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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 8 Septembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na moy peite oi idiwtikopoihseis ths Kybernhshs giati apotygxanoyn kai giati paraithqhke o k. Papoylias apo ton OTE;

REPPAS: Oi diarqrwtikes allages proxwroyn me ikanopoihtikoys ryqmoys. Perilambanoyn apokratikopoihseis - idiwtikopoihseis h metoxopoihseis Organismwn toy Dhmosioy h thn ejygiansh dhmosiwn forewn me programmata ta opoia odhgoyn sthn anaptyjh twn drasthriothtwn toys kai ton eksygxronismo ths leitoyrgias toys. Mporw na anaferw sygkekrimena paradeigmata:

-Oson afora thn ejygiansh forewn toy Dhmosioy, anaferomai sta ELTA. To montelo ayto qa akoloyqhqei kai ston OSE, kaqws kai stis Astikes Sygkoinwnies.

-Oson afora to qema twn metoxopoihsewn, anaferomai ston epityxh tropo me ton opoio proxwrhse, se dyo stadia ews shmera -kai akoloyqei kai trito- h metoxopoihsh toy OTE.

-Oson afora to programma twn idiwtikopoihsewn - apokratikopoihsewn, anaferomai sthn pwlhsh trapezwn - h Trapeza Krhths, h Trapeza Kentrikhs Elladas, h Trapeza Makedonias Qrakhs- kai, bebaiws, to programma ayto synexizetai me to neo diagwnismo poy qa prokhryxqei gia thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas kai twn KAE. Ara, loipon, mporoyme na poyme oti oi tomes aytes poy exei epixeirhsei h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh stefontai, se megalo baqmo, apo epityxia. An, de, lhfqei ypoch oti ena tetoio programma diarqrwtikwn allagwn gia prwth fora lambanei xwra sthn patrida mas, mporoyme kallista na poyme oti ta apotelesmata einai qetika. Asfalws, to programma ayto ejelissetai, alla den epitrepetai se opoiondhpote na mila gia apotyxia.

Oson afora, twra, thn paraithsh toy k. Papoylia apo th qesh toy Proedroy toy D. S. toy OTE, as afhsoyme ton idio ton k. Papoylia na milhsei, mesw ths epistolhs paraithshs toy. O k. Papoylias, akadhmaikos, ejairetikos apo kaqe apoch, apofasise oti oloklhrwse enan kyklo ergasias kai prosforas ston OTE kai epiqymei na epistrecei sta akadhmaika kaqhkonta toy. Aytos einai o logos poy ton odhghse s` ayth thn apofash. Den yparxei o,tidhpote allo to opoio mporei kapoios na epikalestei gia na isxyristei oti h paraithsh ayth exei politika kinhtra h odhgei se kapoies alles politikes synepeies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, poy ton eidate ton epityxhmeno tropo metoxopoihshs toy OTE; Afoy apetyxe kai twra gi `ayto paraithqhke o k. Papoylias. Aitia ths paraithshs toy k. Papoylia einai ayth.

REPPAS: Den eiste arketa enhmeros...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw den eimai enhmeros;

REPPAS:... oti o OTE exei proxwrhsei se metoxopoihsh, h opoia stefqhke apo epityxia, enw gnwrizete oti palaiotera epixeirhqhke, me allon tropo, kai h apotyxia htan patagwdhs, epi hmerwn Kybernhshs ths N. D.. Ayto, akribws, deixnei oti to egxeirhma organwqhke poly kala, wste kai ta apotelesmata na einai qetika. Exoyme dyo fores proxwrhsei se metoxopoihsh enos orismenoy posostoy apo to synoliko paketo metoxwn toy OTE kai proxwrhsame, epanalambanw, me epityxia. Ayto apodeiknyetai apo toys ariqmoys. Epikeitai ena trito stadio, mia akomh fash diaqeshs enos posostoy metoxwn toy OTE mesw toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Pisteyoyme oti kai ayto to egxeirhma qa stefqei apo epityxia, opws kai ta dyo prohgoymena. Den exei allajei tipota. Gi` ayto, akribws, eipa -an qelete allazw th lejh- oti den eiste enhmeros. Apla, lew oti den einai swsto ayto to symperasma sto opoio exete katalhjei, giati oi metoxopoihseis poy eginan htan epityxeis. Metoxopoihsh toy OTE, h opoia na epixeirhqhke kai na katelhje se apotyxia, den yparxei. Epikeitai mia akomh fash metoxopoihshs, h opoia pisteyoyme oti qa einai epityxhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai akomh qewreite epityxhmenh thn apokratikopoihsh me dyo megales apotyxies, gia ta KAE kai thn Ionikh; Epityxia einai ayto;

