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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 20 Ioynioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 338240477

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFING(200611)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 20 Ioynioy 2011

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

HLIA MOSIALO

Kalo meshmeri.

Qa hqela na sas eyxaristhsw gia th symmetoxh sas sthn prwth moy enhmerwsh. Eyelpistw na exoyme mia kalh, sygxronh kai epoikodomhtikh epikoinwnia. Perimenw thn kalopisth kai ajiopisth kritikh sas. Den perimenw na eiste filikoi pros thn kybernhsh, perimenw na exete kritikh diaqesh kai stash, alla pantote me bash thn tekmhriwsh kai thn ajiopistia. Ayto qa epidiwjw kai egw apo th dikh moy pleyra.

Me thn eykairia ths analhchs twn newn kaqhkontwn moy, qa hqela na eyxaristhsw ton Giwrgo Petalwth poy anelabe nea kaqhkonta ws yfypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs. Pisteyw oti o Giwrgos ylopoihse ena terastio ergo mesa se ejairetika dyskoles synqhkes. Diamorfwse thn arxikh epikoinwniakh politikh ths kybernhshs kai enhmerwse me ajiopisto tropo ton ellhniko lao.

Epishs, ek meroys toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs qa hqela na ekfrasw ta qerma mas syllyphthria sthn oikogeneia toy boyleyth toy KKE 'Aggeloy Tzekh, alla kai sto KKE. H Boylh qa einai ftwxoterh xwris ton 'Aggelo Tzekh. Yphrje enas entimos politikos, mia poly sobarh kai nhfalia fwnh, poy xwris dramatopoihseis kai yperboles - to tonizw ayto, giati to xreiazomaste olo kai perissotero kai entonotera ston politiko mas logo- metefere tis agwnies, ta erwthmata kai ta aithmata twn Ellhnwn ergazomenwn kai politwn. Gia mia akomh fora ta qerma mas syllyphthria sthn oikogeneia toy.

H xwra brisketai se mia para poly krisimh kamph. Oi diapragmateyseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, toy 'Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy, alla kai toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn briskontai se ejelijh me toys armodioys dieqneis Organismoys, thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, thn Eyrwpaikh Kentrikh Trapeza kai to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio, prokeimenoy na ejasfalisoyn thn pempth dosh toy daneioy. Oi diapragmateyseis aytes einai dyskoles kai entones kai synexizontai aytes tis hmeres sto Loyjemboyrgo kai tis Bryjelles kai qa synexistoyn me th Synodo Koryfhs sto telos ths ebdomados.

Parallhla, einai se ejelijh h koinoboyleytikh diadikasia gia thn chfo empistosynhs sth nea kybernhsh toy PASOK. Akoysthkan ta epixeirhmata ths prwths hmeras, opws ayta analyqhkan apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai toys arxhgoys twn ypoloipwn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs.

Sto shmeio ayto qa hqela na tonisw oti ayto to opoio qa mporoyse na parathrhsei kaqe Ellhnas poliths htan h diafora stashs metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. H stash toy Prwqypoyrgoy htan mia ypeyqynh stash, qetontas panw apo to kommatiko, to proswpiko kai to politiko symferon ths kybernhshs toy PASOK, ta symferonta ths meshs ellhnikhs oikogeneias, tis agwnies toy 'Ellhna polith, toy ellhnikoy laoy.

Mia ypeyqynh stash poy epidiwkei thn epilysh twn ameswn problhmatwn ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, dhladh ton ameso daneismo ths xwras, thn ejasfalish staqerothtas oson afora th dhmosionomikh politikh. Kai genikotera th staqerothta oson afora thn ejelijh ths oikonomikhs politikhs, oxi mono ths dikhs mas kybernhshs, alla kai se baqos xronoy.

Antiqeta, ayto poy eidame htan mia topoqethsh eswstrefhs, me gnwsta syndikalistika epixeirhmata, poy profanws apeyqynotan sto komma toy. O k. Samaras epeleje na mhn yperbei ta stena kommatika plaisia ths N.D., toys stenoys kommatikoys periorismoys poy toy epiballoyn oi eswkommatikes isorropies. Anti na arqrwsei enan gonimo logo, gia paradeigma, pws mporoyme na antimetwpisoyme ta baqytera aitia ths krishs poy antimetwpizei h ellhnikh koinwnia, pws mporoyme na symbaloyme oloi gia na bgoyme ap' ayth thn krish, xrhsimopoihse enan logo poy mallon eixe ws stoxo thn eswterikh politikh katanalwsh, para th dhmioyrgia enos plaisioy opoy qa mporoyse na ginei enas gonimos dialogos me antallagh apocewn, gia na mporesoyme na symfwnhsoyme sta basika kai ta megala. Ayta einai poy apasxoloyn ton ellhniko lao, kai oxi oi ``kokoromaxies'', oi xarakthrismoi kai oi yperboles.

