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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 5 Ioynioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw, en syntomia, gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy tis prosexeis hmeres:

Shmera to prwi exei seira synanthsewn-synergasiwn. Dexqhke to boyleyth k. Soymakh. Ayth thn wra synergazetai me to dioikhth ths Emporikhs Trapeza k. Gewrgoytsako. Stis 2 m.m. qa dexqei to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy Kinhmatos Kwsta Skandalidh. To apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos, sto plaisio ekdhlwsewn, me aformh ton eortasmo ths hmeras toy periballontos, qa episkefqei thn ekqesh me qema ``Oikologikh domhsh'', sto Gkazi kai qa ekfwnhsei omilia me analogo periexomeno.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei ton Proedro toy Kthmatologioy k. Panteka. Argotera, to meshmeri qa exei thlefwnikh epikoinwnia me ton proedreyonta ths E.E., ton Portogalo Prwqypoyrgo k. Gkoytieres. Gnwrizete oti enocei ths Synodoy Koryfhs, o proedreywn, synhqizetai na episkeptetai tis prwteyoyses twn kratwn-melwn. Ayto den qa ginei sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, gi` ayto kai oi thlefwnikes epikoinwnies. Gia arketh wra, loipon, qa syzhthsoyn oi dyo hgetes, enocei ths Synodoy Koryfhs sto Porto ths Portogalias.Ayrio, to brady, o Prwqypoyrgos qa paraqesei deipno ston Ispano Prwqypoyrgo k. Aqnar, o opoios episkeptetai epishmws th xwra mas.

Thn Tetarth, qa diejaxqoyn oi synomilies me ton Ispano Prwqypoyrgo. Qa jekinhsoyn stis 12 to meshmeri kai sth synexeia qa doqei synenteyjh Typoy, opws synhqizetai se aytes tis periptwseis kai qa akoloyqhsei epishmo geyma pros timhn toy Ispanoy Prwqypoyrgoy. Stis 8 to brady o k. Shmiths qa egkainiasei th nea pteryga toy Moyseioy Mpenakh.

Thn Pempth, stis 7 to apogeyma, qa proedreysei se synedriash ths dieyrymenhs Ektelestikhs Grammateias toy Kinhmatos.

Thn Paraskeyh qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me antikeimeno thn ejetash ths proodoy toy kybernhtikoy ergoy.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi Aggloi egkateleican thn OLYMPIAKH. Qelw na rwthsw poso kostise ayth h istoria, poioi einai ypeyqynoi kai an qa yparjoyn eyqynes.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti to ellhniko dhmosio kai h Olympiakh Aeroporia proxwrhsan, edw kai arketo kairo, se symfwnia me megalh aeroporikh etaireia, opws einai h British Airways , h opoia mesw qygatrikhs etaireias ths anelabe th diaxeirish ths O.A. olo ayto to xroniko diasthma. Exoyn synafqei symbaseis kai eixan teqei stoxoi, sto plaisio aytwn twn symbasewn, oi opoioi den exoyn epiteyxqei. Den einai dynaton aytos o opoios eixe thn eyqynh ths diaxeirishs ths etaireias, na mhn exei kai thn eyqynh gia ta dysmenh apotelesmata, opws qa apospoyse ton epaino an ta apotelesmata ayths ths diaxeirishs htan epityxh. Den qa mpw se leptomereies. Prepei na gnwrizete oti kai h British Airways, kata th diarkeia ayths ths periodoy, allaje ton epikefalhs dieyqynth ths, allaje prosanatolismo sthn politikh ths. Ayto isws epaije kapoio arnhtiko rolo. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai oti shmera briskomaste se ena shmeio opoy qa prepei na antimetwpistei kai pali to problhma ths O.A.. Exei zhthqei, apo toys mexri twra epikefalhs ths O.A., toys ekproswpoys ths etaireias Speedwing na apoxwrhsoyn apo thn hgesia ths etaireias, tis epomenes hmeres. Kai ayto qa ginei.

