U.S. Department of State 95/12/07 Daily Press Briefing
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Dimitrios Hristu)
Office of the Spokesman
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
DAILY PRESS BRIEFING
I N D E X
Thursday, December 7, 1995
Briefer: Nicholas Burns
Deployment of Enabling Force, IFOR .....................6-9,18
Signing of Peace Agreement .............................7,16-17
Movement of Indigenous Forces ..........................13
UNHCR Office in Ilidza; HR Comm. Off. in Banja Luka;
Indicted War Criminals; Cooperation w/Tribunal .........15-16
NATO/Russia Agreement ..................................18-19
Human Rights Watch Report ..............................21-22
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
DAILY PRESS BRIEFING
THURSDAY, DECEMBER 7, 1995, 1:10 P. M.
(ON THE RECORD UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED)
Q Nick, can I ask a question, referring to your statement about
the Mujahidin left in Bosnia. Presumably the only way you're going to
know that they're all gone is to have some starting point, an idea of
how many there are now. Do you have any estimate about how many of
these Mujahidin fighters there are in Bosnia?
MR. BURNS: I don't believe we in the United States Government have
a down-to-a-man accurate estimate. We've seen varying estimates of the
number of people. Some are in cohesive units. Some have been
integrated into the Bosnian military itself.
But our message to our friends in Sarajevo and the Bosnian
Government -- it's a friendly message, but it's a clear message, and
that is the Dayton accords call on you to ask all foreign military
forces to leave within 30 days of the signing in Paris. That's a clear
They have assured us that this will take place. They have told us
many times that these Mujahidin fighters will be leaving. It's very
important to us because most of the reports that we have -- and Bob
Simons' very interesting report on Saturday evening -- place these
people in the American sector.
We believe they do represent, possibly in the future, a threat to
the American and other forces there, and we want that threat removed.
Q There have been reports in the Middle East that the Bosnian
Government has already begun to issue some of them, who are, in effect,
stateless persons who can't go back to Afghanistan, with Bosnian
identification papers and passports. Do you know if this is so?
MR. BURNS: If they are not Bosnians by birth or naturalization, if
they are indeed really foreigners, then they should not be given the
right to stay and fight in a different uniform. They should be removed.
Most of these people have a different agenda -- a very different
agenda -- than that of peace. We don't believe that their presence
there is at all helpful, and we won't tolerate it.
Q Nick, is that why the Secretary of Defense said this morning
that they were delaying the deployment of American troops in that sector
by as much as a week?
MR. BURNS: The Secretary of Defense did not say that this morning.
I read the transcript of the Secretary's remarks. He did not use the
word "delay." What he said was that he was quite happy with the
deployment of the enabling force. He said that it would take about a
week to deploy, and he said there were no problems as far as he could
say with the deployment of that force.
I saw some of the wire reports. Secretary Perry did not say that
we would delaying the arrival of the enabling force.
Q But he did say, in fact, that it's going to slip by a week --
as much as a week.
MR. BURNS: He did not say it's going to slip by a week. He said
he thought it would take a week for the full enabling force to arrive.
Here's what's going to happen. The enabling force will continue to
be deployed. That has already begun. There are Americans on the ground
in Bosnia -- in Tuzla and elsewhere.
As Secretary Perry said this morning, we expect that process to be
completed in about a week. As soon as the peace agreement is signed in
Paris, then, of course, the military plan, the operational plan of NATO,
will be put into force and the full contingent of NATO and American
forces will arrive on a staged basis.
General Joulwan gave the NATO Foreign and Defense Ministers on
Tuesday afternoon a very detailed briefing of how this would be carried
out. I can assure you -- and I've just talked to Ken Bacon and others
at the Pentagon -- there is no change in our plans.
Q But it has slipped a week, though.
Q It has slipped a week, and Secretary Perry said -- what is
it, four days ago on the record, on tape? -- that there would be 700
American troops, as part of a 1,400 NATO enabling force all in place by
Friday. That's today, or tomorrow, rather. Are you going to have 700
U.S. troops on the ground by tomorrow? I gather you've got more like
MR. BURNS: I don't know how many troops we have, specifically.
That's a question you'll have to ask the Pentagon.
I don't see a problem here. The fact is that we've begun the
deployment of the enabling force.