Epishs, qa hqela na pw oti o Prwqypoyrgos me thn prwtoboylia toy na systaqei epitroph proswpikothtwn poy qa anakoinwqei tis epomenes hmeres kai qa syzhthsei to plaisio ths syntagmatikhs metarryqmishs, oson afora se prwth fash to idio to politiko systhma kai ta problhmata poy ayto antimetwpizei kai ayto einai ena aithma twn Ellhnwn politwn kai ths ellhnikhs koinwnias oi opoioi zhtoyn systhmatika na anoijoyme ayth th syzhthsh gia to politiko systhma. Mia syzhthsh poy yperbainei ta stena plaisia poy aforoyn th dhmosionomikh politikh kai th dhmosionomikh krish. To PASOK epanakta tis megales politikes prwtoboylies. Panta hmastan ena kinhma, mia kybernhsh poy eqete ta megala politika zhthmata se ayton ton topo, anoigoyme to qema toy politikoy systhmatos me enan orqologika domhmeno tropo, mia epitroph proswpikothtwn poy den qa ephreazetai apo emas. Qa einai mia eyrytath epitroph h opoia qa syllejei oles tis apoceis apo thn ellhnikh koinwnia, toys koinwnikoys foreis, thn koinwnia twn politwn, ta kommata, tis organwseis twn politwn kai qa tis systhmatopoihsei. Ton Septembrio qa anoijei eyrytatos dialogos me ola ta Mesa Enhmerwshs kai me to diadiktyo opoy oloi oi 'Ellhnes polites qa mporoyn na kataqetoyn tis apoceis toys kai edw einai o rolos ths energoy koinwnias twn politwn. Oi polites qa briskontai sthn prwtoporia ayths ths syzhthshs. Den qa einai mia klassika kommatikh syzhthsh, mia klassikh syzhthsh poy qa kateyqynetai apo to kybernwn komma, qa einai mia anoikth diadikasia. Den qa agnohsoyme - kai ayto einai to shmantikotero- toys qesmoys ths ellhnikhs Dhmokratias. Kai o kat' ejoxhn qesmos ths ellhnikhs Dhmokratias poy qa syzhthsei th syntagmatikh metarryqmish, einai to ellhniko Koinoboylio kai h armodia Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias.

Epomenws, mesa apo ektetamenh diaboyleysh - qa exei prohghqei h epitroph empeirognwmonwn kai proswpikothtwn me dieyrymenh synqesh kai oxi kommatikh - tonizw oti qa epidiwjoyme na einai oso to dynaton pio dieyrymenh h synqesh ayths ths epitrophs se sxesh me ta politika kai episthmonika xarakthristika ths. Akoloyqei ektetamenos dialogos me toys polites, erxetai to qema sthn armodia epitroph ths Boylhs opoy syzhtoyntai kai ta qemata ths syntagmatikhs metarryqmishs.

Den qa yparxoyn ekbiastika dilhmmata, den qa yparxei mia erwthsh, se kamia periptwsh, sto dhmochfisma poy qa akoloyqhsei entos toy fqinopwroy.

Epomenws, den kaqysteroyme th diadikasia, katanooyme tis agwnies twn politwn poy zhtoyn allages. Zhtoyn na allajoyme oloi.

O Prwqypoyrgos sthn omilia toy sth Boylh eipe oti oloi qa allajoyme mesa apo ayth th diadikasia. Alla qa allajoyme mesa apo mia dhmioyrgikh poreia poy qa dinei elpides ston ellhniko lao, den qa epanaferei th syzhthsh sta gnwsta epipeda ths kakomoirias, ths mizerias kai ths katastrofologias. Oi polites perimenoyn apo to politiko systhma na deijei qetika antanaklastika poy qa prowqoyn ta symferonta ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, twn Ellhnwn politwn kai qa antimetwpizoyn ta baqytera aitia ths krishs.

