Greek Government Press Briefing, 12-01-16

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 16 Ianoyarioy 2012

Ariqmos Deltioy: 375503279

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H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO PANTELH KACH

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 16 Ianoyarioy 2011

Kalo meshmeri.

Opws jerete, apo ayrio jekina mia krisimh periodos gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Erxetai h troika kai jekinoyn oi diaboyleyseis. Einai mia periodos opoy qa apaithqei h megisth dynath apodotikothta - kai ths kybernhshs kai toy kratikoy mhxanismoy.

Oi diaboyleyseis qa einai dyskoles. Apo thn pleyra mas, jeroyme oti qa yparjoyn pieseis gia pio grhgores diarqrwtikes allages, alla me thn epignwsh - anejarthta ths opoias ajiologhshs mporei na kanei kaqenas - oti exoyme kanei para poly megalh prospaqeia olo ayto ton kairo. Exoyn proxwrhsei shmantikes diarqrwtikes allages. Exete dei oti h dhmosionomikh prosarmogh poy egine sthn Ellada htan poly megalyterh apo opoiadhpote allh xwra. Ton teleytaio kairo exoyn proxwrhsei mia seira apo nomosxedia poy sxetizontai me tis diarqrwtikes allages kai nomizw oti eimaste se ena kalo dromo gia na proxwrhsoyme, na oloklhrwsoyme tis diaboyleyseis kai thn ypografh ths daneiakhs symbashs.

Xqes, eixame thn episkech toy Germanoy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Besterbele, o opoios dhlwse thn emprakth sthrijh kai yposthrijh ths Elladas apo th Germania kai toys etairoys mas. Para tis dyskolies loipon, yparxei h aisiodojia oti sto telos qa oloklhrwqoyn ola me ton kalytero dynato tropo gia na antimetwpisoyme to terastio problhma xrhmatodothshs poy oloi blepoyme gyrw mas oti yparxei.

Epishs, qa hqela na sas pw oti yparxei mia synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto amerikaniko diktyo CNBC, h opoia nomizw oti dinei polles apanthseis gyrw apo ta oikonomika.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FOYRLHS: Mporeite na mas peite to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

KACHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, oysiastika, exei akyrwsei oles tis drasthriothtes toy kai epikentrwnetai apo edw kai pera sthn istoria ths daneiakhs symbashs. Sto PSI, th daneiakh symbash kai thn proetoimasia twn allagwn poy qa xreiastoyn. Einai to apokleistiko, to kyrio sxedon baros toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia tis epomenes hmeres kai ebdomades. Epishs, exoyme kai th Synodo Koryfhs sto telos toy mhna. Ayto einai to basiko ergo ths kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

PIKOYLAS: Mporeite na mas peite, giati hrqe o k. Besterbele edw sthn Aqhna kai an yphrje kapoio aithma pros th Germania gia megalytero programma xrhmatodothshs;

KACHS: Den egine tetoia syzhthsh. Htan aplws mia kinhsh yposthriktikh apo thn pleyra ths Germanias. Den yphrje kati allo.

PERDIKARHS: Gia th synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto CNBC, to gegonos oti anaferetai sto oti o monadikos dromos gia thn Ellada einai to eyrw, shmainei oti exei parei antiqeta mhnymata apo toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys;

KACHS: Oxi, oxi, ayto den exei kamia sxesh, den yparxei tetoio qema.

MIXAHL: Pws apantate, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, sta dhmosieymata kai ta sxolia poy synexws emfanizontai ton teleytaio kairo, oti o k. Papadhmos leitoyrgei ws entolodoxos ths k. Merkel kai etoimazei sklhra metra ston ellhniko lao, xwris na diapragmateyetai kai xwris na ekfrazei tis dikes toy antirrhseis;

KACHS: Prokeitai gia plhrh paranohsh ths diadikasias, h opoia yparxei. Den yparxoyn entoles kai odhgies. Yparxei mia para poly dyskolh diapragmateysh, poy stoxo exei na broyme ti einai to kalytero gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia, oxi mono gia to dhmosionomiko problhma, alla kai gia thn anaptyjiakh poreia, h opoia einai anagkaia apo edw kai pera. Giati to olo programma qa petyxei, ean dhmioyrghsoyme tis synqhkes anaptyjhs. Ara, einai mia parallhlh diadikasia.

