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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 10 Ioylioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Qa moy epitrecete na sas enhmerwsw, kat` arxas, gia to programma twn epomenwn hmerwn.

O Prwqypoyrgos synergazetai, ayth thn wra, me thn k. Aggelopoyloy, Proedro ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs ths Olympiadas toy 2004.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, qa proedreysei se syskech, me antikeimeno thn epikeimenh anaqewrhsh diatajewn toy Syntagmatos. Sth syskech qa laboyn meros o Proedros ths Boylhs, o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, o eishghths toy PASOK Eyaggelos Benizelos, o k. Papaiwannoy kai o nomikos symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, kaqhghths Gewrgios Papadhmhtrioy. Thn idia hmera, stis 7.30 to apogeyma, qa synergastei me ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo kai ton k. Papantwnioy gia qemata poy aforoyn thn politikh ejoplismwn kai th xrhmatodothsh ths politikhs ayths.

Thn Tetarth, to prwi, qa synergastei me thn Ypoyrgo Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs Basw Papandreoy, gia qemata armodiothtas ths, enocei synedriashs toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, me qema ta problhmata ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs, poy qa ginei syntoma. Argotera, stis 12.30, qa proedreysei se synedriash ths diypoyrgikhs epitrophs gia thn Olympiada toy 2004, me th symmetoxh kai allwn paragontwn. To apogeyma, qa parastei kai qa milhsei sta grafeia toy PASOK, se synanthsh-sygkentrwsh ekproswpwn twn kommatikwn organwsewn toy Kinhmatos.

Thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qema thn politikh gia thn Apasxolhsh poy sxediazei kai akoloyqei h kybernhsh.

Sas enhmerwnw oti, kat` arxas, sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy problepotan oti thn erxomenh Paraskeyh qa episkeptotan to nomo Grebenwn. H episkech ayth anaballetai, logw twn synqhkwn poy diamorfwnontai meta tis teleytaies pyrkagies. Einai endexomeno, sto neo sxediasmo toy programmatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, na symperilhfqei episkech se topoys poy plhttontai apo pyrkagies.

Epishs, sas enhmerwnw oti thn epomenh ebdomada, 18 Ioylioy, o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei th Filippoypolh, sto plaisio ths dimeroys synergasias mas me th Boylgaria. Exete th dynatothta na symmetasxete se ayth thn apostolh. Parakalw na to dhlwsete stis armodies yphresies mas.

Qa moy epitrecete na sas enhmerwsw oti h kybernhsh analambanei prwtoboylia, me stoxo thn eyaisqhtopoihsh twn politwn enantion ths tromokratias. Proxwroyme se mia symbolikh energeia, h opoia qa ekdhlwqei thn erxomenh Tetarth, stis 12 to meshmeri, me thn thrhsh sighs enos leptoy, se diafores yphresies kai thn ekpomph, thn idia wra, apo ta MME enos mhnymatos, to opoio pisteyoyme oti symballei sthn kateyqynsh ths peraiterw eyaisqhtopoihshs twn politwn kata ths tromokratias.

Qelw, epishs, me aformh syzhthseis poy ginontai, na sas enhmerwsw oti den problepetai na yparjei opoiadhpote nea forologikh ryqmish. To forologiko nomosxedio ths kybernhshs qa perilambanei osa exoyme ejaggeilei prin apo tis ekloges. Me systhmatiko tropo qa efarmosoyme tis ejaggelies aytes. Den anamenetai opoiadhpote allh allagh sth forologikh politikh mas, kata thn erxomenh periodo.

Oson afora to fainomeno twn pyrkagiwn poy ekdhlwqhkan me entono tropo tis teleytaies hmeres, qa moy epitrecete, poly syntoma, na sas enhmerwsw oti pragmati, h katastash htan ektakth, logw akraiwn kairikwn fainomenwn poy eixan para polles dekaeties na ekdhlwqoyn. H drash twn armodiwn yphresiwn krinetai qetikh. H kinhtopoihsh egine me bash synoliko sxedio kai htan amesh. Ekdhlwqhkan 150 pyrkagies, xqes, sthn Ellada. Shmera, exoyme ena mikro ariqmo pyrkagiwn. Pisteyoyme oti kata to megalytero pososto toys qa antimetwpistoyn kai qa katasbestoyn oi pyrkagies aytes, isws kai entos ths hmeras, me th drash twn pyrosbestikwn arxwn, th symbolh twn eqelontwn kai allwn armodiwn yphresiwn.

