Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-05-26

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 26 Maioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Sas ypenqymizw oti shmera o Prwqypoyrgos paraxwrei synenteyjh Typoy stoys politikoys syntaktes, sto Zappeio Megaro. Prokeitai gia synenteyjh ef' olhs ths ylhs, h opoia qa arxisei stis 7 m. m. akribws, gia na ejyphrethqoyn kai oi synadelfoi sas twn entypwn meswn enhmerwshs. Gi` ayto kriqhke epibeblhmenh ayth h mikrh xronikh metaqesh.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Yparxei xroniko orio;

REPPAS: Synhqws oi synenteyjeis aytoy toy eidoys, diarkoyn mia wra.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

FASOYLAS: Qa hqela to sxolio ths kybernhshs sxetika me dhmosieyma oti o Prwqypoyrgos sth synanthsh toy me ton Oikoymeniko Patriarxh, apofasisan thn apopomph toy Arxiepiskopoy Amerikhs Spyridwnos. Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh tis drasthriothtes toy Arxiepiskopoy Amerikhs, oson afora ta eqnika qemata, to Kypriako, to Gioygkoslabiko;

REPPAS: Kat` arxhn, den empiptei stis armodiothtes ths kybernhshs na lambanei apofaseis gia ena tetoio qema. Ayto apotelei eswteriko qema ths Ekklhsias, poy afora idiaiterws tis leitoyrgies toy Oikoymenikoy Patriarxeioy. Den afora thn kybernhsh. Oson afora, twra, tis sxeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs me ton epikefalhs ths Orqodojhs Ekklhsias ths Amerikhs, oi sxeseis einai poly kales. Gnwrizete oti prosfatws episkefthke tis HPA o Prwqypoyrgos. Sto plaisio ayths ths episkechs, synanthqhke kai syzhthse me ton Prokaqhmeno ths Orqodojoy Ekklhsias ths Amerikhs. Me ayth thn ennoia, den yparxei opoiodhpote problhma stis sxeseis kybernhshs kai Arxiepiskopoy Amerikhs.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Sobara empodia proballei kai pali h E. E., oson afora thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E. E., anaforika me prosfato chfisma ths kypriakhs Boylhs, oson afora th symmetoxh ths Kyproy sto empargko kata ths Gioygkoslabias. Dierwtwmai, ean kaqe fora poy h Kypros h ena anejarthto kratos pairnei mia apofash, apotelei tekmhrio an qa mpei h oxi sthn E. E.; Einai swsth ayth h qesh poy proballei h E. E.;

REPPAS: Kaqe xwra epilegei thn politikh poy prepei na akoloyqhsei me gnwmona to symferon ths kai to symferon toy laoy ths. Otan emeis yperaspizomaste ta symferonta ths xwras mas kai toy laoy mas, qa prepei na anamenoyme kai apo alles xwres na kanoyn kati analogo. H Kypros einai mia xwra, h opoia exei dikaiwma na lambanei apofaseis, me gnwmona to symferon ths. Pisteyw oti h proodos ths entajiakhs poreias ths Kyproy sthn E. E., den mporei na anakopei. Ypenqymizw oti prosfatws diatypwqhkan enstaseis gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E. E. kai yphrje mia emplokh oson afora dyo qemata: To ena, to sxetiko me thn telwneiakh syndesh E. E. - Kyproy kai to allo poy afora tis ejwterikes sxeseis ths E. E. H ellhnikh kybernhsh, apo tote eixe anakoinwsei kai katesthse gnwsto stoys etairoys sthn E. E. oti den prokeitai na yparjei dieyrynsh ths E. E., an sth dieyrynsh ayth den symperilambanetai kai h Kypros. Hrqhsan ta empodia ayta, meta kai apo th stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Pisteyoyme oti mporei kata kairoys na paroysiazontai tetoioy eidoys problhmata, ta opoia einai proskaira kai pantws, h entajh ths Kyproy sthn E. E. qa prepei na ginei me krithria ta opoia isxyoyn gia oles tis xwres poy entaxqhkan h qa entaxqoyn sthn E. E. Kai me ayth thn ennoia, qewrw oti h poreia entajhs ths Kyproy qa synexistei, epeidh akribws h Kypros einai poly konta sta krithria kai tis proypoqeseis poy exei qesei h E. E. gia na dexqei nea melh stoys kolpoys ths. H Kypros, loipon, qa synexisei ayth thn poreia kai den pisteyw, para ta kata kairoys problhmata poy paroysiazontai, oti qa yponomeyqei h entajh ths sthn E. E.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Pantws, kyrie Ypoyrge, an breqoyme se adiejodo, an dhladh h Agglia kai h Germania epimeinoyn kai mas feroyn se adiejodo, h Ellada einai apofasismenh na qesei beto se ayth thn periptwsh;