Ayto to opoio blepoyme twra, to elleimma kai to xreos einai ta symptwmata ths krishs. H krish exei para polla kai baqia aitia. Ena apo ayta einai to idio to politiko systhma. Kai anoigoyme ayth th megalh atzenta, ayth th megalh politikh syzhthsh.

Kai me aytes tis skeceis anamenw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, an se mia xwra ptwxeymenh o Prwqypoyrgos eixe sth diaqesh toy enan eidiko epi twn qematwn oikonomias ths ygeias, mias kai h ygeia einai mia apo tis xainoyses plhges aytoy toy kratoys. An eixe enan tetoio eidiko kai den ton ebaze sthn ygeia, alla ton ebaze Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo, poso petyxhmenh qa xarakthrizate oti einai ayth h epilogh;

MOSIALOS: Poly endiaferoysa h erwthsh sas. Alla pisteyw oti exoyme enan poly epityxhmeno ypoyrgo Ygeias me poly sobara apotelesmata mexri stigmhs. O k. Loberdos meiwse th dapanh sta nosokomeia, ston deytero xrono ths diakybernhshs toy PASOK, kata 10%. Katorqwse kai meiwse th farmakeytikh dapanh peripoy kata 1 dis eyrw. Ayta einai epiteygmata poy den mporei na ta amfisbhthsei kaneis. Kai kata th gnwmh moy, einai swsth h epilogh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Egw, sthn poreia moy toys teleytaioys 19 mhnes - fantazomai qa to exoyn dei oi 'Ellhnes polites kai kyriws oi dhmosiografoi - edeija oti den eimai mono enas eidikos epi twn oikonomikwn ths ygeias. 'Exw topoqethqei se mia eyrythta qematwn, apo to politiko systhma, thn oikonomikh politikh, toys qesmoys ayths ths xwras, ta kinhmata ayths ths xwras. Eimai pantote yper twn kinhmatwn kai ths koinwnias twn politwn. Den qewrw oti ena komma kat' ejoxhn kinhmatiko opws einai to PASOK qa prepei na fobatai ta kinhmata, alla qa prepei na einai mazi me ta kinhmata kai na akoyei tis agwnies kai ta erwthmata toys. Me ayth thn ennoia, o Prwqypoyrgos moy zhthse na analabw enan dyskolo rolo. Qa htan eykolo gia mena na ``kryftw'' ws anaplhrwths ypoyrgos ypo ton k. Loberdo, alla oi kairoi, oi dyskolies twn peristasewn kai to eqniko kaqhkon epitassei se oloys mas na strateyqoyme sthn prwth grammh kai na kanoyme to kaqhkon mas.

MPELEGRHS: Meta thn chfo empistosynhs sth Boylh, oson afora sto Mesoproqesmo, qa teqei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias;

MOSIALOS: Einai eyqynh olwn twn boyleytwn toy PA.SO.K. na sthrijoyn thn kybernhsh kai oloi qa prepei na analogistoyn tis eyqynes toys. Ayto mporw na pw.

XIDIROGLOY: Eipate molis oti eiste yper twn kinhmatwn kai toy na akoyei h kybernhsh tis agwnies toys. Akoyte tis agwnies twn aganaktismenwn; Blepete ti ginetai stis plateies;

MOSIALOS: Nomizw oti qa eprepe na eixate prosejei thn arxikh moy topoqethsh. Eipa oti akoyme tis agwnies kai ta erwthmata twn politwn kai gi` ayto pera apo th dhmosionomikh diaxeirish, pera apo thn amesh antimetwpish twn problhmatwn ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, alla kai kat` epektash ths meshs ellhnikhs oikogeneias, anoigoyme ta politika zhthmata ayths ths xwras me poly organwmeno kai orqologiko tropo. Anoigoyme th syntagmatikh metarryqmish. Einai ena aithma ths koinwnias twn politwn kai oxi monon twn aganaktismenwn toy Syntagmatos, alla kai allwn plateiwn stis prwteyoyses twn nomwn ths xwras. Einai aithma ths ellhnikhs koinwnias na allajei to politiko systhma. Kai ayto kanoyme: Anaktoyme me entono tropo tis politikes prwtoboylies.

