Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-12-17

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 17 Dekembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase, shmera, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me kentriko antikeimeno ta qemata ths Politistikhs Olympiadas. Gia ta qemata ayta paraxwrei synenteyjh stoys synadelfoys sas h ypoyrgos Politismoy k. Papazwh. Periorizomai, loipon, se mia aplh eisagwgh:

* Opws gnwrizete, eishghqhkame -kai egine dekth h eishghsh ayth- th dhmioyrgia enos neoy qesmoy. H Ellada, peran toy oti anagnwrizetai ws klhronomos enos politismoy poy exei pagkosmio diametrhma, qa prepei na diekdikei th qesh ths sth sygxronh politismikh dhmioyrgia. Pisteyoyme oti h Politistikh Olympiada qa einai mia poly kalh eykairia gia na deijoyme kai to sygxrono politistiko kai politismiko proswpo ths Elladas, alla bebaiws, na dwsoyme kai mia diastash Olympiakh -dhladh planhtikh- sthn politismikh dhmioyrgia. Oi mhxanismoi kai h xrhmatodothsh twn drasthriothtwn aytwn, apoteloyn qema to opoio qa ejetasoyn kai gia to opoio qa laboyn apofaseis oi armodioi ypoyrgoi, dhladh, oi ypoyrgoi oi armodioi gia ta oikonomika kai h ypoyrgos Politismoy.

Meta thn ejelijh poy yphrje, logw ths akyrwshs ths qespishs toy Olympiakoy Binteolotto, to poso twn 20 disekatommyriwn draxmwn poy apaiteitai gia to synolo twn drasthriothtwn ths Politistikhs Olympiadas, qa anazhthqei me diafora xrhmatodotika sxhmata, ta opoia ayth thn wra syzhta h kybernhsh kai gia ta opoia, syntoma, qa katalhjei se apofaseis.

Oson afora th domh ths Politistikhs Olympiadas, mporei na pei kaneis oti h domh ayth anaptyssetai h perilambanei enothtes:

-Sthn prwth enothta, perilambanontai to teletoyrgiko meros, dhladh, h teleth enarjhs kai lhjhs, kaqws kai oi ekdhlwseis poy qa ginoyn sto plaisio kai kata th diarkeia ths Olympiadas. Thn eyqynh gia tis ekdhlwseis aytes exei o Organismos "Aqhna 2004".

-Mia allh enothta, anaferetai ston employtismo twn monimwn qesmwn poy syndeontai me toys Olympiakoys Agwnes, twn qesmwn poy einai kaqierwmenoi kai epanalambanontai kaqe fora, opws einai h afh ths Olympiakhs Flogas, h Olympiakh Akadhmia kai h leitoyrgia ths k. a. Ola ayta apoteloyn synarmodiothta ths Dieqnoys Olympiakhs Epitrophs kai toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy se synergasia me thn Ellhnikh Olympiakh Epitroph.

-Mia allh enothta, afora ton kormo, ton ajona ths Politistikhs Olympiadas, dhladh tis ekdhlwseis poy qa ginoyn sth diarkeia mias oloklhrhs tetraetias, apo to 2001 ews to 2004, kai qa apotelesoyn thn Politistikh Olympiada, to neo qesmo poy kaqierwnetai.

Den mpainw se leptomereies, giati qa milhsei ef olhs ths ylhs h ka Papazwh.

* Sth shmerinh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy egine, epishs, mia enhmerwsh apo thn ypoyrgo Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs k. Papandreoy, gia thn proetoimasia toy kratoys enocei ths allaghs ths xilietias kai thn etoimothta poy prepei na exoyme, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme piqana problhmata poy qa prokycoyn apo to legomeno "io toy 2000". Exoyme oloklhrwsei thn proetoimasia mas kai eimaste etoimoi, mazi me oles tis xwres poy briskontai sthn prwth grammh etoimothtas. Pisteyoyme oti den qa prokycoyn tetoia problhmata. Exoyn lhfqei metra kai ekeines tis krisimes wres, ths allaghs toy xronoy kai ths xilietias, to kratos, oi paragontes toy Dhmosioy qa epagrypnoyn gia na antimetwpisoyn kaqe endexomeno ektakto peristatiko se ayto ton tomea.

* Milwntas eisagwgika o Prwqypoyrgos sth synedriash ayth -poy, opws jerete, einai h teleytaia toy xronoy, ths ekatontaetias kai ths xilietias- ekane diafora sxolia:

Anaferqhke sto ergo ths kybernhshs se basikoys tomeis, stoys entonoys ryqmoys anaptyjhs poy petyxame, para tis oikonomikes kriseis, oi opoies ekdhlwqhkan kai dokimasan akomh kai megales, prohgmenes oikonomies ths Eyrwphs.

Anaferqhke, epishs, sta efodia ta opoia exei pleon h xwra mas gia na diekdikhsei kai na petyxei thn entajh ths sthn ONE, logw ths politikhs poy akoloyqhqhke thn prohgoymenh periodo. Epishmanqhke oti den prepei h prospaqeia mas ayth na xalarwsei, den prepei na apoprosanatolistoyme. Qa prepei na synexisoyme me toys idioys ryqmoys kai na mhn proxwrhsoyme se ryqmiseis-epiloges, oi opoies einai piqano na mas apomakrynoyn apo ayton to basiko mas stoxo, na entaxqei h Ellada sthn ONE. To qema ayto qa to antimetwpisoyme sto telos toy prwtoy ejamhnoy toy 2000. Tote qa oloklhrwqei kai h diapragmateysh kai pisteyoyme bebaia oti qa petyxoyme to stoxo mas.