Secretary Perry said this morning that he was quite pleased with
the pace of deployment and that he expected that to be finished by next
week. That's what you would expect, the enabling force would be
together and on the ground on or about the 14th of December.
I can't account for what was said a couple of days ago. I would
just direct you to Secretary Perry's words. He doesn't think there's a
problem with this.
Q In that connection, is there a formal date for the signing in
MR. BURNS: Yes, there is -- December 14.
Q The 14th?
MR. BURNS: Thursday, December 14, in Paris; yes.
Q (Inaudible) a hundred percent?
MR. BURNS: Sid, as far as we know, it's on track. The President
is planning, the Secretary is planning, and many others of us are
planning to be there for the ceremonies on the 14th.
Q If I could go back to the original question, not to beat a
dead horse. Before the full contingent of the enabling force arrives,
could it be that you want to make these points to the Bosnian Government
and to the Bosnian Serbs through President Milosevic that the Mujahidin
have to leave and also to work with the Bosnian Serbs in the
neighborhoods around Sarajevo. Is there some -- is that being reflected
in the pace that the troops are being to sent to Tuzla?
MR. BURNS: I'm not aware of any linkage whatsoever between the
deployment of the NATO enabling force and the separate diplomatic
dialogue on issues that are contained in the Dayton accords -- the
presence of Mujahidin fighters, the status of Serb civilians, Croat and
Muslim civilians -- not at all. I don't believe there's any linkage
whatsoever. We just sat through two days of meetings at NATO about the
specific military deployment plan. Of course, as you know, Secretary
Christopher is responsible for our diplomatic strategy. I've been in
all those meetings. There's never been any indication that those issues
are linked. I can categorically tell you that and deny that.
The diplomatic agenda here is very important on the Mujahidin and
on the situation of all civilians -- Muslim, Croat, and Serb. Very
important on our agenda. It was during the Dayton talks, is now, and
will be after the Paris signing.
Q Nick, if the Bosnian Government has assured the United States
that these Muslim fighters will be gone in the time allotted, why are
you making such a big issue of it publicly today?
MR. BURNS: Because it's a big deal. The reason we're talking
about it is because we know from various press reports and from other
means that we have that these people are present in sectors where
American forces will be deploying. We think their presence is
incompatible with the peace effort and inconsistent with where we want
the situation to go on the ground.
We're concerned enough about it that we're quite willing to tell
you publicly that one of the aims of Assistant Secretary Holbrooke's
trip is just to re-enforce the points we've been making and make
absolutely sure that the agreement we have will be carried out to the
Q It suggests to me that there's less than total confidence
that the Bosnian Government is going to do what it said it's going to
MR. BURNS: We very much believe that the Bosnian Government will
carry out its commitments. It's a very important commitment. It is not
at all unusual that we would remind another country of commitments that
they have. We are reminded by countries all the time of commitments
that we have. It's an important issue.
You wouldn't expect us just to forget about this issue and assume
that everything was in place. You would expect us to go into Sarajevo,
have detailed conversations about the withdrawal schedule, and be
absolutely assured in our own mind about what was going to happen and
when it's going to happen, which is very important with Americans
Q Nick, in the event that any of these Mujahidin are still
there when American troops start to go in, what are the instructions for
NATO forces if they run into foreign troops that have not left on
MR. BURNS: The agreement calls for these forces -- paramilitary
forces -- to depart within 30 days. So it is likely that as American
troops -- well, we have American troops on the ground now -- as the main
body of troops arrive after December 14, it is theoretically possible
and perhaps likely that some of these paramilitary people -- the
Mujahidin -- will be there.
American forces are fully equipped to deal with any situation that
arises. As you know, the President said to them -- to our soldiers in
Germany on Saturday -- that they have every right to use any means to
defend themselves. Those rules start the moment they set foot on
Q So their presence there won't prevent the Americans from
MR. BURNS: Not at all. We already have Americans on the ground in
Tuzla. We'll continue to build up the enabling force; we'll then embark
on the deployment of the full force. The presence of these fighters
will not at all affect the deployment schedule.
Q You said the Mujahidin fighters have a different agenda.
Could you elaborate on that?
