Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-09-07

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 7 Septembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Gia to programma ayths ths ebdomadas, sas anaferw ta pio shmantika:

* Ayrio, Trith, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synergastei me ton k. Benizelo kai synergates toy, gia to qema twn ekdhlwsewn poy aforoyn to 2000, dhladh, thn allagh ths xilietias. O k. Qemelhs kai o k. Boytsakhs, symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia politistika qemata, qa laboyn, epishs, meros sth synergasia ayth.

* Thn Tetarth, stis 10.30, qa synanthqei me thn hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ergasias kai ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Oikonomias k. Papantwnioy, me antikeimeno ths syskechs, qemata apasxolhshs. Argotera, stis 12.30, qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Paideias k. Arsenh gia qemata armodiothtas toy.

* Thn Pempth, to prwi, stis 10.30, qa dexqei ton Proedro ths EDEK k. Lysaridh kai argotera, stis 11.30, qa dexqei ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Gioygkoslabias k. Giobanobits, o opoios episkeptetai th xwra mas. To meshmeri, stis 13.00, qa exei synergasia me to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK k. Skandalidh.

* Thn Paraskeyh, stis 10 p. m., qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Qema ths synedriashs qa einai h balkanikh politikh ths Kybernhshs. O k. Pagkalos kai alloi synarmodioi ypoyrgoi kai yfypoyrgoi, doqentos oti h balkanikh politikh exei polles pleyres, qa laboyn to logo.

* To Sabbato to prwi, exoyme to Eqniko Symboylio toy PASOK, enocei twn Nomarxiakwn kai Dhmotikwn Eklogwn, to opoio qa ginei sto Ghpedo Peristerioy.

MIXAHL: Ayto legetai "Andreas Papandreoy"...

REPPAS: Poly wraia, gi ayto to kanoyme ekei allwste.

Qa moy epitrecete na anaferqw sthn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Qessalonikh kai na kanw ena syntomo sxolio, oson afora ta metra koinwnikhs politikhs, ta opoia aneptyje kai tis ejaggelies poy tiqentai se efarmogh apo thn 1h Ianoyarioy toy epomenoy etoys.

* Gnwrizete poly kala oti o Prwqypoyrgos ejhggele shmantikh elafrynsh, oson afora aytoys poy exoyn anagkh farmakeytikhs periqalchs apo toys dikaioyxoys toy epidomatos koinwnikhs allhleggyhs (EKAS). Qa kataballoyn, apo thn 1h Ianoyarioy 1999, to 10% ths timhs twn farmakwn poy agorazoyn, enanti toy posostoy 25%, me to opoio symmetexoyn shmera. Epishs, to epidoma koinwnikhs allhleggyhs, gia oloys toys dikaioyxoys, ayjanetai apo dyo se tria merokamata, exoyme mia ayjhsh 50%. Apo tis peripoy 12.000, anebainei stis 18.000 draxmes.

* Oson afora thn kathgoria twn atomwn me eidika problhmata, peripoy 100.000 atoma poy anhkoyn se tetoies kathgories, gia thn periodo mexri to 2000, qa eynohqoyn me programmata, twn opoiwn to kostos anerxetai se 55 dis draxmes. Miloyme gia atoma me eidikes anagkes, miloyme gia palinnostoyntes Ellhnes kai gia eidikes kathgories toy plhqysmoy, opws einai, fer' eipein, oi xrhstes narkwtikwn. Ola ayta ta eidika programmata yposthrijhs twn omadwn aytwn exoyn kostos 55 dis draxmwn.

* Oson afora toys hlikiwmenoys sympolites mas, epekteinetai to programma bohqeias sto spiti, to opoio, hdh, isxyei me xrhmatodothsh newn poy shmera einai anergoi kai analambanoyn yphresia, sto plaisio twn OTA, me antikeimeno ayths ths yphresias, ths ergasias toys, na yposthrizoyn th leitoyrgia aytoy toy programmatos. Problepetai h dhmioyrgia 700 newn qesewn ergasias.