MPEKA: Qelw na milhsoyme ligo gia to qema twn eklogwn, na mas jekaqarisete ti exei symfwnhqei metajy twn politikwn arxhgwn, paroysia kai toy k. Papoylia kai ti eixe symfwnhqei otan o k. Papadhmos egine Prwqypoyrgos, gia to qema ayto.

KACHS: Qa epanalabw ta gnwsta. H symfwnia einai, molis oloklhrwqei to ergo ayths ths kybernhshs, na pame - to syntomotero dynaton - se ekloges. Ayto isxyei. Den yparxei kati allo na pw ep` aytoy. Ayto ejalloy epibebaiwqhke kai stis twrines epafes. Xronikh ektimhsh den qa sas kanw, exoyn ginei toses!

MOYRELATOS: Xqes, o antiproedros ths kybernhshs, k. Benizelos, mas elege poso krisimh kai poso dyskolh einai ayth h ebdomada kai oi epomenes poy erxontai. Kai xarakthristika mas eipe oti teleiwsan ta cemata kai ta asteia, edw xreiazetai sobarh sthrijh, isxyrh sthrijh apo ola ta kommata poy sygkrotoyn ton kybernhtiko synaspismo. Eseis ektimate politika oti qa exete thn aparaithth sthrijh gia na perasete dyskoles kai krisimes apofaseis, oxi mono apo th N.D. kai to LA.O.S., alla kai apo to PA.SO.K.;

KACHS: Ayto to qewrw aytonohto. Oti h kybernhsh exei mprosta ths ena para poly dyskolo ergo, sto opoio qa th sthrijoyn kai ta tria kommata poy th sthrizoyn koinoboyleytika ayth th stigmh, einai aytonohto.

PIKOYLAS: Yphrje kapoia skech gia symboylio politikwn arxhgwn. Ayto telika qa ginei;

KACHS: Yparxei h protash toy k. Karatzaferh. Ayto yparxei. Apo thn pleyra toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ayth thn ebdomada, qa synexistoyn oi diaboyleyseis me toys politikoys arxhgoys,

PIKOYLAS: Qa ginoyn synanthseis;

KACHS: Oxi, kat` anagkh, mporei na einai kai thlefwnikes.

KWBAIOS: Xqes, yphrje reportaz thleoptikoy staqmoy, me dhlwsh toy ekproswpoy ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs k. Karboynh poy elege oti den yparxei aithma kai piesh apo thn eyrwpaikh pleyra gia katarghsh toy katwtatoy misqoy kai toy 13oy kai 14oy. Telika, ti isxyei, giati egine kai mia antiparabolh me dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy se prosfato ypoyrgiko symboylio poy elege oti exei teqei sto trapezi ayto to zhthma.

KACHS: Den sxoliazw tis dhlwseis toy k. Karboynh. Ayto poy exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos kai isxyei, einai oti apo thn pleyra ths troika yparxei to aithma na antimetwpistei to zhthma ths antagwnistikothtas. Kai sto trapezi toy dialogoy twn koinwnikwn etairwn exoyn pesei mia seira apo zhthmata, sta opoia perilambanetai: O katwtatos misqos, h o 13os kai 14os, h oi wrimanseis. Ayto einai poy isxyei.

KOYTRAS: Na to kanoyme ligo safes ayto. To qema toy 13oy kai 14oy ...

