomenoy oti yparxoyn dhmosiografikes plhrofories poy fernoyn ton Kwsta Shmith dysaresthmeno kai oti h syzhthsh peri ``rok'' sto komma dhmioyrgei problhmata sthn prowqhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, qa hqela na rwthsw, ean isxyoyn aytes oi plhrofories kai ean o Prwqypoyrgos ontws ektima oti h syzhthsh sto komma epibarynei, ayth th stigmh, thn prospaqeia poy kataballei h kybernhsh na lysei ta problhmata twn politwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: H fash eswstrefeias poy epixeirhqhke kai twra den mporei na synexistei. Kaqe kinhsh poy einai eswstrefhs, prepei na stamathsei. Mas endiaferei to ergo mas. Qa asxolhqoyme me ayto, to prowqoyme. Ayto perimenei apo emas o ellhnikos laos. Einai safes oti xreiazetai kai h antiparaqesh me to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Omws, to ergo mas dinei dynamh, ajiopistia, apotelesmatikothta se ayth thn antiparaqesh. Bebaiws, oi tonoi ths antiparaqeshs kaqorizontai se kaqe periptwsh analoga me to qema.

ANTYPAS: Dieykrinistika, aplws, epeidh eipate oti ``h krish eswstrefeias poy epixeirhqhke'', qa qelate na ginete pio sygkekrimenos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Proekyce ena fainomeno poy apeiloyse na dhmioyrghsei mia eswstrefh katastash. Den einai dynato, na yparxoyn eswstrefeis katastaseis. Einai diaforetikh h entolh poy phrame apo to Synedrio. Den qa janagyrisoyme pisw. Proxwrame mprosta, me bash to ergo mas, me bash tis desmeyseis mas pros ton ellhniko lao. Qa doylecoyme gia thn prowqhsh ths politikhs mas. Apo to ergo mas qa kriqoyme. Apo kei kai pera -to tonizw ayto- to idio to ergo dinei ajiopistia, dinei dynamh, dinei apotelesmatikothta sthn antiparaqesh mas me to komma ths N.D.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate den qa janagyrisoyme pisw, omws, o k. Laliwths anaferetai sto parelqon kai to ``sklhro rok'' poy leei oti ``paizei'', to paizei me toys kanones toy parelqontos. Ti exete na peite gi ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan eipa oti den qa janagyrisoyme pisw, ennooysa se katastaseis poy oloi eixame antimetwpisei to Maio kai nomizw oti einai gnwstes. Ayth einai h ennoia ths genikhs anaforas moy. Ayto poy qelw na pw einai oti, sthn antiparaqesh mas, exoyme kaqe fora thn katallhlh apanthsh. H N.D exei parelqon, exei paron, exei kai tis apoceis ths gia th synexeia. H antiparaqesh mas exei na kanei me thn istorikh diadromh ths N.D. poy ephreazei safws kai to paron ths, Bebaiws, eipa oti to kyrio poy kaqorizei ayth thn antiparaqesh einai to ergo mas, poy mas dinei dynamh, ajiopistia, apotelesmatikothta. Apo kei kai pera, kai sthn antiparaqesh mas, ta lambanoyme ola ypoch mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy to ergo sas einai toso kalo, giati xrhsimopoieite thn parelqontologia; Afoy einai toso megalo to ergo sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Dioti oles oi politikes dynameis sthn Ellada exoyn mia istorikh diadromh. Kai opws exoyme tonisei, gia th N.D., to parelqon ths ephreazei kai kaqorizei to paron ths.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Oi tonoi ths yfistamenhs antiparaqeshs me to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs einai analogh me to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas apanthsa hdh kai nomizw oti olh ayth h syzhthsh poy egine tis teleytaies hmeres, me ton tropo poy egine, prepei na stamathsei.

KARGOYDH: Meta thn katarreysh thn Paraskeyh ths AXON Airlines, o Prwqypoyrgos to Sabbato to prwi, epanerxomenos sto qema ths Olympiakhs, eipe oti h qesh ths kybernhshs einai yper ths diathrhshs enos eqnikoy aerometaforea, xwris na epibarynei ton ellhniko lao. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh exei kapoies sygkekrimenes enallaktikes protaseis ypoch ths.

