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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 12 Ioylioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Ayth thn wra, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy, synedriazei h diypoyrgikh epitroph, me th symmetoxh kai allwn paragontwn, gia qemata poy aforoyn thn proetoimasia ths xwras mas gia thn Olympiada. H programmatismenh, gia shmera to apogeyma, synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sta grafeia toy Kinhmatos, me ekproswpoys twn kommatikwn organwsewn, enocei ths diorganwshs qematikwn syndiaskecewn, anablhqhke. Sas proideazw oti o Prwqypoyrgos problepetai na episkefqei, kata tis prosexeis hmeres, perioxes poy exoyn plhgei apo tis pyrkagies. To programma qa oristikopoihqei tis epomenes wres, gi` ayto den probainw, ayth thn wra, se telikh anakoinwsh.

Ola ta metwpa fwtias sthn Ellada exoyn elegxqei. Exoyme anazwpyrwsh sth qesh Tsoyka. Einai mia oreinh perioxh sth Samo. Den diatrexoyn kindyno anqrwpoi. Den dhmioyrgoyntai kindynoi gia katoikies h alles egkatastaseis. Pisteyoyme oti h amesh kinhtopoihsh twn dynamewn toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos, qa odhghsei ston apolyto elegxo kai thn katasbesh kai ayths ths pyrkagias. Etsi einai h eikona ayth thn wra. Bebaiws, oles oi dynameis einai diatetagmenes analogws, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme kaqe endexomeno, enocei kairikwn fainomenwn poy kata tis probleceis anamenetai na einai akraia.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KONTOPOYLOS: Xqes, h efhmerida toy Boloy ``Prwth'' dhmosieyse mia epistolh toy k. Xristodoyloy ston k. Ebert, to 1996, thn opoia epibebaiwse kai o k. Ebert se xqesinh thleoptikh emfanish toy ston ``ALPHA''. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: Ayta ta qemata den aforoyn thn kybernhsh. Den asxoleitai me ayta.

KONTOPOYLOS: Den synista politikh parembash ek meroys toy Arxiepiskopoy;

REPPAS: Den afora thn kybernhsh. Ta sxolia dika sas.

ALEJAKH: Mporeite na mas peite merika pragmata gia th diypoyrgikh epitroph;

REPPAS: Qa sas enhmerwsei, meta th synedriash, o k. Xythrhs, o opoios symmetexei. Qa kanei dhlwseis, opws ginetai synhqws, meta to peras ths synedriashs.

ALEJAKH: Perimenoyme stis arxes Aygoystoy elegktes apo th DOE;

REPPAS: Anamenetai sto deytero dekapenqhmero toy Aygoystoy na episkefqoyn thn Ellada, ek meroys ths DOE, paragontes oi opoioi qa syzhthsoyn edw, me thn Organwtikh Epitroph, thn poreia ejelijhs twn ergwn, thn proetoimasia ths xwras mas.

ALEJAKH: Apo thn episkech ayth emeis qa paroyme kapoio teliko O.K. apo thn pleyra ths DOE;

REPPAS: Antallassontai apoceis. Ginetai mia ektimhsh ths proodoy poy exei syntelestei kai tiqentai oi proteraiothtes, prokeimenoy na yparxei mia ``pyjida'', basei ths opoias kineitai kai h Organwtikh Epitroph poy exei analabei th diorganwsh ths Olympiadas. Einai ena plaisio synergasias, to opoio pantote isxyei se aytes tis periptwseis.