SPANOY: Poia einai h epishmh qesh ths kybernhshs se sxesh me tis apolyseis sto dhmosio tomea; Einai ayth poy ejefrase o k. Pagkalos;

MOSIALOS: O k. Pagkalos ejefrase mia gnwmh poy exei ekfrastei apo polles alles pleyres ta teleytaia xronia. Den einai mono o k. Pagkalos poy exei ekfrasei ayth th gnwmh. Ayto, omws, to opoio qa hqela na pw, einai oti anoigei mia eyryterh syzhthsh gia th metarryqmish-allagh toy syntagmatos. Mesa sto plaisio ayths ths syzhthshs kai ayth h apoch kai alles apoceis gia thn anadiarqrwsh toy dhmosioy tomea, profanws qa syzhthqoyn. Alla, qa syzhthqoyn ws apoceis mesa sto plaisio ths syntagmatikhs metarryqmishs, xwris prokateilhmmenes apofaseis. Me thn eykairia, qa hqela na tonisw oti h anadiarqrwsh toy dhmosioy tomea einai ena megalo stoixhma oxi mono gi` ayth thn kybernhsh, alla synolikotera gia thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Exoyme ena megalo kai anapotelesmatiko kratos Oso megalwne to ellhniko dhmosio, toso pio dysleitoyrgiko ginotan. Me ayth thn ennoia, h epidiwjh prwta kai kyria ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai h anadiarqrwsh twn domwn toy kratoys, h megalyterh apotelesmatikothta, h ajiologhsh twn apotelesmatwn, h metrhsh twn apotelesmatwn kai h beltiwsh twn yphresiwn. Aytes einai oi prwtes proteraiothtes ths kybernhshs.

GIANNISHS: Eipate prohgoymenws, kyrie Ekproswpe, se o,ti afora to an qa chfisei h oxi to mesoproqesmo oti o kaqenas na analabei tis eyqynes toy. Mesa sthn analhch ayths ths eyqynhs shmainei oti kapoios o opoios den to chfizei qetei aytomatws eayton ektos PA.SO.K., ektos Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy kybernwntos kommatos;

MOSIALOS: Den dinw apanthseis se ypoqetikes katastaseis. Ayth th stigmh den tiqetai tetoio qema.

ROYBINETHS: Kalws hrqate.

MOSIALOS: Eyxaristw.

ROYBINETHS: Kai epishmainw thn idiaiterh agwnia sas, ayth h agwnia poy polles fores apo edw eixe metabibastei sto Giwrgo Petalwth, poy prospaqoyse para poly - opws eipate- na wraiopoihsei merika pragmata...

MOSIALOS: Den milhsa gia wraiopoihseis.

ROYBINETHS: En pash periptwsei na mporesei na antimetwpisei ola ayta, alla den eixe th dynatothta na ta metabibasei fainetai ston Prwqypoyrgo, o opoios qa eixe labei metra. Eseis exete kapoia tetoia strathgikh; Mporei na epishmainete ti leei h agwnia twn syntaktwn poy blepoyn thn agwnia ths plateias kai qeloyn na prolaboyn ta pragmata;

MOSIALOS: Einai aytonohto. Profanws kai qa ginei.

PAPADHMAS: Ti erxetai na syzhthsei me thn ellhnikh kybernhsh h troika, ektaktws, tis epomenes hmeres kai se ti epipedo qa ekproswphqei;

MOSIALOS: H apostolh poy ginetai einai se epipedo texnikhs grammateias. Den einai se anwtero epipedo. Htan programmatismenh kai prokeitai na syzhthsoyme apo oikonomotexnikh apoch tis diorqwtikes parembaseis h tis prosarmoges poy ginontai mesw ths koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias. Tipote allo. Den tiqetai se amfisbhthsh h diadikasia toy programmatos poy exoyme h toy mesoproqesmoy programmatos. Qa syzhthsoyn apla texnika, oikonomika zhthmata.

