U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE DAILY PRESS BRIEFING (June 5, 1995)
From: hristu@arcadia.harvard.edu (Dimitrios Hristu)
Subject: U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE DAILY PRESS BRIEFING (June 5, 1995)
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
DAILY PRESS BRIEFING
I N D E X
Monday, June 5, 1995
Briefer: Joan Spero
Christine Shelly
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FORMER YUGOSLAVIA
Report of Greek FM and Defense Ministers in Belgrade ....8-9
Ambassador Frasure Mtgs. w/Milosevic ....................9,11-14,16
UN Peacekeepers/Hostages ................................9-13,15-16
F-16 Pilot ..............................................9,11-15
Serbian Recognition of Bosnia/Sanctions Suspension ......11-16
Humanitarian Supply Situation in Sarajevo ...............10,16
Secretary Christopher's Contacts ........................17
Rapid Reaction Force ....................................17
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U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
DAILY PRESS BRIEFING
DPB #81
MONDAY, JUNE 5, 1995, 1:20 P. M.
(ON THE RECORD UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED)
MS. SHELLY: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the
State Department briefing. I'm pleased today to welcome Under Secretary
Joan Spero who is well and favorably known to you as our Under Secretary
for Economic Business and Agricultural Affairs.
She's, of course, been here several times before. I just thought
we might take a few minutes at the top of today's briefing for her to
brief you on what transpired in Haiti yesterday. She was with the
Secretary, and she, of course, will give special attention to the
achievements related to the Summit of the Americas' follow-up.
As you know, the primary purpose of the Secretary's visit was to
attend the OAS Ministerial. That meeting continues through mid-week.
The U.S. is represented there now by Ambassador Harriet Babbitt, our OAS
Permanent Representative, and also Assistant Secretary Alex Watson.
Under Secretary Spero will begin with a few remarks. She'll be
happy to take some questions, and then we'll continue with the usual
topics on other subjects following the normal format.
So, without any further ado, Under Secretary Spero, it's all yours,
and thank you.
UNDER SECRETARY SPERO: I'll just take a couple of minutes this
morning to tell you about our visit to Haiti yesterday. I see a couple
of familiar faces who were on that hot helicopter and other places with
us yesterday.
We traveled to Haiti not only to participate in the OAS Ministerial
meeting but also to attend what I thought was a very moving graduation
from the Police Academy -- the first group of policemen and women sworn
in by President Aristide.
We participated in the dialogue of Foreign Ministers, and then we
attended and Secretary Christopher chaired the meeting of the Foreign
Ministers to review the progress on the Summit of the Americas.
I think it's worth just noting briefly that this meeting not only
of the Summit of the Americas but of the Organization of American States
took place in Haiti. I happened to be in beautiful downtown, even
hotter than Haiti, Belem, Brazil, last year for the annual meeting of
the OAS. At that time President Aristide invited the Ministers to come
to the OAS meeting in a free Haiti.
So it was really quite exciting to be there yesterday, and I think
it's the prism through which a lot of the discussions were held.
Today, let me just spend a couple of minutes on the Foreign
Ministers' meeting on the Summit implementation. Overall, there was
really a very high level of enthusiasm, excitement, and support for the
Summit of the Americas, both for all the work that we're doing in the
follow-through on the Summit and the very concrete projects and
proposals, but also what everybody continues to call the "Spirit of
Miami," and that is a sort of a new way of working together in a more
cooperative and open relationship.
There was a recognition that despite several major crises which
followed the Summit -- the financial problems in Mexico, the conflict
between Peru and Ecuador -- that the Summit and the way forward that the
Summit identified remain more important than ever. So we need to
continue to work on opening markets. We need to continue to work on
supporting democracy, on dealing with issues of poverty and sustainable
development.
The Secretary and his 33 colleagues had agreed at the Summit in
December that they would meet again to review the progress, and they did
issue -- and I brought it along for those of you who would like to
memorize it -- a copy of the summary and the various reports that were
submitted by the different countries on all the work that they're doing
on the Summit of the Americas. There's a lot going on. It's a very
hefty document. I do not intend to review it all for you today.
I can give you just -- if you'll permit me -- a couple of
highlights of the types of things that we're working on. There is
progress going forward on financial markets. A committee on hemispheric
financial issues should be operational and launched this summer. My
colleague, Larry Summers, will be leading that effort. There is a draft
counter-narcotics strategy for the 21st century that will address
illicit production, demand reduction and interdiction.