PITTARAS: Se sxesh me tis germanikes apozhmiwseis, eixame xqes ena diabhma apo th germanikh presbeia, eixame katagrafh apo tis dikastikes arxes perioysiakwn stoixeiwn sto Gkaite kai h diadikasia ayth synexizetai shmera. Eseis epimenete oti ayto den einai qema dikastiko, alla qema diakratiko;

REPPAS: Eixame aytes tis ejelijeis. Prosqetw oti eixame th diatypwsh diabhmatos pros thn ellhnikh kybernhsh toso apo to Germano presbh sthn Ellada pros to dieyqynth toy diplwmatikoy grafeioy toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, oso kai pros ton Ellhna presbh sth Germania apo to dieyqynth ths armodias dieyqynshs toy germanikoy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Prepei na tonisw, giati einai gnwsto oti exoyn ginei ta diabhmata ayta, oti ta diabhmata eginan se ena tetoio pneyma, to opoio apodeiknyei pws kaqe allo para epiqymei kai h Germania th diatarajh twn dimerwn sxesewn. Perissotero to diabhma ayto exei to nohma ths anaforas enos qematos, to opoio h Germania qewrei shmantiko gi` aythn kai den apotelei energeia poy strefetai enantion ths Elladas, wste na odhgei se diatarajh twn dimerwn sxesewn.

Oson afora, twra, ayto kaqayto to qema, pragmati, eixame ayth thn energeia. H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei, kat` epanalhch, diatypwsei th qesh ths. To qema ayto prepei na to antimetwpisoyme, me gnwmona to eqniko symferon. Prepei na proseggisoyme oles tis ptyxes toy qematos, xwris na agnooyme kai na parakamptoyme thn apofash Dikasthrioy poy dikaiwnei sympolites mas. Gnwrizete poly kala oti paramenei ena alyto nomiko qema kai gi` ayto, akribws, eimaste epifylaktikoi h kai exoyme antirrhsh, qa elega, oson afora thn epispeysh twn diadikasiwn, etsi opws ayth ekdhlwnetai tis teleytaies hmeres. Qewroyme oti qa prepei oi foreis poy emplekontai sto qema ayto na parameinoyn se epikoinwnia, opws synebaine kata thn prohgoymenh periodo. Qa prepei na lyqei to nomiko qema poy egeiretai, meta to endexomeno, me anakoph kata ths katasxeshs, na prosfygoyn oi ekproswpoi ths germanikhs kybernhshs sta dikasthria. Pisteyoyme, loipon, kai me bash tis politikes ektimhseis poy kanei oxi monon h kybernhsh alla kai alloi paragontes ths koinwnikhs zwhs, oti oi diadikasies aytes qa prepei na akoloyqhqoyn etsi, wste na mh blaptontai ta eqnika symferonta, xwris na paragrafontai ta dikaiwmata twn dikaiwqentwn sympolitwn mas. Kai en pash periptwsei, to qema ayto apaitei poly prosektikoys xeirismoys.

FILHS: To diabhma, ti leei akribws;

REPPAS: Einai proforiko diabhma.

FILHS: Ti leei akribws;

REPPAS: Den exw th dynatothta na sas metaferw to periexomeno enos proforikoy diabhmatos. Ayto, allwste, den synhqizetai. Mporw, omws, na sas metaferw @kai to ekana hdh- to pneyma. Sas eipa oti ayto sxetizetai me thn anagkh h germanikh kybernhsh na entopisei ena qema yparkto, xwris apo thn allh na qetei qema diatarajhs twn dimerwn sxesewn, oi opoies einai se poly kalo epipedo kai prepei na synexistoyn to idio kala, sto idio ychlo epipedo poy briskontai shmera.

FILHS: H ellhnikh pleyra protiqetai na egeirei qema politikwn diaboyleysewn me th Germania, prokeimenoy na yparjei diakratikh symfwnia gia to qema;

REPPAS: Ayth thn wra, antimetwpizoyme ena sygkekrimeno problhma poy prokyptei meta apo ekdosh dikastikhs apofashs. Ayto to qema antimetwpizoyme twra kai to antimetwpizoyme kai sto plaisio synennohsewn, epafwn me toys foreis poy exoyn emplakei se ayth thn ypoqesh. Prepei ayto to sygkekrimeno qema poy mas apasxolei na to antimetwpisoyme me ypeyqyno tropo. Ayto einai poy proexei. Ayth thn wra, den antimetwpizoyme otidhpote allo, den mas apasxolei otidhpote allo.