MR. BURNS: We know enough about these people, and certainly you in
the press know enough about these people, to know who they are and where
they're from and what their agenda is. It's a radical agenda. It's an
agenda that is inconsistent with implementing a peace agreement. These
people have no role to play in implementing the peace agreement, and
their agenda is fundamentally different from our agenda.
Our agenda is peace in Bosnia. Theirs is quite different.
Q What do you suppose their after?
MR. BURNS: I think it's quite obvious what they're after.
Q I'd rather hear you say it.
MR. BURNS: George, why don't you take a guess and I'll tell you if
I think you're right or wrong. (Laughter)
Q Are you talking specifically about the Iranians or the
Afghans, or all of them?
MR. BURNS: All of the foreign forces -- military forces -- on
Bosnian soil must depart within 30 days.
Q I know the requirement but --
MR. BURNS: All of them.
Q -- when you express concern, is your concern focused more on
the Iranians and the Revolutionary Guard or on the Afghans?
MR. BURNS: All of them, because it's hard to distinguish. We've
heard from the British about some of the incidents that the British have
encountered. We've heard from the United Nations about some of the
incidents that they have encountered; specifically, some of the U.N.
vehicles being attacked in the last couple of weeks by, we believe,
these forces. So they should be out of there. They should leave. They
have no role to play.
Q (Inaudible) forcibly removed after 30 days if they're not
MR. BURNS: That won't be necessary because the Bosnian Government
will live up to its commitment to have them out within 30 days.
Q (Inaudible) the Bosnian Government would have to forcibly
MR. BURNS: It's just hard to say. We would hope they would just
leave peacefully and quietly and go back to whatever agenda they have,
that George is very well aware of, outside of Bosnia.
Q That agenda has gotten them in trouble in their home country.
Some are already under death sentences --
MR. BURNS: I can't advise them as to where they should go. I have
no advice to offer them. They should leave Bosnia. Where they go after
that is not our business.
Q (Inaudible) provide transportation or --
MR. BURNS: No. The United States is not going to be providing
transportation for these people, no.
Q Why don't you give them a state?
MR. BURNS: Excuse me?
Q Why don't you give them a state?
Q Nick, the American Muslim Council here in this country is
saying that the Bosnian Government has reached an agreement with the
Mujahidin fighters. They say that the agreement says, if they lay down
their arms, they are free to stay in Bosnia. If they do not, they must
MR. BURNS: I'm not aware that's actually correct, that that's the
case. What we understand very clearly from the Dayton accords is that
they must leave the country. It doesn't mean that they must stay
unarmed. They must leave the country. It's very clear. That's what
the expectation is.
Q Do we know if they have made any sort of agreement with the
Mujahidin to leave?
MR. BURNS: I'm not aware of any agreement of that nature
Q Nick, regardless of what their agenda may be now, do you
acknowledge that they played a great role in helping the Bosnian
Government to at least defend themselves during a time when no other
country, especially not the United States or any of the other Western
nations, was willing to take such a role?
MR. BURNS: No. From an American viewpoint, these people are not
people we want to be associated with. Their agenda is a radical agenda,
and I'm not going to defend their presence there or condone it any way.
Q The U.S. trained a number of these people during the
MR. BURNS: Betsy, we don't know the names of these people. We
don't even know how many people there are. We know from press reports
and other means that they are there. Some of them have been there for a
couple of years. But I don't have a roster in my briefing book here of
names and countries and identities so I can't possibly comment on that
Q Nick, if I could follow up David's question about the Paris
signing to the 30-day deadline. Several issues there. A senior Defense
official has stated that U.S. forces in NATO there, in the Tuzla sector,
will not engage indigenous military forces that may be in the four-
kilometer separation zone. Instead, I believe the idea is to wait to
engage -- "forcibly remove" was the issue -- but to wait for those
forces, be they Muslim or BSA forces or whatever -- wait for those
people to move out of the way; not to confront them but to wait for them
to move out of the way.
The first question is, after 30 days, then what? What will NATO
forces do if forces have not moved from the four-kilometer zone?
Secondly, could you comment on this issue --
MR. BURNS: Can I comment on the first issue?