The financial experts have met and developed a strategy on money
laundering, and we're expecting a ministerial meeting this fall that Bob
Rubin will chair to culminate that effort. Venezuela has made a
proposal on corruption that is being followed up. There is work on
sustainable development that's being heavily led by the Central American
countries.
The Inter-American Development Bank and the OAS are moving ahead on
their internal reforms, and the Inter-American Development Bank is
shifting its lending in the direction that the Summit identified,
particularly in health and human infrastructure. We have a fact sheet
for those of you who are interested.
In addition to talking about progress and issuing this report, the
four Ministers talked about how we can continue to work together to
improve our coordination process.
The next step will be two meetings that will be held at the end of
this month. On June 30, the Trade Ministers will meet in Denver for the
first of two Ministerials that are planned for work on the Free Trade
Area of the Americas Negotiations and preparation for that Ministerial
are going on.
That meeting in Denver will be followed by a Trade and Commerce
forum that's going to be co-hosted by Mickey Kantor and Ron Brown, and
that will bring together leading business representatives throughout the
hemisphere to continue to work on promoting private sector cooperation.
So the Summit process continues to go forward. I think again it's
important to stress that there was an initial concern that perhaps the
financial crisis in Mexico or the Peru-Ecuador situation might somehow
disrupt the process. What I sensed was that it only reinforced the
belief that we have to continue the process even more vigorously than in
the past. I will stop there.
Q Senator Bob Graham and some others are pushing through
Congress legislation that would give a NAFTA-style benefit to the
Caribbean Basin Initiative countries. Is that consistent with the free
trade area agenda that you're working on? Do you support that?
UNDER SECRETARY SPERO: Yes, absolutely. In fact, this was
legislation that was announced by the Vice President when we visited
Honduras, Tegucigalpa, last year. It is designed to try to offset some
of the special benefits that derive under NAFTA, that could potentially
harm some of the Caribbean Basin countries.
We are working now on that legislation. It's before the Hill. And
a number of the Central American countries specifically referenced their
interest in that legislation in their interventions in the Foreign
Ministers' meeting.
Any other questions?
Q Can I ask you a different topic? Is that okay? U.S.-Japan.
UNDER SECRETARY SPERO: Surprise! (Laughter) Okay.
Q Over the weekend, Transport Minister Kamei and Mr. Pena had a
discussion about aviation talks, and they actually couldn't agree, and
it's reported that U.S. is preparing sanctions against Japan, and do you
have anything on that?
UNDER SECRETARY SPERO: There was a conversation between Secretary
Pena and Minister Kamei, as you mentioned, over the weekend. We are
talking to them about next steps. Clearly, a show cause order is one
possibility. There was also some discussion about perhaps getting some
of our vice ministers together but nothing is decided at this point.
You may know that Mr. Kamei himself is scheduled to come to the
United States in about a week, I guess, for the APEC Transportation
Ministers' meeting. But there was no definitive outcome of that
discussion.
Q What is a show cause order?
UNDER SECRETARY SPERO: If you think of the process in the arena of
transportation and aviation, a show cause order is the equivalent to
announcing what you would do in a 301. It is sort of the equivalent.
So a show cause order essentially says, "Here are the sanctions we are
going to impose. If you feel there are reasons that we should not do
this -- and there's a debate and discussion period -- then you should
show a cause why we should not impose those sanctions."
So it's the same as the period when you do a 301 when you announce
your sanctions and you allow for public comment. It's just a different
name for a quite similar process.
MS. SHELLY: Thank you very much.
(Under Secretary Spero concluded her briefing at 1:29 p.m., at
which time Ms. Shelly opened her briefing.)
MS: SHELLY: I have a couple of announcements that I'd like to
begin with.
The first is I'd like to draw to the attention of the members of
the press that we have two new summer interns who are working with us,
and, since these are all people who are very active in helping to
prepare us for the briefing as well as responding to your queries, I'd
like to take a minute and introduce them.
The first is Stephen Kaufman. Steve, can I get you to stand.
Steve is a recent graduate from the College of William and Mary where he
doubled majored in Middle Eastern studies and religion. He will be in
the Press Office until the end of July when he will go to Israel for two
years to pursue a Masters Degree in Middle Eastern history at Tel Aviv
University.