* Oson afora ta nea zeygaria, gnwrizete oti qa dapanhqoyn poroi ycoys 12 dis draxmwn, gia th dhmioyrgia h epektash brefonhpiakwn staqmwn, oi opoioi qa ejyphretoyn 30.000 brefh. Sto plaisio ths dhmioyrgias aytwn twn newn brefonhpiakwn staqmwn, dhmioyrgoyntai 1.000 nees qeseis ergasias.

* Oson afora toys anergoys, gia to xroniko diasthma, apo twra ews to 2000, epixorhgoyntai diafora programmata, twn opoiwn to synoliko ycos anerxetai sta 400 dis draxmes. Epidotoyntai 200.000 qeseis gia neoys poy eiserxontai sthn agora ergasias kai, epishs, 50.000 qeseis gia makroxronia anergoys. Qa xrhmatodothqoyn eidika programmata gia 20.000 gynaikes. Synolika, to programma ayto epixorhgeitai me polla disekatommyria draxmes. Telos me 100 dis draxmes epixorhgeitai h katartish xiliadwn ergazomenwn, anergwn h aytoapasxoloymenwn.

* Oson afora toys agrotes kai ton eidiko foro katanalwshs petrelaioy kinhshs, to pososto epistrofhs poy mexri twra htan 30%, anebainei apo thn 1h Ianoyarioy toy epomenoy etoys sto 40%. Exoyme mia epibarynsh toy proypologismoy, gia to sygkekrimeno metro, peripoy 10 dis draxmwn. To kostos, dhladh, aytoy toy metroy ews twra einai peripoy 24 dis kai qa anerxetai, meta thn prosqeth elafrynsh, sta 33 dis draxmes.

Qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena geniko sxolio gia ton tropo me ton opoio o Arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs kai alloi politikoi Arxhgoi sxoliasan tis omilies toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Lypoymeqa gia ton tropo poy epelejan. Emeis den prokeitai na antiparateqoyme me ton k. Karamanlh kai toys alloys politikoys Arxhgoys se epipedo ybrewn h xarakthrismwn poy den exoyn opoiadhpote sxesh me thn politikh antiparaqesh, giati den to epiqymoyme. Dystyxws, diapistwnoyme oti o k. Karamanlhs kai oi alloi politikoi Arxhgoi den prokeitai na epidiwjoyn politikh anametrhsh kai antiparaqesh me thn Kybernhsh se epipedo antallaghs epixeirhmatwn h anadeijhs politikwn qesewn. Kai ayto, giati den to mporoyn. Emeis epidiwkoyme synanthsh kai synennohsh metajy twn politikwn kommatwn, twn dynamewn ths xwras, wste etsi na organwsoyme pio apotelesmatika to dhmosio politiko bio kai na bohqhsoyme thn proodo ths xwras. Kaloyme ta alla kommata na synanthqoyme sto pedio ths politikhs antiparaqeshs, ths anadeijhs ideologikwn kai politikwn qesewn, ths protashs sygkekrimenwn lysewn, gia ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn th xwra kai ton ellhniko lao. An epimenoyn na mas kaloyn na synanthqoyme se ena epipedo antallaghs ybrewn, einai bebaio oti ayto to ranteboy den qa ginei pote. Zhtoyme kai pali, me bash tis qeseis poy perilambanontai sto safes sygkrothmeno kai oloklhrwmeno kybernhtiko programma, na kriqoyme apo oloys kai apo ta kommata ths Antipoliteyshs. Den exoyme kanena fobo na syzhthsoyme epi twn sygkekrimenwn aytwn qematwn. Alla, bebaiws, einai epilogh mas na mhn epidoqoyme se antallagh ybrewn, giati ayto pisteyoyme oti kai thn politikh zwh den proagei, alla blaptei kai to symferon ths xwras kai toy laoy mas.