KACHS: To qema einai h antagwnistikothta kai leei, sta qemata poy prepei na syzhthsete perilambanontai: Mh misqologiko kostos, 13os -14os, katwtatos misqos, eidika misqologia. Ayta einai na mpoyn sto trapezi, leei h troika. Oi etairoi mporei na baloyn alla 15. To krisimo zhtoymeno gia thn kybernhsh, einai na prowqhsei tetoies allages poy qa beltiwnoyn thn antagwnistikothta ths oikonomias. Ayto einai to megisto.

KOYTRAS: Nai, aplws prepei na ginoyn ligo safeis... Prepei na jekaqaristei poios exei balei to qema, giati o kosmos akoyei diafora. Emas o k. Papadhmos otan mas eide...

KACHS: Ayta ta qemata anaferqhkan apo thn troika ws paradeigmata, oxi ws kleistos katalogos. Mphkan apo thn troika. Na syzhthqoyn kai ayta.

MPEKA: Esteile, dhladh, epistolh h troika kai zhtaei...

KACHS: Einai h gnwsth epistolh poy yparxei kai thn exoyn dei kai oi arxhgoi.

BITALHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti amesa den yparxei kati gia symboylio politikwn arxhgwn kai oti o k. Papadhmos qa synexisei tis epafes me toys politikoys arxhgoys. Gia poio logo; Den lyqhkan ta zhthmata; Molis thn prohgoymenh Pempth, oloklhrwse ton prwto kyklo. Yparxoyn problhmata ta opoia einai sto trapezi akoma kai dhmioyrgoyn, en pash periptwsei dyskolies sth leitoyrgia ths kybernhshs;

KACHS: Oi diaboyleyseis qa einai synexeis, giati h syzhthsh me thn troika twra jekina. Anakyptoyn kai qa anakyptoyn mia seira apo zhthmata -den yparxei amfibolia- oi diaboyleyseis den qa stamathsoyn. Kai twra poy erxetai h troika, einai para poly shmantiko aytes na synexistoyn.

MPOYATAR: Telika, pote erxetai h troika;

KACHS: Ayrio erxetai to texniko klimakio kai apo thn epomenh ebdomada qa erqoyn...

MPOYATAR: Deytera;

KACHS: Den eimai bebaios gia th Deytera, thn epomenh ebdomada.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Qa hqela mia dieykrinish. O ekproswpos toy DNT eipe oti qa erqoyn apo ayrio oi epikefalhs. Exei ginei kapoia kaqysterhsh;

KACHS: Oxi, oxi, den yphrje.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Dhladh, apo thn arxh htan sto programma na erqoyn thn allh ebdomada;

KACHS: Ayto gnwrizw. Den yparxei qema.

MPEKA: Eipate oti exei steilei h troika epistolh poy zhtaei pente-eji aithmata. Exei balei sto trapezi pente-eji aithmata.

KACHS: Exei balei mia seira apo zhthmata.

MPEKA: Emeis, omws, blepoyme synexws oti h kybernhsh prowqei ton 13o, 14o misqo...

KACHS: H kybernhsh den prowqei tipota. Yparxei h qesh toy k. Papadhmoy, opoy exei eipwqei rhta, oti twra ginetai o dialogos me toys koinwnikoys etairoys kai ara h qesh ths kybernhshs den einai skopimo na diatypwqei ayth th stigmh. Den yparxei qesh ths kybernhshs ayth th stigmh, gi` ayta ta zhthmata. H kybernhsh qa afhsei toys etairoys na katalhjoyn stis dikes toys protaseis kai meta asfalws qa yparjei kai topoqethsh ths kybernhshs.

MOYRELATOS: Hqela na rwthsw, ean to moratorioym poy xqes fainetai oti apofasisthke sto Eqniko Symboylio toy PA.SO.K. gia xronikh metaqesh twn diadikasiwn meta to PSI kai meta thn oloklhrwsh, me polloys asteriskoys, an anakoyfizei thn kybernhsh, an qewreite dhladh oti leitoyrgei ypobohqhtika sthn eyryqmh leitoyrgia ths;

KACHS: Oi pantes sto PA.SO.K. tonisan oti prwteyon stoixeio einai to kybernhtiko ergo kai h oloklhrwsh twn diadikasiwn. Ayto asfalws einai ikanopoihtiko.