MOYRELATOY: Zhtate apo ton k. Samara synainesh; Ekeinos xqes sth Boylh eipe oti ``kybernhste, den sas exw sterhsei egw ayth th dynatothta, me ta splaxna toy PA.SO.K. kai th GENOP-DEH poy mallon sas empodizei, ti qa kanete;

MOSIALOS: Otan lete, ti qa kanoyme, ti ennoeite; H kybernhsh exei mia safh politikh sta qemata ths DEH. Gnwrizete oti qa yparjei mia meiwsh toy posostoy ths kratikhs symmetoxhs sth Dhmosia Epixeirhsh Hlektrismoy kata 17%. Par' ola ayta, to dhmosio qa synexisei na elegxei to 34% twn metoxwn, me o,ti ayto synepagetai sth diamorfwsh toy dioikhtikoy plaisioy ths DEH. Ayth einai h apofash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy kai ayth thn apofash qa akoloyqhsoyme.

MOYRELATOY: Kai phgainei mexri teloys;

MOSIALOS: Eipa poia einai h apofash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Ayth thn apofash qa akoloyqhsoyme. Taytoxrona, kaloyme to swmateio twn ergazomenwn ths DEH - anagnwrizontas to dikaiwma twn ergazomenwn se apergies, einai anafaireto to dikaiwma twn ergazomenwn se apergies - na analogistoyn tis eyqynes toys apenanti ston ellhniko lao.

SEGKOS: Afoy o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh endiaferontai na akoysoyn th gnwmh toy ellhnikoy laoy, giati proxwroyn se mia kinhsh poy ginetai ek toy asfaloys, opws einai to dhmochfisma kai den yioqetoyn th qesh olwn twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs gia ekloges me to idio diakybeyma;

MOSIALOS: Giati ta baqytera problhmata ths ellhnikhs oikonomias yperbainoyn thn eklogikh diadikasia. Ayth einai mia baqytath dhmokratikh diadikasia. Oi ekloges qa dhmioyrghsoyn mia poly megalh anastatwsh sth xwra, idiaitera se mia periodo poy ap` o,ti fainetai yparxoyn en ejelijei shmantikes eyrwpaikes diergasies syzhthshs kai epilyshs toy ellhnikoy oikonomikoy problhmatos, alla kai diamorfwshs ths oikonomikhs diakybernhshs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Nomizw oti einai proklhtiko na zhta kaneis ekloges, ayth thn periodo, otan to diakybeyma kai gia thn Ellada kai gia thn Eyrwph einai toso megalo. Aytos poy zhtaei ekloges ayth thn periodo, den exei mallon epignwsh kai toy ellhnikoy problhmatos h mallon exei kai den to anagnwrizei dhmosia, alla kai toy shmantikoy eyrwpaikoy diakybeymatos. To na zhtaei kaneis ekloges twra, einai mia aneyqynh stash.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, fantazomai, eidate kai eseis, opws kai emeis to prwtoselido, alla kai to periexomeno toy periodikoy SPIEGEL. Exete kapoio sxolio;

MOSIALOS: Ennoeite, to ti qa symbei me to eyrw; Profanws, den symfwnoyme me ta dhmosieymata toy jenoy Typoy, idiaitera otan einai toso ypotimhtika gia thn Ellhnikh Dhmokratia. Ayto to opoio qa hqela na sas pw, einai oti perysi eixame 24.000 arnhtika dhmosieymata sto dieqnh Typo. Aytos einai enas poly megalos ariqmos kai katalabainete to poly dyskolo ergo poy exoyme, na proballoyme tis ellhnikes apoceis sta dieqnh Mesa Mazikhs Enhmerwshs. Exei ginei mia ejairetikh doyleia apo to Basilh Papadhmhtrioy o opoios pareyrisketai sthn aiqoysa kai me ton opoio qa synergastoyme entona sto epomeno diasthma. Enas apo toys roloys poy qa exw ws ypoyrgos Epikrateias qa einai kai oi sxeseis mas me ta dieqnh Mesa Enhmerwshs, tis thleoraseis, tis megales dieqneis efhmerides, alla kai tis shmantikes efhmerides kai ta MME twn xwrwn ths eyrwzwnhs, alla kai allwn shmantikwn xwrwn, opws oi H.P.A., o Kanadas, h Aystralia, h Iapwnia, h Rwsia, alla kai h geitonikh mas Toyrkia, poy exoyn ena shmantiko rolo sta dieqnh drwmena.