Prepei na sas pw oti ayth thn wra exoyme pyrkagies sth Samo, th Fqiwtida, to Mantoydi, to Bolo, th Qaso kai thn perioxh ths Korinqoy. H maxh sto metwpo ths fwtias einai synexhs. Elpizoyme na exoyme kala nea sto telos ths hmeras.

Epeidh, eidikws gia th Samo diatypwnontai kapoia parapona apo topikoys paragontes gia kaqysterhmenh, kata th dikh toys apoch, antidrash twn armodiwn yphresiwn, prepei na sas enhmerwsw oti to brady ths prohgoymenhs Pempths, stis 9.30, eidopoihqhke to kentro, prokeimenoy na apostalei bohqeia. Pragmati, stis 12 ta mesanyxta, ena C 130 metefere 100 andres kai ena armatagwgo apepleyse me proorismo th Samo. Me ayto metaferqhkan sto nhsi 18 oxhmata. O ejoplismos, o opoios xrhsimopoieitai einai poly shmantikos, opws epishs kai o ariqmos twn andrwn ths Pyrosbestikhs. Diaqetoyme anqrwpino dynamiko kai mesa, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme to problhma poy dhmioyrghqhke.

Me thn eykairia ayth, yposhmeiwnw oti kai se alles xwres ths Eyrwphs, toy eyrwpaikoy notoy ths Mesogeioy, exoyme ekdhlwsh analogwn fainomenwn. Apo apoch dynamikothtas, emeis exoyme sth diaqesh mas mesa, ta opoia yperteroyn, se sxesh me ta mesa poy diaqetoyn alles, poly megalyteres apo th dikh mas, xwres. Anaferw ena stoixeio, to opoio einai xarakthristiko: me ta mesa poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas, exoyme th dynatothta na rixnoyme 227 tonoys neroy ana wra, enw, fer` eipein, ta mesa poy diaqetei h Gallia exoyn th dynatothta na rixnoyn 120 tonoys neroy ana wra h ta mesa poy diaqetei h Italia exoyn th dynatothta na rixnoyn 110 tonoys neroy ana wra.

Sth Samo briskontai, 700 andres toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos. Gnwrizete oti dhmioyrghqhkan problhmata. Ayth thn wra poy miloyme, dinoyn maxh sta diafora metwpa 700 andres. Eixame aifnidies metaboles ths kateyqynshs toy anemoy. Ayto ekane poly dyskolo to ergo twn pyrosbestikwn yphresiwn, opws epishs eixame fwties ychlhs peykhs, se megales ektaseis, kati poy epishs kanei dyskolh thn katasbesh. Ara, loipon, h rich neroy den einai pantote to idio apotelesmatikh.

Den proxwrw se alla epimeroys stoixeia, gia na mh sas koyrazw. Qa apanthsw se sxetikes erwthseis, ean xreiastei. Prepei na pw oti apo ta stoixeia poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas, kapoies fwties einai fanero oti exoyn proklhqei apo emprhsmoys. Allwste, exoyn ginei syllhceis ypeyqynwn kai exei epilhfqei toy qematos h Dikaiosynh, p.x. gia thn pyrkagia stoys Gargalianoys kai to Grammatiko. Se alles periptwseis, exoyme oles tis endeijeis oti prokeitai gia emprhsmo. Milw gia thn pyrkagia sth Zakynqo, opoy gnwrizete oti breqhke emprhstikos mhxanismos. Kai, bebaiws, se alles periptwseis, mallon se ameleia h se aytoanaflejh ylikwn mporei na apodoqei h pyrkagia poy ekdhlwqhke kata topoys.

Ayta se poly genikes grammes apo th dikh moy pleyra.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti h drash twn armodiwn yphresiwn krinetai qetikh. Dhladh, krinetai qetikh kai sth Samo; Ti allo eprepe na ginei; Den emeine tipota ekei.