MPOYATAR: Ekfrazete mia aisiodojia se sxesh me th daneiakh symbash. H idia aisiodojia efarmozetai kai sto PSI kai sto dedomeno...

KACHS: Gia to PSI den exw na pw tipote parapanw, ap` ayta poy leei o Prwqypoyrgos sth synenteyjh toy sto CNBC.

KOYTRAS: Ti leei o Prwqypoyrgos gia ta ergasiaka kai thn prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy;

KACHS: Den exei teqei qema prajhs nomoqetikoy periexomenoy, para mono apo tis efhmerides. Egw, apo thn efhmerida to diabasa.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ayth th stigmh, tajideyoyn dyo stelexh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia thn Oyasigkton, opoy qa exoyn kapoies epafes, ean exoyme katalabei kala, gia to PSI. Mporeite na mas peite ti syzhthseis diejagoyn, ti qa kanoyn;

KACHS: Ayth th stigmh, den exw kanena sxolio gia to PSI.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti oi epikefalhs ths troika qa erqoyn thn allh ebdomada, oxi ayth, opws htan programmatismenh; Einai kaqysterhsh h oxi;

KACHS: Oxi, oxi, den yparxei kamia kaqysterhsh. Ayth thn ebdomada htan na erqei to texniko klimakio ths troika, to opoio panta prohgeitai kai meta erxetai h troika.

MPOYATAR: To IMF eixe anakoinwsei epishma oti o k. Tomsen qa erxotan stis 17 toy mhnos sthn Aqhna.

KACHS: Den to gnwrizw ayto. Emeis jeroyme oti qa prohghqei to texniko klimakio.

MPOYATAR: Apo esas den yparxei kamia anabolh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Yparxei hmeromhnia gia thn allh ebdomada;

KACHS: Den thn exw egw. Mporei na yparxei, den thn exw egw.

MOYRELATOY: O k. Benizelos eixe pei proxqes sto Eqniko Symboylio oti einai entolodoxos apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK, gia na dieyqethsei oles aytes tis istories me th daneiakh symbash kai parallhla oti ayto katagrafhke sta praktika ths synedriashs ypo ton k. Papoylia. Isxyei, ayto kyrie Ekproswpe;

KACHS: Den to gnwrizw. Den exw yp ocin moy ta praktika ths synedriashs kai den einai armodiothta ths kybernhshs.

MOYRELATOY: Kai ean ayto sthn kybernhsh einai o rolos toy k. Benizeloy.

KACHS: O k. Benizelos einai Antiproedros ths Kybernhshs kai epikefalhs epi twn oikonomikwn.

MOYRELATOY: Ennow gia diapragmateyseis PASOK-kybernhshs.

KACHS: Den yparxoyn diapragmateyseis PASOK-kybernhshs.

MOYRELATOY: Koybentes poy kanei o proedros toy PASOK, fantazomai oti kanei, me ton k. Papadhmo. Ton sthrizei. Einai sthn koinoboyleytikh toy dynamh.

KACHS: O k. Papadhmos exei synexh synergasia me ton k. Benizelo gia th diapragmateysh.

MOSXOBAS: Mia dieykrinish: Qa doqoyn ta praktika;

KACHS: Den to gnwrizw. Ayto einai qema ths Proedrias, den einai toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy.

KEXAGIA: Apo th stigmh poy qa epishmopoihqoyn oi opoies ypochfiothtes sto komma ths koinoboyleytikhs pleiochfias, tiqetai qema antikatastashs twn ypoyrgwn;

KACHS: Ayth th stigmh yparxei mia sygkekrimenh apofash sthn opoia emmenoyme kai h opoia einai para poly qetikh gia thn poreia ths xwras.