STRATAKHS: Mhpws gi` ayto to logo o k. Samaras sas kathgorhse sth Boylh oti prowqeite tetoia dhmosieymata ston eyrwpaiko Typo;

MOSIALOS: Nomizw oti janarxisame pali tis gnwstes qewries peri synwmosias. Yphrxe ena dhmosieyma se gallikh efhmerida. Emeis den symmerizomaste to ti grafei o jenos Typos gia ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Emeis qeloyme na prostateysoyme ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, apo to na diaprattei astoxies otan bgainei sto ejwteriko. Kai giati milaw gia astoxies; Arkei na dei kaneis to ti grafei o dieqnhs Typos gia thn politikh kai tis dhlwseis ths N.D.

Kai moy dinete thn eykairia na kanw mia anaskophsh toy dieqnoys Typoy. Epanalambanw, oti den yioqetoyme aytes tis apoceis, aplws sas tis ypenqymizw: Dhlwseis Mparozo, apanthsh se Koymoytsako, sto Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio, 7/6/2011. ``Ta odynhra metra einai aparaithta kai opoios presbeyei to antiqeto ceydetai pros ton ellhniko lao''.

Entmoynt Stoimpler, Germanos synthrhtikos politikos ``H N.D. ferei megalh eyqynh gia thn oikonomikh katantia ths Elladas''. Qa mporoysa na synexisw, alla emeis ws kybernhsh qeloyme na prostateyoyme thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh. Den symmerizomaste ta dhmosieymata enantion ths. Qa hqela, aplws, na ta sygkrinete me ta 24.000 arnhtika dhmosieymata enantion ths Elladas perysi. Na dhmioyrgoyme toso megales eyqijies kai synwmosiologies apo ena dhmosieyma, ti na pei kaneis; Mallon den exei thn aisqhsh toy megeqoys toy problhmatos. O k. Samaras leitoyrgei ws topikos arxhgos, ws arxhgos enos kommatos poy den exei eyrwpaikh kai eqnikh embeleia kai oxi ws sygxronos Eyrwpaios hgeths, mias sygxronhs eyrwpaikhs xwras. Ayto kanei.

MOSXOBAS: Profanws eiste apo aytoys poy epikrotoyn to synqhma toy Giwrgoy Papandreoy oti eimaste antiejoysiastes sthn ejoysia. An krinw kai apo to politiko sas parelqon, exw akoysei apo shmerino boyleyth oti hsastan lampros kaqodhghths toy ``Rhga Feraioy'' se kapoioys tote. Qelw na rwthsw, afoy exete ayth thn eyaisqhsia kai thn politikh poreia poy periegraca, pws mporei na peisei to kybernwn komma me thn allagh, aplws, hgesias sto oikonomiko epiteleio, oti to mesoproqesmo programma mporei na bainei beltioymeno. Poio einai to kyriarxo, kata th gnwmh toy neoy ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn, k. Benizeloy, poy qa prepei na epikrathsei, wste na allajei to migma oikonomikhs politikhs;

MOSIALOS: Emeis milhsame gia beltiwseis kai prosarmoges kai panta qa epidiwkoyme beltiwseis kai prosarmoges sthn politikh mas, genikotera, prwta kai kyria, akoygontas tis anhsyxies ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, twn Ellhnwn politwn, alla kai twn boyleytwn toy Ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy. Den milhsame gia allagh sto migma ths oikonomikhs politikhs. Qa epidiwkoyme, omws, tis synqeseis, tis beltiwseis kai tis prosarmoges. Ayto to jekinhsame hdh apo thn arxh ths kybernhtikhs mas qhteias. Kai den to ennoiopoioyme monon oson afora sto mesoproqesmo. Hmastan aytoi poy panta diapragmateyomastan toys oroys toy idioy toy mnhmonioy.

MOSXOBAS: Pio sygkekrimena egw hqela, me thn ennoia oti o k. Benizelos exei kataqesei polles fores kai sta Ypoyrgika Symboylia atypa kai mh, sygkekrimenes protaseis, platformes, poy malista kapoies ap` aytes eixan enoxlhsei kai to tote oikonomiko epiteleio. Qa tis efarmosei kai poies qa einai oi nees proteraiothtes toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy;