PRWTOPAPAS: Se ayth th fash ejetazoyme th deyterh prosfora. Einai gnwsto oti den eixe ginei apodekth h prosfora ths AXON Airlines. Perasame sth deyterh prosfora, h opoia katateqhke sth diarkeia toy diagwnismoy. Prepei na ejetasoyme prosektika kai th deyterh prosfora kai na syzhthsoyme mazi toys. Ean kai h deyterh prosfora den ginei apodekth, apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, qa yparjoyn kai alles kinhseis. Omws, den einai h wra ayth. Shmera ejetazoyme th deyterh prosfora kai isxyoyn ta osa eipwqhkan. Qeloyme na yparxei eqnikos aerometaforeas, alla aytos den mporei fysika na epibarynei to koinwniko synolo. Bebaiws, lambanoyme ypoch to periballon poy exei dhmioyrghqei shmera gia tis aeroporikes etaireies. Einai gnwsto oti para polles eyrwpaikes etaireies exoyn kleisei. Antiqeta h Olympiakh Aeroporia deixnei na proxwra kalytera. Ola qa synektimhqoyn.

KARGOYDH: Mia dieykrinish, epeidh eipate oti ean den ginei dekth kai h deyterh prosfora, exoyme kai alla pragmata kata noy...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa etsi. Eipa oti qa ejetastoyn ola.

KARGOYDH: Qa qelame na mas dwsete mia progeysh, estw ena perigramma toy problhmatismoy ths kybernhshs, ean aporrifqei...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa hqela na topoqetoymaste epi ypoqetikwn senariwn. Shmera eimaste sth fash ths syzhthshs ths deyterhs protashs. Bebaiws, ean ayth h protash den ginei apodekth, qa syzhthsoyme kai qa ejetasoyme oles tis alles lyseis, sth bash kai twn proxqesinwn dhlwsewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti qa ejetasoyme prosektika th deyterh prosfora. Thn prwth prosfora h kybernhsh thn eixe ejetasei prosektika;

PRWTOPAPAS: Idiaitera prosektika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: ...kai den gnwrize oti ayth h etaireia den mporoyse na agorasei thn Olympiakh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas qymisw oti den dexqhkame thn prosfora.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Htan h prwth prosfora, ti den thn dexqhkate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den th dexqhkame.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ekei phgainate na th dwsete.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh mas katalogizete pragmata ta opoia den isxyoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws den isxyoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai gnwsto oti den egine apodekth ayth h prosfora.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eixe ginei dekth h prosfora kai proxwroyse pros thn AXON. Ean den ekleine twra h AXON qa thn epairne. Ayth eixate prwth proteraiothta. Kai o ypoyrgos Metaforwn ayto elege kai o prwhn ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias. Elegan oti h monh poy prosferetai, ayth th stigmh, na agorasei thn Olympiakh einai h AXON. Afoy to elegan ayto kai proxwroysan oi diadikasies.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw hdh topoqethqei. H prosfora ths AXON den eixe ginei apodekth.

GARGALAKOS: Pote h kybernhsh eixe apofasisei na mhn kanei dekth thn prosfora ths AXON; Afoy apofasise h dioikhsh ths na thn kleisei h prin;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes, oti poly prin dhmosieyqei h sxetikh apofash gia thn anastolh twn ergasiwn ths AXON -giati gia thn akribeia yparxei diakoph ergasiwn- eixame hdh proxwrhsei sthn ejetash ths deyterhs protashs. Ayto exei anakoinwqei edw kai polles hmeres.

SKOYRHS: Nomizw oti sas afora to erwthma kai ws ypoyrgo Typoy gia thn ypoqesh Basilakh. Teleytaia exoyme to fainomeno na yparxoyn polles agwges kata dhmosiografwn, me yperogka posa kai pollaples gia to idio qema. Otan eixe "skasei" h ypoqesh, to komma sas, to kybernwn komma, eixe diorganwsei hmerida kai eixe desmeyqei gia thn allagh aytoy toy nomoy, kati to opoio zhtaei kai h ESHEA, me epaneilhmmenes anakoinwseis ths. Isxyei ayth h anakoinwsh poy eixate kanei;

PRWTOPAPAS: H ESHEA moy exei qesei to qema. Kai epeidh moy to eqese, alla epeidh einai kai mia pragmatikothta, eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na to ejetasoyme. Kai qa to ejetasoyme. Bebaiws, prepei na yparxei panta mia isorropia. Prepei kai o poliths na prostateyetai kai bebaiws, apo thn allh pleyra, na mhn yparxei ena fainomeno biomhxanias agwgwn kata toy Typoy. Alla, ayth h isorropia, qelei mia poly prosektikh ejetash. Einai idiaitera lepto zhthma poy to exei qesei h ESHEA kai qa to ejetasoyme.