Kleinontas, qa hqela na anaferqw se ena proswpiko qema gia na doyme pws mporw na prostateyqw egw h o kaqe poliths. Shmera exei ena sxolio h "Eleyqerotypia", poy moy apodidei pragmata ta opoia einai teleiws antiqeta apo ayta poy eipa. Kai to anaferw edw, giati anaparagetai, ayto to opoio dhqen eipa, se radiofwnikoys staqmoys me eirwnika sxolia. Oi synadelfoi sto "FLASH", fer' eipein, shmera to prwi, den ekanan ton kopo na diabasoyn ayta poy eipa, to Sabbato, sto plaisio ths politikhs enhmerwshs, sth Qessalonikh. Apla, diabasan to sxolio to opoio grafei sthn "Eleyqerotypia" enas synadelfos sas, opoy leei oti eipa egw to Sabbato, apantwntas se sxetikh erwthsh, "gnwrizete poly kala oti o Prwqypoyrgos, diagrafontas to orama ths Elladas, anadeiknyei ayto to orama opws mia fantasiwsh thn opoia metapoioyme se politiko logo. Oyden sxolio". Ayto to akoysa se radiofwnikoys staqmoys kai gi' ayto to lew dhmosiws, gia na yparxei apokatastash. Giati ayrio mporei na to anaparagoyn kai alles efhmerides. Kai epeidh den exei kamia sxesh me thn alhqeia sas ypenqymizw ti akribws eipa -kai ta praktika ths syzhthshs einai sth diaqesh pantos endiaferomenoy. "Gnwrizete poly kala oti o Prwqypoyrgos, diagrafontas to orama ths Elladas, anadeiknyei ayto to orama, oxi ws mia fantasiwsh thn opoia metapoioyme se politiko logo gia na dhmagwghsoyme. To orama mas einai ena realistiko programma to opoio hdh efarmozei h Kybernhsh". Pws einai dynaton enas dhmosiografos na leei oti egw eipa "pws anadeiknyei to orama, ws fantasiwsh", enw egw eipa "oxi ws fantasiwsh", dhladh to teleiws antiqeto. Proxwrw s` ayth thn epishmansh epeidh den exw allo tropo na prostateyomai, parolo oti exw epilejei ola ayta na ta antimetwpizw dia ths siwphs.

Kleinw ayth thn parenqesh kai akoyw tis erwthseis sas:

ALEJAKH: Mia ki anaferqhkate sth dikh sas prostasia, sas lew oti h "Aqhnaikh" katadikasthke se ena prostimo to opoio xarakthrizetai yperboliko, ejontwtiko, 150 ekatommyriwn draxmwn, epeidh xarakthrise oneidos ton k. Katsaneba. Metefere mia frash apo th diaqhkh toy Andrea Papandreoy. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe, xqes, oti h politeia endiaferetai gia thn prostasia twn politwn apo thn ayqairesia twn MME. H erwthsh einai, gia thn prostasia twn MME apo ayqairetes, endexomenws, kinhseis politwn, endiaferetai h politeia; Giati, prokaleitai h entypwsh, toylaxiston ayto prokyptei apo tis dhlwseis paragontwn, oti epixeireitai na dhmioyrghqei mia nomikh zwnh gyrw apo toys politikoys poy qa toys qwrakizei apo opoiondhpote elegxo.

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti h eleyqerotypia sthn Ellada einai se ychlo epipedo. To agaqo ths eleyqerias ths ekfrashs einai se ypereparkeia sth xwra mas. Den qa krinw mia dikastikh apofash. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe -ki oloi pisteyw symfwnoyme- oti o kaqenas exei to diko toy rolo. Oydeis, kai o poliths, prepei na einai ypotelhs se kapoion allon. Otan enas poliths qewrei oti qigetai, exei dikaiwma na ajiopoiei ta endika mesa poy exei sth diaqesh toy. Ta dikasthria, me bash toys nomoys poy isxyoyn sthn patrida mas, ekdidoyn tis apofaseis. Oi apofaseis aytes, opoies ki an einai, prepei na ginontai sebastes. Kai exoyme apofaseis dikasthriwn oi opoies kinoyntai se kateyqynseis poy allote mas ikanopoioyn ki allote oxi. Nomizw oti qa prepei na tiqaseysoyme ayth thn ekdhlwsh, eite ikanopoihshs, eite apareskeias ki ayto to opoio qa xarakthrizei th stash mas na mhn einai tipote allo para o sebasmos kai h thrhsh twn apofasewn twn dikasthriwn.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, akoysame prosektika ton k. Shmith, toso ta osa anefere sthn omilia toy sta egkainia ths DEQ, oso kai sth synenteyjh kai qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean h Kybernhsh eyelpistei - me ta osa o k. Shmiths epeshmane kai ejhggeile kai eseis shmera epanalabate peri koinwnikhs politikhs- oti qa apotrecei piqanh dysareskeia toy koinwnikoy swmatos stis dhmotikes ekloges.