* Oson afora qemata ejwterikhs politikhs, epishmane idiaiterws thn ypeyqynh stash poy thrhse h Ellada, kata thn krish sth Gioygkoslabia. H Ellada htan meros ths lyshs toy problhmatos. Den eneplakh se mia anametrhsh, h opoia mporoyse na exei dysmenestates synepeies gia th xwra mas. Ypogrammise, epishs, pws h prosfath Synodos Koryfhs sto Elsinki shmatodotei mia nea periodo gia thn perioxh, gia tis sxeseis twn kratwn sthn perioxh, prokeimenoy na empedwsoyme synqhkes staqerothtas, synergasias kai eirhnhs.

Anaferomenos se epimeroys qemata, ekane mia endeiktikh anafora sthn prospaqeia poy exoyme kanei, oson afora thn antimetwpish problhmatwn ths kaqhmerinhs mas zwhs, menontas idiaitera sthn energopoihsh toy kratikoy mhxanismoy kai th lhch metrwn apo thn Kybernhsh, gia thn antimetwpish twn synepeiwn toy prosfatoy katastrofikoy seismoy.

Dhlwse, akomh, pws to ergo to opoio exoyme kanei einai ploysio kai anagnwrizetai kai ayto apotelei mia kalh bash aisiodojias gia th doyleia mas. Ta mhnymata einai poly qetika kai to politiko klima einai eynoiko. Den prepei, omws, na epikratei yperbolikh bebaiothta, h opoia syxna odhgei se efhsyxasmo, poy einai o xeiroteros symboylos se mia politikh prospaqeia.

Telos, mazi me tis eyxes toy se oloys, enocei twn eortwn, o Prwqypoyrgos mas kalese na synexisoyme th doyleia mas kai me to ergo mas na kerdisoyme thn ektimhsh kai thn anagnwrish twn politwn. Pisteyoyme oti me thn oloklhrwsh ths qhteias ths kybernhshs kai ths Boylhs, to ergo ayto to opoio einai shmantiko kai ploysio, qa einai akomh pio ploysio, qa oloklhrwqei kai qa ektimhqei apo toys polites, otan to Septembrio toy 2000 klhqoyn sthn kalph na epilejoyn kai pali thn kybernhsh gia thn epomenh tetraetia.

* O k. Papantwnioy eishghqhke thn topoqethsh toy k. Eystratioy Bolanh, mexri twra Antiproedroy, sth qesh toy Proedroy toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys kai toy k. Anastasioy Sofoy sth qesh Antiproedroy toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys. Oi dyo aytes qeseis htan kenes. H eishghsh egine omofwna dekth.

* Epishs, me eishghsh toy ypoyrgoy Anaplhrwth Ejwterikwn Xrhstoy Rokofylloy, egine dekth h proagwgh 19 diplwmatwn apo to baqmo toy Symboyloy A' sto baqmo toy plhrejoysioy ypoyrgoy B'.

* Telos, o ypoyrgos Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn k. Miltiadhs Papaiwannoy eishghqhke -kai egine dekth h eishghsh toy- thn ananewsh ths qhteias toy k. Eystratogloy ws epikefalhs toy Organismoy Apasxolhshs Ergatikoy Dynamikoy.

Se poly genikes grammes ayta htan ta qemata poy apasxolhsan th shmerinh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Meta tis ypoxwrhseis sto Elsinki kai to "nai" poy eipe h Ellada, "arxisan ta organa". Xqes kai proxqes, kai tis teleytaies hmeres, eixame parabiaseis, parabaseis kai aeromaxies. Ti apanta h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Tetoia fainomena ekdhlwqhkan, xqes. Exete enhmerwqei me sygkekrimena stoixeia apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas. H symperifora ayth ths Toyrkias, asfalws einai mia arnhtikh syneisfora sthn prospaqeia poy ginetai na enarmonistei h xwra ayth me to koinotiko plaisio to opoio apofasisthke sthn prosfath Synodo Koryfhs sto Elsinki. Tetoia fainomena prepei na ekleicoyn. Pisteyoyme oti h apofash ths Synodoy Koryfhs sto Elsinki, einai kai mia proklhsh gia thn Toyrkia kai gia oloys, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghsoyme mia nea epoxh sthn perioxh. Kapoioi exoyn mia megalh dyskolia na prosarmostoyn se ayth th nea pragmatikothta. Qa prepei na katabaloyn prospaqeia kai na petyxoyn ayth thn prosarmogh. Kata ta alla, emeis qa synexisoyme thn politikh poy exoyme xarajei. Den prepei na doyme to dentro kai na xasoyme to dasos. Qa prepei se ayto to plaisio poy apofasisthke sto Elsinki, na anaptyjoyme kai na oikodomhsoyme thn politikh mas, giati pisteyoyme oti apotelei kai to mono dromo gia th dhmioyrgia synqhkwn eirhnhs kai synergasias sthn perioxh pros ofelos olwn twn xwrwn kai olwn twn lawn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Toyrkia kai prin kai meta to Elsinki, eixe pei oti den allazei politikh. Synepws, ayta qa synexizontai, afoy h xwra ayth den efarmozei thn apofash toy Elsinki. Ti qa ginei;