MPOTWNHS: Parathreitai to teleytaio diasthma to fainomeno ths aisxrokerdeias sthn agora, me aformh thn eisodo toy Eyrw. Kai olh ayth h isotimia ginetai pros ta panw. Ti metra qa parei h kybernhsh, gia na mhn perasoyme sthn "eyrw-aisxrokerdeia";

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti olo to prohgoymeno diasthma mas apasxolhse idiaitera to qema, pws qa ginei o ypologismos twn timwn, meta th metatroph ths draxmhs se Eyrw. Yparxoyn polles symfwnies metajy toy ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs kai twn epimeroys omadwn twn epaggelmatiwn kai twn forewn, wste ayth h stroggylopoihsh na mh ginei pros ta panw, na mhn apotelesei to prosxhma gia kerdoskopikes katastaseis. Aytes oi symfwnies yparxoyn kai prepei na thrhqoyn. Qa ginei enas neos kyklos epafwn toy ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs me oloys aytoys toys foreis. Qa apaithqei, qa zhthqei h thrhsh twn symfwniwn. Exoyme oloi eyqynh gia thn prostasia toy Ellhna katanalwth. Bebaiws, apo thn pleyra toy ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs, qa ginoyn -kai diataxqhkan, hdh- kai deigmatolhptikoi elegxoi, wste na diapistwqei ti akribws exei ginei kai poia einai shmera h katastash. Qa exoyme mia plhrh eikona. Parakoloyqoyme apo konta to qema kai bebaiws, zhtame apo olo ton epixeirhmatiko kosmo na thrhsei tis symfwnies poy yphrjan, na bohqhsei, wste h eisagwgh toy Eyrw na ginei kata ton kalytero dynato tropo gia ton Ellhna polith kai thn ellhnikh koinwnia.

KAPPOS: Fantazomai oti aytos o elegxos qa deijei oti einai hdh gnwsto oti to teleytaio 1-1,5 mhna toylaxiston, exoyn anebei pragmati oi times. Anarwtiemai, an qa yparxoyn kyrwseis pros tis epixeirhseis ekeines poy einai poly eyreia h gkama toys, qa elega, poy exoyn probei se anatimhseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelei pollh prosoxh to zhthma me thn agora, giati den eimaste se mia palia katastash poy yphrxe diatimhsh. Ekeino poy xreiazetai na ginei einai na yparjei mia symfwnia me tis dynameis ths agoras. Mia symfwnia poy qa elegxetai kai qa diapistwnetai. Mia symfwnia poy qa sebetai ton polith katanalwth. Ekei qa zhthsoyme th bohqeia kai olwn twn forewn twn katanalwtwn, opws to INKA kai opoiwn allwn forewn yparxoyn. Gia na ginei ayto, prepei oloi na analaboyme tis eyqynes mas. H kybernhsh to exei qesei hdh. Yparxoyn symfwnies kai aytes epiballetai na thrhqoyn.

MOYRTZHS: O idiokthths ths INTRAKOM k. Kokkalhs, ypo thn piesh enos iliggiwdoys xreoys, kalliergei senaria "gamoy" me ton OTE. Pws topoqeteitai h kybernhsh sto qema ayto kai sta sxolia toy typoy "h diaplokh zhtei twra kratikh yioqesia, swthria apo kratikoys "leykoys ippotes";

PRWTOPAPAS: Exei topoqethqei o armodios ypoyrgos Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn, apo thn Paraskeyh.

MOYRTZHS: Qelw to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: To sxolio moy symfwnei apolytws me to sxolio toy k. Berelh. Den yparxei tetoio qema.