REPPAS: Asfalws, kai sth Samo krinetai qetikh h drash twn armodiwn yphresiwn. Qa prepei pantote na exete ypoch sas oti h maxh dinetai ypo antijoes synqhkes, me fainomena akraia. Ayta ta kairika fainomena den eixan ekdhlwqei sthn patrida mas edw kai dekaeties. O megalos ariqmos twn meswn kai twn andrwn poy exoyn afosiwqei se ayto to ergo peiqei oti to kratos einai paron me oles tis dynameis poy diaqetei. Kaqenas, bebaiws, qa hqele dipla sto diko toy spiti, th dikh toy perioysia na yparxei kai mia eidikh yphresia. Katanooyme thn pikra kai th stenoxwria twn anqrwpwn poy exoyn plhgei apo tis pyrkagies aytes. Gi` ayto to logo, allwste, kybernhtika klimakia briskontai kai sth Samo kai th Fqiwtida, opoy eixame ta dyo megalytera metwpa pyrkagiwn. Ta metra poy qa laboyme qa anakoyfisoyn aytoys poy exoyn plhgei. Ayto einai kai to nohma ths ekei paroysias ypoyrgwn kai yfypoyrgwn, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyn epitopoy kai amesws me ton kalytero tropo ta opoia problhmata exoyn prokycei. Qa prepei na anaferqw kai sth sygkinhtikh prospaqeia poy me aytaparnhsh kataballoyn oi andres toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos. Ayto den qa prepei na to agnooyme. Pragmatika, me bash mia kalh proetoimasia kai ena sygkekrimeno sxedio exoyn apodoqei se ayton ton agwna. Ta apotelesmata poy exoyme, bebaiws den einai eyxarista, giati exoyme katastrofh apo tis pyrkagies. Omws, peiqoyn oti h prospaqeia poy egine apo tis armodies yphresies htan systhmatikh, htan mia prospaqeia poy deixnei oti exoyme mesa kai pws exoyme katastrwsei sxedio gia na antimetwpizoyme tetoia fainomena. Pantws, logw twn ektaktwn synqhkwn oi katastrofes einai ektetamenes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, oi pyrkagies pantote ektaktes einai. Den anaboyn pyrkagies xwris aera. Aytes oi ektaktes periptwseis prepei na antimetwpizontai. Prin apo ligo kairo eixe ginei Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gi` ayto to qema kai eixate pei oti einai ola etoima. Giati den mporesate@

REPPAS: Asfalws einai ola etoima kai ayto akribws apodeiknyetai apo ton tropo me ton opoio antedrasan oi armodies yphresies. Se mikro xroniko diasthma eparkeis dynameis kai analoga mesa breqhkan stis perioxes opoy eprepe na doqei h maxh. Prepei na pw oti exoyn sbhstei oi perissoteres pyrkagies. Apo tis 150 poy ekdhlwqhkan xqes, shmera exoyn perioristei se ligoteres apo deka. Ayto deixnei oti einai apotelesmatikh h parembash twn meswn. Epanalambanw oti katanooyme apolytws ton tropo me ton opoio miloyn aytoi poy exoyn plhgei. Omws, oloi qa prepei na antilhfqoyn oti ta mesa poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas -ta opoia, epanalambanw, einai ta perissotera kai ta kalytera, mporw na pw, apo oles tis xwres toy eyrwpaikoy notoy poy antimetwpizoyn analoga problhmata@

STAMATOPOYLOS: To apotelesma poio einai;

REPPAS: To apotelesma einai sxetika ikanopoihtiko. Deite ti egine sthn Italia. H geitonikh xwra zhthse th bohqeia mas, alla dystyxws den eixame th dynatothta na ths thn prosferoyme, afoy diaqetoyme tis dynameis sta dika mas metwpa. Den qa prepei na paragnwrisete @giati polloi, milwntas me ayton ton tropo ekei telikws odhgoyntai- thn prospaqeia poy kanoyn oi dynameis toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos. Kai prepei na pw @mias kai diatypwnontai parapona apo topikoys paragontes- oti yparxei kai h fwnh topikwn paragontwn allwn perioxwn poy pragmatika anagnwrizoyn th syntonismenh prospaqeia twn kratikwn yphresiwn, xwris aytoi na anhkoyn sthn kybernhtikh paratajh. Deite p.x. to Nomarxh Fqiwtidas, prwhn boyleyth ths Neas Dhmokratias, o opoios se dhlwseis toy anagnwrise dhmosiws th qetikh prospaqeia twn armodiwn yphresiwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Blepw to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai den anaferetai poyqena, den ton endiaferei na syzhthsei to qema twn pyrkagiwn, den apasxolei thn kybernhsh, den apasxolei ton idio;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete, poly kala, oti mesa sto Sabbatokyriako eginan treis syskeceis stis opoies prohdreyse h armodia ypoyrgos. O Prwqypoyrgos, amesws molis epestrece, xqes, apo th Germania eixe epikoinwnia me thn k. Papandreoy kai edwse kateyqynseis. Einai poly piqano, epeidh einai synexhs h epafh toys, aytes tis hmeres na proedreysei se analogh syskech, efoson ayto kriqei aparaithto. Alla, h kybernhsh einai plhrhs. H kybernhsh den einai monon o Prwqypoyrgos. Oi ypoyrgoi exoyn armodiothtes. O Prwqypoyrgos einai se synexh kai stenh epikoinwnia mazi toys kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys. To oti ypoyrgika klimakia briskontai kai sth Samo kai th Fqiwtida ayto kai mono dinei apanthsh stoys isxyrismoys sas, etsi opws yponoeitai apo thn erwthsh sas, oti o Prwqypoyrgos mporei na mhn endiaferetai.