REPPAS: Sto Elsinki apofasisthke ena plaisio sxesewn Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs-Toyrkias sto opoio antapokriqhke qetika h Toyrkia, apanthse "nai", dexqhke thn protash ths E. E. Menei, pleon, sthn prajh -epanalambanw- na prosarmosei thn politikh ths, wste na efarmosei aytes tis arxes, toys kanones kai tis desmeyseis poy problepontai se ayto to plaisio, se ayth thn apofash Koryfhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto sas lew. Oti h Toyrkia den prokeitai na enarmonistei...

REPPAS: Mh bgazete symperasma toso grhgora. Eiste poly biastikos. Blepete to dentro, alla den blepete to dasos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, ta xqesina den ta eidate, k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Nai, einai ena arnhtiko fainomeno ayto to opoio ekdhlwqhke. Parakalw, omws, na parameinete kai eseis cyxraimoi kai nhfalioi analytes, prokeimenoy na doyme pws qa ejelixqei ayth h prospaqeia ths E. E., apo thn mia pleyra kai ths Toyrkias apo thn allh, na anaptyjoyn tis sxeseis toys, me bash to plaisio to opoio apofasisan, synainesan, dexqhkan sth Synodo Koryfhs sto Elsinki.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw, epishs, na rwthsw ti apantate se ayto poy lene gia toyrkikh yphkoothta sth moysoylmanikh meionothta ths Qrakhs.

REPPAS: H moysoylmanikh meionothta ths Qrakhs exei dikaiwmata poy ginontai sebasta sthn Ellada. Pisteyoyme oti einai adikaiologhth opoiadhpote kritikh, apo opoiondhpote kai an diatypwnetai, gia yponomeysh twn dikaiwmatwn poy exoyn Ellhnes polites, moysoylmanoi kata to qrhskeyma. Den exoyme otidhpote allo na poyme, oson afora th moysoylmanikh meionothta, ayth thn wra. Einai gnwsth h politikh mas kai paramenoyme se ayth. Pisteyoyme oti einai plhrhs kai pantws sto idio prowqhmeno shmeio, se sxesh me tis politikes gia tis meionothtes poy akoloyqoyn alles xwres sthn Eyrwph.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi Toyrkoi einai etoimoi na qesoyn ayto to qema, sthn ef` olhs ths ylhs...

REPPAS: Biazeste perissotero apo toys Toyrkos eseis k. Stamatopoyle, giati lete "einai etoimoi na to qesoyn". As to qesoyn kai qa paroyn apanthsh. H moysoylmanikh meionothta sth Qrakh apartizetai apo Ellhnes polites, poy exoyn sygkekrimenh yphkoothta, exoyn dikaiwmata kai ypoxrewseis, opws oloi oi Ellhnes polites. Ayta einai toso safh, wste den xreiazetai na ta syzhtoyme perissotero.

KARAMPASHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to teleytaio diasthma, sto Xrhmatisthrio fainetai oti exoyn sthqei kapoia "dokana" me stoxo toys mikroependytes. Orismenoi yposthrizoyn oti paizontai kai politika paixnidia, enocei ths proeklogikhs periodoy. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

REPPAS: H anodos toy Xrhmatisthrioy ton teleytaio xrono exei jeperasei kaqe prosdokia. Gnwrizete poly kala oti exoyme fqasei sto diplasio toy epipedoy, sto opoio kineito ena xrono prin to ellhniko Xrhmatisthrio. Oi diakymanseis apoteloyn fysiologiko fainomeno sth leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Qa prepei na perifroyrhsoyme thn aytonomia aytoy toy qesmoy. Den prepei na epixeireitai emplokh toy Xrhmatisthrioy stoys politikoys sxediasmoys. Opoiosdhpote tetoios peirasmos, einai kakos symboylos. Opoioi to epixeirhsan, estw kai emmesws, grhgora antilhfqhkan oti ayto apotelei oleqrio sfalma, poy exei synepeies. Qymizw thn prwtoboylia poy eixe analabei o k. Karamanlhs, na zhthsei stoixeia gia xrhmatisthriakes synallages. Ypenqymizw, epishs, thn politikh skandalologias ths N. D. gia foreis, poy einai eishgmenoi sto Xrhmatisthrio. Qelw na pisteyw oti den einai epilogh ths N. D. na symperilabei ston politiko sxediasmo ths kai th leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy. An skeftetai kati tetoio, an prokeitai na kanei kati tetoio, pisteyw oti prosferei poly arnhtikh yphresia.

FILHS: O Prwqypoyrgos anaferomenos sta qemata poy synexizoyn na yparxoyn, opws h antimetwpish twn epiptwsewn toy seismoy apo thn kratikh mhxanh, poio sxolio akribws ekane; Dioti edw, paroysiazontai stoixeia oti qa einai dyskolos o xeimwnas gia mia megalh kathgoria seismopaqwn. Gia paradeigma sto Menidi, mono o enas stoys deka dikaioyxoys exei labei to bohqhma gia th stegash kai mono to ena sta deka kokkina spitia exei katedafistei.