REPPAS: Exw pei kat' epanalhch oti to kybernhtiko ergo qa oloklhrwqei kai qa kriqei apo ton ellhniko lao stis ekloges poy qa ginoyn to 2000. Kai pisteyoyme oti tote kai pali h empistosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy qa ekfrastei sto proswpo toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Kinhmatos mas. Oson afora tis eperxomenes nomarxiakes kai dhmotikes ekloges, asfalws exoyn thn politikh shmasia toys. Den prokeitai, omws, to apotelesma twn dhmotikwn-nomarxiakwn eklogwn na ektrecei thn poreia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy apo toys megaloys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei. Stoxoys poy apoteloyn kai eqnikh proteraiothta. Pisteyw oti den qa ekfrastei, sto plaisio twn eklogwn aytwn, dysareskeia san ayth thn opoia eseis eikazete, me thn ennoia oti h politikh poy akoloyqei h Kybernhsh exei antapokrish, giati o ellhnikos laos blepei na yparxei xeiropiasto apotelesma sthn prospaqeia poy kanei h Kybernhsh ki ayto to ektima.

KARAGIANNH: Anarwtiemai gia poio logo aisqanqhkate thn anagkh na epanalabete ta metra ths koinwnikhs politikhs poy ta akoysame ki apo ton Prwqypoyrgo.

REPPAS: Gia enan poly aplo logo. Giati ayta ta opoia akoysate eseis apo ton Prwqypoyrgo den ta akoysan oi politikoi arxhgoi twn allwn kommatwn. Kai prokeimenoy na sxoliasw th qesh toys kai na anadeijw to cema twn logwn toys, epanelaba me sygkekrimena stoixeia, ena mikro apospasma ths omilias toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy anaferetai se metra ta opoia ejaggelqhkan kai lambanontai. Metra poy synepagontai kostos gia ton kratiko proypologismo, pollwn disekatommyriwn draxmwn. Kati to opoio den dexontai oi arxhgoi twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs. Gia na krinete, epiteloys, eseis kai o ellhnikos laos, poios leei thn alhqeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mporeite na moy peite merikes apo tis ybreis, poy lete, toy k. Karamanlh kai twn allwn arxhgwn twn kommatwn;

REPPAS: Den qa me metatrecete se synadelfo toy k. Mpampiniwth. Ayth thn wra den qa kanoyme lejikografia. Pisteyoyme oti o tropos me ton opoio o k. Karamanlhs apanta sta epixeirhmata, tis qeseis kai tis protaseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths Kybernhshs den einai tipote allo, para mia syrrafh xarakthrismwn kai ybrewn, poy den exei kamia qesh -kata th dikh mas apoch- sto plaisio ths politikhs antiparaqeshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poies einai oi ybreis;

REPPAS: Apanthsa molis prin, s' ayto akribws kai anefera sygkekrimena stoixeia, giati emeis milame me sygkekrimena stoixeia. As anaferoyn, loipon, ki aytoi sygkekrimena stoixeia, as anadeijoyn ta epixeirhmata toys, prokeimenoy na mporoyme na antiparateqoyme sth bash twn epixeirhmatwn ta opoia proballoyn. Oxi sth bash asthriktwn isxyrismwn.

FILHS: Ap' oti akoysa kai twra apo esas, me pio synoptiko tropo, peripoy 300.000 qeseis ergasias yposxetai h Kybernhsh oti qa yparjoyn to prosexes etos. Symfwna me ta epishma stoixeia olwn twn Organismwn kai ths Statistikhs Yphresias kai twn Oikonomikwn Ypoyrgeiwn, alla kai dieqnwn Organismwn problepetai oti h anergia sthn Ellada qa "kabatzarei" jana to 10% ta epomena dyo xronia. Pws kata th gnwmh sas qa apofeyxqei h anergia; Yparxei mia "magikh eikona". Ejaggellete 300.000 qeseis ergasias, einai peripoy 400.000 oi anergoi shmera, paramenoyn tosoi. Ti symbainei m' ayto to qema;