REPPAS: Exw kat` epanalhch dhlwsei oti qa askhsoyme ta dikaiwmata poy exoyme, ws melos ths E. E., qa paremboyme. Qa ftasoyme mexri to shmeio emplokhs ths peraiterw dieyrynshs ths E. E., an h dieyrynsh ayth den symperilambanei kai thn Kypro, ef' oson h Kypros exei ola ta krithria, prokeimenoy na entaxqei sthn E. E., opws entaxqhkan kai alles xwres sto parelqon.

ALEJAKH: Exei plhrofories h ellhnikh kybernhsh oti yparxei kapoio sxedio, me aformh thn ypoqesh Otsalan kai th dikh toy, se baros toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Gnwrizete kati oti prospaqoyn na emplejoyn ton Prwqypoyrgo, me aformh ayth th dikh;

REPPAS: Mporoyme na apokwdikopoihsoyme ta stoixeia poy exoyme ypoch mas. Gnwrizete pote exei oristei h dikh toy Otsalan. Mporei kapoios na anamenei -ayth einai mia poly logikh kai basimh ektimhsh- oti h apofash qa ekdoqei ligo prin apo th dienergeia twn eyrweklogwn. Kai mporei akomh na ektimhsei kapoios oti h Toyrkia qa hqele na xrhsimopoihsei ayto to qema, strefontas enantion ths Elladas ta belh ths, prokeimenoy na ephreasei tis eswterikes ejelijeis sth xwra mas. Me ayth thn ennoia, qa prepei na eimaste poly synetoi kai prosektikoi, giati tetoioy eidoys qemata, ta opoia kapoioi alloi, oi opoioi den exoyn kai tis kalyteres diaqeseis apenanti sth xwra mas kai ton ellhniko lao, mporoyn na ta xrhsimopoioyn kata th dikh toys krish kai epilogh, einai qemata poy kryboyn polles pagides. Emeis qa prepei na antimetwpisoyme aytes tis pagides, gia na diasfalisoyme etsi to eqniko symferon.

ALEJAKH: Jerw oti kai ypoyrgoys apasxolei ayto to qema, to pws h Toyrkia qa xrhsimopoihsei, me aformh tis eyrwekloges to qema Otsalan, se sxesh me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Eipate oti qa doyme pws qa mporesoyme na to antimetwpisoyme. Dhladh, pws nomizete oti mporoyme na to antimetwpisoyme ayto to qema; Exete eseis kapoies tetoies plhrofories, kat' arxhn; Giati apo thn apanthsh sas, egw katalabainw oti mallon kai eseis exete kapoies tetoies plhrofories.

REPPAS: Einai ena qema to opoio mporei kapoios poy asxoleitai me ta stoixeia, ta opoia to synqetoyn, na to antimetwpisei kanontas logikes, basimes ektimhseis. Epanalambanw, oti einai ena qema, to opoio h Toyrkia, isws epidiwjei na to xrhsimopoihsei, prokeimenoy na ephreasei tis eswterikes politikes ejelijeis sth xwra mas. Ayto den prokeitai na to epitrecoyme. Ayto to opoio qa ginei sthn Ellada, qa to apofasisei o ellhnikos laos kai monon kai kamia dynamh ejw apo ayth th xwra. Gi' ayto eipa oti tetoioy eidoys qemata kapoioi ta xeirizontai, prokeimenoy na sthsoyn pagides sth dikh mas xwra. Emeis qa prepei na antimetwpisoyme ayto to endexomeno, me ton kalytero tropo, diasfalizontas to eqniko symferon.