Q Comment on the first issue, and then I'll hit you with one
MR. BURNS: I wouldn't assume that foreign paramilitary forces will
be inside the security zone from Day One. I wouldn't assume that. I
would just refer you to the Pentagon for what the rules of engagement
will be for the American military force.
Q What about the forces that are supposed to move? Is there a
political mechanism by which those people will be invited to leave?
MR. BURNS: The Dayton accords are very clear about this. If you
go back and read the military annex, it talks about what will happen
within a certain time period after the signing of the peace agreement
inside the security zone that will be established by the IFOR forces.
It's very clear as to what the responsibilities of the indigenous forces
are of all types.
Q If they don't move in 30 days. Then what?
MR. BURNS: They will move. They've made a commitment to it and
they will move.
Q I've been told by a senior military official that it is
absolutely necessary for NATO to be on the ground in order for those
forces to have the incentive to move.
MR. BURNS: That's right. That's one of the reasons for deploying
forces -- NATO forces -- to the area, to get the forces to withdraw to
certain areas, to provide a security zone, and to police that security
Q Nick, could you talk about the other matter that you
mentioned Mr. Holbrooke is going to address himself to, which is that of
the safety of Serbs, among others, once this agreement is signed?
You said there will be implementation issues connected with them.
Could you expand on that? What sorts of implementation issues does the
U.S. see with regard to Serbs in the suburbs of Sarajevo?
MR. BURNS: I think given all the talk about this over the last 24
hours, it's useful for me to review our policy on this, David, and then
I'll go directly to your question.
The fact is that the Bosnian Serbs were represented in Dayton.
They were represented by three Bosnian Serb leaders. Their joint
delegation was headed by President Milosevic who spoke for them. He
initialed the peace agreement on November 21.
Two days later, Mr. Karadzic initialed the Dayton accords. So we
have President Milosevic and Karadzic both initialing the accords. They
must live by every provision in the Dayton accords. That's their
What was initialed at Dayton will be signed in Paris. There will
be no renegotiation in any way, shape, or form. There will be no
annexes, there will be no side letters, there will be no written
assurances in addition to anything that's in Dayton.
What was initialed at Dayton will be signed in Paris. That's
As we look at the situation, the Dayton accords call for freedom of
movement of all ethnic groups. That includes the Bosnian Serbs. It
includes Muslims and Croats.
It calls for the civil liberties of all these people -- civilians -
- to be protected. We believe those are important provisions. We
believe that the Bosnian Serb civilian rights should be protected.
As Secretary Christopher said yesterday in Brussels, we ought to be
sensitive. We ought to be sensitive to these rights as we should be
sensitive to the rights of the Muslim and Croatian communities as well.
That's all we mean to say by that.
We are pleased that President Izetbegovic has, at several junctures
since Dayton, assured the Bosnian Serb population in and around Sarajevo
that their rights will be respected. We'd like to see more of this. We
think it's important to build up the confidence of these people. We'd
like to see them stay in their homes.
We don't believe it's going to be useful if Serb civilians flee
when the accord is signed because they suspect their rights will not be
Yesterday, the U.N. High Commissioner on Refugees decided to open
an office in Ilidza. The Human Rights Commission decided to open an
office in Banja Luka. The International Committee of the Red Cross will
be on the ground.
It's very important that international organizations -- and this
gets to confidence-building measures; it gets to some of the
implementing provisions that I was talking about, David -- it's very
important that these organizations play a role -- their own role -- in
ensuring the civilian population in Bosnia that, in fact, their rights
will be protected, that the international community is sensitive to
We think we owe it to these people, as the sponsors of the Dayton
accords, to do this much. But does this mean that we're willing to
renegotiate the accords? No, we're not willing to do that.
Q Would such a move as convincing President Izetbegovic not to
have Muslim policemen police Serb neighborhoods but perhaps Serb police?
Is that something you all might consider a good idea?
MR. BURNS: What is very clear, Sid, is that Sarajevo will be a
unified city as a result of the Dayton accords. That's one of the
primary benefits of the Dayton accords.
The implementation of unification, the steps taken to assert
control over certain neighborhoods, will be very important. It's one of
the things that we'll be discussing with all sides. I can't give you
any detail on that right now because we're in the middle of discussions
with all the parties on this.