Shmera, meta thn epistrofh toy k. Papantwnioy apo to Symboylio ypoyrgwn Oikonomikwn, qa yparjei synergasia metajy twn armodiwn ypoyrgwn kai qa lhfqei h sxetikh apofash, prokeimenoy to ellhniko dhmosio, h O.A. na proxwrhsei se synergasia me megalo dieqnh symboylo, wste na lhfqoyn, en synexeia, apofaseis gia thn epilogh ths kalyterhs lyshs se ayto to problhma to opoio yfistatai. Prepei na pw oti o symboylos aytos qa epilegei kai qa analabei na diatypwsei ena plaisio, basei toy opoioy, toys epomenoys mhnes prepei na ginoyn oi epiloges gia to mellon ths O.A., gia thn ekxwrhsh enos posostoy toy metoxikoy kefalaioy ths kai toy management ths etaireias. Alla, ola ayta einai poly prowro na ta skiagrafhsoyme twra, pio sygkrothmena, pio sygkekrimena. Mporoyme na meinoyme se ayto to plaisio. Gnwrizete poly kala oti to qema ths O.A. apasxolhse thn kybernhsh. Pisteyw oti h epilogh ths synergasias poy egine, ekeinh th stigmh, me enan aeroporiko kolosso, opws h B.A., htan mia swsth epilogh. Ta apotelesmata ths diaxeirishs einai gnwsta kai se sas. Gi` ayto, akribws, h O.A. synexizei na brisketai se krish kai prepei na antimetwpisoyme ayth thn krish. Ayto qa kanoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete oti h epilogh einai swsth. To apotelesma, pws den htan swsto;

REPPAS: Htan swsth h epilogh na proxwrhsoyme se synennohsh kai synergasia me enan kolosso ston tomea ayto, opws einai h B.A.. Apo ekei kai pera, h diaxeirish apo thn pleyra toys, den eixe ta epiqymhta apotelesmata. Oi eyqynes apodidontai se aytoys poy eixan tis analoges ejoysies kai armodiothtes gia na odhghsoyn thn O.A., sto na yperbei thn krish, kati poy, ws fainetai, den exoyn kanei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poioi einai aytoi;

REPPAS: H apanthsh poy edwsa, nomizw oti ta perilambanei ola.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa yparjoyn kyrwseis;

REPPAS: Apanthsa. Qa ginei o,ti problepetai sth symbash. Ara, loipon, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh -hmoyn safhs, to eipa allwste prin, hmoyn apokalyptikos- qa isxysei o,ti problepetai sth symbash poy exei synafqei metajy twn dyo pleyrwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw den lew gia thn B.A.. Yparxoyn eyqynes kai apo thn ellhnikh pleyra, aytoi poy parakoloyqoysan, aytoi poy htan ypeyqynoi. Qa yparjoyn eyqynes gi` aytoys;

REPPAS: Poioi parakoloyqoysan kai poioi htan ypeyqynoi, kata th gnwmh sas; Gia na doyme poioi nomizete oti prepei na analaboyn eyqynes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den eixate balei kanenan, dhladh; Etsi, en leykw;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti h sxesh metajy twn dyo pleyrwn apotypwnetai sth symbash poy exei synafqei. Isxyei, loipon, sthn periptwsh mas ayto to opoio problepetai stoys oroys ths symbashs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Aytoi poy toys epelejan, den einai ypeyqynoi;

REPPAS: H B.A. pisteyw oti einai mia ajiopisth etaireia. Shmera poy syzhtoyme oloi exoyn thn idia gnwmh, ki eseis elpizw. Ara, h epilogh synergasias me thn B.A., opws qa mporoyse na einai mia allh megalh etaireia, htan mia epilogh, kat` arxas swsth.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai alhqeia ayto poy leei o k. Pagkalos, oti oi syndikalistes sampotarisan ayth thn epilogh;

REPPAS: Gia th leitoyrgia ths O.A., ews twra, kaqenas exei th dikh toy gnwmh. Den prokeitai na mpw egw se aytes tis leptomereies, doqentos oti oi syndikalistes, apo th dikh toys pleyra, prowqoyn ta qemata toys, me ton tropo poy ekeinoi epilegoyn kai pisteyoyn oti einai orqos. Apo ekei kai pera, ta armodia organa ths O.A. qa prepei na bgaloyn ta symperasmata toys. To qema einai oti h O.A. synexizei na brisketai se krish. Ayto einai poy prepei emeis na antimetwpisoyme twra.