FOYRLHS: 'Hqela na janarwthsw, mhpws exete sygkekrimeno programma epafwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy, shmera, as poyme, ean exei kapoia ranteboy;

KACHS: Aythn thn stigmh exei synanthsh me ton k. Reppa.

FOYRLHS: To deytero poy hqela na sas rwthsw einai, o k. Dhmas, meta th synanthsh poy eixe me ton k. Besterbele, xqes, eipe pws h ellhnikh pleyra -ejhghse ston k. Besterbele oti- qelei perissotero xrono kai perissotera mesa. Ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs, na ypoqesoyme, poy ejefrase o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn; Qa mporoysate, endexomenws, na mas diafwtisete kai ligo parapanw, ti xrono kai ti mesa;

KACHS: Oxi, den exw na pw ti xrono kai ti mesa. Einai profanes, pantws, oti oso perissotero xrono exoyme ws xwra, toso kalytera einai. Alla den exw kapoio eidiko sxolio gia th dhlwsh.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate prin oti qewreite dedomenh thn aytonohth sthrijh, sta metra, ap ola ta kommata ta opoia symmetexoyn sthn kybernhsh. Ayth einai mia ektimhsh ths kybernhshs basei twn stoixeiwn poy apokomise apo tis kat idian epafes toy Prwqypoyrgoy, prwtistws me ton k. Samara;

KACHS: Kai apo ayto kai apo th systatikh symfwnia gia th dhmioyrgia ths kybernhshs: Oti symfwnhqhke prokeimenoy na prowqhsei ola ta anagkaia metra gia thn ypografh ths daneiakhs symbashs. Einai mesa sthn idia th symfwnia ths systashs ths kybernhshs. Ayto einai aytonohto.

MOYRELATOS: Yparxoyn kai dhmosies dhlwseis boyleytwn, pantws.

KACHS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia dhlwseis boyleytwn.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ayto poy egine thn Paraskeyh me thn ypobaqmish ennea oikonomiwn ths Eyrwphs, pws to ektima h kybernhsh ws klima kai ws xwro mesa ston opoio exoyn diamorfwqei...

KACHS: Den diatypwnoyme kapoia eidikh ektimhsh, einai omws fanero oti deixnei poso sobaro einai to problhma toy xreoys gia oloklhrh thn eyrwzwnh kai posh shmasia exei na ginoyn apofasistikes kinhseis se epipedo eyrwzwnhs gia thn antimetwpish toy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Mporei na epibarynei th diapragmateysh; Ws klima erwtw.

KACHS: Einai profanes oti olo to klima poy yparxei ayth th stigmh, dyskoleyei tis prospaqeies kai ths Elladas na staqeropoihsei thn oikonomia kai na mpoyme se fash anaptyjhs. Ean htan kalyteres oi ejelijeis apo to ejwteriko, qa htan kalytera kai gia emas.

MOSXOBAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh exei thn aisqhsh oti sxetizontai tropon tina oi dyo ejelijeis; Dhladh, h diakoph twn diadikasiwn gia to PSI, twn synomiliwn, me thn ypobaqmish twn ennea eyrwpaikwn oikonomiwn;

KACHS: Den yparxei kati.

KWBAIOS: Kata th diarkeia toy Sabbatokyriakoy, stis diadikasies toy PASOK akoysame, oloi ligo-poly sto PASOK exoyn mia dikh toys ekdoxh gia thn hmeromhnia twn eklogwn kai pws qa ftasoyme stis ekloges. Telika, ayto to apofasizei o k. Benizelos h o k. Papandreoy h o k. Skandalidhs, Kastanidhs h den jerw poios h o Prwqypoyrgos, to pote exei oloklhrwqei to ergo ths kybernhshs kai pote pame se ekloges;

KACHS: Einai antikeimeniko gegonos, to pote qa oloklhrwqei, pote qa ypografei kai pote qa elqoyn ta xrhmata. Dhladh, einai mia diadikasia poy prokyptei antikeimenika. Den xreiazetai ektimhseis kanenos.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, moy epitrepete, epeidh einai poly krisimo ayto kai den afora mono to PASOK. Symfwna me thn apofash poy exoyn parei oi politikoi arxhgoi gia na sxhmatisqei h kybernhsh Papadhmoy, otan teleiwsei h daneiakh symbash, to PSI, opws mas eipate kai prohgoymenws kai oi politikes oi opoies thn synodeyoyn...