ELENOPOYLOS: Eipate, prohgoymenws, oti to programma, poy aforoyse episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sta Grebena, anaballetai kai yparxei piqanothta episkechs se perioxes poy exoyn plhgei apo tis pyrkagies. Ayto, pote qa ginei; Ekeines tis hmeres h nwritera;

REPPAS: Ayto, kat` arxas, gia ekeines tis hmeres. Alla einai kati, to opoio, qa moy epitrecete, na mhn prodikasw apo twra, doqentos oti h ebdomada ayth, symfwna kai me tis probleceis twn metewrologwn, qa einai mia -as to pw etsi- dyskolh ebdomada.

ELENOPOYLOS: Kata to protypo ths prwtoboylias eyaisqhtopoihshs twn politwn gia qemata tromokratias, skopeyei h kybernhsh na analabei kapoia prwtoboylia eyaisqhtopoihshs twn politwn, twn armodiwn yphresiwn, twn forewn kai twn organismwn gia qemata poy aforoyn to periballon;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti ston tomea ayto exoyme oloklhrwmenh politikh, h opoia syxna synanta thn antidrash topikwn forewn. Exoyme to prosfato paradeigma sta Xania ths Krhths, poy deixnei oti sthn prospaqeia mas ayth qa prepei na antipalecoyme me nootropies kai stereotypa dekaetiwn. H prospaqeia poy kanoyme, pisteyw kai se ayto ton tomea, einai shmantikh. Hdh, exoyn anadeixqei polles perioxes ths Elladas. H perioxh poy eprokeito p.x. na episkefqei o Prwqypoyrgos, ta Grebena, opoy brisketai kai h Balia Kalnta, apotelei ena biotopo apo toys monadikoys se olh thn Eyrwph. Alla, se teleytaia analysh, h prostasia toy periballontos einai qema politismoy, qema agwghs. Afora thn kaqhmerinh zwh kai thn askhsh eyqynhs toy kaqe polith. H eyaisqhtopoihsh einai kati poy den didasketai kai gia to opoio kai h politeia exei eyqynh, alla kai oi polites qa prepei na analambanoyn tis dikes toys eyqynes.

MPOTWNHS: Eipate gia 150 metwpa pyrkagiwn. Ektos apo orismenes poy einai, eite apo aprosejia, eite apo ameleia k.t.l. @

REPPAS: Sthn patrida sas eipa oti breqhke emprhstikos mhxanismos. Ara, exoyme mia poly isxyrh endeijh oti prokeitai gia emprhsmo.

MPOTWNHS: Epeidh kai o k. Ebert eipe gia parembash, h kybernhsh skeptetai na kanei kapoies ereynes, se ayto to kommati. Einai aplws kapoioi katapathtes poy bazoyn fwtia kaqe xrono kai ebalan kai twra h einai tipote allo;

REPPAS: Polites poy exoyn syllhfqei kai fainetai na enexontai se tetoies drasthriothtes, exoyn parapemfqei sta organa ths Dikaiosynhs. Hdh, exoyn ekdoqei kai apofaseis se kapoies periptwseis kai exoyn epiblhqei poines. Den mporei kapoios, me kathgorhmatiko tropo, na pei poios einai o logos gia ton opoio kapoioi proxwroyn se tetoies energeies. Mporei kaqenas na kanei tis ektimhseis toy. Kai antilambaneste pws sto plaisio aytwn twn ektimhsewn kai ayto poy eseis rwtate, exei th qesh toy.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Apo tis 150 pyrkagies poy mas eipate, yparxei kapoios prwtos apologismos ths ektashs twn katastrofwn poy exoyn ginei; Dhladh, posa stremmata, posa spitia exoyn kaei; Yparxei kapoia eikona;