These discussions are going to continue. The high representative,
the civilian coordinator in Sarajevo -- and that person will be
designated this weekend in London -- is going to have a very important
role in this, in coordinating the work of the international
organizations that I mentioned and coordinating the work of the local
governments to make sure that everyone's rights are respected. That's
an important obligation, and the London Conference will be dealing with
The Conference in Budapest is also dealing with issues of human
rights as well as elections and arms control.
Charlie -- Howard. I'm sorry.
Q I guess the line until now has -- on Karadzic and Mladic --
it's been that it's inconceivable that they would remain in power. Are
they under the same sort of 30-day deadline as the Mujahidin? Will they
disappear in the same puff of smoke as the mercenaries? In other words,
at what point does it become conceivable that they'll --
MR. BURNS: I don't know if anyone has put a specific time limit on
it. I don't believe that's in the Dayton accords. What's clear in the
Dayton accords is that indicted war criminals cannot be appointed to
high office. They cannot stand for elections that will be held six to
nine months from now.
The United States believes that these people -- specifically,
Karadzic and Mladic -- have no place in command positions. They should
remove themselves from office. We believe that will happen.
Q But its a week from the signing. Do you see any movement,
MR. BURNS: We're just going to have to wait for the day when both
of them step down. That day, we hope will come very quickly.
Q Along the same lines, what about Serbia's cooperation or lack
of it with the Tribunal? Justice Goldstone is apparently pretty angry
and raising the prospect of calling for renewed sanctions if they don't
MR. BURNS: Serbia has an obligation to cooperate with the War
Crimes Tribunal. That is stated specifically in writing in the Dayton
accords. President Milosevic initialed those accords and will soon sign
them. That's an important responsibility from the Dayton accords.
Indicted war criminals should be detained. They should be turned
over to the U.N. War Crimes Tribunal. We're giving our full support to
Justice Goldstone. We have not relented on that in any way. We'll
continue to give him every support that he needs.
Q Nick, you've made several references to the Dayton accords,
obviously, and also to Paris and signing them on the 14th. Will they be
called the "Dayton Accords" when they're signed in Paris? There have
been suggestions in certain French circles about another name being
attached to it. Does the U.S. have an official view on this?
MR. BURNS: We've seen some very imaginative suggestions on this
question. I have two points to make on this first, Charlie.
What I understand is that the document will probably be called
something like "The Signing in Paris of the Agreements Initialed at
MR. BURNS: Yes. I know as well as you that ultimately the
marketplace decides these issues. The marketplace is really all of you
-- journalists. We spent 21 days -- 21 hard-fought days in Dayton,
Ohio, negotiating this agreement. Everything that was negotiated at
Dayton and initialed there will be exactly word-for-word, signed in
So Dayton was a very important event because in Dayton, Ohio, for
21 days, the United States labored very, very, very hard to bring the
three parties in Dayton to a successful conclusion of the Dayton
accords. So as we proceed, I think the marketplace will look at the
Dayton events as very, very significant events.
Q How about "The U.S. Leadership Accords?" Would you settle
MR. BURNS: That would be perfect. I'm not sure we can achieve
that, though, George.
Q Just as a footnote, the word "Dayton" does not appear in the
accords. On Page 4, which is initialed, it says, "Done this day in
MR. BURNS: Yes, and everything I've read since November 21 refers
to them as the Dayton accords. Really, the marketplace decides this.
Q Can I go to Columbia?
MR. BURNS: Are we done with Bosnia? I think we have a few more
Bosnia questions, and then we'll go to Columbia.
Q On the Sarajevo Serbs again. If the reassurances of
President Izetbegovic have not been enough, I wonder if you'd just be a
little more specific on what you would like to hear?
MR. BURNS: I understand there was a demonstration today by Bosnian
Serbs in Sarajevo. Clearly, there is still some concern in the Bosnian
Serb community about their future in Sarajevo.
The accord is very clear. This should be a multi-ethnic country.
It is a multi-ethnic country. The war was fought, in part, over this.
It should be multi-ethnic. Everybody's rights should be respected.
That's a very serious undertaking.
We did not negotiate the agreements in Dayton, Ohio, to simply see
a future where certain groups rights weren't respected. But just as
it's important to respect Serb rights, it's important to respect Muslim
and Croatian rights as well. That's the point that we're taking.
