Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-11-12

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 12 Noembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

SOYGLERHS: O Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Pagkalos se synenteyjh toy ston "Oikonomiko Taxydromo" leei oti sto PASOK yparxoyn polles paratajeis kai oti h paratajh toy k. Shmith einai h isxyroterh. Qa hqela to sxolio sas kai an symfwneite h diafwneite me th qesh ayth toy k. Pagkaloy.

REPPAS: Qa sas parapemcw sth dhlwsh poy exei kanei o Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedros toy Kinhmatos gia to qema ayto. Metajy twn allwn, molis proxqes apantwntas se sxetikh erwthsh sth Barsobia, eipe oti to PASOK einai ena polysyllektiko Kinhma, einai h megalh politikh paratajh ths xwras kai s` aythn ekfrazontai polles apoceis, idees, ekdoxes gia ta qemata poy apasxoloyn thn ellhnikh koinwnia kai toys polites. Logiko einai, loipon, na epidiwketai mesw ths leitoyrgias twn organwn toy Kinhmatos mia synqesh aytwn twn diaforetikwn apocewn. O Prwqypoyrgos leei xarakthristika -kai to epanalambanw ki egw, giati pisteyw oti einai mia frash poy ajizei na eipwqei kai pali- pws "den qa ajize na eimaste perissoteroi, an den hmastan diaforetikoi". Eimaste diaforetikoi, alla exoyme mia sxesh isotimias kai synergasias mesa sto PASOK, prokeimenoy etsi, lambanontas tis apofaseis gia thn antimetwpish twn qematwn ths xwras, na proxwroyme meta sthn efarmogh toys gia na ikanopoihsoyme to aithma toy ellhnikoy laoy, alla kai tis anagkes ths xwras gia mia isxyrh Ellada toy 21oy aiwna.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh eimaste ston k. Pagkalo, xqes milhse kai eipe oti prokeitai na kanoyme emeis prosfygh kai na zhthsoyme tis germanikes apozhmiwseis apo toys "lhstes" ths epoxhs ekeinhs. Ti exete na peite;

REPPAS: To qema ayto paramenei sto trapezi twn syzhthsewn kaqe fora poy exoyme th dynatothta, sto plaisio twn dimerwn sxesewn, na antimetwpisoyme ta zhthmata poy apasxoloyn tis dyo xwres. H Ellada den exei paraithqei ayths ths diekdikhshs. Thn exei qesei kai o Prwqypoyrgos, kata thn prwth episkech toy sth Germania, ston tote Kagkelario k. Kol. Kat` epanalhch apo tote ews shmera oi ajiwmatoyxoi h oi ekproswpoi ths Kybernhshs mas, se diafores eykairies kai me diaforoys tropoys, epishmainoyn pws paramenei anoikto kai ayto to qema. Einai mia ekkremothta poy apasxolei tis dimereis sxeseis kai qa prepei na antimetwpistei. Ayth einai h qesh mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To qema ayto qa to qesei o k. Shmiths kai sto neo Kagkelario;

REPPAS: H qesh mas ayth exei diaxronikh ajia kai shmasia. Asfalws, paramenei stoixeio ths politikhs mas, oson afora tis dimereis sxeseis Elladas-Germanias.

KIAOS: Sxetika me toys rwsikoys pyrayloys, toys S-300, ti neotero yparxei ayth th stigmh sth skech ths Kybernhsews, se synennohsh me th Leykwsia;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tipota neotero, den exei allajei tipota se sxesh me ayta poy einai gnwsta kai se sas. Exei lhfqei apofash toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias, h opoia isxyei apolytws. Exoyme kanei kapoies dhlwseis gia to qema ayto kai parakalw na meinoyme se ayth thn apofash, h opoia paramenei apolytws se isxy. Exei syndeqei, opws gnwrizete poly kala, me kapoies proypoqeseis h egkatastash h h mh egkatastash twn pyraylwn sthn Kypro. Ta qemata ayta qa ta ektimhsei kai pali h hgesia ths Kyproy. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh paramenei se apolyth eyqygrammish me toys xeirismoys kai tis epiloges poy kanei h Kypriakh Kybernhsh. Einai epiloges poy me aisqhma eyqynhs antapokrinontai sta symferonta ths Kyproy.

KIAOS: O k. Mperns synanthqhke xqes, proxqes me ton k. Pagkalo, ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo, ton k. Kranidiwth kai hqela na sas rwthsw an stis synanthseis aytes syzhthqhke kai to qema twn S-300;

REPPAS: O k. Mperns eixe aytes tis synanthseis me Ellhnes Ypoyrgoys. Prepei na sas pw oti, edw kai kairo, exei programmatistei kai me emena synanthsh, h opoia qa ginei ayrio. O k. Mperns ekproswpei thn kybernhsh twn HPA kai stis synanthseis aytes syzhta qemata dimeroys endiaferontos. Oi epafes aytes entassontai sto plaisio twn taktikwn synanthsewn poy exei h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn me ton presbh twn HPA.