REPPAS: Exoyme nekrh mia hlikiwmenh gynaika. Gnwrizete to peristatiko. Kapoia spitia exoyn katastrafei. O akribhs ariqmos, ayth thn wra, den einai gnwstos. Ypologiste oti einai peripoy 20 ayta ta spitia, se diafores perioxes. Oi ektaseis, epishs, den einai dynato, ayth thn wra, na prosdioristoyn me apolyth akribeia, doqentos oti exoyme ejelijh se diafora metwpa. Ayto to opoio eipa kai epanalambanw einai oti apo tis 150 pyrkagies poy eixame xqes, shmera o ariqmos einai katw apo 10.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Eipate, prin, gia kapoia metra poy qa parete gi` aytoys poy exoyn plhgei. Ti aforoyn ayta ta metra;

REPPAS: Aforoyn thn oikonomikh enisxysh toys kai th dynatothta poy toys prosferei to kratos na epanentaxqoyn omala sthn koinwnikh kai epaggelmatikh zwh toys. Otan exoyme tetoia ektakta fainomena, gnwrizete poly kala pws yparxei mia eidikh politikh poy akoloyqeitai se aytes tis periptwseis.

FILHS: Metadoqhke oti o k. Abramopoylos diamhnyse sth Samo oti h Aqhna einai konta ths. Epishs, metadoqhke oti o k. Xristodoylos protiqetai na paei sth Samo. Yparxei kapoia epikoinwnia toy k. Abramopoyloy h toy k. Xristodoyloy me thn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw an exoyn epikoinwnhsei me kapoioys ypoyrgoys. Gnwrizw poly kala, omws, oti h kybernhsh kanei oso kalytera mporei to ergo ths. Apo ekei kai pera, krinw qetiko to gegonos oti kai alloi paragontes ths koinwnikhs zwhs ekdhlwnoyn analogo endiaferon.

KARASABBA: Exoyn ekkenwqei toyristikes perioxes kai exoyn parqei eidika metra gia toys toyristes;

REPPAS: Den kindyneyoyn oikismoi, pleon, sth Samo. Exei elegxqei to metwpo ths pyrkagias, para to oti, bebaiws, h pyrkagia mainetai akomh me kateyqynsh pros to eswteriko toy nhsioy. Ayth thn wra, exei apofeyxqei o kindynos. Alla, prepei na pw oti oso paramenei se ejelijh mia pyrkagia, oi isxyroi anemoi, efoson allazoyn kai kateyqynsh, ontws mporei na dhmioyrghsoyn megalo problhma.

KARASABBA: Milw gia toys toyristes.

REPPAS: H pyrkagia poy einai se ejelijh den brisketai se toyristikes perioxes, alla sto eswteriko toy nhsioy.

SOYRMELH: Prwton, qa hqela na rwthsw, ean exete ypologisei tis zhmies se xrhmata. Deyteron, ean se olh ayth th diarkeia twn pyrkagiwn eginan ekkenwseis jenodoxeiwn. Kai triton, an mporeite na mas peite kati perissotero gi` ayto to mhnyma poy prokeitai na metadwsete, thn Tetarth, kata ths tromokratias.

REPPAS: Oson afora to prwto qema, einai poly nwris gia na mporei kapoios na kanei enan ypologismo. Oson afora to deytero qema, den breqhkan se kindyno jenodoxeiakes egkatastaseis, wste na proklhqei h anagkh metakinhshs twn enoikwn. Oson afora to trito qema, sas eipa oti einai symboliko to mhnyma ayto, prokeimenoy na eyaisqhtopoihqoyn oi polites. Me poly aplo, alla eyqybolo tropo, qa steiloyme ena mhnyma, ws kratos kai ws koinwnia, se oloys ekeinoys poy, me tetoies prajeis, skiazoyn ton politismo mas, afairwntas anqrwpines zwes.