REPPAS: Prwta, ap` ola, to oti den exoyn katedafistei ola ta kokkina spitia den shmainei oti xrhsimopoioyntai. Den dhmioyrgeitai opoiosdhpote kindynos gi aytoys oi opoioi katoikoysan sta spitia ayta prin. Exoyn, hdh, metegkatastaqei kapoy alloy. Apo kei kai pera, den yparxei aithma, to opoio ayth thn wra, na diatypwnetai, prokeimenoy na doqei peraiterw bohqeia -se yliko, xrhmatika h alla mesa- se dikaioyxoys. Aytoi oi opoioi paramenoyn stis skhnes einai elaxistoi. Einai aytoi poy menoyn ektos kataylismwn, epeidh qeloyn na briskontai konta sta spitia toys. Apo ta stoixeia ta opoia exei to armodio Ypoyrgeio sth diaqesh toy, den prokyptei kapoio keno, kapoia kaqysterhsh, ws pros thn antimetwpish aithmatwn poy exoyn diatypwqei. Den diatypwnontai pleon aithmata apo tis arxes ths T. A. Gia to qema ayto egine kai shmera sth Boylh syzhthsh. Apanthse, se sxetikh erwthsh o armodios yfypoyrgos o k. Berelhs, me apokalyptika stoixeia, sta opoia sas parapemcw giati den einai toy parontos. H kybernhsh qewrei oti sto qema ayto enhrghse kata tropo apofasistiko kai apotelesmatiko. Htan, dhladh, mia poly kalh stigmh paroysias toy ellhnikoy kratoys, se ena poly idiaitero, ektakto fainomeno.

FILHS: Poia problhmata entopise o Prwqypoyrgos anaferomenos sto qema twn seismopaqwn;

REPPAS: Ekane mia anafora en eidh paradeigmatos. Den anaferqhke sto qema ayto.

FILHS: Ws kalo paradeigma;

REPPAS: Bebaiws, ws kalo paradeigma. Milhse gia thn energopoihsh toy kratoys me aformh thn ekdhlwsh aytoy toy fainomenoy.

FILHS: Ma, molis proxqes, prin apo dyo meres, eipe oti yparxoyn problhmata leitoyrgias ths kratikhs mhxanhs. Prin dyo meres!

REPPAS: Asfalws, yparxoyn problhmata ths kratikhs mhxanhs, genikws.

FILHS: Tote, pws "ws kalo paradeigma";

REPPAS: Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh kai oson afora thn antimetwpish twn synepeiwn apo to seismo, h energopoihsh toy kratoys htan amesh kai apotelesmatikh. Ayto einai koina paradekto.

FILHS: O Prwqypoyrgos prin treis hmeres enwpion olwn mas...

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa.

FILHS: Allaje gnwmh meta apo treis hmeres;

REPPAS: Den allaje kamia gnwmh. O Prwqypoyrgos, epeidh einai sygxronos, eilikrinhs kai eyqys politikos, gnwrizei oti yparxoyn problhmata se oloys toys tomeis kai sth leitoyrgia toy kratoys. Ayto den exei kamia sxesh me to poly ajiologo apotelesma to opoio petyxe to kratos me thn energopoihsh toy kai thn apotelesmatikh paroysia toy gia thn antimetwpish twn synepeiwn toy seismoy. Na ejhgoymaste.

FILHS: Xqes, se erwthsh synadelfoy mas eipate oti h epistolh toy k. Liponen einai proswpikh epistolh kai den desmeyetai h E. E., apantwntas malista ston isxyrismo toy k. Etzebit, oti h epistolh estalh apo th filandikh Proedria kai oxi proswpika apo ton k. Liponen kai synepws, kata th gnwmh toy k. Etzebit, desmeyei thn E. E. Xqes, omws, h filandikh Proedria, me aformh kai syzhthsh poy egine kai sto Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio, dieykrinise oti o k. Liponen enhrghse ws proedreywn ths E. E. alla, bebaiws, ayto to keimeno den exei thn idia isxy kai ajia me thn apofash twn "15". Dhladh, mia endiamesh stash, anamesa sthn Aqhna kai thn Agkyra.

REPPAS: Prepei na eiste eilikrinhs sthn erwthsh sas. Den eipe oti estalh apo ton Proedro ths E. E., kai oti h epistolh ayth den exei thn idia isxy kai ajia me to keimeno twn 15. Eipe oti "ayth h epistolh den desmeyei thn E. E. ". Ayto to rhma xrhsimopoihse. Den eipe oti "den exei thn idia ajia". Eipe, o ekproswpos ths Filandias, oti "den desmeyei thn E. E. ". Ara, loipon, ayth h epistolh einai proswpikh epistolh. Asfalws toy proedreyontos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy. Den estalh apo enan tyxaio politiko. Estalh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Filandias, o opoios proedreyei toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy. An deite thn epistolh, poyqena den ferei ta diakritika h ta shmata ths E. E. Ayto einai safes. Kai epanelabe, ayto to opoio allwste eipame ki emeis kat epanalhch, antiqeta me osa isxyrizontai kapoioi politikoi antipaloi mas, oti ayto to keimeno den apotelei stoixeio toy koinotikoy kekthmenoy, wste na desmeyei thn E. E., antiqeta me ta osa isxyrizetai o k. Etzebit kai kapoioi edw sthn Ellada, poy lene oti einai ki ayto kati to opoio prepei na synypologistei mazi me to keimeno poy apofasisthke sto Eyrwpaiko Symboylio. Den synypologizetai, den synektimatai. Einai ektos ths apofashs poy exei labei h E. E., poy monon ayth (h apofash) desmeyei thn E. E. kai oxi h epistolh toy k. Liponen. Ayto einai poly kaqaro.