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei kat` epanalhch gia ola ayta ta qemata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lew, ayto einai epityxia;

REPPAS: Qa hqela na deite synolika to programma twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn kai na bgalete to teliko symperasma sas kalopista, sygkrinontas to terastio ayto programma allagwn to opoio prowqei h shmerinh Kybernhsh, se sxesh me ayto to poio epixeirhsan atolma, aprogrammatista kai xwris diafaneia oi Kybernhseis ths Neas Dhmokratias, gia na odhghqoyn se plhres adiejodo kai apotyxia. Apo thn allh qa prepei na ektimhsete oti h diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai sthn Ellada einai prwtognwrh kai gi` ayto akribws synanta dyskolies to egxeirhma. Pote den apokrycame aytes tis dyskolies. Mporoyme, omws, na poyme oti niwqoyme mia ikanopoihsh giati, telikws, o isologismos einai qetikos. Anefera me leptomereies, paradeigmata epixeirhsewn toy Dhmosioy, gia tis opoies exoyn analhfqei orismenes prwtoboylies ths Kybernhshs, eite oson afora thn ejygiansh toys, eite th metoxopoihsh toys, eite th synolikh pwlhsh toys. Kai stoys treis aytoys tomeis exoyme deigmata pws to ergo mas einai epityxes kai prepei na anagnwristei.

POYLIDOY: Milhsate gia epityxia me thn opoia stefqhkan oi diarqrwtikes allages. O k. Papoytshs, xqes, milwntas sth Qessalonikh -h gnwmh toy opoioy einai barynoysa- ekane kritikh s` aytes tis diarqrwtikes parembaseis ths Kybernhshs, qewrwntas tes aneparkeis kai tonizontas oti to qema den einai h onomastikh sygklish, alla h pragmatikh sygklish. Ti exete na apanthsete;

REPPAS: Asfalws, epidiwkoyme thn pragmatikh kai oysiastikh sygklish. Pisteyw oti kinoymaste s` ayth thn kateyqynsh, oxi giati to martyroyn oi ariqmoi, alla epeidh to epipedo ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs einai tetoio poy apodeiknyei toy logoy moy to alhqes. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh endiaferetai na epityxei th sygklish, me tis alles xwres ths E. E., mesa apo ena programma to opoio den einai acyxo, giati anaferetai prwta kai kyria ston anqrwpino paragonta. H sygklish ayth qa einai sygklish toy synoloy toy ellhnikoy laoy, toy synoloy ths xwras. Gi` ayto akribws, me metra koinwnikhs politikhs antistaqmizoyme tis dysmeneis synepeies poy prokyptoyn apo tis diarqrwtikes allages, oson afora eypaqeis omades toy plhqysmoy mas kai prospaqoyme na diasfalisoyme thn koinwnikh synoxh me sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies, stis opoies kat` epanalhch exoyme anaferqei. Ara, loipon, epidiwkoyme thn pragmatikh sygklish, kinoymaste se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Twra, o ryqmos kai h eparkeia twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn einai qema to opoio, bebaiws, mporei na antimetwpistei me diaforetiko prisma apo kapoion allo. Qa prepei, omws, opoiosdhpote askei mia tetoia kritikh, na diatypwsei plhrws kai me safhneia thn apoch toy gia to koinwniko kostos, to opoio synepagetai mia diarqrwtikh parembash, h opoia dhmioyrgei, polles fores, parenergeies poy den prepei na agnooyme. Kai oi parenergeies aytes otan aforoyn sympolites mas, ergazomenoys, qa prepei na exoyn sth dikh mas proteraiothta mia poly ychlh qesh kai na tis antimetwpizoyme.