SOYRMELH: Me poia eykairia; Giati thn Tetarth;

REPPAS: Epeidh mas exei apasxolhsei to qema ayto, 40 hmeres meta th dolofonia toy stelexoys ths bretanikhs presbeias, qewroyme pws einai kalh h xronikh stigmh. Kapoioi, bebaiws, gnwrizoyn oti h sygkyria kataklyzetai apo tis pyrkagies. Emeis, omws, qa prepei na ergazomaste se oloys toys tomeis, opws p.x. qa synedriasei to kybernhtiko organo gia thn apasxolhsh. Qa steiloyme ayto to mhnyma eyaisqhtopoihshs, enw, taytoxrona, oi armodies yphresies kai oloi osoi emplekontai amesws h emmesws, qa katabaloyn prospaqeia gia na antimetwpisoyme tis pyrkagies poy exoyn ekdhlwqei.

KARASABBA: Qa periorisete ayto to spots gia thn tromokratia sto sygkekrimeno qema toy Sonters h qa einai pio geniko;

REPPAS: Einai ena politiko mhnyma me stoxo thn eyaisqhtopoihsh olwn mas apenanti se tetoies energeies.

FILHS: Prin apo dyo hmeres, ekleise allh mia xronia, allh mia ``epeteios'' apo th dolofonia enos paidioy, toy Ajarlian, apo th 17 N, sto kentro toy Syntagmatos. Giati den epilejate ayth thn hmeromhnia na steilete to symboliko mhnyma, poy einai parapleyro;

REPPAS: Ola ta qymata, se aytes tis periptwseis, einai qymata. Oloi xanoyn th zwh toys me ayto ton apexqh tropo. Apofasisame na analaboyme ayth thn prwtoboylia kai gi` ayto epilejame thn erxomenh Tetarth. Den to syndyazoyme me kapoio eidiko peristatiko. Apla, epeidh eixame ena prosfato tromokratiko xtyphma, qewrhsame oti h periodos ayth einai katallhlh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, se synergasia me th bretanikh kybernhsh, exei analabei mia allh prwtoboylia kai ayrio to prwi, sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, organwnetai mia hmerida, ena seminario, opoy ypoyrgoi kai alla stelexh twn dyo kybernhsewn qa anaptyjoyn tis qeseis toys gia thn antimetwpish twn qematwn aytwn kai to xeirismo toys. Qewrhsame oti h Tetarth, einai mia hmera poy endeiknytai gia mia tetoia prwtoboylia. Den to syndyasame me kapoio eidiko peristatiko.

KONTOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh protiqetai na analabei prwtoboylies gia nomoqetikes ryqmiseis poy aforoyn to qema twn pyrkagiwn. Opws, gia paradeigma, na kanei pio aysthres tis poines h na epikhryjei toys emprhstes, k.t.l.

REPPAS: Einai eparkhs h nomoqesia. Oi dikastes, otan exoyn apenanti toys kapoion ypopto kai kaloyntai na ton dikasoyn, pisteyw oti epiballoyn poines, oi opoies mporei na exoyn apotelesma. To qema, omws, einai na exoyn apenanti toys kapoion na dikasoyn. To qema einai na syllaboyme emprhstes. Kai ayto einai to megalo problhma, to opoio qa prepei na antimetwpisoyme.

TAKHS: Xqes, o Arxiepiskopos, sth radiofwnikh toy ekpomph, eipe prwton, oti einai qyma mias mayrhs propagandas poy, kata periptwsh, ekporeyetai apo thn kybernhsh kai deyteron, anaferomenos se aytoys poy, opws eipe, qeloyn na apoqrhskopoihsoyn to kratos, eipe oti to idio ekane o Stalin, o Tsaoyseskoy kai o Moysoylini kai apetyxan. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh, oxi mono den exei sxesh me ola ayta poy isxyrizetai o Makariotatos, alla qewrei pws einai anajia logoy, wste na xreiazetai na parembei. Gnwrizete poly kala oti exoyme diatypwsei, me plhrh epignwsh ths eyqynhs poy analambanoyme, thn telikh qesh mas gia ena qema poy afora thn prostasia twn proswpikwn dedomenwn. Ola ta alla, ta opoia legontai, einai isxyrismoi poy den exoyn antikrisma alhqeias. Den aforoyn thn kybernhsh. H kybernhsh den mporei na parakoloyqhsei mia tetoioy eidoys drasthriothta, h opoia, se teleytaia analysh, oxi mono den apotelei ergo ths, alla pisteyw oti an to ekane, an thn parakoloyqoyse, qa dhmioyrgoyse perissotera problhmata, giati qa yponomeye thn koinwnikh synoxh, alla kai thn epikentrwsh twn prospaqeiwn mas sta megala metwpa opoy dinoyme maxes kai apo thn ekbash aytwn twn maxwn qa kriqei h poreia ths xwras ta epomena xronia. Me ayta asxoleitai h kybernhsh, giati o ellhnikos laos gi` ayto to ergo thn chfise.