The second, Michael Hasday -- would you stand; thank you -- is a
junior at the University of Pennsylvania and is majoring in political
science. He will be with us through mid-August. Last summer he
interned at the Treasury Department. So let me welcome both of you, and
I know that you will all enjoy your experiences of working with them and
give them also whatever guidance and help that you might suggest as they
perform their duties. Good to have you on board.
On Friday, in the context of discussing a report which went up to
the Hill last week, we also indicated that there was a report that would
be submitted to the Congress on Greece. I'm pleased to inform you that
that report has now been submitted. It's a report on enforcement by
Greece of U.N. sanctions against Serbia and Montenegro, consistent with
Title III of the Foreign Operations Act of Fiscal 1995.
Ten percent of the Fiscal '95 foreign military financing for Greece
-- and in this case that's approximately $24 million -- was withheld
pending receipt of this report. Greece has since rejected the
conditional funds.
The report states that although we cannot confirm allegations of
complicity by the Greek Government in the evasion of U.N. sanctions,
there are areas of concern regarding Greek enforcement of sanctions.
These include the activities of the Serbian consulate in Thessaloniki,
the presence of Serbian front companies in Greece, the diversion of
Greek goods to Serbia through third countries, and the desirability of
more aggressive enforcement of sanctions by Greek authorities.
The report also summarizes what is required of states by various
U.N. resolutions and outlines the Greek view of sanctions as an
instrument to help resolve the conflict in the former Yugoslavia. This
report will be available in the Press Office this afternoon, and
certainly we'd be happy to come back to its contents.
I'll be happy to take questions on this or other subjects.
Q What is the status of the money? Is it now being released,
or is it still being held?
MS. SHELLY: No. Since there was the condition of preparing the
report attached to it, Greece rejected the notion of accepting any
conditional funds. As you may be aware from our briefing last week,
this was also the case in the funds which were withheld. And again,
this is only withheld from the foreign military financing.
I'm told that there is no longer any issue of gaining back that ten
percent, not only because countries in question rejected the notion of
conditional funds but also because of the tremendous pressures on
foreign assistance funding generally -- that that money has now been
allocated toward other uses.
Q In principle, would it have been released based on this
report?
MS. SHELLY: It's impossible for me to offer a judgment on that
since, before that issue might have become one that we would address,
the Greek Government decided it did not wish to accept those funds
anyway.
Q The State Department ducked the question of judgment then?
MS. SHELLY: I don't think it's a "duck." I think this is a
question of factoring in the wishes of the receiving country which was
not receiving to assistance that had a condition attached to it. So I
think that's the operative point.
Q Will the report be made available immediately after the
briefing, or will there be a delay?
MS. SHELLY: It is my hope and expectation that within a very short
few minutes following the briefing, that copies will be available.
Q Does it address the blockade of Macedonia at all?
MS. SHELLY: Not specifically that I'm aware. I'll have to go back
and check the report again, but I don't specifically remember a
reference to that.
Q You may have answered this last week. Have other countries
had similar reports on them and similar conditions about aid?
MS. SHELLY: Specifically, we laid it to the enforcement of
sanctions against Serbia. It's theoretically possible. Not that I'm
aware of. This report only specifically addressed the situation of
Greece, so therefore that's the only country that is addressed in terms
of what the State Department has submitted.
Q Does the report specifically address the issue of petroleum
leakage?
MS. SHELLY: There are references to the petroleum issue in here,
if I can just find that for a second. There's a section about the oil
pre-verification system. There's a section in there on that. Then
related to some of the front companies and third-country routing, I
think there may be some references to oil in there as well. I think
those are the places where it's addressed.
Q Did Greece violate the sanctions regime?
MS. SHELLY: What I did was I gave as brief a kind of bottom line
as possible, which have to do with whether or not there is government
sanction of violations. In that, we said that we could not confirm that
there is. But at the same time, we've also said that there are a lot of
concerns that we have about various ways in which goods that do come
from Greece are finding their way into Serbia.
I would like to note that the Government of Greece has promulgated
all of the laws and regulations which are necessary to enforce the
sanctions. Even though we cannot confirm government complicity in
sanctions evasion, we would certainly prefer a more pro-active approach
to sanctions enforcement on the part of the Greek Government, there are
a number of Greek goods that do reach Serbia, as I've mentioned, that
tend to travel via third countries.