POYLIDOY: O k. Papoytshs ekane mia protash kai eipe oti to kostos ths prosarmoghs prepei na to moirastei o idiwtikos foreas me thn Politeia. Ayth einai mia protash thn opoia ypebale. To deytero erwthma moy einai, oti ean ayta poy lete den peiqoyn oyte epishmoys ekproswpoys ths xwras, ayto to symban den sas anhsyxei ws Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Qa mas anhsyxoyse poly an eixame diapistwsei oti eimaste se apoklish apo toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei, telikws -dhladh- an eimaste se apoklish apo thn prospaqeia na sygklinoyme me tis alles xwres ths E. E., enocei ths entajhs ths xwras mas sthn ONE. Asfalws, to kostos twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn h to kostos ths sygklishs, qa prepei na to analaboyn oi polites ths xwras, analogws twn dynatothtwn poy exei o kaqenas. Kai gi` ayto akribws den qeloyme oi laikes tajeis, ta koinwnika strwmata ta opoia exoyn isxno eisodhma, na epibarynqoyn ypermetra, etsi wste na mhn mporesoyn na parakoloyqhsoyn ayth thn poreia sygklishs. Sto plaisio, loipon, ths koinwnikhs synoxhs, thn opoia qeloyme na diasfalisoyme -kai eggyoymaste ayth thn koinwnikh synoxh- pairnoyme ayta ta metra poy pairnoyme, wste na moirasoyme akribodikaia to kostos poy synepagetai h politikh poy akoloyqoyme. Kai pisteyoyme oti o idiwtikos foreas - exei eipwqei kat` epanalhch- prepei na analabei to kostos poy toy analogei. Kai toy analogei ena poly megalo meros, to opoio kai analambanei. Kai, bebaiws, h Politeia analambanei apo th dikh ths pleyra thn ypoxrewsh, me metra antistaqmistikhs politikhs, na kalycei kai na prostateysei toys polites ekeinoys oi opoioi prepei na exoyn ena ajioprepes epipedo diabiwshs. Na mhn plhrwsoyn, dhladh, telikws aytoi to kostos ths sygklishs. Ayto ginetai sthn patrida mas. Ayto einai mia pragmatikothta kai den apotelei antikeimeno synedriwn h filologias.

FILHS: H Kybernhsh gnwrizei ayto to opoio egrafh oti anaferetai kai sthn paraithsh toy k. Papoylia, oti orkwtoi logistes exoyn epishmanei kapoia problhmata ston isologismo toy a' ejamhnoy toy OTE;

REPPAS: Den anaferetai kati tetoio sthn epistolh paraithshs toy k. Papoylia. O k. Papoylias einai safhs sthn epistolh poy exei steilei, h opoia qa doqei sth dhmosiothta, an den exei, hdh, doqei.

FILHS: H Kybernhsh gnwrizei oti yparxoyn problhmata,. opws legetai, oti exoyn diapistwqei apo toys orkwtoys logistes ston isologismo toy a' ejamhnoy toy OTE;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw ta eswterika toy OTE me leptomereies, alla h Kybernhsh parakoloyqei th drasthriothta kai th leitoyrgia toy megaloy aytoy Organismoy, o opoios prepei na pw oti exei kanei poly shmantika bhmata. Anaferetai s` ayta o k. Papoylias. Den tiqetai, ej oswn gnwrizoyme, qema anajiopistias stoixeiwn, oson afora th leitoyrgia toy OTE.

FILHS: Se sxesh me thn atyxh symprajh toy OTE me amerikanikh etaireia, gia kapoies koines ependytikes prwtoboylies sthn Anatolikh Eyrwph, yparxei kapoia kritikh poy askeitai apo thn Kybernhsh sth dioikhsh toy OTE;

REPPAS: Oydemia kritikh askeitai. O OTE einai aytonomos Organismos. Gnwrizete oti einai eishgmenos sto Xrhmatisthrio. Qa prepei, metajy twn allwn, na prostateysei kai ta symferonta twn metoxwn toy. H Dioikhsh toy, h Dieyqynsh toy, analambanei diafores prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na enisxysei th qesh toy OTE sthn eyryterh perioxh. Na symbalei, dhladh, sth dieisdysh toy OTE stis geitonikes xwres. Kai ayto qa to epityxei, proxwrwntas se synergasia me alloys thlepikoinwniakoys foreis. To an oi synergasies aytes proxwroyn, oloklhrwnontai h oxi, einai kati to opoio qa prepei, pali, o OTE na to apofasisei kai na to ektimhsei me bash ta symferonta toy Organismoy kai twn metoxwn toy.

FILHS: Eseis ws armodios Ypoyrgos Typoy, poy xeirizetai to qema ths chfiakhs thleorashs, eixate pei oti yphrxe mia symmetoxh toy k. Xrysoloyrh stis kybernhtikes syskeceis gia to qema ayto. O k. Papoylias eixe kapoia anameijh sto qema ayto;

REPPAS: Asfalws, o k. Papoylias symmeteixe stis prwtes syskeceis poy eixame, prokeimenoy na orisoyme ena plaisio me toys kanones kai tis proypoqeseis anaptyjhs aytwn twn drasthriothtwn, oson afora thn chfiakh texnologia.