REPPAS: H anergia, se megalytero h mikrotero pososto, yparxei se oles tis xwres. Den eipame oti qa ejaleicoyme apolytws to fainomeno ths anergias. Einai lyphro, einai omws mia pragmatikothta. Ayto to opoio eipame einai, oti to pososto ths anergias sthn patrida mas ta teleytaia xronia paramenei se staqera epipeda. Kai prokeimenoy emeis na enisxysoyme me sygkekrimena metra kai prwtoboylies th dhmioyrgia newn qesewn apasxolhshs, tis epidotoyme me polla disekatommyria draxmes. Epidotoyme thn apasxolhsh. Gi' ayto akribws, para polloi sympolites mas prokeimenoy na ajiopoihsoyn ayta ta metra ths Kybernhshs, meta thn ejaggelia toys, proserxontai -kati poy den ginotan sto parelqon- kai kataqetoyn ta stoixeia toys, wste na diekdikhsoyn gia logariasmo toys ta pleonekthmata ta opoia periexontai s' ayta ta metra poy exoyme anakoinwsei. Eipame oti qa epidothqoyn -kai ta posa ayta exoyn ejaggelqei kai yparxoyn, exoyn desmeytei- 200.000 qeseis gia thn eisodo newn sthn agora ergasias kai akomh 6.000 qeseis ergasiakhs empeirias gi' aytoys poy ergazontai, alla prepei na ananewsoyn to gnwsiako oplostasio toys, prokeimenoy na parameinoyn sthn agora ergasias. Eipame epishs, oti gia makroxronia anergoys qa epidothqoyn 50.000 qeseis ergasias. H epidothsh ayth einai poly shmantikh. Pisteyoyme oti qa bohqhsei wste na katapolemhqei ws ena baqmo to fainomeno ths anergias, poy plhttei oles tis koinwnies sto sygxrono kosmo. Kai nomizw oti m' ayto to prisma prepei na krinete ayth thn prwtoboylia kai na mhn ermhneyetai ws arnhtikh ejelijh o ejorqologismos ths katagrafhs ths anergias sthn patrida mas. Giati, pragmatika, gia prwth fora exoyme mia antistoixhsh twn stoixeiwn poy diaqetoyn oles oi yphresies. Ta pososta anergias kinoyntai kai to '96 kai to '97 kai to '98 sta idia pragmatika epipeda. Kai sas kalw na anatrejete stis phges gia na diapistwsete toy logoy moy to alhqes.

FILHS: O Prwqypoyrgos aisqanqhke thn anagkh, anaferomenos sto problhma ths Ionikhs, na epikrinei tis kerdoskopikes pieseis poy ektojeysan thn timh ths metoxhs ths. Ayth h frash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, otan mprosta mas exoyme ena neo diagwnismo gia thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs, den mporei na eklhfqei ws sinialo pros thn "aproswph" agora, oti h Ionikh qa poylhqei fthnotera;

REPPAS: Isa-isa o Prwqypoyrgos htan poly safhs sthn topoqethsh toy otan apantoyse se sxetiko erwthma. Eipe oti emeis epidiwkoyme thn poiothta, th diafaneia kai to yper toy Dhmosioy symferontos apotelesma se tetoies diadikasies, gi' ayto den proxwrame enanti opoioydhpote timhmatos se pwlhsh mias epixeirhshs, opws ths Ionikhs en prokeimenw. Apo kei kai pera o Prwqypoyrgos, opws kat' epanalhch h Kybernhsh exei kanei, mesw emoy alla kai pollwn allwn synadelfwn, hqele na dwsei ena tono oti h politikh mas den ejartatai apo tis ejelijeis sto Xrhmatisthrio. Pantote diathroyme ayth thn apostash, dhlwnontas pws to Xrhmatisthrio einai enas xwros poy exei toys dikoys toy kanones me toys opoioys leitoyrgei. Den apotelei ton apolyto kai to monadiko kaqrepth gia to pws ejelissetai h oikonomia se mia xwra. Asfalws, einai mia shmantikh endeijh. Alla peran toytoy, tipota allo. Kai o Prwqypoyrgos milhse -giati oloi exoyme ayth thn empeiria- kai gia tis kerdoskopikes pieseis poy askhqhkan enanti ths draxmhs, ligoys mhnes prin, alla kai gia paixnidia kerdoskopias ta opoia paizontai. Ayta einai gnwsta, oloi ta gnwrizoyn. O Prwqypoyrgos milhse, ws realisths politikos, th glwssa ths alhqeias.