FILHS: Prosfatws, thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, h germanikh Boylh, h Katw Boylh apofasise na proxwrhsei se apozhmiwsh Amerikanwn, ebraikhs katagwghs, oi opoioi eixan parei meros se katanagkastikh ergasia@

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei thn prohgoymenh ebdomada se erwthsh synadelfoy sas. Afora ena poso deka disekatommyriwn markwn. Kai eipa tote oti oi armodies yphresies ths xwras mas, toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, exoyn epafh me tis antistoixes yphresies ths Germanias, gia na diereynhsoyn pws exei to qema. Se ayto to stadio briskomaste twra.

KYRIAKIDOY: Mas eipate oti to qema ayto briskotan sta xeria toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs kai oti h epomenh kinhsh anamenotan apo ayton. Ayto shmaine oti xwris thn egkrish toy Ypoyrgoy, logw eidikwn synqhkwn, diakratikwn symfwniwn, den mporoyse na ektelestei h apofash ayth;

REPPAS: Paramenoyme sth qesh oti symfwna me to arqro 923 toy Kwdika Politikhs Dikonomias, apaiteitai h adeia toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs, prokeimenoy na ektelestei mia tetoia apofash katasxeshs kata allodapoy Dhmosioy. To qema ayto prepei na antimetwpistei nomika kai qa antimetwpistei meta thn endexomenh anakoph twn Germanwn. To Dikasthrio einai ayto poy qa apofasisei. Emeis, paramenoyme se ayth th qesh kai ews otoy aposafhnistei ayto to nomiko qema, den qa prepei na analambanontai prwtoboylies sthn ypoqesh ayth.

KAPPOS: Se sxesh me orismenes energeies sth Samo, propagandishs fyghs jenwn toyristwn k.lp., kanate xqes ena xarakthrismo peri ``anqellhnikwn energeiwn'', exei plhrh eikona h kybernhsh ayth th stigmh an stis energeies synebale kai h ollandikh kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti ekproswpos ths ollandikhs presbeias exei diaceysei opoiadhpote anamijh ths kybernhshs ths xwras toy sthn ypoqesh ayth. H prwtoboylia tajidiwtikwn praktorwn einai ayth h opoia kaqodhgei polloys toyristes Ollandoys poy episkeptontai th Samo, na apomakrynqoyn apo aythn. Me thn eykairia ths erwthshs sas, epanalambanw me kathgorhmatiko tropo th qesh oti den kindyneyei opoiosdhpote poliths sth Samo. Den exoyn kanena logo, efoson o ypotiqemenos kindynos einai aytos poy toys odhgei na apomakrynqoyn apo th Samo, na fygoyn apo to panemorfo nhsi. Mporoyn na synexisoyn ekei to programma twn diakopwn toys. Ta problhmata poy proklhqhkan logw twn pyrkagiwn kai odhghsan se mia diatarajh ths koinwnikhs zwhs, asfalws qa jeperastoyn grhgora. Kai se teleytaia analysh, den yparxei qema kindynoy gi` aytoys, opws kapoioi qeloyn na to paroysiasoyn. Se ayto eimaste kathgorhmatikoi kai den yphrje oyte gia mia stigmh tetoio qema.