ANTYPAS: Qa hqela na enhmerwqw, an kata thn prosfath synanthsh Klinton-Shmith teqhke to qema ths tromokratias kai an meta th dhmosiopoihsh ths neas ekqeshs exoyn yparjei kapoies epikoinwnies, eite toy Prwqypoyrgoy, eite allwn kybernhtikwn stelexwn me thn amerikanikh pleyra.

REPPAS: Den teqhke tetoio qema kata th syzhthsh poy eixan oi dyo hgetes. Exw ekdwsei sxetikh anakoinwsh, me aformh th gnwstopoihsh ayths ths ekqeshs. Moy dinete thn eykairia, me thn erwthsh sas, na epanelqw kai na pw oti to periexomeno ayths ths ekqeshs den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. H asfaleia ths zwhs twn politwn sthn Ellada einai poly kalh kai pantws, se poly kalytero epipedo apo to epipedo sto opoio brisketai h asfaleia twn politwn se alles xwres. Aytoi poy empneontai kai diatypwnoyn tetoia keimena blepoyn ta pragmata me anqellhnika gyalia kai prosferoyn poly arnhtikh yphresia. Den prokeitai na ginoyn apodektes apo mas tetoioy eidoys kritikes kai aitiaseis.

ANTYPAS: Yphrjan, meta th dhmosiopoihsh ths ekqeshs, kapoies thlefwnikes epafes ths ellhnikhs pleyras me thn amerikanikh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti epishmws h kybernhsh twn HPA exei diatypwsei th qesh, pws den symmerizetai to periexomeno ayths ths ekqeshs.

KARELIAS: Mia erwthsh, se sxesh me to aeroplano. O k. Pagkalos leei oti gnwrizei ton ypeyqyno gia to ``fono'' toy Kranidiwth. Mhpws mporeite na mas peite, an ton jerete ki eseis, gia na to maqei kai h koinh gnwmh;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh anamenei thn ekdosh toy telikoy porismatos apo tis roymanikes arxes. Exoyn teqei orismenes proqesmies, entos twn opoiwn qa prepei na diatypwsoyn sto sxedio porismatos, to opoio perihlqe se gnwsh toys, tis dikes toys parathrhseis alloi foreis ths Elladas kai ths Gallias, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei h roymanikh yphresia sthn ekdosh toy telikoy porismatos. Prin ekdoqei to teliko porisma, apo thn pleyra moy, den mporw na pw otidhpote. Qa anamenoyme thn ekdosh toy porismatos gia na gnwrizoyme pws akribws ejelixqhkan ta pragmata.

KARELIAS: O k. Pagkalos, ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs sas einai. Aytos jerei, eseis den jerete;

REPPAS: Den milhse epi toy qematos aytoy, ws eidikos. Diatypwse mia apoch. Kaqenas mporei na exei apoch, dikaioytai na exei apoch. Ayto poy eimai ypoxrewmenos na kanw egw einai na dhlwsw kai pali pws to porisma apo tis roymanikes arxes den exei ekdoqei kai qa to anamenoyme, prokeimenoy na gnwrizoyme pws akribws synebhsan ta tragika gegonota.

MIXAHL: Den einai toso apla ta pragmata. O k. Pagkalos leei gia sygkekrimeno syndikalisth ths Olympiakhs, to onoma toy den leei mono, kai ayto sas zhtame na maqoyme, o opoios metexei kai sth dioikhsh ths O.A. kai ton opoio kathgorei, ws ``dolofono'' toy peristatikoy poy egine me to Falkon, dedomenoy oti o idios htan ypeyqynos gia tis epiloges twn pilotwn, opoy oles oi endeijeis kai ta porismata lene oti aytoi eftaigan.