MOSIALOS: Tis nees proteraiothtes toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy, qa tis akoysete apo ton armodio ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn. Egw ayto poy qelw na tonisw, einai oti h kybernhtikh politikh einai eniaia. Den einai politikh toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn. Einai kybernhtikh politikh. H kybernhtikh politikh exei diamorfwqei. Oi dhmosionomikoi stoxoi ths einai sygkekrimenoi. Ayto poy mporei na ginei, einai beltiwseis kai prosarmoges, mesa sto plaisio twn genikoterwn stoxwn, xwris na yponomeyetai h makrooikonomikh staqerothta kai h poreia ths xwras.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h metamesonyxtia anakoinwsh toy Eurogroup xqes, to opoio synexizetai kai shmera, metajy allwn, epanaferei to qema ths synaineshs metajy twn politikwn kommatwn. To qewrei, peripoy, ws proapaitoymeno kai ths epityxias toy programmatos, alla kai toy mesoproqesmoy poy exoyme mprosta mas. Egw qelw na rwthsw kai se eyqeia synarthsh me to xqesino klima sth Boylh, an yparxoyn periqwria synaineshs metajy twn dyo megalwn kommatwn, as poyme, kai an protiqetai o Prwqypoyrgos sto amesws prosexes diasthma na analabei analoges me toy prosfatoy parelqontos prwtoboylies pros ayth thn kateyqynsh.

MOSIALOS: Sas eyxaristw gia thn erwthsh, qa hqela, omws, na dieykrinisw to ejhs: Ayth th stigmh, den mas endiaferei to ti ypodeijeis kanei to Eurogroup h ti ypodeijeis kanoyn oi ejwterikoi paragontes. Kai qa sas pw to giati kai isws, sas einai xrhsimo ws ena baqmo. Th synainesh, prwta kai kyria, prepei na thn epidiwjoyme emeis, kai oxi kaq` ypodeijh. Prepei na thn epidiwkoyme emeis systhmatika, to ellhniko politiko systhma. Kai prepei na thn epidiwkei to ellhniko politiko systhma, etsi wste na exei mia pio isxyrh fwnh sta eyrwpaika tektainomena kai stis synexeis diapragmateyseis poy kanoyme me toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys kai toys dieqneis organismoys. Apo ekei kai pera, nomizw oti hmoyn poly safhs. Anoigoyme ena poly megalo qema syntagmatikhs metarryqmishs sth xwra mas. Kai qa to anoijoyme me ejairetika synainetikoys tropoys, xwris ekbiastika dilhmmata. Kai aytos einai enas dromos ston opoio qa yparxei pedio megalhs synennohshs me thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh kai ta loipa kommata ths antipoliteyshs.

PITTARAS: Epeidh exoyn symbei para polla tis teleytaies hmeres, alla yparxei ena keno ws epishmh apanthsh s` ayto poy egine gyrw apo to thlefwnhma toy k. Papandreoy me ton k. Samara, estw an qelete na yparxei katagegrammenh apanthsh gia ton istoriko toy mellontos. Mporeite na mas epibebaiwsete h na mas diaceysete oti se ekeino to thlefwnhma o k. Papandreoy efyge kai gyrise ws Prwqypoyrgos. Dhladh, eixe paraithqei kai mesolabhsan thlefwnhmata, enstaseis h opws alliws qelete na to peite, koryfaiwn ypoyrgwn, poy prospaqhsan na ton metapeisoyn apo ayth thn jafnikh apofash toy oti parenebh, opws exei grafei, kai proswpo toy syggenikoy toy periballontos gia na ton epanaferei sthn Prwqypoyrgia; Mporeite na mas peite mia epishmh ekdoxh;

MOSIALOS: Einai poly wraies istories aytes, alla den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn oysia ths politikhs. H oysia ths politikhs kai oles oi alhqeies eipwqhkan apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, xqes sth Boylh. Qa sas zhthsw na anatrejete sta praktika ths Boylhs. Ayto to qema gia emas exei kleisei. Yparxei kybernhsh, qa proxwrhsei kai qa ylopoiei to programma ths me apofasistikothta kai apotelesmatikothta.