TOYMASHS: Exw thn entypwsh -kai qa hqela to sxolio sas- oti exoyme ena ojymwro stoixeio sto qema twn katasxesewn. Apo th mia, exoyme egklhmata kata anqrwpwn kai politismoy apo tis dynameis ths Germanias kata thn periodo ths katoxhs ths xwras mas kai apo thn allh, exoyme katasxeseis se idrymata ta opoia paragoyn kai proagoyn politismo h akoma kai anadeiknyoyn anqrwpistikes ajies h ajies toy klassikoy ellhnismoy, opws to Institoyto Arxaiologias. Den einai ligo ojymwro ayto;

REPPAS: Exoyn diatypwqei polles apoceis gia to qema, oi opoies kinoyntai sto pedio twn politikwn ektimhsewn, ths diatypwshs politikwn qesewn. Arkoymai na anaferw -kai nomizw oti ajizei na to kanw- th qesh poy exoyn diatypwsei o k. Glezos kai o k. Magkakhs, oti mia tetoioy eidoys diekdikhsh apajiwnetai hqika otan strefetai enantion pneymatikwn h politistikwn idrymatwn. Einai pragmatika mia ajioprosexth qesh. Epishs, qewrw anagkaio na kanw mneia sto arqro toy kaqhghth Mpeils, sth shmerinh ``Eleyqerotypia'', poy anaferetai se ayto to qema me ajioshmeiwth nomikh tekmhriwsh.

Paramenw sth qesh poy exw diatypwsei ek meroys ths kybernhshs. O ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs xeirizetai to qema. Pisteyoyme oti twra, perissotero para pote, xreiazetai oi xeirismoi mas na einai xeirismoi akraias eyqynhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Shmiths, twra poy eixe paei sth Germania, mhpws to syzhthse ayto to qema me Germanoys ajiwmatoyxoys;

REPPAS: Den synanthse Germanoys ajiwmatoyxoys o Prwqypoyrgos. Gnwrizete oti breqhke gia liges hmeres sth Germania, sto plaisio idiwtikoy programmatos, prokeimenoy na parabreqei se ekdhlwseis pros timhn toy adelfoy toy kaqhghth Spyroy Shmith.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me thn eykairia ayth, mhpws twra poy yparxoyn aytes oi katasxeseis kai aytes oi dikastikes apofaseis teqei kai to qema toy katoxikoy daneioy;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei se ayto kai nomizw oti thn erwthsh thn eixate diatypwsei eseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den qetei h kybernhsh to qema ayto;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti ayto einai ena anoikto zhthma, edw kai polla xronia, kai oti paramenei anoikto. Thn wra ayth, mas apasxolei to sygkekrimeno zhthma poy exei prokycei, meta thn apofash dikasthrioy sthn Ellada.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai akoma epimenete oti o N/923 isxyei;

REPPAS: Apanthsa, molis prin. Asfalws isxyei.

IWANNOY: Anastellontai oi katasxeseis apo th Deytera; Giati egw akoysa ton k. Stamoylh, to prwi, poy elege oti apo th Deytera qa proxwrhsoyme sth dhmeysh@

REPPAS: Prepei na antimetwpistei ena nomiko qema, to opoio, ayth thn wra, den exei aposafhnistei. Kai ayto afora thn adeia poy prepei na dwsei o idios o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs. Efoson antimetwpistei ayto to qema, tote mporoyme na proxwrhsoyme analogws. Ayth thn wra, omws, einai poly prowro na analambanei opoiosdhpote antistoixes prwtoboylies. Kalo einai na apofeygontai oi prwtoboylies aytes. Hmoyn safhs oles tis hmeres, kai shmera, gia ayto to opoio lew.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prwtoboylia einai; Dikastikh apofash einai, den einai prwtoboylia. Den th dexeste th dikastikh apofash;

REPPAS: Se ayth th fash poy kapoioi odhgoyntai, opws oi idioi lene, se ektelesh dikastikhs apofashs, yparxei nomiko qema to opoio den exei aposafhnistei. Prepei prwta ayto na antimetwpistei -kata th dikh mas apoch, sthn opoia paramenoyme kai epimenoyme- prokeimenoy na proxwrhsoyn oi diadikasies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den thn apodexeste th dikastikh apofash;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh dexetai th dikastikh apofash kai den mporoyme na agnohsoyme h na parakamcoyme thn apofash ayth. To exw pei apo thn prwth hmera. Pws exete, loipon, thn entypwsh oti den dexomaste thn apofash toy dikasthrioy;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Alla, lete na mhn efarmostei.