KIAOS: Rwtaw an syzhthqhke to qema twn S-300;

REPPAS: Ayto to qema, opws gnwrizete, apotelei antikeimeno xeirismwn ths Kypriakhs Kybernhshs. Den einai, asfalws, qema ellhnoamerikaniko. Den einai dynaton tetoia qemata na ta syzhtoyme, xwris na einai paroysa h Kypriakh Kybernhsh h xwris na exei ekdhlwsei thn epiqymia na xeiristoyme ena qema to opoio, kata kyriarxo tropo, xeirizetai ekeinh, giati afora thn amyna ths Kyproy.

KIAOS: Pantws, thn periptwsh ths Krhths thn apokleiete;

REPPAS: Einai kati to opoio grafetai kat` epanalhch. Prepei na sas pw oti den exei antimetwpistei tetoio qema. H apofash poy exei lhfqei den exei allajei, paramenei se isxy. Ola ta alla ta opoia grafontai mporei na apoteloyn idees, apoceis h proseggiseis diaforwn paragontwn. Den exoyn teqei se kapoio epishmo trapezi syzhthsewn. Zhtw, omws, gia ta qemata ayta na eimaste poly prosektikoi kai epifylaktikoi, doqentos oti mia megalh ektash sth syzhthsh aytwn twn qematwn meiwnei taytoxrona to pedio syzhthshs poy afora ayto kaq` eayto to kentriko problhma ths Kyproy, poy einai to problhma eisbolhs kai katoxhs apo jenes dynameis. Pisteyw, loipon, oti to qema ths "pyraylologias" den qa prepei na mas apasxolei toso poly, oso to megalo qema ths katoxhs ths Kyproy, to opoio kai prepei na antimetwpisoyme apotelesmatika. Exoyn akoystei aytes oi apoceis kai exw dei sxetika dhmosieymata. Prepei, omws, na sas pw oti den exei allajei se tipota h apofash poy gnwrizete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh syzhtame gia ton k. Mperns qelw na rwthsw: O k. Mperns, stis synanthseis toy me ton k. Pagkalo kai ton k. Kranidiwth, synodeyotan apo allon Amerikano Ajiwmatoyxo kai poion;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw an htan kapoioi alloi kai poioi me ton k. Mperns.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Zhthse bohqeia h kapoia symmetoxh ths Elladas se xtyphma sto Irak;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti gia ta qemata toy Irak exei lhfqei apofash edw kai poly kairo. Yparxei ekei h Omada, h opoia epopteyei h elegxei an h hgesia toy Irak exei symmorfwqei me ena plaisio arxwn kai drasewn poy exoyn symfwnhqei. Den yparxei opoiadhpote allh ejelijh sto qema ayto. Apo th dikh mas pleyra den problepetai kati to opoio na allazei th mexri twra katastash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: An zhthsan, lew, kyrie Ypoyrge, na xrhsimopoihqei h Krhth h allo meros, giati apoxwroyn aytoi poy lete apo ekei.

REPPAS: Sto plaisio twn synanthsewn aytwn ginetai mia episkophsh olwn twn qematwn. Alla, antilambaneste pws apo th stigmh poy lew oti den allazei kati apo thn pleyra mas, se sxesh me th stash poy mexri twra exoyme krathsei h throyme, den prepei ki eseis na perimenete kati qeamatika diaforetiko.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh;

REPPAS: Kati diaforetiko, kati to opoio na synista allagh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, se periptwsh xtyphmatos qa symmetasxoyme;

REPPAS: Mhn prospaqeite na bgalete symperasma. Exoyme labei meros se kapoia tetoia epixeirhsh ktyphmatos; Den exoyme labei. Ara, ti symperasma bgazete; Ayto to opoio bgalate h to teleiws diaforetiko; Apo kei kai pera ola ayta ta qemata -epanalambanw- logiko einai sto plaisio mias dimeroys epafhs na syzhtoyntai, na ginetai mia episkophsh. Apo thn allh den prepei na syzhtoyme emeis dhmosiws kai malista me leptomereies, gia to periexomeno mias tetoias synanthshs. Otan synantioyntai oi ekproswpoi dyo xwrwn logiko einai na kanoyn mia episkophsh diaforwn qematwn, poy exoyn endiaferon gia tis dyo xwres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhmosiws, k. Ypoyrge. Emeis dhmosiws syzhtame. Pws qa to rwthsoyme, dhladh, ypogeiws;

REPPAS: Bebaiws, dhmosiws rwtate kai egw dhmosiws apantw. Kai sas lew oti, sto plaisio twn taktikwn synanthsewn syzhtoyntai qemata dimeroys endiaferontos. Den einai prwth fora poy ginontai tetoies synanthseis kai den qa einai kai h teleytaia.

SOYRMELH: Etsi opws to lete twra bgainei ena qema, epibebaiwnete, dhladh, oti syzhthqhke to qema toy Irak.

REPPAS: Den epibebaiwsa tipota. Apla, sas lew -einai kanonas ayto- oti se tetoies synanthseis syzhtoyntai qemata ta opoia apasxoloyn tis dyo xwres.

SOYRMELH: Nai, alla, apantwntas se sxetikh erwthsh poy sas egine, epibebaiwnete oti syzhthqhke ayto to qema. Ara...