FILHS: Ayto einai to deytero stoixeio. Den einai...

REPPAS: Den einai to deytero. Ayto einai to stoixeio.

FILHS: Eipe dyo pragmata o k. Liponen. Rwtw, dioti edw yparxei ena qema antikeimenikhs staqmisews ths ajias ayths ths epistolhs.

REPPAS: Antikeimenikhs; Malista.

FILHS: Antikeimenikhs. Dioti o k. Etzebit to "trabaei" apo thn pleyra toy kai leei pragmata poy den isxyoyn, oti ayth h epistolh desmeyei toys "15" kai oti den einai proswpikh.

REPPAS: H filandikh Proedria ti eipe, k. Filh; Eipe oti desmeyei toys 15 h eipe oti den desmeyei toys 15;

FILHS: Eipe oti einai epistolh ths filandikhs Proedrias, h opoia den epexei qesh...

REPPAS: Giati den lete oti "den desmeyei" k. Filh;

FILHS: Oti diabasa, lew k. Ypoyrge. Oti den epexei qesh koinotikoy eggrafoy. Eseis, omws eipate, oti einai proswpikh epistolh.

REPPAS: Nai.

FILHS: Jerete ti diafora exei h proswpikh epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo toy proedreyontos ths E. E.; Entelws diaforetikh einai.

REPPAS: Den einai proswpikh epistolh ypo thn ennoia oti anaferetai se proswpika qemata. Se qemata koinoy endiaferontos poy aforoyn tis sxeseis ths E. E. me thn Toyrkia, anaferetai ayth h epistolh. Alla, den einai epistolh, h opoia desmeyei thn E. E., h opoia apotelei keimeno ths E. E., kai mporei na apotelesei shmeio anaforas ths Toyrkias h opoioydhpote alloy. Kai sthn Ellada, dystyxws, ginetai ayto -kai lypoymai para poly- prokeimenoy etsi na anaptyjoyn kapoioi antipoliteytikh epixeirhmatologia.

FILHS: Eseis dieykolynate ayth thn ejelijh. Giati lypaste;

REPPAS: Emeis qewroyme oti yparxei apofash ths E. E. poy einai desmeytikh gia oloys kai se ayth paramenoyme. Kai xairomai poy h filandikh Proedria edwse aytes tis dieykriniseis, wste na mh synexistei sthn Ellada ayto to periergo paixnidi, kapoioi na qeloyn na baloyn peripoy sthn idia bash thn apofash toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, thn omofwnh malista apofash, me mia epistolh poy esteile o proedreywn ths E. E. pros thn Toyrkia. Antilambaneste pws sto plaisio twn diapragmateysewn, ekeines tis stigmes, polles meqodoi mporei na xrhsimopoihqoyn. Mhn epimenete, omws, oti h epistolh ayth apotelei keimeno ths E. E., to opoio th desmeyei. Ayto einai aposafhnismeno. Den th desmeyei.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Xqes, sygkrothqhke h Kentrikh Eklogikh Epitroph toy PASOK. Symfwna me plhrofories kai shmera o Prwqypoyrgos kalese kai pali ta stelexh ths kybernhshs na einai se eklogikh etoimothta. Apo thn allh pleyra, omws, enw yparxei ayth h bebaiothta sto kybernwn komma, oti qa pame se ekloges kai malista me eyqynh ths N. D., fainetai oti sthn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh yparxei entonotatos problhmatismos, an qa prepei telika h oxi h N. D. na emmeinei se ayth thn epilogh ths. H erwthsh einai h ejhs: Eiste sigoyroi, ws kybernhsh, oti qa proklhqoyn me eyqynh ths N. D. prowres ekloges me bash ayta ta nea dedomena.