FILHS: Dhladh, h Kybernhsh protiqetai dia ths Emporikhs Trapezas na poylhsei mexri teloys toy etoys thn Ionikh. Den eyreqhsan ajiopistoi "mnhsthres" gia thn ejagora ths Ionikhs sto epipedo to xrhmatisthriako poy eixe qesei ws proypoqesh h Kybernhsh. Kai mesoyntos loipon aytoy toy diagwnismoy, bgainei o Prwqypoyrgos sth Qessalonikh kai ejaggellei emmesws pws qa poylhqei fthnotera h Ionikh.

REPPAS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. O Prwqypoyrgos sthn kentrikh politikh omilia toy, to Sabbato to brady, milhse gia to pws prepei mia koinwnia h opoia einai wrimh, anaptygmenh, na antimetwpizei aytoys toys qesmoys, opws einai to Xrhmatisthrio, sto plaisio toy opoioy -opws poly orqa eipe- kai oloi to gnwrizete ayto- polles fores anaptyssontai kerdoskopika paixnidia. Apo kei kai pera apantwntas gia to qema ths Ionikhs, eipe oti h Emporikh Trapeza poy einai o pwlhths qa diamorfwsei toys oroys, qa toys qesei ypoch ths Kybernhshs kai prokeimenoy na diasfalistei to dhmosio symferon, qa ginei h epomenh prokhryjh diagwnismoy gia thn pwlhsh ths me oroys tetoioys, wste na einai oi kalyteroi dynatoi. Den exoyme tipote allo na poyme ayth thn wra, doqentos oti den exoyn aposafhnisqei apo thn pleyra ths Emporikhs Trapezas oi oroi me toys opoioys qa epidiwxqei h pwlhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas.

FILHS: Syggnwmh, mhpws anaferomaste se diaforetika keimena. Anoigw eisagwgika: "Kerdoskopikh piesh poy ektojeyse thn timh pwlhshs ths Ionikhs". Anaferetai h oxi sto keimeno ths omilias toy Prwqypoyrgoy to Sabbato sth Qessalonikh;

REPPAS: Den antilambanomai omws poio einai to erwthma poy qetete gia na gnwrizw kai egw poia einai h apanthsh poy epiqymeite na sas dwsw, wste na exete mia ikanopoihsh oti labate apanthsh.

FILHS: Epi pragmatologikoy epipedoy, an to eipe ayto o Prwqypoyrgos.

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti exete ypoch sas tis dyo omilies toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Qessalonikh. Kaqenas gnwrizei ti eipe o Prwqypoyrgos.

FILHS: An to eipe o Prwqypoyrgos sth Qessalonikh...

REPPAS: Ayto einai gnwsto kai dedomeno. Apo kei kai pera o Prwqypoyrgos milhse gia to oti oi prosdokies oi opoies kallierghqhkan gia thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas htan se anantistoixia me to apotelesma. O Prwqypoyrgos to eipe ayto. Parabiazete anoixtes portes. Ayta einai gnwsta.

KIAOS: Gia thn Ionikh, praktika pws ektima h Kybernhsh to ycos ths metoxhs kai kat' epektash ths pwlhsews ths Trapezhs;

REPPAS: Den einai dynaton h Kybernhsh na ekdwsei apofash h qesh...

KIAOS: Oxi, katalabainete ti erwtw...

REPPAS:... gia thn ajia ths Ionikhs Trapezas.