The Greek Government position on this has been, once that goods
leave Greece, the country of destination, as stated on the shipping
documents, is responsible for assuring that those goods are not sent to
Serbia. As you know, Serbia does not have a border with Greece.
There have been several communications, not just from the United
States but also from the EU/OSCE Sanctions Assistance Mission where
Greece has been asked to investigate a couple hundred reported
violations.
Our Embassy in Athens has also provided information on the pattern
of sanctions violations. So we go into that in rather considerable
detail in the report. We, of course, continue to urge strengthened
sanctions enforcement by the Government of Greece.
Q (Inaudible) with banking -- financial transactions?
MS. SHELLY: I have to go back and check the report. I'm trying to
recall specifically. I don't recall seeing a specific reference to
banking. I'll go back and check. I don't think banking is singled out,
per se.
Q (Inaudible) money laundering, in your opening statement?
MS. SHELLY: Money laundering?
Q Yes.
MS. SHELLY: Did I mention money laundering?
Q Maybe I misheard.
MS. SHELLY: I don't think I mentioned that. Did I? Did I mention
that? I mentioned the presence of Serbian front companies in Greece and
the diversion of Greek goods through third countries. I mentioned those
things. I didn't specifically mention money laundering.
Q In connection with Greece, there's a story on the wires that
the Greek Foreign Minister and Defense Minister now in Belgrade are
trying to negotiate the release of the hostages, or at least attempting
to see Milosevic to do that. Do you think they can be helpful in
carrying a message?
MS. SHELLY: I have only just myself a few minutes before coming
out here also seen that same report. I think before commenting on it, I
would like to try to get some more details, including exactly what we
have been told about the mission.
Obviously, we would like to see the immediate and unconditional
release of all of the remaining U.N. peacekeepers who are being held.
We call upon the Bosnian Serbs to do that.
Q Can you bring us up to date on Ambassador Frasure's comings
and goings? Is the mission, as reported, coming to a close on this part
in any way?
MS. SHELLY: Ambassador Frasure is still there. As you know, one
of the main subjects that he has been taking up since he's been there
is, of course, the U.N. hostage issue. He certainly has not been
involved in a negotiation on that point. He has been doing his best to
impress upon President Milosevic the need for him to use his influence
in trying to achieve the immediate and unconditional release of all of
the U.N. peacekeepers who continue to be held.
Ambassador Frasure continued to meet with President Milosevic in
Belgrade over the weekend. As I mentioned, he is still there today.
There is no progress to report at this time.
I think we also mentioned on Friday that -- or if I didn't, let me
just confirm -- in addition to discussing the U.N. hostages, he also is
there discussing the down F-16 pilot with President Milosevic. He's
there. We hope that some progress can be made, but I do not have any
progress to report at this time. I don't have any announcement either
regarding his future travel plans. There certainly is speculation out
there, which I acknowledge, but I don't have anything to announce at
this point.
Q Christine, just to follow up on the negotiations on the F-16
pilot, has he been given any kind of response you can share with us from
Mr. Milosevic?
MS. SHELLY: Mostly, I would say it's been more of a one-way
message in the sense that he has tried to encourage President Milosevic
to do everything possible to find out what the factual state of play is.
As you know, the reports certainly continue to be very mixed; and, also,
in the event that there could be solid evidence to the effect that the
Bosnian Serbs really were holding the pilot, that they, of course, could
use their influence to try to get him released.
But I don't think that there's anything new regarding the state of
play beyond that which Secretary Perry addressed yesterday.
Q Could I go now to the issues of Bosnia? Especially two
related issues, one of which we touched on a little bit last week.
What's called the Task Force Alpha is reportedly just about assembled.
That's, I believe, part of the 10,000-man group that is planning to go
and open roads, especially the one to Sarajevo through Serb-held
territory; possibly into other enclaves, safe zones. The risk would be
of the U.N. confronting the Serbs.
And a second adjunct to this question: Will the United States
condone such actions, if it's decided upon by the U.N., and will we fly
air cover with our C-130's, etc.? Or do you yet know, Christine? And
then I have a second follow-up, if I could.
MS. SHELLY: I have a very short answer to that. First of all,
Secretary Perry gave quite a full readout in terms of the meetings that
were held on Saturday and what was agreed.