KACHS: 'O,ti xreiastei gia na... .

MIXAHL: 'O,ti xreiastei, en pash periptwsei, qa prepei na dialyqei h Boylh kai na pame se ekloges. Me bash to xronodiagramma poy mas eipate eseis meta to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai isxyrizontai kai polla stelexh-melh toy PASOK, melh ths kybernhshs, ayta peripoy ypologizontai mexri tis 20 Martioy na exoyn teleiwsei kai na exoyn elqei pros chfish sth Boylh. Mporei omws na exoyn kai ekkremothtes akomh. 'Ara, poios qa parei thn apofash oti ``teleiwsame, chfisame, pame na dialysoyme th Boylh gia ekloges''; H syskech arxhgwn; O k. Papadhmos poy qa pei ``exw kai alles ekkremothtes'';

KACHS: Einai mia ypoqetikh erwthsh. Ti ekkremothtes; Prokeitai gia mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia poy qa oloklhrwqei me thn ypografh ths daneiakhs symbashs.

MIXAHL: Nai, alla h antallagh twn omologwn kai olo ayto to pragma me tis prokataboles.

KACHS: Ayto qa exei prohghqei.

MIXAHL: Oxi mono. Qa synexisqei piqanon kai mexri ton Ioynio, lene oi texnokrates. Dioti mporei na mhn exoyme prolabei na teleiwsoyme, me oloys toys omologioyxoys.

KACHS: H symmetoxh, omws, qa exei oloklhrwqei, fantazomai. Einai mia ypoqetikh erwthsh, poy de gnwrizw thn apanthsh ths. Alla oi diastaseis toy ergoy einai safeis.

MOYRELATOY: H hmera ths yperchfishs sth Boylh einai h teleytaia hmera ths kybernhshs; Giati h N.D. qewrei oti h hmera poy qa chfistei sth Boylh, h teleytaia hmera poy qa chfistei epi toy synoloy, epi twn arqrwn ayto to nomosxedio poy qa elqei, to neo mnhmonio, thn epomenh prepei na dialyqei h Boylh. Orioqeteitai apo thn kybernhsh etsi, oti ayth einai...

KACHS: Qa to doyme tote, ekeinh th stigmh. Otan qa exei oloklhrwqei to ergo. Twra, prospaqoyme na ``paijoyme'' me hmeres. Edw h oysia einai oti otan qa oloklhrwqei ayto to ergo, qa pame amesws se ekloges. Den qa yparjei kaqysterhsh. Twra, ean milame gia mia hmera parapanw, qa to doyme otan qa elqei h wra.

MOSXOBAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den milame mono gia hmeres. Epta kybernhtika stelexh poy proerxontai apo to PASOK, anaplhrwtes ypoyrgoi kai yfypoyrgoi, proxqes, se dhlwsh toys milhsan gia paratash ths kybernhshs Papadhmoy mexri to peras ths tetraetias ths arxikhs, dhladh, to 2013. Ypoqetw oti ayto yponoei kai apo to reportaz, oti akomh kai an xalasei h symfwnia twn triwn kommatwn, mporei na epelqei symfwnia me alla kommata, ef oson yparxei h dedhlwmenh na synexisei h kybernhsh Papadhmoy. Pws to antimetwpizei ayto h kybernhsh;

KACHS: Den exw na kanw kapoio sxolio. Ayth th stigmh, ayth h kybernhsh sthrizetai sta tria kommata. An yparjei alloy typoy symfwnia, ayto einai qema twn kommatwn na to apofasisoyn metajy toys. Alla gia thn kybernhsh isxyei h arxikh symfwnia.