KIAOS:... dioti o Prwqypoyrgos otan leei oti oi kerdoskopoi anebasan thn timh ths metoxhs sto Xrhmatisthrio, ti prosdoka h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos milhse, sas eipa, apo thn prwth toy omilia, kiolas, thn Paraskeyh to brady, gia tis prosdokies oi opoies kallierghqhkan enocei ths pwlhshs ths Ionikhs Trapezas. Kai milhse gia thn anantistoixia twn prosdokiwn aytwn me to teliko apotelesma. Apo kei kai pera, o Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia genikh anafora, fernontas kai paradeigmata, gia to oti sto plaisio ths leitoyrgias toy Xrhmatisthrioy, polles fores ektylissontai kerdoskopika paixnidia. Ayto einai gnwsto. An exei kapoios antiqeth apoch, as pei oti kanei laqos o Prwqypoyrgos na to isxyrizetai ayto. As to pei kapoios.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Shmiths me ta osa eipe sth Qessalonikh, fainetai oti den ikanopoiei tis koinwnikes tajeis. Blepoyme tis antidraseis twn syndikatwn, blepoyme tis antidraseis allwn koinwnikwn forewn. Parola ayta epemeine pws an twra kanei ena bhma pisw, kindyneyei h poreia ths xwras pros thn ONE. Kai zhthse mia systrateysh olwn -fernontas kai to paradeigma ths eqnikhs syllogikhs symbashs ergasias- gia na mporesei na synexistei ayth h poreia. To erwthma moy einai to ejhs: Me poia exeggya zhtate th systrateysh gia ta epomena dyo xronia, otan oi ergazomenoi, opws oi idioi dhlwnoyn, den aisqanontai ikanopoihmenoi ap' osa toys exete prosferei ta dyo xronia poy exoyn perasei;

REPPAS: Eseis milate kanontas ypoqeseis. Egw gnwrizw oti oi ergazomenoi me toys ekproswpoys toys, prosfata ypegracan thn eqnikh Syllogikh Symbash Ergasias. Egw gnwrizw oti ta exeggya ta opoia prosferei ayth h Kybernhsh, einai to apotelesma toy kopoy poy exei kanei gia na petyxei aytoys toys stoxoys. Na exoyme fer' eipein shmera enan plhqwrismo se epipeda prwtofanh gia ta ellhnika dedomena, edw kai arketes dekaeties. Kai gnwrizete oti ta xamhla epipeda plhqwrismoy eynooyn kyria ta laika strwmata. Shmeiwteon de oti o deikths toy plhqwrismoy einai o monos o opoios brisketai ektos twn oriwn twn krithriwn, me ta opoia qa kriqoyme gia na epityxoyme thn entajh mas sthn ONE. Giati exoyme pei oti ews to telos toy xronoy, toys alloys deiktes qa toys exoyme epityxei. Kai ola deixnoyn pws ayto qa ginei. Exw th gnwmh, kyrie Mixahl, oti oi antidraseis oi opoies exoyn ekdhlwqei apo diafores koinwnikes omades - milhsame thn prohgoymenh periodo gi' ayto- me probolh aithmatwn, poy qa moy epitrecete na pw exoyn kata kyrio logo syntexniako xarakthra, asfalws den einai dynato na anakocoyn thn poreia ths Kybernhshs na epityxei toys stoxoys ths, poy kyriws metajy twn allwn einai h entajh mas sthn ONE. Einai kati to opoio den to diapragmateyomaste. Kai den prokeitai na qysiasoyme to eqniko kai to dhmosio symferon gia na ikanopoihsoyme syntexniakoy xarakthra aithmata diaforwn omadwn, ta opoia, se teleytaia analysh, akomh ki an ikanopoihqoyn erxontai se eyqeia antiqesh me ta symferonta allwn omadwn h antistrateyontai to synoliko dhmosio symferon. Me ayth thn ennoia, h politikh poy akoloyqoyme apotelei mia xrysh tomh gia na epityxoyme afenos aytoys toys stoxoys me ryqmoys anaptyjiakoys poy einai oi megalyteroi sto synolo ths Eyrwphs kai afeteroy, gia na anakoyfisoyme eypaqeis koinwnika omades, me metra koinwnikhs politikhs, opws ayta isxyoyn h qa isxysoyn meta tis teleytaies ejaggelies toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Apo th Qessalonikh, o Prwqypoyrgos diamhnyse oti h oikonomikh politikh telei ypo thn airesh twn dieqnwn ejelijewn. Se periptwsh epideinwshs ths dieqnoys krishs, poy einai ena pragmatiko endexomeno, ti metra sxediazei h Kybernhsh gia na antidrasei akariaia;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti h Kybernhsh antimetwpizei ola ta endexomena kai ejetazei ola ta senaria. Exei labei ta metra ths, alla den prepei ayth thn wra na syzhtoyme kanontas ypoqeseis. Gnwrizete poly kala toys stoxoys toys opoioys exoyme qesei. Gnwrizete poly kala me poia anqektikothta kai wrimothta antedrase o ellhnikos laos kai h ellhnikh koinwnia apenanti sthn prosfath nomismatikh kai oikonomikh krish h opoia ekdhlwqhke. Ayto to opoio mporw na sas pw ayth thn wra einai, oti o stoxos mas gia thn entajh mas stis diadikasies ths eyrwpaikhs enopoihshs, einai stoxos ton opoio -epanalambanw- den diapragmateyomaste. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, pisteyoyme oti exoyme "ergaleia" sth diaqesh mas, ta opoia mporoyme na xrhsimopoihsoyme gia na antimetwpisoyme me epityxia opoia krish ekdhlwqei. Alla, bebaiws, ayta ta fainomena, ta opoia exoyn amesh sxesh me thn pagkosmiopoihsh ths oikonomias kai twn agorwn, antilambaneste oti xreiazontai mia synolikh antimetwpish. Den einai dynaton h Ellada, sto plaisio mias genikeymenhs krishs, opws th fantazeste eseis, na apotelesei th nhsida ejaireshs apo thn krish. Alla, ayto to endexomeno einai kati to opoio den to eyxomaste.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Egw allo rwthsa. An stoys kolpoys ths Kybernhshs ginetai estw kapoia syzhthsh, an sxediazontai metra gia thn periptwsh...