FILHS: Exei anakoinwqei oti h Kybernhsh epidiwkei ena megalo poso, den qymamai poso akribws, apo thn idiwtikopoihsh toy tritoy paketoy toy OTE, poy ena megalo meros, na perasei, aytos htan o arxikos sxediasmos, apo to Xrhmatisthrio ths Neas Yorkhs. Me dedomenh thn astaqeia stis dieqneis agores kai idiaitera ta problhmata poy yparxoyn sto Xrhmatisthrio ths Neas Yorkhs, h Kybernhsh epimenei s` ayto to xronodiagramma;

REPPAS: Parakoloyqoyme tis ejelijeis. Ayth thn wra, den exei allajei kati se sxesh me ton arxiko programmatismo mas. O OTE synergazetai me egkyroys symboyloys, prokeimenoy na ejetazei kaqe fora tis synqhkes, opws aytes diamorfwnontai kai thn katallhlh stigmh qa labei tis telikes apofaseis toy. Pantws, o programmatismos mas gia metoxopoihsh enos paketoy metoxwn toy OTE, stis arxes Noembrioy, paramenei opws akribws exei ejaggelqei. Epanalambanw, omws, oti o OTE exei tis dynatothtes, exei episthmoniko epiteleio, exei synergates, wste na gnwrizei pws akribws exoyn ta pragmata gia na kanei tis aristes gia ta symferonta toy epiloges.

FILHS: Gia poio logo paraithqhke o k. Papoylias, einai ena qema poy qa to plhroforhqoyme, fantazomai, apo ton idion. Omws, o k. Papoylias einai apo toys ikanoys synergates toy Prwqypoyrgoy. To oti h paraithsh toy ayth exei ej antikeimenoy politiko xarakthra einai anamfisbhthto. Yparxei kapoio sxolio gia thn ej antikeimenoy politikh diastash ths paraithshs toy k. Papoylia;

REPPAS: O k. Papoylias qewrei oti oloklhrwse enan kyklo prosforas ston OTE kai qelei na epistrecei sta akadhmaika kaqhkonta toy. Giati prepei na bgazoyme politika symperasmata; Kai giati den xairomaste otan sthn patrida mas yparxoyn stelexh, ta opoia arnoyntai na synexisoyn na ergazontai se enan Organismo poy isws toys ejasfalizei, kales synqhkes zwhs, megalh probolh, alla toys krata makria apo ayto poy apotelei to paqos ths zwhs toys; Thn akadhmaikh toys kariera.

KIAOS: Exei paqos me ti;

REPPAS: Exei paqos o k. Papoylias me th didaskalia. Qelei na didaskei, qelei na asxoleitai me to Panepisthmio. Kai prepei na sas pw -epeidh exw kai amesh proswpikh gnwsh- oti o k. Papoylias qewrei oti emeine kai para poly ston OTE, se sxesh me ayto poy o idios hqele. O k. Papoylias qelei na parameinei sto Panepisthmio kai qelei na anaptyjei drasthriothtes sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras, oi opoies den exoyn sxesh me epixeirhseis, opws einai o OTE, para to oti h paroysia toy ston OTE mporei na pei kaneis oti htan toso epityxhmenh, wste einai apwleia h apoxwrhsh toy.

KIAOS: Mia dieykrinish. Tote, afoy einai etsi kai eynoeite na epistrefoyn sta kaqhkonta toys sto Panepisthmio, giati synexizei h Kybernhsh na xrhsimopoiei kaqhghtes panepisthmioy;

REPPAS: Den toys ejanagkazei. O kaqenas kanei tis epiloges toy gia qemata poy ton aforoyn.

KIAOS: Eseis, giati to kanete;

REPPAS: Den epistrateyetai kaneis. Gnwrizete poly kala oti sthn Ellada yparxei dhmokratia. Yparxoyn ajiologa stelexh. Kai bebaiws, tetoia stelexh briskontai ston akadhmaiko xwro kai prepei na ajiopoioyntai. Alla, yparxoyn kai anqrwpoi oi opoioi protassoyn, polles fores, ta akadhmaika toys kaqhkonta, se sxesh me o,tidhpote allo. Ayto den prepei na sas kanei entypwsh. Mporei na einai meiochfia. Mporei na einai elaxistoi. Yparxoyn, omws. Kai apodeijh aytoy einai o k. Papoylias.

KIAOS: Eseis, giati toys xrhsimopoieite;

REPPAS: Giati prepei na ajiopoihsoyme o,ti kalytero dynamiko yparxei sthn ellhnikh koinwnia. Kai h akadhmaikh koinothta diaqetei stelexh aytoy toy epipedoy.