REPPAS: Ayto to opoio eipa egw, afora th stash h th qesh ths Elladas. Kai sas eipa oti h qesh mas einai ayth poy mexri twra gnwrizete ki eseis. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto. Den yparxei opoiadhpote neoterh ejelijh.

SOYRMELH: Sas zhthqhke apo thn amerikanikh pleyra h xrhsh kapoiwn dieykolynsewn; Dhladh, kapoio aerodromio, h Soyda, gia kapoia epixeirhsh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti h Soyda qewreitai NATOikh bash kai exei enan eidiko kanonismo leitoyrgias. Apo kei kai pera epanalambanw oti ta qemata, ta opoia syzhtoyntai se aytes tis synanthseis, einai koinoy endiaferontos. Gnwrizete poly kala oti emeis, ayth thn periodo, exoyme para polla qemata, ta opoia exoyn gia mas proteraiothta kai ayta mas apasxoloyn. Mas apasxoloyn para poly, wste ki eseis na ypoqetete basima pws ayta apotelesan kai ton kormo syzhthshs metajy twn dyo andrwn.

BITALHS: H ellhnikh pleyra, meta thn apotyxia poy eixe h prosfath episkech amerikanwn ajiwmatoyxwn sta katexomena gia ton elegxo oplwn, janazhthse apo ton k. Mperns na entaqoyn oi prospaqeies pros ayth thn kateyqynsh;

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena qema to opoio synexws tiqetai. Exei apasxolhsei thn Kybernhsh twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn kai ta nomoqetika swmata. Einai ena qema to opoio ki emeis epimonws qetoyme. Giati einai adianohto na xrhsimopoioyntai apo tis dynameis katoxhs opla ta opoia exoyn promhqeytei oi dynameis aytes apo tis HPA, parabiazontas kanonismoys kai apofaseis poy exoyn lhfqei stis HPA. Qa prepei na ginei pio epistamena oysiastikos elegxos, giati yparxei, an oxi bebaiothta, basimh ektimhsh oti pragmati amerikanika opla xrhsimopoioyntai apo tis katoxikes dynameis sthn Kypro.

KIAOS: Sxetika me thn parathrhsh, dhlwsh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, xqes, poy milhse gia tis parabiaseis twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn apo thn ejoysia, dhladh, kai isws kai sto diko mas kratos.

REPPAS: Den qa sxoliasw, opws kanw panta, tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

KIAOS: Egw den zhthsa sxolio. Hqela thn epishmansh ayth toy Proedroy na thn proxwrhsete kai na entopisete ki eseis parabiaseis anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn. Den zhthsa sxolio.

REPPAS: Sth xwra mas ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata ginontai sebasta. Bebaiws, prepei h eyaisqhsia poy exoyme na einai akraia, wste ana pasa stigmh na eimaste etoimoi na antimetwpisoyme apotelesmatika fainomena poy piqanws ekdhlwqoyn. Otan diatypwnontai sxetikes kataggelies, otan perierxontai ypoch mas stoixeia ta opoia synistoyn tetoioy eidoys parektropes, h antimetwpish einai amesh. Giati epiqymoyme, h Ellada se qemata Dhmokratias kai sebasmoy twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn, na kineitai se ena poly ychlo epipedo. Qa elega se ena apo ta ychlotera epipeda, ta opoia dieqnws mporei kaneis na synanthsei.

SOYGLERHS: Yparxei problhma synergasias metajy toy Proedroy toy OTE k. Rapanoy me to Dieyqynonta Symboylo k. Xrysoloyrh;

REPPAS: Kanena problhma synergasias den yparxei. Apodeijh aytoy einai oti synexizoyn na synergazontai me thn idiothta poy exoyn oi dyo andres.

SOYGLERHS: Einai gegonos oti o k. Rapanos exei zhthsei synanthsh me ton k. Shmith, giati oi sxeseis ton teleytaio kairo einai tetamenes, den einai kales;

REPPAS: Den exei sxesh to ena me to allo.

SOYGLERHS: Se qemata synergasias... Symfwna me plhrofories, dhmosieymata lene oti ton teleytaio kairo einai tetamenes oi sxeseis, oson afora ta ependytika programmata kai tis promhqeies.

REPPAS: Den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia ola ayta ta opoia kykloforoyn. Polles fores, isws, kapoioi logoi skopimothtas dhmioyrgoyn tetoies fhmes sthn agora. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h hgesia toy OTE me epityxia odhghse to megalo organismo se mia akomh shmantikh ejelijh, opws einai h eisagwgh toy se ena megalo dieqnes Xrhmatisthrio. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti mphke se agores geitonikwn xwrwn kai exei ena megalo pososto ston elegxo twn thlepikoinwniakwn organismwn twn xwrwn aytwn. O OTE einai pleon enas organismos o opoios, me dieqnh metra krinomenos, mporei na pei kaneis oti paei poly kala. Einai enas kolossos. Ola ayta deixnoyn oti o OTE exei mia poreia anaptyjhs idiaitera ajioshmeiwth.

Sas eyxaristw.

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