REPPAS: Ara, h erwthsh einai an einai aplo to qema h oxi;

MIXAHL: Oxi. To erwthma einai, oti o k. Pagkalos den leei aplws th gnwmh toy, proxwra se mia sygkekrimenh kataggelia, gia deyterh fora, to eixe pei kai sth Boylh se sxetikh syzhthsh, kai epanerxetai kai epanalambanei ayth thn kataggelia. Kai rwtame thn kybernhsh na mas pei, ean prwton, apodexetai ayth thn kataggelia kai deyteron, an ontws thn apodexetai, ti jerete na mas peite kai emas ep` aytoy.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, h apanthsh moy htan plhrhs. Sas eipa oti anamenoyme to porisma, prokeimenoy na gnwrizoyme pws eginan ta pragmata. Einai dynato na rwtate an apodexomaste oti etsi ejelixqhkan ta pragmata; Einai san na lete oti den akoysate tipota apo osa eipa, prin. San na exw ekdwsei, loipon, porisma kai den anamenoyme to porisma apo tis roymanikes arxes. Ma, eipa to entelws antiqeto. Ara, thn apanthsh thn exete. Kai xairomai poy epishmainete ki eseis oti tetoies apoceis diatypwse o k. Pagkalos kai sth Boylh, kata th syzhthsh toy sxetikoy qematos. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti den diatypwnontai tetoies apoceis gia prwth fora. Ayto to opoio, omws, ek meroys ths kybernhshs prepei na pw, twra, einai oti prin ekdoqei to porisma, den mporei opoiosdhpote, gia logariasmo ths kybernhshs, na einai kathgorhmatikos gia ta aitia aytoy toy qliberoy symbantos.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: O k. Pagkalos se synenteyjh toy, shmera, sthn ``Apogeymatinh'' exei ekqesei kai kapoies alles apoceis, opws peri akrodejiwn mesa sto PASOK, gia to temenos k.t.l., gia na mhn ta anaferoyme ola edw. Me ola ayta symfwnei h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala poia einai h politikh ths kybernhshs gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Proxwroyme sthn idrysh aytoy toy Politistikoy Kentroy kai sthn kataskeyh enos temenoys sthn Aqhna, prokeimenoy oi moysoylmanoi, poy zoyn edw h dierxontai apo ayth thn perioxh, na mporoyn na ekteloyn ta qrhskeytika kai latreytika kaqhkonta toys. Kaqenas exei tis dikes toy apoceis. Shmasia exei oti ayto apotelei stoixeio ths politikhs ths Kybernhshs.

KAPPOS: Mesa se peripoy mia ebdomada yphrjan dyo anafores apo amerikanikoys paragontes gia thn tromokratia sthn Ellada. H mia htan sto periodiko ``TIME'' kai h allh h ekqesh toy Kogkresoy. Kai stis dyo periptwseis h kybernhsh antedrase. Qewreite oti antedrase me antidraseis ths idias tajews kai stis dyo periptwseis; Giati, sthn prwth periptwsh toy periodikoy ``TIME'' akoysame xarakthrismoys, opws probokatsia kai kapoies alles tetoies ekfraseis. Enw sth deyterh periptwsh, to qesmiko organo poy legetai Kogkreso kai toy opoioy h ekqesh exei kai politikes epiptwseis, oi xarakthrismoi, kata thn apoch th dikh moy, htan poly elafroteroi.