MOYRTZHS: Me dedomeno oti o k. Papoylias eixe kai ejakoloyqei na exei stenes filikes sxeseis me ton Prwqypoyrgo, exei diatelesei epishs kai Genikos Grammateas sto Ypoyrgeio Biomhxanias, an qymamai kala, ejefrase me opoiondhpote tropo ston Prwqypoyrgo thn proqesh toy na paraithqei, prin thn epistolh paraithshs toy kai diatypwse parapona gia thn yperkinhtikothta toy k. Xrysoloyrh;

REPPAS: Den diatypwse opoiodhpote parapono o k. Papoylias. O k. Papoylias, pragmatika, einai synergaths kai filos, edw kai para polla xronia, toy Prwqypoyrgoy. O k. Papoylias qewrhse oti prosefere o,ti kalytero kai perissotero mporoyse ston OTE kai apofasise na epistrecei sta akadhmaika toy kaqhkonta. Den yparxei otidhpote allo. Allwste, o k. Xrysoloyrhs epelegh meta apo protash ths Kybernhshs gia th qesh toy dieyqynonta symboyloy toy OTE. H synergasia toys htan para poly kalh. Ayto, allwste, apodeiknyetai apo ta apotelesmata poy petyxe o Organismos me epikefalhs toys dyo aytoys shmantikoys paragontes.

PARIS: Se alles eyrwpaikes xwres kai stis HPA, h qesh toy proedroy tetoiwn Organismwn stadiaka exei antikatastaqei apo to dieyqynonta symboylo, o opoios exei kai toys dyo roloys. Me ena paketo metoxwn se idiwtes, opws einai twra o OTE, skeftetai h Kybernhsh twra h mellontika, ayth th qesh na thn katarghsei, yparxei logos na yparxei ayth h qesh;

REPPAS: Ayth thn wra den allazei tipota, oson afora th domh sthn ierarxia ths megalhs ayths epixeirhshs, se dieyqyntiko epipedo. Sas anakoinwnw oti hdh o armodios Ypoyrgos Metaforwn k. Mantelhs exei kinhsei th sxetikh diadikasia, proteinontas gia th qesh toy Proedroy toy D. S. ton kaqhghth k. Rapano, o opoios qa kriqei apo thn armodia epitroph ths Boylhs, prokeimenoy na apofasistei h topoqethsh toy sto Dioikhtiko Symboylio toy OTE.

ANTWNIADOY: H efhmerida "EJOYSIA" dhmosieyei shmera plhrofories symfwna me tis opoies, h Hochtief prowqei ena prosymfwno kai zhtaei to 45% me 50% gia na misqwsei toys xwroys sta katasthmata aforologhtwn eidwn. Pisteyete oti qa yparjei genikotera problhma m` ayto to prosymfwno sthn pwlhsh twn katasthmatwn;

REPPAS: Arkoymai na pw twra oti yparxei ayto to kaloymeno, memoradum understanding, alla ayto einai kati to opoio den einai oristiko. H telikh symbash qa ypografei ennea mhnes prin th leitoyrgia toy aerodromioy. Gnwrizete oti to aerodromio anhkei se pososto 55% sto Dhmosio, ara kai ta esoda poy antistoixoyn s` ayto to pososto qa dinontai sto Dhmosio. Gia to qema ayto, sto opoio anaferetai shmera me leptomereies h efhmerida "EJOYSIA", qa yparjei leptomerhs apanthsh apo thn etairia twn aforologhtwn eidwn.

PETOYRH: Qa hqela to sxolio sas sxetika me tis parabiaseis toyrkikwn maxhtikwn aeroplanwn sto xwro toy Aigaioy, se syndyasmo me tis dhlwseis Gilmaz, o opoios eipe oti an proxwrhsei h agora twn pyraylwn S-300 sthn Kypro, ayto qa dhmioyrghsei genikotero problhma sthn perioxh.

REPPAS: Oson afora to prwto qema, h promhqeia kai egkatastash twn pyraylwn S-300 sthn Kypro apotelei dikaiwma ths kypriakhs Kybernhshs kai poly perissotero ypoxrewsh ths na proaspisei thn amyna ths Kyproy. H Dieqnhs Koinothta gnwrizei pws, gia para polla xronia, paramenei alyto to kypriako qema. To gegonos oti to problhma ths Kyproy paramenei anoikto, apotelei ayto apo mono toy, paragonta apostaqeropoihshs kai anwmalias. Ara, loipon, to zhthma to opoio prepei oloi na antimetwpisoyme einai to kypriako problhma, poy einai problhma eisbolhs kai katoxhs enos tmhmatos kratoys-meloys toy OHE. Oso synthreitai ayth h katastash, oso paramenei anoikth ayth h plhgh, dhmioyrgoyntai kindynoi apostaqeropoihshs gia thn perioxh. Oson afora, twra, th drasthriothta poy aneptyjan toyrkika polemika aeroskafh, xqes kai shmera to prwi, prepei na pw oti h drasthriothta toys ayth sto kentriko Aigaio epibebaiwnei ayto poy kat' epanalhch exoyme tonisei: Oti, dhladh, h Toyrkia den epiqymei na symbalei sthn ektonwsh ths krishs stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn. Prokalei, epitiqetai kai synthrei thn entash, h opoia kaqe allo para ths dinei to dikaiwma na mila me ton tropo me ton opoio mila apeyqynomenh sth Dieqnh Koinothta. Ws xwra, dhladh, h opoia sebetai toys dieqneis kanones, epidiwkei kalh geitonia kai epiqymei na entaxqei stis eyrwpaikes diadikasies. H symperifora ths ayth apodeiknyei to antiqeto. Kai ayto qa prepei na lhfqei sobara ypoch apo th Dieqnh Koinothta. Kai otan syzhta ayta ta qemata qa prepei na synektima th symperifora ths Toyrkias, h opoia kaqe allo para epoikodomhtikh einai.