ZORMPA: Qelw na epanelqw sthn apanthsh poy dwsate ston synadelfo. Xarakthrisate paranohsh thn olh kritikh poy askeitai sthn kybernhsh, oti den symmetexei epi ths oysias sthn diapragmateysh h den exei kokkines grammes, den exei protaseis. Mporeite na moy analysete ayth thn paranohsh; Se ti synistatai ayth h paranohsh; Dhladh h kybernhsh exei kokkines grammes tis opoies xarin ths diapragmateyshs den qelei na dhmosiopoihsei h exei protaseis oi opoies paramenoyn kryfes;

KACHS: H Ellada exei, ayth th stigmh, mia seira apo proteraiothtes, tis opoies prospaqoyme na yphrethsoyme. Mia seira proteraiothtes pantoy. Apo to anoigma twn epaggelmatwn, tis diarqrwtikes allages, th dhmosionomikh prosarmogh. Aytes einai oi qeseis ths Elladas, gia tis opoies ginetai mia syzhthsh me toys etairoys, gia na katalhjoyme sto teliko keimeno. Einai profanes oti ayto yparxei.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mesa s ayto to plaisio, peran twn sygkekrimenwn politikwn poy prepei na parqoyn, lambanete yp ocin kai to klima poy epikratei sthn koinwnia; Qelw na pw oti, as poyme, xqes, shmeiwqhke ena peristatiko - hdh doqhke kai to binteo- me mia epiqesh sthn kyria Mpakogiannh. H kybernhsh ektima oti...

KACHS: Einai allo pragma h epiqesh sthn kyria Mpakogiannh -h opoia einai katadikastea kai aparadekth kai xtypaei thn idia th leitoyrgia ths Dhmokratias- kai einai allo pragma to klima sthn koinwnia kai oi dyskolies poy exoyn oi polites, oi opoies asfalws apoteloyn enan basiko paragonta sth xarajh kybernhtikhs politikhs. Exei labei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies o Prwqypoyrgos kai asfalws h koinwnia paizei megalo rolo stis qeseis oi opoies diatypwnontai sth diarkeia twn syzhthsewn gia th daneiakh symbash.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Epeidh phgame sto koinwniko pedio: Epeidh exei lhjei h proqesmia gia ta eidopoihthria ths DEH, qa doyme diakopes reymatos se spitia; Dhladh, poia einai h stash ths kybernhshs;

KACHS: Yparxoyn sygkekrimenes probleceis gia na mhn ginontai diakopes reymatos se spitia, se noikokyria poy exoyn anagkh. H nomoqetikh ryqmish qa efarmostei me th megisth dynath koinwnikh eyaisqhsia.

MPEKA: 'Oson afora thn perikoph toy 13oy kai toy 14oy misqoy, thn prohgoymenh ebdomada eixa mia synanthsh, edw, sto kafeneio ths Boylhs me ena ychlobaqmo stelexos toy PASOK...

KACHS: Eseis;

MPEKA: Nai. Kai sth syzhthsh mas, moy eipe pws otan h troika eqese kapoia aithmata sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh, metajy aytwn htan o 13os kai o 14os misqos. Alla, ayto eteqh apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs ws adynamia. Dhladh, htan mia protash poy h idia h kybernhsh...

KACHS: Einai to reportaz sas. Den qa sxoliasw to reportaz sas. Den exw na pw tipota parapanw gi ayta ta zhthmata. 'O,ti afora thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, to exw pei.

FOYRLHS: Anaferate dyo-tria zhthmata, metajy twn opoiwn ``wrimanseis'', ta eidika misqologia, k.lp. kai eipate oti ayta einai paradeigmata enos katalogoy...

KACHS: Einai paradeigmata gia ton dialogo metajy twn etairwn.