We think the situation is sensitive enough and difficult enough and
the history is difficult enough that the Bosnian Government ought to
continue to talk about this publicly, continue to give the assurances
that it should, and find practical ways to deal with all of the issues
that flow from this as the implementation period begins after December
14 -- everything pertaining to all the functions that go into local and
That's what it really comes down to, and the London Conference will
focus on this, and the high representative and his or her colleagues
will, of course, be dealing with this on a daily basis when they are
present on the ground in Sarajevo and throughout Bosnia, through the
life of IFOR and well beyond the life of IFOR.
Q Demonstrations today were an American flag being burned in
the Serb area of Sarajevo. Are you concerned -- in addition to the
potential threat from the Mujahidin fighters, are you concerned that
there will be armed resistance from Serb civilians in the Sarajevo area,
as some have apparently vowed to do?
MR. BURNS: To be realistic, I think, as the Pentagon has testified
and General Shalikashvili has testified on the Hill, there are obvious
risks associated with deploying thousands of American and NATO troops,
and we understand those risks. We all have to assume -- all Americans
have to assume that there are risks in deploying American forces.
However, we do not believe that there will be any kind of strong,
organized resistance to IFOR. The very important fact is that the
leaders of these countries, including most notably President Milosevic,
have pledged in writing to create the kind of environments that will be
receptive to the deployment of NATO forces. That's another commitment
that they have made, and they obviously all have influence over their
civilian populations, and certainly influence over their armed forces,
and even some of the indigenous paramilitary forces.
Q On the issue of the Russian troops attached to our brigade,
there was at one time a few weeks ago a stipulation on the part of the
Russians that their command people in Moscow would be able to veto
orders. Has that been dropped, and is this now a done deal with the
Russians on board?
MR. BURNS: We have a very clear understanding between Secretary
Perry and Minister Grachev that the Russians and Americans will combine
their efforts; that the Russians ultimately report up to General Joulwan
in his American capacity as Commander of U.S. Forces Europe, and it's a
A couple of months ago, I would not have predicted that Russia and
NATO could have worked out an agreement to actually create a special
unit together where a Russian brigade would join American forces in
special functions. The fact that we've done it, as I said earlier,
really speaks very well of our long-term strategic goal of building a
way for NATO and Russia to work together in Europe.
IFOR suddenly represents -- both with Russia and with the Central
Europeans -- a very practical way to promote the kind of security ties
that we thought at one point would take much longer to develop, at least
from the perspective of January 1994 when the Partnership for Peace was
Q Nick, does the Secretary have any assurances from Mr.
Milosevic that he can pass on to Mr. Rugova about human rights in
MR. BURNS: We continually remind the Serb Government and President
Milosevic of the importance of paying attention to, and respecting the
rights of, the Albanian community in Kosovo. That will be one of the
issues on the agenda today at the Secretary's meeting, and it's
something that we've taken great care to keep on our agenda with the
I can't say that we have any written iron-clad assurances on
specific issues, but we have a general assurance from the Serbs that the
rights of the Albanian community will be respected.
Q On another subject: Have you had a chance to examine the
results of the latest round in the Egyptian elections, and do you think
that they were free and fair?
MR. BURNS: The second round of elections took place yesterday on
December 6 in districts where no candidate had won a majority of seats
in the first round. In all, we understand that more than 600 candidates
were competing in this second round yesterday for 317 of the 444 elected
seats in the Egyptian People's Assembly.
We continue to be impressed by the fact that there was a large
voter turnout, and that is particularly true in rural areas of Egypt.
Initial reports in the second round suggest that a number of opposition
party candidates have won seats in the double figures.
We still are concerned, however, about reports of irregularities
and the harassment of candidates. In line with President Mubarak's
public commitment to free and fair elections, we fully expect that the
Egyptian Government will investigate charges of irregularities and
follow up with the appropriate measures.
We note that many Egyptians have taken the initiative to observe
and comment on the electoral process. We also note that Egyptian courts
are already investigating allegations of electoral fraud and physical
harassment and other violence at the polling places, and that the
electoral results in many districts have been suspended by the courts,
pending additional investigations.