PETOYRH: To deytero erwthma moy, afora th diagrafh twn tessarwn apokaloymenwn antartwn toy PASOK. Einai ayto ena mhnyma kai pros toys ypoloipoys;

REPPAS: To qema ayto afora to Kinhma kai tis diadikasies toy kommatos. Den qa apanthsw egw gi` ayto. Apla, ypenqymizw oti to PASOK, ws Kinhma, gia prwth fora egkairws, me dhmokratikes diadikasies proxwrhse sthn epilogh twn ypochfiwn enocei twn eperxomenwn nomarxiakwn kai dhmotikwn eklogwn. Ta organa toy Kinhmatos ta opoia elaban tis apofaseis den mporei para na asxolhqoyn me ta fainomena ekeina ektrophs stelexwn toy PASOK apo thn ypoxrewsh poy exoyn kai th desmeysh poy analambanoyn na sebontai tis apofaseis twn Organwn.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate oti to PASOK gia prwth fora proxwrhse me dhmokratikes diadikasies sthn epilogh twn ypochfiwn. Tis prohgoymenes fores me poies diadikasies proxwrhse... ;

REPPAS: Pisteyoyme oti egkairws kai me systhmatiko kai dhmokratiko tropo eginan oi epiloges kai malista prepei na pw -to gnwrizete ki eseis- oti eginan me tetoies diadikasies poy den exoyn prohgoymeno sthn istoria toy Kinhmatos. Syzhtoyme qemata toy Kinhmatos, ayto, omws einai mia alhqeia. Gnwrizete oti edw kai arketoys mhnes exoyn klhqei oi Organwseis, ta stelexh kai ta Organa toy Kinhmatos na asxolhqoyn me to qema kai exoyn labei apofaseis. As mhn mpoyme, omws, perapera s` ayto, giati den apotelei qema, para monon toy PASOK. Edw syzhtoyme qemata ths Kybernhshs.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Apanthsate, omws.

REPPAS: Apanthsa. Den anakalw thn apanthsh. Kleinei to qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prokeitai na diagrafoyn kai alloi;

REPPAS: Gia ola ayta ta qemata yparxoyn ta syllogika Organa toy PASOK, ta opoia epilambanontai kai apofasizoyn.

BIKETOS:. Qa hqela na rwthsw gia to Kypriako: O Amerikanos presbhs sth Leykwsia, apefyge kai pali na topoqethqei shmera epi twn toyrkikwn protasewn gia th synomospondia kai oxi mono ayto, apefyge na topoqethqei kai panw sto qema ths bashs toy dialogoy. Qa hqela ena sxolio gia thn amerikanikh ayth stash kai an eseis ektimate oti h amerikanikh stash afhnei periqwria ejetashs stis diapragmateyseis ths lyshs ths synomospondias.

REPPAS: Exei ekfrasqei epishma kai egkyra h qesh twn HPA sthn anakoinwsh poy ekdoqhke thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Oi HPA exoyn dhlwsei pws dexontai san bash gia tis syzhthseis tis Symfwnies Koryfhs toy 1977 kai toy 1979. Kai bebaiws, h kateyqynsh sthn opoia prepei na anazhthqei lysh einai h dizwnikh, dikoinotikh omospondia. H qesh toys ayth antapokrinetai kai stis prospaqeies poy kanei h kypriakh kybernhsh gia lysh toy kypriakoy qematos.

BIKETOS: Epishs, hqela na sas rwthsw poia shmasia apodidei h ellhnikh Kybernhsh stis episkeceis, meqayrio sthn Aqhna, ths kas Xergkoys, poy einai antiproswpos toy Gen. Grammatea sthn Kypro, kai toy k. Miller. Kai kata th dikh sas ektimhsh, ti mporei na shmainei to oti o k. Miller telika, symfwna me plhrofories apo diplwmatikes phges, den qa paei sthn Agkyra.