MIXAHL: Exei ginei thlefwnikh epikoinwnia toy k. Shmith me ton k. Mhtsotakh, opoy o k. Mhtsotakhs ton enhmerwse gia to tajidi toy sto Beligradi; Kai ti perimenete apo ayth thn episkech;

REPPAS: O k. Mhtsotakhs enhmerwse thn kybernhsh gia thn episkech toy sto Beligradi. H episkech ayth einai idiwtikoy xarakthra. Apotelei prwtoboylia toy prwhn Prwqypoyrgoy. Pisteyw oti kaqe kinhsh, h opoia exei stoxo na symbalei sthn ejeyresh mias politikhs lyshs, prokeimenoy na jeperasoyme, to syntomotero dynaton, thn krish, einai kinhsh qetikh.

MIXAHL: Me poio tropo egine h epafh; Yparxei h plhroforia oti eixe kai thlefwnikh epikoinwnia me ton k. Shmith poy toy eipe oti prokeitai na paei...

REPPAS: O k. Mhtsotakhs epikoinwnhse thlefwnikws me ton ypoyrgo anaplhrwth Ejwterikwn k. Kranidiwth. Epishs, o k. Mhtsotakhs enhmerwse ton Prwqypoyrgo gia thn episkech toy ayth sto Beligradi. Hmoyn safhs.

MIXAHL: Arxizoyn kai bgainoyn ta gkalop enocei twn eyrweklogwn kai o kaqenas qelei na ta ermhneyei opws aytos nomizei. Qelw na rwthsw, h kybernhsh to hdh anakoinwqen gkalop ths mias etaireias poy dinei dyo monades diafora metajy PASOK kai N. D., shmerino gkalop poy opws exei anakoinwqei qa doqei sth dhmosiothta kai ena akomh thn Paraskeyh, opoy dinei thn eikona gia to ti ginetai ayth th stigmh, qelw na moy kanete ena sxolio toso epi twn apotelesmatwn toys, oso kai twn entypwsewn poy dhmioyrgoyntai.

REPPAS: Qelete na kanw mia dialejh! Ayto to opoio arkoymai na pw einai toyto: Oi etaireies metrhsewn kai ereynwn twn diaqesewn kai protimhsewn ths koinhs gnwmhs dienergoyn tis metrhseis aytes, xrhsimopoiwntas orismenoys kanones. Oi etaireies oi opoies dienergoyn tetoies metrhseis anhkoyn sto syndesmo poy exoyn dhmioyrghsei kai akoloyqoyn toys kwdikes deontologias ths dieqnoys enwsews, ths ESOMAR. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, ta apotelesmata twn metrhsewn aytwn einai endeiktika twn tasewn toy eklogikoy swmatos kai den apoteloyn -kai pantote ayto epishmainetai- eklogiko apotelesma. Ayto to opoio prosqetw einai toyto: Kat' epanalhch exoyme pei oti mas endiaferei na kerdizoyme thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy, opws ayth riptetai sthn kalph twn eklogwn. Afhnoyme se alloys thn ikanopoihsh -proskairh kai peristasiakh, pantws, ikanopoihsh- gia thn prwtokaqedria toys, sto plaisio tetoiwn dhmoskophsewn. Den agnooyme ta apotelesmata twn dhmoskophsewn, alla den eimaste kai latreis twn dhmoskophsewn h opadoi twn dhmoskophsewn, mexri tetoioy shmeioy, wste na xarazoyme thn politikh mas kai na thn efarmozoyme me gnwmona mono kai mono tis dhmoskophseis. Mas endiaferei na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn th xwra kai ton ellhniko lao. Pisteyw oti to kanoyme ayto, me poly ikanopoihtiko tropo. Kai thn wra twn eklogikwn apotelesmatwn, opoy h chfos poy dinei o kaqe poliths, ton desmeyei gia mia oloklhrh periodo, qa einai chfos qetikh gia to PASOK kai thn kybernhsh toy. Giati, gnwrizete poly kala, oti sto plaisio tetoiwn metrhsewn, kaqenas mporei na ekfrasei thn apoch toy, thn opoia -dioti oydeis ton desmeyei gia to antiqeto- mporei na metabalei thn epomenh kiolas stigmh. H chfos omws poy dinei einai mia chfos h opoia ton desmeyei, giati me thn chfo toy kaqorizei tis ejelijeis mias oloklhrhs periodoy. Me ayth thn ennoia, pisteyw oti ta eklogika apotelesmata qa prepei na ta anamenoyme thn Kyriakh twn eklogwn. Na mhn kanoyme tetoioy eidoys eikasies, oi opoies isws dhmioyrghsoyn apogohteyseis kai diaceyseis. Exw pei kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres oti polloi qa ekplagoyn.