REPPAS: Ma, milhsa gia anqellhnikh kataskeyh. Ayto qewreite oti einai xarakthrismos, o opoios den apodidei ta pragmata; Kai se teleytaia analysh, epeidh rwtate an qewrei h kybernhsh thn antidrash ths sklhrh h ligotero sklhrh, sas lew oti h kybernhsh antidra etsi kai qewrei thn antidrash ths, se kaqe peristash, orqh. Prepei na antilhfqeite kai eseis pws, kaqe fora, o tropos me ton opoio sxoliazeis h apantas, prepei, metajy twn allwn, na pronoei gia to ti shmasia fainetai oti dineis se ena keimeno, se mia energeia, se mia prajh thn opoia sxoliazeis h dineis apanthsh.

MPOTWNHS: Xqes, o Arxiepiskopos xrhsimopoihse sklhres ekfraseis kata ths kybernhshs. Exete kapoia apanthsh;

REPPAS: Kamia apanthsh, kamia kritikh, kanena sxoliasmo gia ta osa leei o Makariotatos. Einai dikaiwma toy.

KARASABBA: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an qa proxwrhsei h Ellada se kapoio sxetiko diabhma kai an sto metajy exoyn ginei kapoies epafes ellhnikwn arxwn h melwn ths kybernhshs me ton k. Mperns, sxetika me to qema.

REPPAS: Eipa, prin, oti oi epishmoi ekproswpoi ths amerikanikhs kybernhshs den yioqetoyn ayto to periexomeno. Qa elega oti apostasiopoioyntai apo ayto, mexri toy shmeioy na mporei kaneis na ektimhsei oti to apodokimazoyn kiolas. Ayto pisteyoyme oti einai apokalyptiko. Apo ekei kai pera, asfalws, yphrje ayth h epikoinwnia kai epishmws. O amerikanos presbhs, ek meroys ths kybernhshs toy, ekane safes oti den yioqetei tetoies apoceis.

KARASABBA: Den yioqetei eipe o presbhs kai h ka. Olmprait tis kyrwseis, den eipan oti den yioqetoyn to periexomeno.

REPPAS: Kratoyn apostash apo to periexomeno ayto. Den gnwrizw na exoyn kanei kapoia dhlwsh, symfwna me thn opoia symfwnoyn h ekfrazoyn th symfwnia toys me to periexomeno ayto. Gnwrizete eseis kapoia tetoia dhlwsh; Thn ypoqetete. Sas lew, loipon, oti ayto to keimeno den mporei na ginei apodekto apo mas. Den einai tipote allo, para mia anqellhnikh kataskeyh.

KOYIN: Gia olo ayto to qema poy exei dhmioyrghqei sto Kogkreso, mhpws mporeite na mas prosdiorisete, epeidh kai palaiotera exei teqei to qema ths ekdoshs diabathriwn an proxwrei, exei fqasei h Ellada sto shmeio poy mporei na ekdwsei ayta ta diabathria me ton tropo me ton opoio, toylaxiston, qeloyn oi Amerikanoi h oi ypoloipoi, gia na stamathsoyn aytes oi diafores epikriseis; Kai na mas peite pote problepetai oti to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn qa exei etoimo ayto to plaisio.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, qa moy epitrecete na mh symbalw apo thn pleyra moy sth synexish mias syzhthshs, gia ena keimeno sto opoio dinoyme etsi perissoterh shmasia apo o,ti prepei. Apo ekei kai pera, to qema ayto, poy afora th qewrhsh ths bizas, prokeimenoy kapoios na tajidecei stis HPA, apasxolei tis armodies yphresies. Den yparxei kapoia ejelijh. En pash periptwsei, to qema ayto paramenei anoixto.