TAKHS: O k. Xristodoylos, gia to qema twn taytothtwn, mias kai anaferqhkate, eipe oti den prokeitai na kanei pisw, dioti diaforetika qa prodide to lao. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Einai oi apoceis toy Makariotatoy, oi opoies einai sebastes. Emeis gnwrizoyme oti exoyme mia katagrafh ths laikhs qelhshs, prosfata kiolas. Apo tis ekloges toy prohgoymenoy Aprilioy, anadeixqhke h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras. Askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys, ekproswpwntas to lao. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti h laikh kyriarxia einai systatiko stoixeio mias dhmokratias kai h laikh kyriarxia apotypwnetai sto Koinoboylio kai th kybernhsh, thn opoia sthrizei h pleiochfia toy Koinoboylioy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Proeklogika den to eixate pei ayto gia tis taytothtes@

REPPAS: O nomos einai o nomos toy 1997. Eseis poy eiste toso epimelhs dhmosiografos, pws den eixate anadeijei ayto to qema, to opoio qewreite oti einai toso shmantiko; O nomos aytos exei chfistei apo to 1997.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati allo na rwthsw, an bghke h egkyklios@

REPPAS: Exw dwsei kat@ epanalhch apanthsh gia to qema ayto. Epanalambanw oti einai qema ligoy xronoy h oloklhrwsh mias diadikasias poy afora armodies yphresies. Den einai politiko zhthma h diaxeirish toy qematos aytoy. Synista diekperaiwsh mias yphresiakhs energeias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie ypoyrge, egrafh oti edwse entolh o prwqypoyrgos ston k. Xrysoxoidh, entos ths ebdomados na steilei egkyklio efarmoghs gia tis nees taytothtes. Einai alhqeia;

REPPAS: Den xreiazetai na doqei entolh apo ton prwqypoyrgo ston armodio ypoyrgo. To qema ayto exoyn analabei oi armodies yphresies, oi opoies qa to feroyn se peras.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Meta th gnwsth dhmosiopoihsh toy sxedioy-teratoyrghma toy Ntenktas, sthn oysia o diakoinotikos dialogos tinazetai ston aera. O idios o Ntenktas malista, afoy ejybrise syllhbdhn thn ellhnikh pleyra, proteinei ws monadikh lysh toy Kypriakoy th synomospondia kai th synetairikh sxesh metajy Ellhnwn kai Toyrkokypriwn, enw eimai ypoxrewmenos na sas pw oti oi katoxikes dynameis diathroyn akoma kai edraiwnoyn tis qeseis toys sta Strobilia. Qa hqela na kanete mia genikoterh dhlwsh.

REPPAS: Prwta-prwta, apodeiknyetai gia mia akomh fora oti h Toyrkia kai o Ntenktas den einai etoimoi na symbaloyn, estw kata to elaxisto, se mia qetikh proseggish gia th lysh toy kypriakoy qematos. Pisteyoyme oti h politikh stash toys einai apokalyptikh twn proqesewn ths Toyrkias kai toy Ntenktas. Kai ayto qa prepei na epishmanqei. Na apodoqoyn eyqynes se aytoys poy throyn ayth th stash, katapatwntas Apofaseis kai Chfismata toy OHE. Kata ta alla, oi protaseis poy diatypwnei o Ntenktas, aytes toylaxiston poy eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas kai aytes sxoliazoyme, den einai dynato na apotelesoyn shmeio anaforas. Den einai dynato na apotelesoyn opoiadhpote bash gia peraiterw syzhthsh, oson afora to kypriako qema.