MPOYATAR: Gia to prohgoymeno qema, gia to Eyrw, gia na katalabw, afhnetai sthn kalh qelhsh olwn na thrhqei mia symfwnia. Den yparxei kanenas mhxanismos poy na problepei kyrwseis, an den thrhqei ayth h symfwnia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas qymisw oti sthn Ellada, opws kai se oles tis xwres ths E.E., eimaste se kaqestws eleyqerhs agoras. Bebaiws, yparxoyn nomoi gia thn patajh ths aisxrokerdeias. Kai oi nomoi aytoi throyntai. Einai diaforetikh, omws, h aisqhsh ths symfwnias, wste h stroggylopoihsh na ginei me tropo poy na mhn eynoei, eite plhqwristikes pieseis, eite fainomena aisxrokerdeias. Edwsa idiaitero baros se ayth th symfwnia me thn agora, giati einai o kalyteros tropos stis shmerines synqhkes eleyqeroy antagwnismoy, na mporeseis na kaneis kati swsta gia na prostateyseis ton polith. Dioti se aytes tis periptwseis, h ellhnikh koinwnia qa prepei na energei ws synolo, me symfwnies, me synaineseis, me dynameis poy na kinhtopoioyntai ston idio stoxo. Den einai mono qema katastolhs. H koinwnia exei energeis dynameis, oi opoies prepei na synergazontai se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

KIRPAKHS: Oson afora ton eyrwstrato, yparxoyn dhlwseis apo thn Agkyra. Pws tis sxoliazete aytes; Einai h kybernhsh enhmerh gia th symfwnia poy epiteyxqhke metajy Amerikhs, Toyrkias kai Agglias kai ti exete na mas peite gi` ayto to zhthma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ta parakoloyqoyme ola. Yphrje kai syzhthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy Kwsta Shmith me to Belgo Prwqypoyrgo kai proedreyonta toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy. Ekeino poy exoyme jekaqarisei einai oti oi apofaseis sto qema ayto, prepei na kinhqoyn mesa sto plaisio twn apofasewn ths Synodoy Koryfhs ths Nikaias. Den mporei na yparxei kamia ejairesh edafikwn zwnwn kai kyriws edafikwn zwnwn idiaiterhs eqnikhs eyaisqhsias. To qema ayto eteqh kai sto Belgo Prwqypoyrgo. Gnwrizete oti oi dhlwseis kai toy idioy htan se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Thn kateyqynsh ths thrhshs twn apofasewn poy oloklhrh h E.E. exei labei, sth Synodo Koryfhs ths Nikaias. Kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh qa kinhqoyme.

KAPPOS: Gia to idio qema, yphrje dhlwsh Etzebit, meta apo thn anakoinwsh poy ekdoqhke meta apo synanthsh ths politikhs kai stratiwtikhs hgesias ths Toyrkias. O k. Etzebit eipe oti ta basika aithmata ths Agkyras, ikanopoihqhkan se sxesh me ton Eyrwstrato. Exei kapoia enhmerwsh h ellhnikh kybernhsh, poia aithmata ths Agkyras ikanopoihqhkan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai gnwsto oti yphrje mia prwtoboylia apo thn agglikh kai thn amerikanikh pleyra pros thn Toyrkia. Parakoloyqoyme fysika ta panta. Shmasia den exei ti symfwnhsan me ena melos ths E.E., alla poies einai oi apofaseis ths E.E. kai ti qa ginei sta organa ths. Apo ekeina qa dhmioyrghqei o Eyrwstratos. Sta organa, loipon, ths E.E., h ellhnikh apaithsh einai na thrhqoyn oi desmeyseis mas, oi apofaseis mas, sto plaisio ths Nikaias.

KAPPOS: Se allo qema: Eqese, prohgoymenws, synadelfos zhthma peri agwgwn ston Typo. To teleytaio diasthma, an den exei jekinhsei, brisketai epi qyrais mia sobarotath, qa elega, krish sto xwro toy Typoy, h opoia proslambanei megales diastaseis me apolyseis, me mh thrhsh syllogikwn symbasewn k.t.l. Qa hqela, oxi to sxolio sas, alla pros poia kateyqynsh skopeyei na parembei pleon h kybernhsh kai eseis eidika ws ypoyrgos Typoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh qa parembainei se o,ti exei na kanei me thn thrhsh toy nomoy kai twn syllogikwn symbasewn. Opoy den threitai o nomos kai oi syllogikes symbaseis, einai safes oti parembainei h kybernhsh. Einai qema nomimothtas kai thrhshs twn symbasewn kai twn ypoxrewsewn olwn.

KAPPOS: Gnwrizete oti exoyn yparjei mazikes apolyseis, oi opoies den exoyn anakoinwqei, se orismena sygkrothmata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa to plaisio sto opoio parembainei h kybernhsh. Synergazomaste stena me thn ESHEA gia oles aytes tis periptwseis. Kai einai gnwsto oti opoy xreiasthke na paremboyme kai opoy mas zhthqhke apo thn ESHEA na paremboyme, to kaname.

Sas eyxaristw.

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