ARGYROS: Mia erwthsh gia thn Olympiakh. Prwton, poios qa analabei th diaxeirish, meta thn apomakrynsh twn Bretanwn, kai deyteron, se sxesh me ayta poy eipe o k. Pagkalos. Eipe oti qa zhthsei apo to komma na diagrafoyn kapoioi boyleytes kai antiqeta, kapoioi boyleytes bghkan shmera sto radiofwno kai eipan oti qa zhthsoyn kyrwseis gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy. Qa epilhfqei o Prwqypoyrgos kai gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy kai twn boyleytwn;

REPPAS: Exoyn kanei kapoies tetoies protaseis o k. Pagkalos kai kapoioi boyleytes; Den exoyn diatypwsei kati tetoio. Ayto to opoio eipe o kaqenas oti qa kanei, den to exei kanei. Pws qelete na to sxoliasoyme ayth thn wra; Otan ekdhlwqoyn tetoies prwtoboylies, qa antimetwpistoyn analogws, sto plaisio ths armodiothtas kapoioy organoy opoy diatypwnontai oi apoceis aytes kai analambanontai aytes oi prwtoboylies. Apo ekei kai pera, oson afora th dioikhsh ths O.A., epanalambanw oti dioikeitai, kai gia tis epomenes hmeres qa dioikeitai, apo toys gnwstoys se sas armodioys poy exoyn analabei ta ths diaxeirishs ths. To qema ayto qa antimetwpistei aytes tis hmeres kai qa ginoyn gnwstoi kai se sas, aytoi oi opoioi qa analaboyn th dieyqynsh h th diaxeirish ths O.A. gia to diasthma poy mesolabei, mexri na odhghqoyme sto dieqnh diagwnismo, prokeimenoy etsi na antimetwpisoyme ta krisima problhmata ths O.A.

KARGOYDH: Kat` arxas, se sxesh me thn tromokratia, o k. Mperns, xqes, ekane mia dhlwsh, legontas oti eixe epafes me ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh, pros qetikh kateyqynsh. Ayto shmainei oti prepei na anamenoyme thn ypografh toy perifhmoy mnhmonioy apo ton k. Mperns me ton k. Xrysoxoidh;

REPPAS: Den exei prosdioristei sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia, kata thn opoia qa ypografei ayto to mnhmonio astynomikhs synergasias.

KARGOYDH: H deyterh erwthsh poy qelw na kanw einai h ejhs: H ellhnikh kybernhsh protiqetai na probei se allages toy nomoqetikoy plaisioy sxetika me thn antimetwpish ths tromokratias;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei, kat` epanalhch, pws den antimetwpizoyme tetoio qema.

KARGOYDH: Kai h trith erwthsh moy, se sxesh me to FALCON. Epeidh erxetai kai epanerxetai to qema toy porismatos kai h kybernhsh paramenei se mia epishmansh oti apo thn arxh epiqymei thn ekdosh toy porismatos k.l.p. En tw metajy, qa fqasoyme ston ena xrono kai porisma den qa bgei. Skeftetai h kybernhsh na kanei kapoia diabhmata stis roymanikes Arxes gia thn epitaxynsh twn diadikasiwn;