At this point, it is still very much in the planning phase; and the
possibility of opening what is, obviously, a very key supply route to
Sarajevo is one of the things which is under discussion. Ultimately, if
that action is to take place, it's also ultimately going to have to go
before the Security Council for some kind of endorsement as well. None
of that has happened yet.
So all of the different arrangements related to opening up that
route still have to be worked out and then decided by the appropriate
bodies.
The discussion of it obviously is a reflection of the humanitarian
situation there and the extreme difficulty in trying to get supplies
into Sarajevo, for all of the obvious reasons.
The situation is one that as a result of the fighting that has made
it very, very difficult to get the aid in. So, certainly, there is an
increasingly critical situation in Sarajevo. But the issues that you've
raised are simply ones that we're not in a position to give answers to
at this time.
Q If I could follow up, Christine. Would this possible
confrontation between the U.N. -- military confrontation and conflict
fighting -- between the U.N. and the Bosnian Serbs, could that not bring
upon more actions of taking and holding of hostages?
And, finally, is not the United States Government in some way
responsible, having knowledge of the airstrike last week, aforeknowledge
of the airstrike against the Serbian ammo dumps? Don't we bear some
responsibility for not having planned to get hostages -- potential
hostages -- out of harms way?
MS. SHELLY: On the second point, I categorically reject your
notion that we are somehow responsible for this. The use of air power
and the circumstances under which it can occur under the dual-key
arrangement, this is nothing new. All of those involved in the decision
were well aware of what any potential risks and consequences might be.
But I think any notion of putting any blame anywhere except
squarely on the Bosnian Serb shoulders is misguided.
As to the first part of your question, which I confess I've
forgotten. What's the first part of the question? You make such long
questions, it's really hard for the briefer to remember what they all
are. The first part of the question, again?
Q It's a complex issue.
MS. SHELLY: It's a complex issue.
Q What if the U.N. gets into warfare -- partisan warfare with
the Bosnian Serbs -- wouldn't that risk the taking of more U.N.
hostages?
MS. SHELLY: Your question almost implies that there is peace now
and if there are actions, there will be war. That is certainly not the
situation on the ground. The situation is worrisome. There had been an
escalation in the shelling and fighting and use of mortars in recent
days. It was precisely the degree of violation of safe zones and safe
areas by the Bosnian Serbs, which is what what led to action in the
first place.
So there are risks inherent in being there and risk inherent in
taking action. But it's clear that the international community, with
its presence there, cannot just sit by idly as the noose is tightened,
so to speak.
Judd.
Q Going back to Frasure?
MS. SHELLY: Sure.
Q You talked about his -- talking to Milosevic about the F-16
pilot and the hostages, has he reported any progress on narrowing the
gap with Milosevic over -- the real reason for his visit, which is
gaining Serbian recognition of Bosnia in exchange for sanctions
suspension? We were told that he was 80/85 percent there. Has the
percentage gone up at all?
MS. SHELLY: I wouldn't ascribe a numerical percentage to it. As
you also know, the final remaining share is the toughest part. In the
aftermath of the Contact Group ministerial, there certainly was hope
that agreement could be reached on the remaining issues that had not yet
been worked out. That's the issue on which I don't have any specific
progress to report. I think we're still at the same point that we were
prior to Ambassador Frasure arriving in Belgrade.
Q Regarding Milosevic and the other issues of the NATO pilot
and the hostages, in general, is there a sense that Milosevic is trying
to use his influence but his influence is limited, or that he's waiting
for a little more sweetener before he tries to exercise whatever
influence he has?
MS. SHELLY: That report is certainly out there, that he somehow
felt that he could use the latest events to try to improve the deal. I
can't specifically confirm that. I think that his involvement -- this
is certainly a very key test for him, however. Let me state that.
I think it is in his interest to try to secure the release of the
U.N. peacekeepers immediately and without conditions. We think this is
not just a question of our asking him to do that or the Contact Group or
the international community. If he has influence, he should use it. He
can demonstrate that he has it by securing the remaining the
peacekeepers who are being held -- securing their immediate release.
We firmly believe in is in his interest to do this. We do not
believe this issue is one that should have any kind impact on the other
issue, which has to do with the formulation whereby Serbia would
recognize Bosnia and, in exchange, secure some relief from the
sanctions.
So we don't see any specific linkage. We rule out the possibility
that somehow there were would be a sweetened or enhanced package for him
if he was able to do something that, in fact, is in his own interest to
do in the first place.