REPPAS: Einai qema toy k. Miller na epilegei se synennohsh me toys ekproswpoys twn diaforwn xwrwn, poioys qa episkefqei kai me poia seira. Apo th stigmh poy h ellhnikh Kybernhsh se synennohsh me thn amerikanikh symfwnhsan na ginei ayth h synanthsh kai h synergasia, den mas afora pws qa kinhqei o k. Miller peran ayths ths synanthshs. Pisteyoyme oti aytes oi episkeceis twn ajiwmatoyxwn sthn Ellada qa einai paragwgikes, qa einai epoikodomhtikes, giati h ellhnikh Kybernhsh sto plaisio ths politikhs poy kineitai kai h kypriakh Kybernhsh, exei protaseis ypeyqynes, oysiastikes, xrhsimes, oi opoies prepei na ajiopoihqoyn. Dystyxws, ayto den exei ginei ews twra kai lypoymaste gi' ayto. Elpizoyme omws, epeidh pote den einai arga, oti estw kai twra o dieqnhs paragwn kai oi dyo ajiwmatoyxoi, ektimwntas tis qeseis kai tis prospaqeies ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs qa apokomisoyn kati kalo apo aytes tis syzhthseis kai qa prowqhsoyn emprakta ayto to opoio qa symfwnhqei. Den qa meinei, dhladh olh ayth h syzhthsh, gramma keno periexomenoy.

POYLIDOY: Thn perasmenh fora o k. Pagkalos eixe pei oti den qelei na dei ton k. Miller, dioti gnwrizei tis skeceis toy kai ara qewrei oti den exei kati kainoyrgio na syzhthsei mazi toy. Ti mesolabhse kai ayth th fora qewrei oti exei kati endiaferon na toy pei o k. Miller;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti sto xrono poy perase apo tote, polla gegonota...

POYLIDOY: Enas mhnas einai, den einai xronos.

REPPAS: O xronos poy perase apo tote, twn ligwn, estw, mhnwn, jerete gia thn politikh oti einai polys. Gia thn istoria einai ligos, poly ligos. Gia thn politikh omws, h diarkeia twn mhnwn einai makra periodos. Mesolabhsan polla. Gia paradeigma, yphrje ayth h protash apo ton k. Ntenktas kai ton k. Tzem. H amerikanikh pleyra exei diatypwsei diafores qeseis. Alles kybernhseis exoyn ekfrasqei poikilotropws. Emeis epiqymoyme na parameinei zwhro to endiaferon ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas gia to kypriako qema. Kai qeloyme h kinhtikothta poy exei anaptyxqei na synexisqei. Den qeloyme na teqei kai pali sto periqwrio toy dieqnoys endiaferontos to Kypriako. Epiqymoyme, loipon, na diathrhqei ychla sthn atzenta ths syzhthshs poy kanei o dieqnhs paragwn. Katw apo ayto to prisma qa ginei h synanthsh kai pisteyoyme na einai oysiastikh kai paragwgikh.

PARIS: Hqela na sas rwthsw gia to qema ths forologias: An kai diabasa para poly prosektika thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai tis erwthseis kai apanthseis sth Qessalonikh kata th diarkeia ths synenteyjhs Typoy, den exw katalabei an qa yparxoyn programmatismenoi neoi foroi ston kainoyrgio proypologismo. Dhladh, san kai aytoys stis xrhmatisthriakes ergasies, se kapoia omologa opws eixe ginei perysi. Tetoioi foroi yparxoyn; Oxi ektakta pragmata, tetoioi foroi an yparxoyn.

REPPAS: Htan safeis oi apanthseis poy doqhkan stis sxetikes erwthseis. Den antimetwpizei tetoio qema h Kybernhsh.

FILHS: Xqes, o ekproswpos toy Arxiepiskopoy, sxoliazontas mia dhlwsh toy k. Giannopoyloy sth Qessalonikh, eipe oti apo edw kai sto ejhs o Arxiepiskopos qa arxisei na dinei apanthseis ston k. Giannopoylo. Yparxei kanena sxolio apo thn pleyra ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Den einai dynaton na orisoyme emeis to plaisio entos toy opoioy qa kineitai kai qa omilei o ekproswpos ths Arxiepiskophs. Oi polites sthn Ellada einai eleyqeroi na diatypwnoyn tis apoceis toys. Kai bebaiws, o ekproswpos ths Arxiepiskophs exei sygkekrimena kaqhkonta ta opoia yphretei, antapokrinetai stis ypoxrewseis poy exei analabei. Alloi qa krinoyn, aytoi poy ton orisan, an antapokrinetai me epityxia.