REPPAS: To porisma den to ekdidei h kybernhsh, oyte h kybernhsh mporei na orisei to xronodiagramma gia thn ekdosh toy porismatos. Yparxoyn dieqneis symbaseis, oi opoies throyntai se aytes tis periptwseis. H armodia yphresia sth Roymania exei epifortistei me to sxetiko ergo. Qa prepei na paralabei ta sxolia, tis parathrhseis epi toy sxedioy porismatos poy, kat` arxas, exei katartisei, toso apo tis armodies yphresies ths xwras mas -exei ginei ayto, exoyn apostalei oi parathrhsei mas- oso kai apo tis yphresies allwn xwrwn, ths Gallias, en prokeimenw. Exei teqei mia proqesmia, h opoia lhgei stis arxes toy epomenoy mhna. Antilambaneste pws den einai dynato na epibaloyme emeis monomerws tis diadikasies, oi opoies qa prepei na akoloyqhqoyn sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Qa ginei o,ti ginetai pagiws, se olo ton kosmo, prokeimenoy na antimetwpizontai tetoia qemata.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na ginetai pio katatopistikos. Akoysa thn apanthsh poy dwsate gia thn O.A. ston k. Stamatopoylo kai genikotera kai stoys alloys synadelfoys. Oson afora th diadikasia gia to ti egine kai gia to ti qa ginei, nomizw oti mas enhmerwsate plhrws. Den mas lete, omws, epi ths oysias kai edw yparxoyn zhmies gia to ellhniko dhmosio. Sthn O.A. eginan tria peiramata ejygianshs. Fagwqhkan disekatommyria draxmes.. Dhladh, ayrio eseis qa eiste ikanopoihmenos an diabasete tis efhmerides me thn apanthsh poy mas dinete edw; Dioti mas endiaferei na mas peite gia th diadikasia, pws egine kai pws qa ginei twra sthn O.A.; Mas apantate poies kyrwseis qa lhfqoyn gi aytoys poy einai ypaitioi ayths ths, kata trith fora, zhmias poy yfistatai to ellhniko dhmosio; Kai parakalw, na einai politikh h apanthsh poy qa moy dwsete. Sas eixa rwthsei ki otan egine to dystyxhma me toys aeroporoys kai moy eipate oti einai fortismeno to klima, na mhn anaferqoyme se leptomereies. Poia metra pairnei h kybernhsh gia ola ayta poy ginontai; Poies einai oi kyrwseis kai poioi einai oi ypeyqynoi; Kaqhmerinws peftoyn aeroplana. Qrhnoyme qymata, exoyme mnhmosyna, khdeies. To ``marmaro'' poios qa to plhrwsei; Ayto qelei na diabasei ayrio apo tis efhmerides o kosmos. H diadikasia poy mas lete, oti qa ginoyn kai qa kanoyn, ayta entajei. Se ena eynomoymeno kratos yparxei mia nomimh diadikasia.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola edwsa politikh apanthsh. Eseis den qelete politikh apanthsh. Qelete texnikh apanthsh me eidikotera stoixeia, ta opoia mporeite na antlhsete apo tis armodies yphresies. Kai oi synadelfoi sas toy reportaz toy ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn, ayta ta qemata ta exoyn proseggisei kai kata kairoys exoyn gracei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Politikh erwthsh kanw kai politikh apanthsh qelw.

REPPAS: Kanete laqos. Kaqoloy politikh den htan h erwthsh. Htan apolytws texnikh. Zhthsate epimeroys stoixeia gia diafora qemata, ta opoia oi synadelfoi sas toy eidikoy reportaz -epanalambanw- ta gnwrizoyn kai ta exoyn syxna anadeijei. As mhn leme oti ginontai kaqhmerina tetoioy eidoys atyxhmata, oti kaqhmerina peftoyn aeroplana. Eipa kai me allh eykairia oti o deikths atyxhmatwn gia thn ellhnikh Polemikh Aeroporia den einai tetoios, wste na dikaiologei aythn thn proseggish. Oson afora thn O.A. edwsa politikh apanthsh. Sas lew kai pali, pws otan proxwras se mia synergasia me enan kolosso, opws einai h British Airways , prosdokas oti qa exeis epityxh apotelesmata. To oti den prokyptoyn ayta ta apotelesmata, opws fainetai telikws sthn prajh, einai qema to opoio, asfalws, qa exei synepeies. Tis synepeies aytes qa tis plhrwsoyn ekeinoi oi opoioi kata th symbash poy eixe ypografei askhsan analoges armodiothtes. Ola ayta problepontai. Kai ayta qa efarmostoyn kai sthn prajh.

BITALHS: To eipate kai prohgoymenws, oti yparxoyn eyqynes gia ta dysmenh apotelesmata. Stis symbaseis problepontai terasties apozhmiwseis kai gia ton k. Lints kai gia thn etaireia. Aytes oi apozhmiwseis qa doqoyn kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Tosh wra ti sas apantw; Treis-tesseris apanthseis exw dwsei, hdh, gi ayto to qema. Ti kainoyrgio me rwtate;

BITALHS: Eipate safestata oti yparxoyn eyqynes. Kai to erwthma einai sygkekrimeno: Qa doqoyn apozhmiwseis ston k. Lints kai sthn etaireia; O idios anagnwrise oti exoyn@