Einai fanero, oti prospaqoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn tetelesmena h Toyrkia kai o Ntenktas. Sth stash toys ayth h dieqnhs Koinothta -kai oxi monon h Ellada- einai sqenara antimetwph. Qewrw pws den exei, isws, prohgoymeno sthn istoria ths pagkosmias koinothtas, olos o kosmos na exei labei mia safh qesh gia ena sygkekrimeno qema kai na antidra h mia pleyra, h opoia malista gia thn apolyta arnhtikh stash ths fainetai na menei sxetika anenoxlhth, wste na exei thn polyteleia na diathrei th qesh ayth.

BITALHS: Kati symplhrwmatiko: En pash periptwsei, me ayte tis protaseis poy exei kataqesei o k. Ntenktas peri synomospondias kai olwn twn synafwn poy eipe o k. Kwnstantinidhs, blepei h ellhnikh pleyra periqwrio synexishs twn diakoinotikwn synomiliwn sth Geneyh;

REPPAS: To qema ayto to xeirizetai ypeyqyna o proedros Klhridhs kai h kypriakh kybernhsh. Exoyn anakoinwsei oti qa symmetasxoyn se ena neo gyro synomiliwn. Asfalws o dieqnhs paragwn, o OHE parathrei kai ajiologei th stash kaqe pleyras. Kai ayto pisteyoyme oti den mporei, para na barynei ston teliko xeirismo poy qa kanei o OHE. Giati den einai amelhtea -kaqe allo- h apolyta arnhtikh stash toy Ntenktas kai ths Toyrkias sto qema ayto.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Gia ta Strobilia den eipate.

REPPAS: Gia ta Srobilia kaname dhlwseis tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Parapempoyme se ayth th qesh. Qewroyme pws h epixeirhsh na allajei to statoys sthn perioxh, einai mia kinhsh, poy ektos twn allwn strefetai kai enantion toy OHE, se shmeio, na ejeytelizei to Dieqnh Organismo, o opoios paroysiazetai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh adynamos na antidrasei kai na labei kapoia apotelesmatika metra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie ypoyrge, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, meta apo aytes tis ejelijeis, zhthse ``pagwma'' toy ellhnotoyrkikoy dialogoy. Qa ginei;

REPPAS: Apanthsame se ayto to qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To eipe, proxqes, sth Mosxa.

REPPAS: Eipe o k. Tsoxatzopoylos -kai den to leei monon o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, oyte to leei gia prwth fora- oti h oristikh ejomalynsh twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn den mporei na prokycei, para monon an h Toyrkia paraithqei apo tis monomereis ajiwseis ths kai an lyqei, bebaiws, to kypriako problhma. Alla apo kei kai pera, gnwrizete oti den tiqetai qema politikoy dialogoy h politikhs diapragmateyshs Elladas kai Toyrkias. Oi diadikasies epikoinwnias poy einai se ejelijh, paramenoyn. Ayto to opoio kaqe fora prepei na epishmainetai, einai h enisxysh ths qeshs ths Elladas meta kai tis apofaseis sth Synodo Koryfhs toy Elsinki kai h antimetwpish twn qematwn apo mia kalyterh qesh. Emeis exoyme apodeijei sthn prajh oti sebomaste kanones kai epiqymoyme na eimaste mia dynamh poy prowqei th staqerothta sthn perioxh, alla qa prepei apo ayth thn katastash sthn opoia briskomaste shmera na jefygoyme pros ta empros. Kai gia na ginei ayto katorqwto qa prepei h Toyrkia na kanei ta bhmata poy ths analogoyn. Kai mexri twra, den ta exei kanei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, den stamataei o dialogos@

REPPAS: Deite, k. Stamatopoyle@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lew oti ayto poy eipe o k. Tsoxatzopoylos den ginetai.

REPPAS: Apanthsa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den apanthsate. Eipate gia ola ta alla ektos apo ayto.

REPPAS: Apanthsa apolytws. Kai sas lew kai pali oti den stamata o politikos dialogos, giati den yparxei politikos dialogos. Den jekinhse politikos dialogos.

BITALHS: Oi dieyqyntes twn ypoyrgeiwn;

REPPAS: Eipa oti h diadikasia epikoinwnias einai se ejelijh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: A, to leme diadikasia epikoinwnias twra.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti einai syzhthsh gia epimeroys qemata epi twn opoiwn exoyn ginei symfwnies kai exoyn ypografei ta keimena ayta. Ayto isxyei. Den akyrwnetai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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