REPPAS: Oydeis eipe kati tetoio. Oloi eipame oti prepei oi xeirismoi poy qa ginoyn, prokeimenoy na efarmostei h apofash ayth, na ginoyn me gnwmona to eqniko symferon kai na lambanontai ypoch oles oi ptyxes toy qematos. Ayto epixeireitai apo th dikh mas pleyra. Pisteyw oti ayto qa kanoyn kai oi alloi paragontes poy emplekontai sto qema.

FILHS: Symfwna me dhmosieymata, yparxei kapoia dysareskeia toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to syntonismo toy ergoy pyrosbeshs sth Samo.

REPPAS: Apanthsa, xqes, se erwthsh gia to idio akribws qema. Den yparxei kamia dysareskeia. O syntonismos kai oi epixeirhseis eginan me tropo idiaitera ikanopoihtiko. To kratos htan paron. Bebaiws, se tetoies akraies periptwseis, den einai dynato na apofygoyme th dhmioyrgia problhmatwn. Eixame problhmata meta apo tis pyrkagies, logw twn akraiwn kairikwn fainomenwn. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti egine o,ti htan anqrwpinws dynato apo thn pleyra toy kratoys kai twn armodiwn yphresiwn gia na antimetwpistei h katastash. Se ayth th qesh menoyme.

FILHS: Dhladh, o Prwqypoyrgos einai ikanopoihmenos me ton tropo poy kinhqhkan oi ypoyrgoi toy.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei enhmerwqei, exei dwsei kateyqynseis apo thn prwth hmera poy jespasan oi pyrkagies. Parakoloyqei pws ekteloyn oi armodies yphresies ta kaqhkonta toys. Mporoyme na poyme oti o apologismos einai qetikos, oson afora ton tropo me ton opoio kinhqhkan oi armodies yphresies. Prepei akomh na epanalabw kati, to opoio me allo tropo eipa xqes. Eimaste sthn kardia ths toyristikhs periodoy. Kalo, loipon, einai ola ayta ta qemata na ta proballoyme me tetoio tropo, wste na paroysiazoyme thn alhqeia pros toys polites, prosferontas toys antikeimenikh enhmerwsh, xwris omws, dia ths yperbolhs, na fqanoyme sto shmeio na blaptoyme thn eqnikh oikonomia, thn topikh oikonomia, xwris na dhmioyrgoyme problhmatismoys gia para polloys, oi opoioi qa hqelan na episkefqoyn th Samo h alles perioxes ths Elladas.

Kai sas lew toyto: Oti ta MME sthn Italia, kaqe allo para probalan tis eikones katastrofhs thn opoia ezhse h Italia, logw twn ektetamenwn pyrkagiwn poy ekdhlwqhkan ekei. Prepei kai se ayta ta qemata, oi xeirismoi oi opoioi ginontai, na einai tetoioi, wste na ypakoyoyn se kapoia isorropia. Den qa prepei, epidiwkontas me yperboliko kai akraio tropo th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn, na mas diafeygei oti dhmioyrgoyme, se alloys tomeis, polla problhmata. Epanalambanw oti para polloi katoikoi h foreis kapoias perioxhs qeloyn oi dynameis na einai dipla toys, ana pasa stigmh. Qeloyn ta qemata toys na briskontai sthn prwth grammh ths epikairothtas. Apo thn allh, omws, otan ta qemata ayta briskontai sthn prwth grammh kai syzhtoyntai poly ektetamena kai me entash, diatypwnoyn to parapono oti dhmioyrgoyntai, ej aytoy toy logoy, problhmata sthn eyryqmia ths koinwnikhs zwhs sthn perioxh toys, epeidh polloi alloi qewroyn oti h perioxh ayth plhttetai toso poly, wste kalo einai na apofygoyn na thn episkefqoyn, enw ayto eixan programmatisei na kanoyn. Ola ayta, loipon, prepei na ta zygizoyme, etsi wste na eimaste ypeyqynoi kai apotelesmatikoi.