I would also note that the Egyptian Ministry of Interior has begun
to refer cases of police misconduct to the courts for investigation. So
we believe it's appropriate to await the decisions of these courts and
await the actions by the Egyptian Government on these various complaints
and allegations about the elections before we engage in any more
detailed commentary on the elections.
Q Did you have any observers on the ground?
MR. BURNS: I will check with you. (TO STAFF) Glyn, do you happen
to know the answer, if we did?
MR. DAVIES: Unofficial (inaudible).
MR. BURNS: Glyn was just saying that our Embassy observed
unofficially. They were not part of an international monitoring effort.
But let me check and see if there was a formal international monitoring
group in Egypt.
Q Speaking of elections, are you concerned that in the Russian
parliamentary elections coming up next week that the Communist Party
appears to be the leading party?
MR. BURNS: I think we all know enough about Russian politics and
Russian polls -- with all due respect to Russian polling organizations -
- to know that it's very difficult to predict the outcome.
Remember back to December 1993 when people were shocked and
surprised at the degree of support attained by Mr. Zhirinovsky and
others. I think it's very difficult for those of us outside of Russia
to predict with any degree of accuracy the outcome of these elections.
The fact is that there's a lot to be proud of if you are Russian,
looking at these elections. I think 43 parties have organized and put
together slates to run in these elections, and of these 43 parties we
would assume that maybe five or six or seven would emerge with the
largest share of votes.
But I think it's a very difficult situation to predict, given the
number of parties, the number of candidates, and frankly the number of
well known people who are on opposite sides of issues there. So what
we're going to do is just wait for the 17th of December. There will be
international monitoring of the Russian elections, and private Americans
will participate in that. That's very important.
President Yeltsin has spoken publicly in the last few days about
the importance that these elections be free and fair, and the fact is
that Russia has come a long ways since December 1991 when Russia was
created in the ashes of the Soviet Union. The fact that these elections
are being held is quite important.
Q (Inaudible) the Human Rights Watch report in which the U.S.
Government is criticized for a somewhat lackadaisical attitude on the
question of protection of human rights?
MR. BURNS: I saw a press release by Human Rights Watch, and I know
that Assistant Secretary Shattuck's people have just received a copy of
the Human Rights Watch report, and they're beginning to look through it.
Of course, we'll want to take some time and some care to look through
As an American, I don't think any of us -- I don't think the United
States has anything to feel ashamed or embarrassed about. The United
States in fact is the one country in the world that is the absolute
champion of human rights. Our foreign policy stands for that. We issue
our own human rights reports on an annual basis.
Interestingly, if you look at what happened at Dayton, Ohio, I
think it's quite unusual in modern diplomatic practice that Assistant
Secretary Shattuck played such a leading role. He was there every day
of the last eight or nine days. He was in all the important meetings
with Milosevic and Tudjman and Izetbegovic, working out the provisions
on war crimes.
Most countries don't have their human rights Assistant Secretary or
human rights champion involved at the end game of those negotiations,
but Dick Holbrooke and Secretary Christopher felt it was very important
to do that.
The fact is that we stand up for human rights every day around the
world. So although we haven't read the report, I just wanted to make
those general points.
Q When you're coming back with a response -- the Human Rights
Watch praises the government for taking human rights into account in the
Dayton accords -- maybe you could deal with specific criticism, which is
that this Administration particularly has often placed commercial trade
and investment interests ahead of human rights.
MR. BURNS: This Administration has put human rights at the
forefront of its agenda. Trying to promote American exports is also an
important part of the Administration's foreign policy. There needn't be
some fundamental tradeoff between those two issues.
The fact is in the case of China -- and I saw the press report, and
Human Rights Watch mentions China -- the fact is that we are very
interested in closing the trade gap between the United States and China,
and very interested in promoting American exports there.
What other country in the world, however -- what other country in
the world -- has been so vocal in our opposition to certain human rights
practices by the Chinese Government. When you think back to all the
celebrated human rights cases of the last couple of years, the United
States has always been in the forefront in talking about those issues --
far more than many other industrialized societies around the world.
Again, we'll look through this report. We'll look through it and
see what they have to say, but Americans don't have anything to feel
ashamed of, and we ought not to just assume that because some group
criticizes us, they're right.
(The briefing concluded at 2:00 p.m.)