FILHS: Antapokrinetai ston kanona poy eqese o k. Shmiths, milwntas proxqes sth Qessalonikh, gia to pws prepei na symperiferetai h Ekklhsia kai pws h Politeia; Enos tetoioy typoy dialogos qa xrhsimopoihqei me ton k. Giannopoylo;

REPPAS: O k. Shmiths htan safhs. To plaisio to opoio eqese gia thn armonikh synergasia metajy Politeias kai Ekklhsias apotelei th sofh syntagh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Tis dhlwseis poy ekane, xqes, o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs peri "politismoy kai xaroymenhs politikhs", h Kybernhsh tis aspazetai h tis qewrei kai aytes ena deigma ths idiorryqmias toy k. Giannopoyloy;

REPPAS: Thn Kybernhsh den thn apasxoloyn oi proswpikes pepoiqhseis h ta "goysta" twn politikwn kai twn stelexwn ths sthn kaqhmerinh zwh toys. As afhsoyme kai ena xwro ths idiwtikhs zwhs twn anqrwpwn alwbhto kai makria apo tis "imperialistikes", polles fores, kai isopedwtikes dikes sas parembaseis. Parakalw, loipon, na sebastoyme oti ayta ta qemata anhkoyn sth sfaira toy proswpikoy kai as ta antimetwpizoyme katw ap` ayto to prisma.

FILHS: Otan koinopoioyntai thleoptikws, omws, pws na ta antimetwpizoyme;

REPPAS: Einai qema twn Meswn Enhmerwshs. An briskoyn endiaferon se tetoia qemata einai dikh toys epilogh na ta proballoyn kai na ta anadeiknyoyn. Den to epidiwje kaneis ayto. Den nomizw oti kalese opoiosdhpote politikos h poliths ena Meso Enhmerwshs prokeimenoy na probalei mia drasthriothta toy kai na kanei kapoia dhlwsh. An ta M. M. E., sto epipedo poy ekeina epilegoyn na kinoyntai, qewroyn oti ayta ta qemata paroysiazoyn endiaferon kai prepei na proballontai, einai kaqara qema diko toys. Ayto einai stoixeio ths Dhmokratias.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Anejarthtws ti kanoyn ta MME, qa hqela na rwthsw me bash thn antimetwpish toy imperialismoy, opws anaferate prohgoymenws...

REPPAS: To eipa xaritologwntas gia na xrhsimopoihsw mia lejh h opoia pleon den xrhsimopoieitai, gia na eyfranw ligo kai sas!

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Kai egw xaritologwntas qelw na rwthsw, an h shmerinh Kybernhsh protiqetai na epanelqei sthn politikh ths prohgoymenhs toy PASOK, h opoia epidotoyse me xrhmata ths Ergatikhs Estias toys xwroys, poy symfwna me ton k. Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs apoteloyn "politistikoys xwroys".

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala poia einai h politikh ths Kybernhshs sto qema ayto. Den exei allajei se tipota. Paramenoyme s' ayth thn politikh. Apo kei kai pera, qa prepei na dwsoyme to dikaiwma stoys 'Ellhnes polites na epilegoyn pws qa zhsoyn. Sto qema ayto den yparxei periorismos, oyte epitrepetai kapoios na parakoloyqei enan allon kai na ton krinei apo ton tropo me ton opoio epilegei na diaskedasei h na cyxagwgeitai.

PARIS: Einai ikanopoihmenh h ellhnikh Kybernhsh apo tis dhlwseis Israhlinwn epishmwn, oson afora thn episkech Gilmaz sto Tel-Abib kai olh ayth thn epishmothta. To erwtw giati se polles xwres opws sth Syria, sto Libano, ychla istamena proswpa ejefrasan diaforoys xarakthrismoys, eipan oti h episkech ayth pyrodotei thn entash. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: Exoyme diatypwsei thn politikh mas gia to qema ayto. Eimaste antiqetoi sthn politikh dhmioyrgias ajonwn sthn perioxh. Exoyme taxqei yper ths polymeroys synergasias giati pisteyoyme oti etsi prowqeitai h eirhnh kai h staqerothta. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, einai qetiko to gegonos -toylaxiston etsi ekfrazetai h Kybernhsh toy Israhl kai ths Toyrkias- to oti h synergasia twn dyo xwrwn den dhmioyrgei metwpo exqriko h antipalo se opoiadhpote allh xwra, apenanti sthn Ellada, apenanti sthn Kypro poy anaferqhkan sygkekrimena. Ayto einai qetiko. Bebaiws, sthn prajh qa prepei kaqe fora na apodeiknyetai oti h synergasia ayth den exei stoxo na blacei ta symferonta tritwn xwrwn.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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