MIXAHL: Genikws milhsate h exete enstaseis gia ton tropo me ton opoio ginontai oi metrhseis;

REPPAS: Ma, oles aytes oi etaireies poy paroysiazoyn metrhseis anhkoyn sto syndesmo, xrhsimopoioyn aytoys toys kanones, toys kwdikes ths ESOMAR.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Proedros ths N. D. zhthse mia pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh sth Boylh. Giati den thn kanei o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Epanaferete mia istoria h opoia prokalei, pleon, to gelio, giati den prokeitai peri sobarhs istorias, toylaxiston etsi opws thn xeiristhke h N. D. Pws exoyn ta pragmata: Thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh (21 Maioy), sas anakoinwsa oti qa ginei pro hmerhsias diatajhs syzhthsh sth Boylh, se epipedo Arxhgwn, thn Paraskeyh, 28 Maioy, meta apo sxetika aithmata toy k. Tsobola kai toy k. Karamanlh. Giati oi protaseis, oi aithseis poy exoyn ypobalei sygklinoyn -tis exw sth diaqesh sas- sto oti prepei na syzhthqei se epipedo politikwn arxhgwn, h krish sta Balkania, sthn eyryterh perioxh, oi synepeies ths gia thn Ellada, h politikh ths Elladas apenanti sthn krish kai tis synepeies ths. Prepei na sas pw oti thn teleytaia periodo exoyn ginei tesseris syzhthseis se epipedo politikwn arxhgwn gi ayto to qema. Syzhthseis oi opoies ekteinontai genikotera se qemata ejwterikhs politikhs. Gnwrizete poly kala oti epi twn hmerwn prwqypoyrgias Kwsta Shmith, paromoies syzhthseis sth Boylh ginontai me tropo aploxero. Antapokrinomaste pantote sta aithmata twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs gia tetoioy eidoys syzhthseis, epeidh mas endiaferei na plhroforhqei o ellhnikos laos to ergo ths kybernhshs kai tis qeseis olwn twn kommatwn.

Meta thn anakoinwsh poy ekana thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh, o ekproswpos ths N. D. epanerxetai (th Deytera 24 Maioy) kai, metajy twn allwn, kathgorei thn Kybernhsh oti arneitai to dialogo me th N. D. kai anaferei san paradeigma ton isxyrismo oti h kybernhsh den dexetai na ikanopoihsei to aithma toy k. Karamanlh, gia mia syzhthsh pro hmerhsias diatajhs se epipedo politikwn arxhgwn. Agnooyse, profanws, ayto poy eixa anakoinwsei treis hmeres prin. Gia na kalycei, loipon, to laqos toy ekproswpoy ths h N. D. kataggellei thn kybernhsh oti arneitai ayth th syzhthsh, h opoia -epanalambanw- qa ginei thn Paraskeyh kai, bebaiws, o Arxhgos ths N. D. qa exei ekei th dynatothta na pei tis apoceis toy gia ola ta qemata, ta opoia qetei me th sxetikh aithsh ths h N. D.