REPPAS: To exoyme pei, kat epanalhch, kai to epanalambanw: H xwra exei ajio Proedro. Ayth h Boylh mporei kai prepei na eklejei Proedro Dhmokratias. Oi ekloges prepei na ginoyn to Septembrh toy 2000. H eklogikh epitroph, sthn opoia anaferqhkate, den exei sygkrothqei. Einai mia prosklhsh toy Proedroy toy PASOK kai Prwqypoyrgoy se stelexh toy Kinhmatos, na laboyn meros se mia syskech poy qa ginei stis arxes toy neoy xronoy, enocei piqanwn politikwn ejelijewn. Einai ejelijeis endexomenes, logw ths qeshs poy exei, mexri twra, thrhsei h N. D., enocei ths ekloghs Proedroy Dhmokratias. Den yparxei otidhpote allo, to opoio emeis prepei na poyme ayth thn wra, doqentos oti h N. D. einai ayth poy prepei na jekaqarisei th stash ths. Emeis exoyme safh topoqethsh, edw kai arketo kairo. Eimaste pronohtikoi. Eipame oti to prwto ejamhno toy 2000, h xwra mas kanei mia shmantikh prospaqeia poy prepei na oloklhrwqei me epityxia. Qa prepei aperispastoi na asxolhqoyme me ayto to qema. Den xreiazetai na pame se ekloges. Isa-isa ayth h prospaqeia mas qa prepei na ejelixqei se synqhkes politikhs, oikonomikhs kai koinwnikhs staqerothtas. H N. D. den exei parei qesh. Antiqetws, isxyrizetai oti yparxei politiko problhma kai oti h, kata th gnwmh ths, epizhmia kai epikindynh gia th xwra kybernhsh, prepei na apomakrynqei kai oti gi ayto prepei na pame se ekloges. An h N. D. allajei th stash ths, ayto -eipa xqes kai epanalambanw- qa einai mia qetikh ejelijh.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na moy peite, an o Prwqypoyrgos eipe sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, oti me eyqynh ths N. D. mpainoyme se mia proeklogikh periodo;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos den eipe akribws ayto. Eipe oti, opws fainetai h N. D., epeidh akribws isxyrizetai oti prepei na apomakrynqei h kybernhsh kai na antimetwpistei etsi to, kata th gnwmh ths, yparxon politiko problhma, einai endexomeno na odhghsei th xwra se ekloges, "pragma poy apeyxomai". Ayto eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. Paramenoyme, loipon, sth qesh poy pagiws diatypwnoyme gia ta qemata sta opoia anafereste, me thn erwthsh sas.

MIXAHL: Dhladh, k. Ypoyrge, gia na katalabw, opws mas metaferete thn apostrofh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, to PASOK synexizei na qelei ekloges to Septembrio toy 2000 kai h paroysa Boylh na eklejei Proedro;

REPPAS: To eipa molis prin kai to epanalambanw me staqerh fwnh kai me isxyrh boylhsh: Ayth einai h qesh mas kai paramenoyme se ayth.

MIXAHL: Pws, omws, symbadizei ayth h pagia qesh poy epanalambanete me thn apostrofh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, treis fores mexri twra, kai sto Elsinki kai stoys jenoys antapokrites kai prosfata, oti h 26h Martioy einai h piqanoterh hmeromhnia diejagwghs twn eklogwn;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos se oles aytes tis syzhthseis eipe oti qa prepei h Boylh na oloklhrwsei th qhteia ths kai na ginoyn oi ekloges to Septembrio toy 2000. Apo thn allh, eipe -se ayth thn koinwnia zoyme, se ayth thn politikh zwh symmetexoyme- oti h N. D. einai endexomeno na odhghsei th xwra se prowres ekloges kai qa prepei na eimaste etoimoi na antimetwpisoyme ayto to endexomeno. Den einai kati to opoio epidiwkoyme emeis. Einai kati to opoio, ws fainetai, epidiwkei h N. D., giati epidiwkei thn anatroph ths kybernhshs, thn kybernhtikh allagh. Ayto den epidiwkei h N. D.; Kai exei probei se ayto to qesmiko olisqhma, an qelete, na ypagagei thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias ston politiko sxediasmo ths, sta kommatika sxedia ths. Ayta qa prepei na aposyndeqoyn. To exoyme pei kat` epanalhch. Diatypwsame th qesh ayth stis syzhthseis poy ginontai gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos. Den prepei na sysxetizetai h eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias me th qhteia ths Boylhs.

PETOYRH: O Prwqypoyrgos katalogise sth N. D. ton egkainiasmo ths proeklogikhs periodoy; Dioti ayto prokyptei...

REPPAS: Den egkainiazetai proeklogikh periodos. Isws, ayto to symperasma bgainei epeidh klhqhkan kapoia stelexh na laboyn meros se mia syskech poy prokeitai na ginei sthn arxh toy neoy xronoy. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti prepei na eimaste etoimoi gia kaqe endexomeno, me dedomenh th qesh poy, toylaxiston, ews twra exei thrhsei h N. D..

PETOYRH: Rwtaw, giati yphrje mia plhroforia oti o Prwqypoyrgos katalogise sth N. D., piqanon me aformh th xqesinh sygkentrwsh ston Peiraia, oti egkainiase thn proeklogikh ekstrateia.

REPPAS: Eipe oti h omilia poy ekane o k. Karamanlhs ston Peiraia htan mia omilia h opoia den eixe periexomeno kai politikh oysia. Htan mia sygkentrwsh gia th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn, sygkentrwsh proeklogikoy xarakthra.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an isxyei h dhlwsh poy eixate kanei xqes oti piqanh chfish toy k. Stefanopoyloy apo th N. D., qa apotelei kai chfo empistosynhs gia thn kybernhsh.