Q Why is it in his interest?
MS. SHELLY: It's in his interest because U.N. peacekeepers should
not be held and marched around in this kind of fashion and harassed,
certainly.
Q Why is it specifically in Serbia's interest to make sure U.N.
peacekeepers aren't held and marched around and for the President of
Serbia to use his influence to stop that?
MS. SHELLY: Because if he is truly interested in finding a
solution to the crisis and in having a negotiated settlement and also
trying to bring peace to the war torn region of Bosnia, it's certainly
clear that he should not condone or even tacitly go along with some kind
of continued harassment and detention of U.N. peacekeepers.
Q Well, the only real interest he has, I would think, is in
getting the sanctions lifted. But you say it's not linked to that. So
I don't understand why it's in his interest?
MS. SHELLY: Because the whole issue was under discussion. In
fact, there had been a measure of an agreement on a package whereby some
of those things could occur. But that had absolutely nothing to do with
the latest round and the seizure and harassment of U.N. peacekeepers as
well as the downing of the U.S. pilot. These issues were unconnected
before. We continue to be of the view that they're unconnected now.
Q Can I ask if you have any reaction to the amount of
information or the lack thereof from the Bosnian Serbs about the status
of the pilot? Are you satisfied with the information you're getting
from the Bosnian Serbs about the pilot? And are they in violation of
any international conventions?
MS. SHELLY: I would just leave this issue with what Secretary
Perry said yesterday. I'm not aware of there being new information
since the information that he had yesterday when he addressed this.
Again, I think it would be appropriate in any case if there were new
information to put out on this, that for it to come out of the Pentagon
rather than coming out of here. But I simply don't have anything new.
Q I'm not asking about the pilot. I'm not asking for something
new about the pilot. I'm asking for the U.S. Government's view as to
whether the Bosnian Serbs have been offering an adequate amount of
information about the status of the pilot and whether they are in
violation of any international laws or treaties because of the lack of
information that you're --
MS. SHELLY: Even some of the reports that they have put out have
not been entirely consistent. Certainly, some reports coming from
Bosnian Serb sources have suggested that they do have the pilot, and
there is other information to the contrary.
So, simply in that sense I think it's very difficult to ascribe a
kind of validity judgment to the quality of information that we're
getting, through whatever channel, from the Bosnian Serb side.
But, again, before we ever pronounce any judgment about violations
of international law -- again, I think since it's not clear what the
situation is -- in any case, it would be very difficult to make that
kind of determination. But that's also a determination that I would
never make without consulting our lawyers first.
Q Christine, you just said that there was a measure of an
agreement on a package between Frasure and Milosevic. Can you give us
some sense of what that package looks like?
MS. SHELLY: I really can't beyond things which we've said before.
Because, basically, we have decided that we were not going to get into a
public discussion of the details of the elements which are on the table.
Q In particular, is it still suspension as opposed to lifting?
Is it still each Security Council member has a right to reimpose the
sanctions or demand a reimposition, or does the Secretary General have
that authority now?
MS. SHELLY: As to the first part of your question, it's my
understanding that it's still suspension rather than lift. As to the
exact mechanism, whereby some of this might go back into effect, that is
still an issue that's under discussion.
Q But has there been any modification of the position in the
past 10 days from the position that Frasure had when he was there a
couple of weeks ago?
MS. SHELLY: Which was? What specifically are you referring to?
Q The United States, for example, could have the sanctions
reimposed in the Security Council without anybody else being involved?
MS. SHELLY: I think it is certainly our view in a general sense.
I'm afraid I'm simply not in a position to give a very, very specific
answer to your question. But it certainly is the U.S.'s position that
we need to see a measure of control so that in the event we get the
information that there is violation, that we can then take action.
How exactly that's done, and how the action through the Security
Council is worked, and what if any other parties might be involved in
this, -- again, those are all things which do touch on the overall issue
of the mechanism. Again, that's something in which all the details are
not worked out.
Q Modification did place, then?
MS. SHELLY: I'm not specifically ruling one in or ruling one out.
Sid.
Q Christine, the Bosnian Serb commander, Mladic, has said he
won't give up any information on the American pilot unless NATO agrees
not to fly anymore airstrikes. Is that something NATO might -- the
United States might consider an appropriate concession?