H Nea Dhmokratia proteinei na ginei mia tetoia syzhthsh -enw h prohgoymenh egine liges hmeres prin- thn Pempth, isws; Kai na kanoyme epishs mia tetoia syzhthsh thn Paraskeyh;

Ta kommata omofwna apofasisan oti thn Paraskeyh 28 Maioy qa kleisei h Boylh. Tonizw oti htan omofwnh h apofash toys ayth. Exoyme mia ebdomada apo thn prohgoymenh syzhthsh. Se dyo-treis hmeres qa ginei h epomenh syzhthsh. Exoyme sygkentrwseis kai omilies twn politikwn arxhgwn. Exoyme se ejelijh th drasthriothta twn kommatwn logw ths proeklogikhs periodoy. Prepei, epishs, na sas enhmerwsw oti o Proedros ths Boylhs, sth diaskech twn proedrwn proteine, an h N. D. qewrei aparaithth mia tetoia syzhthsh, tote, na anoijei pali h Boylh meta tis Eyrwekloges kai na ginei ayth h syzhthsh. Giati den qeloyme na apofygoyme opoiadhpote syzhthsh. Prepei na sas pw oti h N. D. den to zhta ayto. Leei pws "den to epiqymoyme ayto, epiqymoyme na kleisei h Boylh thn erxomenh Paraskeyh". Apodeiknyetai, etsi, poios einai aytos, o opoios qelei th syzhthsh kai poios einai ekeinos, o opoios xrhsimopoiei asthriktoys isxyrismoys, mono kai mono, gia na dhmioyrgei entypwseis. An h N. D. pisteyei oti prepei na ginei ayth h eidikh syzhthsh, giati to aithma ths den kalyptetai apo th syzhthsh ths Paraskeyhs, mporei h Boylh na anoijei meta tis Eyrwekloges kai en olomeleia na syzhthsei, pro hmerhsias diatajhs, gi ayto to qema. H N. D. den symfwnei. Parakalw, loipon, epeidh egine ena laqos apo ton ekproswpo ths N. D., na diamhnyqei oti kalytera qa htan na anagnwristei me gennaiothta ayto to laqos -anqrwpino einai, oloi kanoyme laqh- anti na ginetai prospaqeia mesa apo tetoies strecodikes epiqeseis enantion ths kybernhshs, na emfanistei telikws oti h kybernhsh einai ayth h opoia eyqynetai gia ta laqh ths N. D. To oti mporei na dhmioyrgei mia parazalh sth N. D. h kybernhsh kai na thn odhgei se laqh, ayto einai piqano. Alla, parakalw mh xrewnete se mas thn eyqynh twn laqwn ths N. D.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sth xqesinh diaskech twn Proedrwn, o ekproswpos ths N. D. k. Sioyfas ekane mia protash gia na syzhthqei thn Trith. Na parataqei h leitoyrgia ths Boylhs na ginei mia akoma synedriash thn Trith kai tote na kleisei h Boylh. Giati den th dexqhke o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, giati metaferete edw me toso epipolaio tropo -moy epitrepete na pw- ayta ta opoia kapoioi alloi isxyrizontai oti apoteloyn orqes protaseis;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den to eipe sth diaskech twn Proedrwn ayto;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti thn Trith, o Prwqypoyrgos, exei synenteyjh sthn thleorash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: As to kanoyn th Deytera.

REPPAS: Toy Agioy Pneymatos; Parakalw, perissoterh sobarothta!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Perissoterh sobarothta apo poy; Apo to meros ths kybernhshs poy fygomaxei.