FOYRLHS: Qematwn pros syzhthsh, poy prepei na ginei kata thn apoch ths troikas, wste na beltiwqei h antagwnistikothta ths Elladas. Mporeite na mas dieykrinisete, otan lete paradeigmata, ennoeite oti h troika eipe ``prepei na zhthsete ayta kai o,ti allo nomizete gia thn antagwnistikothta'' h ``apo ayta parte opoio qelete kai an nomizete''...

KACHS: Na jekinhsei enas dialogos me toys koinwnikoys etairoys me stoxo thn beltiwsh ths antagwnistikothtas ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai na antimetwpisei zhthmata opws ayta. Na parei qesh s ayta ta zhthmata ta opoia den einai - oyte ola h kapoia apo ayta ypoxrewtika, oyte apokleistika. Gi ayto ki emeis apo thn arxh eipame oti an oi koinwnikoi etairoi mporoyn na diamorfwsoyn qeseis tetoies poy mesa apo alloy typoy proseggiseis einai dynaton na diasfalisoyme beltiwsh sthn antagwnistikothta ths oikonomias, h piesh gia allages qa einai poly mikroterh. Kai gi ayto xreiazetai h oysiastikh symmetoxh olwn twn etairwn ston dialogo. Gia na mporesoyn na dwsoyn apanthseis s ayta ta zhthmata. Ean pate kai deite ta problhmata poy exoyn sthn prajh oi biomhxanies kai oi epixeirhseis, qa deite oti yparxoyn terastia periqwria gia symfwnies tetoies, poy na beltiwnoyn thn antagwnistikothta. H akomh kai gia symfwnies, oi opoies na exoyn mia antapodotikothta, to lew etsi. Dhladh, diasfalizeis qeseis ergasias, me ena kostos sygkekrimeno, gia ena sygkekrimeno diasthma. Yparxei periqwrio diapragmateyshs.

KWBAIOS: Mia dieykrinish: Otidhpote symfwnhqei metajy twn koinwnikwn etairwn, qa yioqethqei apo thn kybernhsh;

KACHS: 'O,ti bgei qa to doyme. H kybernhsh qa topoqethqei meta. Den gnwrizoyme ti qa symfwnhqei. Den mporw ek twn proterwn na exw qesh gi ayto.

KWBAIOS: Oxi, alla epeidh ginetai parapomph sth symfwnia twn koinwnikwn etairwn, ginetai kai ayto ypo ejetash, af otoy yparjei.

KACHS: Qa einai basikos paragontas stis qeseis poy qa parei h kybernhsh meta.

MPEKA: An oi koinwnikoi etairoi den dexqoyn se kanena paradeigma ap ayta poy leei h troika, yparxei ena sxedio b' apo thn kybernhsh;

KACHS: Ean exoyn alles protaseis, qa tis doyme me pollh prosoxh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Dyo pragmata: Prwton, ean meta tis ejelijeis toy Sabbatokyriakoy sto eqniko symboylio toy PASOK exei kleisei oristika to qema allagwn sthn kybernhsh kai deyteron, ean se aytes tis apaithseis ths troikas, perilambanontai kai apolyseis sto dhmosio kai ayto syzhtoyn sth synergasia toys o Prwqypoyrgos kai o k. Reppas. Giati o k. Reppas thn perasmenh ebdomada sth Boylh eixe pei oti h efedreia ekleise pia ton kyklo ths.

KACHS: Gia to deytero, isxyei o,ti eipe o k. Reppas kai den exw yp ocin moy gia aithma apolysewn. Den to exw dei poyqena.

Twra, gia tis allages sthn kybernhsh, ayto einai pronomio toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Gnwrizete ean exei proteinei h kybernhsh h oi hgetes ths eyrwzwnhs kapoia ayjhsh toy paketoy toy deyteroy sxedioy diaswshs pros thn Ellada, peran twn 130 dis. eyrw;

KACHS: Den exw yp' ocin moy kati tetoio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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