REPPAS: Ma, den sas eipa oti exoyme ejetasei ola ta endexomena; Oti exoyme kanei senaria gia kaqe endexomeno; To eipa sthn arxh. Alla prepei na syzhthsoyme, twra, gi` ayta ta senaria, na dwsoyme ston kosmo mia entypwsh, dhladh, oti emeis syzhtoyme kapoies piqanes ejelijeis, oi opoies, isws, na mhn episymboyn pote; Ayto qa syzhthsoyme twra; Sas eipa, asfalws eimaste etoimoi na antimetwpisoyme kaqe endexomeno. Kai pisteyoyme oti perissotero para pote exoyme sth diaqesh mas mhxanismoys kai ergaleia, wste na einai apotelesmatikh h antimetwpish opoiasdhpote krishs prokycei. Anefera, malista, to paradeigma ths prosfaths krishs. H antidrash ths ellhnikhs koinwnias apotelei, qa elega, ena kalo test gia to poso shmantika bhmata exoyme kanei gia na antimetwpisoyme tetoioys eidoys dysmeneis ejelijeis.

ALEJAKH: Exei enhmerwqei h ellhnikh Kybernhsh oti o Proedros Klinton exei ekfrasei thn proqesh na paei sthn Kypro, se periptwsh poy yparjei kapoia symfwnia metajy twn dyo pleyrwn, na einai ekei ki o idios otan qa ginei h symfwnia;

REPPAS: Den fainetai logw ths stashs thn opoia threi h Toyrkia kai oi dynameis katoxhs sthn Kypro, to qema ths symfwnias na einai qema to opoio qa prokycei sto syntomo mellon. An pragmatika prokycei symfwnia kai lyqei to Kypriako problhma, antilambaneste pws tote polloi kai idiaiterws aytoi poy qa exoyn symbalei qa dikaioyntai na panhgyrisoyn kai na qriambologhsoyn. Makari na yparxei lysh kai emeis se oloys toys alloys -peran thn ellhnikhs kai ths kypriakhs Kybernhshs- qa dwsoyme ton pio ychlo kai lampro qrono, wste ekei na apolaysoyn ta agaqa ths nikhs toys. As kanoyn, omws, kati na yparxei ayth h nikh yper ths Kyproy kai toy kypriakoy laoy. Giati, ews twra, eimaste poly makria apo to na poyme oti oi elpides einai polles gia na prokycei syntoma lysh sto kypriako problhma.

Sas eyxaristw.

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