REPPAS: Eseis ayto katalabate;

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh fygomaxei. Egw ayto katalaba. Kai leei oti to idio qema zhtane na syzhthqei kai ta tria kommata. Kai prepei, loipon, na syzhtoyn ola mazi; Tis idies qeseis exoyn; Etsi exete katalabei eseis;

REPPAS: Eseis lete, loipon, oti ean milhsoyn oi politikoi arxhgoi toys ypoxrewnoyme na anaptyjoyn tis idies qeseis, o kaqenas. Ma, o kaqenas tis qeseis toy qa pei. Edw exw tis aithseis ths N. D. kai toy DHKKI gia syzhthsh. Ayth einai h protash ths N. D. -tessarwn grammwn protash- sthn opoia ginetai logos gia "genikeymenh krish sta Balkania, poy anedeije thn ejasqenhmenh qesh ths Elladas". Kai edw exw thn protash toy DHKKI, opoy ginetai, epishs, logos gia thn "krish h opoia exei agkaliasei thn eyryterh perioxh kai teinei na metatrecei ta Balkania se ena aperanto qeatro polemoy, me qymata, bebaia, oloys toys laoys ths perioxhs". Peri toys idioy qematos syzhtoyme. Gia na proxwrhsw, afoy me prokaleite sas...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw sas prokalw;

REPPAS:... lew to ejhs: Oti th Deytera, sto plaisio twn erwtapanthsewn me ton k. Sphliwtopoylo, o Ekproswpos ths N. D., se mia apanthsh toy, metajy twn allwn, leei oti den mporei h kybernhsh na mas kalei na syzhthsoyme me aformh "mia eperwthsh toy DHKKI gia paremferes qema". Kai xqes, o k. Sphliwtopoylos pali, apantwntas ston idio ton eayto toy, leei pws "qa syzhthqei h aithsh toy DHKKI -oxi eperwthsh pleon, giati den yphrje pote eperwthsh toy DHKKI, opws kakws isxyristhke th Deytera- gia diaforetiko qema". Ayta ta elege xqes, enw proxqes elege oti to qema einai paremferes. Loipon, as mh kanoyme ayto to paixnidi, sas parakalw poly. To qema to jerw poly kala, k. Stamatopoyle. Mhn epimenete giati ektiqeste.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw den ektiqemai kaqoloy.

REPPAS: Kalws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh mazeyei, dhladh, oles tis aithseis gia pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthseis kai tis bazei mazi gia syzhthsh; Etsi kanei; Aytos einai o koinoboyleytismos;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh exei antapokriqei sta aithmata olwn twn kommatwn. Nomizw oti katalabate poly kala poios einai aytos, o opoios epidiwkei na dhmioyrghsei entypwseis kai poios einai aytos o opoios fygomaxei. Symfwna, malista, me ton Kanonismo ths Boylhs, h kybernhsh qa mporoyse na apofygei kai th syzhthsh poy prokeitai na ginei meqayrio, giati den exoyn parelqei 25 hmeres -opws problepei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs ton opoio epikaleiste- apo thn prohgoymenh pro hmerhsias diatajhs syzhthsh se epipedo politikwn arxhgwn. Ayta, kai katalabame oloi poly kala ti exei ginei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati akomh. Eipate oti h Toyrkia ephreazei toso poly ta eswterika mas; Mporei, dhladh, na anatrecei ena eklogiko apotelesma;

REPPAS: Egw pisteyw oti yparxoyn xwres, oi opoies qa hqelan na ephreasoyn kaqoristika tis ejelijeis mias allhs xwras. Idiaitera, mias xwras me thn opoia pisteyoyn oti exoyn diafores. Pisteyw oti h Toyrkia qa hqele na ephreasei tis eswterikes ejelijeis sthn Ellada. Den qa to katorqwsei, giati den qa to epitrecoyme emeis. Giati politikh ths kybernhshs kai politikh olwn twn kommatwn einai na yperaspistoyme ta symferonta ths xwras kai na kanoyme ayto poy apotelei entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy kai mono aytoy. Gi ayto akribws eipa oti ayta ta qemata, oloi -oydeis ejaireitai kai oloi pisteyw oti to kanoyn ayto- ta xeirizomaste me swfrosynh, me ypeyqynothta, opws armozei se ekeinoys oi opoioi agwnizontai gia to eqniko symferon.