REPPAS: Asfalws isxyei. H N. D. den einai ayth, h opoia leei oti prepei na antimetwpisoyme kai na lysoyme to politiko problhma, odhgwntas th xwra se ekloges kai apomakrynontas thn kybernhsh; An odhgei th xwra se ekloges to kanei epeidh isxyrizetai oti h kybernhsh einai epikindynh kai prepei na anatrapei. Emeis, epiqymoyme h N. D. na mhn odhghsei th xwra se ekloges. Na synainesei sthn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias kai h xwra na odhghqei se ekloges sto telos ths tetraetias, to Septembrio toy 2000. Ayth einai h staqerh qesh mas. Kai einai toso safhs poy pisteyw oti antapokrinetai kai sta eqnika symferonta kai sthn koinh nohmosynh.

KARGOYDH: Sthn arxh eipate oti epikeintai anakoinwseis gia toys mhxanismoys kai toys tropoys xrhmatodothshs ths politistikhs Olympiadas, alla kai genikotera ths Olympiadas. Qelw na rwthsw, an mesa stoys problhmatismoys sas einai h metoxopoihsh toy OPAP.

REPPAS: Einai kati poy den antimetwpizoyme twra. Ola ayta ta sxhmata xrhmatodothshs qa ta epilejoyn to oikonomiko epiteleio me thn armodia Ypoyrgo Politismoy

KARGOYDH: Xronika pote; Epeidh einai h prwth fora poy epanerxeste sto qema, meta...

REPPAS: Apla, epeidh to qema ayto syzhthqhke en ektasei shmera sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Gi ayto epanerxomaste. Den exoyme allo logo. Einai ena qema poy apasxolei toys synarmodioys ypoyrgoys.

FILHS: Xqes, mazi me ton k. Manitakh, paraithqhkan kai tria melh toy ESR, ta opoia eixan ypodeixqei apo to PASOK. Exete kapoio sxolio gia thn paraithsh twn triwn melwn; Gia ton k. Manitakh diabasame ti eipate. Toy... "ta syrate"! Gia ta tria melh ti exete na mas peite;

REPPAS: Den symfwnw me to xarakthrismo sas. Htan h deoysa apanthsh se mia epistolh poy krinw oti einai apolytws empaqhs. H epistolh ayth eixe proswpiko xarakthra. Htan mia proswpikh epistolh-epiqesh toy k. Manitakh se mena. Krinw adikaiologhto to oti melh toy ESR anakalycan prosfatws oti antimetwpizoyn diafora problhmata, anakalycan ola ayta ta problhmata -ta opoia diatypwnoyn dhmosiws me ayton ton epizhmio gia to idio to ESR kai toys qesmoys tropo- meta th nomikh diafwnia poy proekyce gia to an epitrepetai anadromikh epibolh kyrwsewn. Mexri tote eixate eseis ginei koinwnoi kapoiwn aitiasewn h kritikhs apo melh toy ESR gia problhmata poy antimetwpizan; Twra, mesa se ena mhna, monon problhmata akoyw oti antimetwpizoyn ta melh kai to ESR. Qelete na sas anaferw sygkekrimena stoixeia, opws oti o problepomenos proypologismos gia to 1999 toy ESR htan 195 ekatommyria kai exoyn aporrofhqei peripoy 120 ekatommyria mexri shmera. Aporrofhtikothta peripoy sto 53%; Eyqynetai gi ayto to Ypoyrgeio; Mhpws, toys exoyme sterhsei poroys kai mesa gia na kanoyn th doyleia toys; Eyqynetai to Ypoyrgeio giati to ESR kai to ASEP proxwrhsan sthn epilogh stelexwn gia tis yphresies toys, me ryqmo o opoios mporei na mhn einai gi aytoys ikanopoihtikos; Gaiti den to ekanan kapoio xrono prin; Ta sygkekrimena melh diatypwsan th qesh toys kai o tropos poy antedrasan deixnei -me enargeia, qa elega- oti to PASOK ypedeije melh gia to ESR, ta opoia den eixan kommatikes ejarthseis. Den anedeijan thn kommatikh toys idiothta, opws dystyxws ekanan alla melh toy ESR, ta opoia protimhsan na leitoyrghsoyn ws kommatikoi ekproswpoi, pragma anepitrepto. Apo ekei kai pera, epanalambanw, oti o kaqenas exei tis apoceis toy. Sebomai tis apoceis toys, alla gia to qema, to opoio apotelese kai thn "petra toy skandaloy", den prokeitai na yparjei symfwnia, oso kapoioi epimenoyn oti epitrepetai se ena kratos dikaioy na epiballontai anadromika kyrwseis. Ayto einai to megalo problhma. Qa anaplhrwqoyn ta kena ayta kai pisteyw oti to ESR qa brei to dromo toy. Epanalambanw oti me to n. 2644 ftasame shmera, me thn oloklhrwsh twn problepomenwn diadikasiwn, sth qesh na ypogracoyme (to apogeyma ths erxomenhs Deyteras) mia symbash paraxwrhshs me ena idiwtiko forea gia thn anaptyjh twn newn syndromhtikwn radiothleoptikwn yphresiwn me chfiakh texnologia mesw doryforoy. Ayto deixnei oti eixame dikio otan den epitrecame na anaptyxqoyn aytes oi yphresies, xwris na yparxei qesmiko plaisio. Kai, epipleon, to qesmiko ayto plaisio einai plhres, sygkekrimeno kai diasfalizei ta symferonta kai toy Dhmosioy kai twn politwn.