REPPAS: Apanthsa s` ola ayta kai hmoyn safestatos, opws ejalloy eipate ki eseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den sas apasxolei oti enas ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs, otan egine to atyxhma me to FALCON eipe ``dolofone paraithsoy'', se ena syndikalisth; Twra erxetai o k. Pagkalos, allos ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs kai leei ``anqrwpos poy einai epikefalhs aytwn twn syndikalistikwn diaplokwn dieyqynei thn etaireia shmera kai einai ypeyqynos gia to fono, gia to qanato toy Giannoy Kranidiwth''. Den sas apasxolei oti dyo melh ths kybernhshs milane gia sygkekrimeno atomo kai ayto to atomo paramenei sth qesh toy panisxyros;

REPPAS: Ayto poy mas apasxolei einai na lamcei h alhqeia. Na ekdoqei to porisma, oso ginetai pio grhgora, symfwna me tis problepomenes diadikasies, prokeimenoy na gnwrisoyme pws ejelixqhsan ta gegonota ayta. Tipota allo den mas apasxolei. Ean pragmatika kapoioi exoyn eyqynes, qa toys apodoqoyn aytes oi eyqynes. Kai qa yparjei -giati to epiqymoyme ayto- aysthrh timwria twn ypeyqynwn. Prin, omws, exoyme sth diaqesh mas ayto to porisma, antilambaneste ki eseis pws den prokeitai ws kybernhsh na epidoqoyme se ena kynhgi magisswn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dyo ypoyrgoi to lene ayto.

REPPAS: Apeyqyneste ston Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo kai exete thn apanthsh ths kybernhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se diaqesimothta den eprepe na teqei aytos o anqrwpos;

REPPAS: Exete ypoch sas th syzhthsh poy egine gia to qema ayto sth Boylh. Den exei prokycei tipota kainoyrgio twra, se sxesh me thn periodo ekeinh, opoy ola ayta diatypwqhkan apo synadelfoys me poly kathgorhmatiko -qa elega- tropo. Apo kei kai pera, den qa ypokatasthsoyme th diadikasia poy einai se ejelijh, oson afora thn ekdosh toy porismatos.

KAPPOS: Apo to Berolino, o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke metajy allwn apajiwtika sto systhma ECHELON. Qelw na rwthsw, poso einai symbath ayth h qesh poy, kat` arxhn einai qetikh, me kapoies plhrofories oti h Ellada se progenesteres politikes periodoys, alla epi kybernhsewn PASOK, eixe symmetasxei se kapoies synanthseis, kata ena tropo, to 1994-1995, sth Bonnh kai sthn Kampera.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti gia diafora qemata se epipedo yphresiakwn paragontwn antallassontai apoceis, ginontai synergasies se dieqnes epipedo. Se mia tetoia synergasia kapoia stigmh, prin apo xronia syzhthqhke ayto to qema. H Ellada den einai dynato na einai apoysa apo tetoies synergasies, otan symmetexoyn polles alles xwres. Den exei, omws, opoiadhpote symmetoxh h Ellada sthn ejelijh aytoy toy systhmatos. Kai en pash periptwsei, den yparxoyn stoixeia poy na mas deixnoyn oti afora thn Ellada h leitoyrgia aytoy toy systhmatos.

GARGALAKOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean exei zhthqei apo thn Ierarxia synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo gia to qema twn taytothtwn kai ta alla qemata;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola ayto poy rwtate einai ypoqetiko. Sto plaisio toy programmatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, asfalws, efoson zhthqei qa antimetwpistei to qema mias synanthshs. Prepei na einai, omws, apo twra safes oti mia tetoia synanthsh den mporei na ginei sth skia astoxwn xarakthrismwn, apeilwn h akomh kai ekbiasmwn. Kai bebaia, antikeimeno mias tetoias synanthshs kai syzhthshs den mporei na einai qemata gia ta opoia thn armodiothta thn exei h Politeia kai monon ayth.

Sas eyxaristw.

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