NIKOLAOY: Gnwrizete poia qa einai h ellhnikh symmetoxh sthn ayjhsh twn NATOikwn dynamewn se Skopia kai Albania h sto Kossobo;

REPPAS: Ayto den einai kati to opoio qa ginei tis epomenes hmeres. Pantws, h Ellada qa einai paroysa me shmantikh dynamh. Den exoyme prosdiorisei akomh ton akribh ariqmo twn stratiwtwn, alla ayto qa ejarthqei apo to ycos ths telikhs dynamhs. Exoyme enan ariqmo anaforas. Prepei na sas pw oti isws h telikh dynamh mas qa kymanqei stoys, peripoy, 1000 andres. Alla, ayto einai kati poy den exoyme apofasisei. Einai kati to opoio mas apasxolei kai bebaiws qa synarthqei me th dynamh, me thn opoia qa einai paroyses oi alles xwres.

NIKOLAOY: To narkalieytiko "ERATW" poso kairo qa meinei sthn Adriatikh; Exete kapoia plhroforia;

REPPAS: To narkalieytiko "ERATW" -opws sto parelqon kai alla ploia tetoioy eidoys- pleei s` ayth thn perioxh kai ean brei, syllegei narkes. Ayto einai kati poy ginetai panta ayth thn periodo. Den einai kati poy ginetai twra ej aitias ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio. To xeimwna yparxei mia anapayla se ayth th drasthriothta, h opoia epanalambanetai kai pali apo thn Anoijh. Einai mia dynamh narkalieytikwn, h opoia exei ayto to sygkekrimeno stoxo, ayth thn apostolh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite oti "kaqe tetoia periodo yparxoyn narkalieytika": Bgainoyn dhladh, yparxoyn narkes kaqe tetoia periodo; Eipate "kaqe tetoia periodo". Etsi eipate.

REPPAS: Ayto den ginetai fetos prwth fora, logw ths krishs toy Kossyfopedioy. Kai persi kai ta prohgoymena xronia ayth h omada twn narkalieytikwn pleei sthn perioxh. Thn periodo meta thn Anoijh exoyme ayjhmenoys ploes. Tonizw oti edw kai polla xronia einai monimh h dynamh aytwn twn narkalieytikwn me aythn thn apostolh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Narkalieytiko einai. Oi narkes poy briskontai kaqe tetoia periodo; Ayto lew.

REPPAS: Pleoyn s` ayth thn perioxh kai an yparxoyn narkes, tis syllegoyn. Einai ena programma, to opoio synexizetai apo to parelqon. Den ginetai twra, gia prwth fora. Kai, pantws, den exei sxesh me tis drasthriothtes kai tis epixeirhseis sto Kossyfopedio.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na rwthsw poios einai akribws o xarakthras ths episkechs toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy stis HPA, to programma twn synanthsewn toy opoioy diarkws dieyrynetai; Plhroforoymaste oti, ektos apo thn krish sto Kossyfopedio, qa syzhthsei, shmera, me thn ka Olmprait, tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, to kypriako, opws, epishs, kai endexomenh dieyrynsh symfwnias stratiwtikhs arwghs metajy twn dyo xwrwn. Qa hqela na gnwrizw to xarakthra ths episkechs toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn.

REPPAS: O xarakthras ths episkechs toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn stis HPA, opws kai se kaqe xwra, einai enas kai monadikos. Kai einai pantote o idios: Na prowqhsei to eqniko symferon, na anadeijei tis qeseis ths xwras mas gia shmantika qemata ths epikairothtas kai, bebaiws, na probalei -opws pantote- tis pagies qeseis ths xwras mas gia qemata ta opoia eyqews kai amesws mas aforoyn. Logiko einai, sto plaisio ayths ths synanthshs, o k. Papandreoy na syzhthsei kai qemata poy exoyn idiaitero endiaferon gia mas, opws einai oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, to kypriako problhma kai alla qemata poy tiqentai sto plaisio tetoiwn synanthsewn.