MS. SHELLY: I think the notion of conditionality on any action on
the part of the Bosnian Serbs related to a kind of blanket statement on
airstrikes is unacceptable, as Secretary Christopher said most recently
yesterday.
Q Do you see any significance in the released hostages being
taken to Serbia instead of just being returned to UNPROFOR?
MS. SHELLY: Not in particular. I think it was a reflection,
certainly, of President Milosevic's involvement; also his obviously
having the kind of contact with the Bosnian Serbs that presumably made
that logistically possible. But I don't think I would go further than
that in reading significance into it.
Q With Milosevic being the main point of contact with the
Contact Group on this and that contact being premised, at least in part,
on the idea that he was distancing himself from the Bosnian Serbs, --
have you been disappointed? Has it changed that premise at all, that
Milosevic has not come out and forcefully demanded the release of these
hostages?
MS. SHELLY: I think from what we have seen, in terms of the
totality of statements by President Milosevic, not only in terms of what
he said publicly but also what he has said on this privately, certainly
led us to conclude that he saw no value in continuing to detain U.N.
peacekeepers and that he would express that view to the Bosnian Serbs
and would do whatever he could to try to seek their release.
So you did, of course, see some partial progress on that a couple
of days ago. Certainly, we would like him to continue to do that if the
result can be that they can be released immediately and unconditionally.
Q Christine, also on Milosevic. You say that Frasure is still
talking about suspension of the sanctions rather than lifting. Is there
any adjective attached to that? Is there a time span?
MS. SHELLY: A time span? Not specifically that I'm aware of.
That may be something that's under discussion, but I'm again not in a
position to confirm that in detail.
Q Christine, has Milosevic asked for Western recognition of
Serbia as a condition for agreeing to this deal?
MS. SHELLY: I don't have any information on that.
Q Christine, you said earlier that before to the new U.N.
force, or whatever kind of force it is, could take an action like
opening a road it must go to the Security Council. Do you expect that
they need a new mandate or why is it necessary to go? There are so many
mandates out there already.
MS. SHELLY: There are mandates out there already. It's just my
general understanding that, to the extent that there would be a precise
regime or mechanism for doing this put into place, that would be likely
to pass through the Security Council for some kind of a nod. I don't
think there's anything very concrete at this point.
U.N. authorities also, of course, in the context of the discussions
now of the U.N. Secretary General's report to the Security Council, are
obviously also looking at the mandate to try to see what adjustments, if
any, could be made or should be made. That's simply something I think
ultimately would be likely to pass through the U.N. Security Council.
But I don't have more specific detail at this point.
Q Do you have anything to say about the Secretary's activities,
Bosnia-related or otherwise, before he leaves Wednesday on his next
trip?
MS. SHELLY: Needless to say, the Secretary has been deeply engaged
in this, and he is not only having consultations here in Washington but
he obviously will be involved in congressional contacts and also
contacts with his counterparts -- I would assume most directly in the
Contact Group ministerial counterparts -- regarding the situation.
So he is deeply engaged in working this issue, and even as he does
head off for the Middle East on Wednesday, he is certain to remain
engaged even while he's on the road.
Q Will he see the Bosnian Prime Minister?
MS. SHELLY: I don't have the Bosnian Prime Minister's schedule at
this point.
Q (Inaudible) the Bosnian Prime Minister's schedule, asking
about the Secretary of State's schedule. He leaves Wednesday, the
Bosnian Prime Minister will be in the city tomorrow. Will he see him?
MS. SHELLY: I'll have to check on that. I don't have information
on that.
Q Christine, speaking of the Middle East and Christopher,
there's a report out of Cairo that he'll be meeting on Friday in Cairo
with Rabin and Mubarak. Is that so?
MS. SHELLY: I'm not in a position to confirm that, but let me
check.
Q I'd like to go back to Bosnia one more time. Do you have an
understanding of what the command and control will be for this new rapid
reaction force? I mean, is it a U.N. force? Does it report, therefore,
to the civilian authorities in the U.N., or does it bypass them, and, if
it bypasses them, who does it report to?
MS. SHELLY: I don't know if that issue has been specifically
addressed yet in the context of the meetings and planning which was
launched on Saturday. So I don't have an answer for you on that. That
question might be more appropriately directed to the Pentagon, but I'll
be happy to check into it and see if we can elicit some more information
on that.
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(The briefing concluded at 2:03 p.m.)
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