FILHS: H erwthsh moy htan: O Prwqypoyrgos einai ikanopoihmenos apo to ergo twn ypoyrgwn toy;

REPPAS: Apanthsa.

FILHS: Gia tis yphresies milhsate. Qelw na rwthsw, an o syntonismos poy egine apo toys ypoyrgoys ikanopoihse ton Prwqypoyrgo.

REPPAS: Poia einai h lejh h opoia qa deixnei ston yperqetiko baqmo oti einai ikanopoihmenos o Prwqypoyrgos apo toys ypoyrgoys toy; Poia lejh sas ikanopoiei;

FILHS: Egw den milw ws ekproswpos.

REPPAS: Epeidh mporei, an pw kapoia lejh, na peite oti apanthsa pws einai ikanopoihmenos kai den eipa oti einai katenqoysiasmenos. Kai mporei na bgalete kapoio symperasma apo ayto@

FILHS: Einai grammena ola. Eipate apo tis yphresies. H Pyrosbestikh dinei th maxh. H k. Papandreoy, o k. Xrysoxoidhs orqws eprajan h yphrjan problhmata syntonismoy;

REPPAS: Orqotata eprajan. Ayth einai h gnwmh kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy. An olh h syzhthsh egine gia na apospasete ayth th lejh, parabiazete anoiktes portes. Ayto to eipa apo thn arxh.

KAPPOS: Ta teleytaia 24wra, meta to peristatiko sta Strobilia, yphrje mia kinhsh sthn prasinh grammh. Eixame kai ena epeisodio emprhsmoy. Den jerw an einai meizonos h elassonos shmasias, ayto qa to krinete eseis@

REPPAS: Exoyn ginei dhlwseis apo paragontes ths kypriakhs kybernhshs. Einai mia proklhtikh energeia ayth, h opoia, bebaiws, dhmioyrgei mia epiprosqeth entash, giati leitoyrgei aqroistika se alla gegonota. Pisteyw, omws, oti den qa prepei na dinoyme -poly perissotero se mia periodo poy einai se ejelijh oi synomilies gia thn antimetwpish toy basikoy qematos toy kypriakoy problhmatos- diastaseis oi opoies, se teleytaia analysh, mporei na exoyn dysmeneis synepeies. Ola ayta, omws, prepei na katagrafontai. Kai aytoi oi opoioi exoyn eyqynes, qa prepei na xrewnontai analogws, politika kai diplwmatika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn giati den eqese to qema ayto sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti to eqese. Enhmerwse oloys toys synadelfoys toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw lew sto Symboylio twn Ypoyrgwn.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti to eqese kai enhmerwse toys synadelfoys toy. Den exete enhmerwqei eseis poy ergazeste kai se efhmerida;

STAMATOPOYLOS: To eqese mesa sto Symboylio twn Ypoyrgwn;

REPPAS: Den eixa pei, apo thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, oti sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, sth diarkeia toy geymatos, qa qesei ayto to qema; To eqese, enhmerwse toys synadelfoys toy o k. Papandreoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Allo enhmerwse toys synadelfoys toy kai allo to eqese sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn. Oxi sto periqwrio.

REPPAS: Kanena periqwrio. Prepei na jerete oti ta geymata poy ginontai sto plaisio toy Symboylioy Genikwn Ypoqesewn, einai geymata ergasias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O idios eipe kat` idian@

REPPAS: Sas eipa, kanete laqos. To eqese to qema kai enhmerwse toys synadelfoys toy. Sas parakalw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se kat` idian enhmerwsh.

REPPAS: Sas parakalw poly. H enhmerwsh egine sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, opws akribws eixame anakoinwsei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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