KARGOYDH: Kai h dikh Otsalan symperilambanetai sthn atzenta;

REPPAS: An qewrei h ka Olmprait oti mporei na qesei tetoio qema, asfalws qa labei thn apanthsh me tis qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Alla, moy kanei entypwsh poy me rwtate gia to xarakthra tetoiwn episkecewn. O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths xwras otan syzhta me alloys paragontes mias allhs xwras, gnwrizete oti syzhta ta qemata poy exoyn dimeres endiaferon. Kai, bebaiws, gnwrizete oti h episkech ayth einai enas krikos sthn alysida episkecewn toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn thn teleytaia periodo se diafores prwteyoyses, me kyrio stoxo na probalei th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia thn ejeyresh politikhs lyshs sthn krish sto Kossyfopedio.

SOYGLERHS: O k. Sabbaidhs, poy meteixe xqes sth syskech toy NATO ypo ton k. Solana, ypebale thn ypografh toy aytes oi NATOikes eirhneytikes dynameis na perasoyn kai aytes apo th Qessalonikh, opws egine sto parelqon;

REPPAS: Ayth h apofash exei lhfqei sto parelqon. Allaje ws pros ton ariqmo ths dynamhs.

SOYGLERHS: Kai gia thn Albania;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti exei apofasistei, edw kai polloys mhnes, na einai paroysa mia dynamh poy qa ariqmei 12.000-13.000 stratiwtes sthn perioxh, me eirhneytikh apostolh. H apofash, h opoia elhfqh, einai se ayto to motibo. Apla allazei to ycos ths dynamhs ayths, enocei toy endexomenoy synachs mias symfwnias, enarjhs politikwn diapragmateysewn, gia th lysh sto Kossyfopedio.

GKOGKAS: Eipate oti h symmetoxh ths Elladas qa synarthqei apo th dynamh me thn opoia qa symmetexoyn oi alles xwres. Den qa ejarthqei, omws, kai apo to xarakthra ths apostolhs ths eirhneytikhs ayths dynamhs; Kai to rwtw ayto giati o ekproswpos toy NATO, xqes, eipe oti h eirhneytikh ayth dynamh endexomenws na labei meros kai se kapoies stratiwtikes epixeirhseis.

REPPAS: Twra, eirhneytikh dynamh se... stratiwtikes epixeirhseis, den yparxei, synhqws. Apo kei kai pera h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai safhs: Den exoyme opoiadhpote symmetoxh se tetoioy eidoys stratiwtikes epixeirhseis. Einai safes oti h qesh mas qa synarthqei me tis qeseis twn allwn xwrwn, giati -antilambaneste kai eseis- qa prepei na doyme poies alles xwres epiqymoyn na laboyn meros se mia tetoia apostolh kai poion ariqmo andrwn kaqe mia einai diateqeimenh na prosferei. Sto plaisio aytwn twn syzhthsewn emeis qa kanoyme ayto to opoio einai eqnika xrhsimo.

KOYROYPIS: H Ellada protiqetai na analabei prosfyges apo to Kossobo, sto mellon;

REPPAS: To qema ths ypodoxhs prosfygwn to antimetwpisame sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn poy eginan sthn E. E. Eixame proteinei na yparxei ena eyrwpaiko sxedio, wste kaqe xwra na dexqei enan orismeno ariqmo prosfygwn, analogws twn dynatothtwn ths. Dystyxws megales xwres arnhqhkan na entaxqoyn se mia tetoia politikh. Emeis prosferoyme anqrwpistikh bohqeia stis geitonikes xwres, alla kai mesa sth Gioygkoslabia, gia toys plhttomenoys polites. Se dimeres epipedo, an prokycei qema, an zhthqei dhladh apo thn Ellada na dexqei enan orismeno ariqmo prosfygwn, qa to antimetwpisoyme tote. Tetoio qema twra den yfistatai, den exei teqei kai den einai stis epiloges mas na dexqoyme prosfyges sthn Ellada twra.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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