Ara, loipon, as afhsoyme to ESR ejw apo ayto to dhmosio dialogo. Oles oi anejarthtes dioikhtikes arxes exoyn problhmata, opws kai oloi oi foreis toy Dhmosioy. Den epididontai, omws, se tetoioy eidoys dhmagwgikh kai laikistikh proseggish gia na anadeijoyn ta problhmata toys. Yparxoyn polles anejarthtes arxes kai oles antimetwpizoyn dyskolies. Opws kai ypoyrgeia kai organismoi toy Dhmosioy antimetwpizoyn dyskolies. Den einai ola teleia. Alla, tetoia dhmagwgikh kai laikistikh proseggish oydeis epixeirei. Isws, epeidh se alles anejarthtes arxes den emplekontai ta kommata, oson afora th synqesh h th sygkrothsh toys. Ayto einai kati poy me lypei. Einai prwtofanes ayto na ekdidontai anakoinwseis melwn toy ESR apo Grafeia Typoy kommatwn! Kai meta miloyn peri anejarthths arxhs; Einai prwtofanes.

FILHS: Stis alles arxes den emplekontai ta kommata kai einai logiko ayto, empleketai to kybernhtiko komma.

REPPAS: Afhste ta, k. Filh, ayta. Gnwrizete poly kala oti, fer eipein, to ASEP h o Synhgoros toy Politoy h h Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn kai alles arxes, leitoyrgoyn me tetoio tropo, wste den epitrepoyn se opoiondhpote na tis xrhsimopoihsei ws pedio gia na anaptyjei mikrokommatikh politikh, eite filokybernhtikh, eite antipoliteytikh. Ayta einai safh. Kai kalw dhmosiws na anakoinwsoyn ta melh toy ESR, poy eite ypodeixqhkan apo to PASOK, eite apo alla kommata, an egw opoiadhpote stigmh kai gia opoiodhpote qema ekana prospaqeia na parembw sto ergo toys.

FILHS: Sas katalogizoyn alloiwsh ths apofashs toys, h opoia qa katapesei sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias, kata thn apoch pollwn nomikwn. Hdh, o SKAt ekane prosfygh.

REPPAS: Eipa ekeines tis hmeres oti prosferoyn kakh yphresia, aytoi oi opoioi lene oti oi apofaseis aytes einai akyrwsimes.

FILHS: H diapistwsh toy nomikoy problhmatos den einai kalh h kakh yphresia. Einai ena antikeimeniko gegonos.

REPPAS: Qa htan bebaio oti qa ginotan dekth apo ta dikasthria, sta opoia qa prosefeyge o endiaferomenos, h prosfygh toy gia mia apofash moy, h opoia, metajy twn allwn, pera dhladh apo ta xrhmatika prostima ta opoia exw epibalei kai kyrwsei -kai prepei na einai safes ayto- qa proeblepe kai kyrwseis oi opoies epiballontai anadromika, giati problepontai se metagenestero nomo. Sas lew oti den qa katapesei ayth h apofash gi ayto to logo. Allwste, ayton to logo den ton epikaleitai oyte o prosfeygwn. Sthn prosfygh toy to thleoptikos staqmos epikaleitai logoys sth syntagmatikothta toy ESR kai epishs anaferetai se qemata deontologias. Den anaferetai se otidhpote allo. To mono qetiko einai oti etsi epibebaiwnetai kai apodeiknyetai pws egw exw kyrwsei thn apofash gia ta xrhmatika prostima poy kapoioi isxyrizontai oti arnoymai na epibalw. H apofash qa epefte an dexomoyn thn apofash-eishghsh toy ESR kai perielambana sthn telikh dikh moy apofash thn anadromikh epibolh kyrwsewn. Tote qa eixame problhma. Kai lypoymai, otan melh toy ESR lene oti oi apofaseis moy einai akyrwsimes, dinontas etsi to prasino fws se kapoioys na prosfygoyn sta dikasthria. Qa apodeixqei kai ayto. Alla, mh syzhtoyme -epanalambanw- gia to "an kineitai h gh". Anadromikh epibolh kyrwsewn se ena kratos dikaioy, den epitrepetai. Kai ayto den bgainei to ESR na to paradexqei, epiteloys. Paramenei se mia qesh, san na dexetai oti mporei na ginei ayto. Den mporei na ginei anadromikh epibolh kyrwsewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi treis aytoi toy PASOK, giati paraithqhkan;

REPPAS: Exoyn toys logoys toys, oi opoioi einai apolytws sebastoi. Kai den einai treis toy PASOK.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati esas kathgoroyn. Gia parembaseis dikes sas lene.

REPPAS: Oi kritikes einai dektes. Egw, loipon, kalw kai prokalw na moy pei opoiosdhpote -kai apo toys treis kai opoiosdhpote allos- poia parembash ekana, prokeimenoy na parempodisw ta melh toy ESR sto ergo toys. Toys prokalw na moy poyne pote kai gia poio logo. Kai den to kanei kaneis.

Sas eyxaristw. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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