MPEKA: Kalh arxh kai apo mena. O k. Papandreoy thn paramonh poy anhggeile thn emplokh ths troikas sto Kastelorizo eixe mazecei ypoyrgoys kai synergates kai toys eixe deijei enan pinaka, treis enallaktikes lyseis gia to mellon ths xwras. H prwth lysh htan h ptwxeysh, h deyterh lysh htan h ejodos apo to eyrw kai h trith htan h troika. Oloi mazi, apofasisan thn troika, thn trith lysh. Mhpws o Prwqypoyrgos ypotima th nohmosynh mas; Kai giati to lew ayto; Sas ypenqymizw oti to Noembrio toy 2009 eixe ypogeies epafes me ton Stros-Kan kai to DNT. Kai ton Ianoyario eixe hdh perilabei th synomilia toy gia to mhxanismo sthrijhs. Na anaferw kai th dhlwsh toy k. Saxinidh, oti apo thn epomenh twn eklogwn to DNT htan hdh epilogh. Ara, htan h den htan proeilhmmenh apofash;

MOSIALOS: Epitrecte moy na sas ypenqymisw tis treis enallaktikes lyseis, giati einai xrhsimo na tis ypenqymizoyme, prwta kai kyria, stoys Ellhnes polites. O Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, ypenqymise tis enallaktikes lyseis sthn prwtomilia toy sth Boylh. H mia einai ptwxeysh kai stash plhrwmwn. H deyterh einai h ejodos apo to eyrw. Kai oi dyo qa exoyn katastrofika apotelesmata gia toys Ellhnes polites poy agwnioyn, th mesh ellhnikh oikogeneia. Den qa yparxoyn xrhmata na plhrwsoyme misqoys kai syntajeis. Qa einai katastrofh gia to ellhniko trapeziko systhma kai katastrofh gia to ellhniko asfalistiko systhma, kaqoti diaqetoyn ena poly megalo meros twn omologwn toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. Epomenws, emeis apofasisame na yioqethsoyme ena dromo diejodoy. To mnhmonio einai ena meros aytoy toy dromoy ths diejodoy ths ellhnikhs oikonomias apo ta adiejoda sta opoia eixe perielqei. Den einai, omws, mono to mnhmonio to opoio exoyme epilejei. Qa sas ypenqymisw oti yparxoyn se ejelijh megales diarqrwtikes allages. Diarqrwtikes allages sthn ygeia, sthn paideia, kai sto dhmosio tomea. Diarqrwtikes allages poy aforoyn sthn anamorfwsh toy koinwnikoy kratoys, ston ejorqologismo twn epidomatwn. Kai ta tonizw ayta, giati einai qemata poy synhqws paragrafoyme sto dhmosio dialogo. Frontizoyme na epikentrwnomaste mono stoys dhmosionomikoys stoxoys, opws aytoi kaqorizontai eite sto mnhmonio, eite sto mesoproqesmo programma. Apo ekei kai pera, profanws yphrxan dhmosionomika problhmata kai panta kaqe kybernhsh kanei tis dikes ths oikonomotexnikes epejergasies, idiaitera otan klhronomei mia toso dyskolh katastash sthn ellhnikh oikonomia.

Ypenqymizw: H N.D. ston teleytaio ths proypologismo, eixe problecei elleimma 2%. Anaqewrhqhke ligoys mhnes prin tis ekloges, sto 6% toy AEP. Ti paralabame; Elleimma ycoys 15,5% toy AEP, to megalytero poy exei yparjei se xwra ths eyrwzwnhs. Mia wrologiakh bomba. Mia apeilh katastrofhs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai twn eisodhmatwn twn Ellhnwn politwn. Ti eprepe na kanoyme; Na ejetasoyme oles tis enallaktikes lyseis. Yphrxe sthmeno paixnidi oti qa phgainame sto DNT; Giati, ligo poly, ayto me rwtate. O Prwqypoyrgos apanthse xqes sth Boylh, me poly rhto kai kathgorhmatiko tropo. To megalytero poso poy exei daneisei pote to DNT sthn istoria toy, htan sthn Brazilia kai ayto htan 30 dis dolaria, poly ligotero, dhladh, apo 30 dis eyrw. Na sas ypenqymisw tis daneiakes anagkes ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias ton Maio toy 2011; Htan 110 dis eyrw. Den yphrxe kamia periptwsh na yphrxe apokleistikh prosfygh sto DNT.

PIKOYLAS: Kalh arxh kai apo mena. 'Hqela na rwthsw oti thn prohgoymenh ebdomada eidame ena paratetameno klima politikhs astaqeias kai opws ebgainan oi eyrwpaioi hgetes kai to DNT kai elegan oti einai sigoyrh h pempth kai h ekth dosh kai twra, meta to xqesino Eurogroup, lene oti to mesoproqesmo einai proypoqesh gia na ektamieyqei h pempth dosh. To ypoyrgeio Epikrateias kai kat' epektash h kybernhsh den prepei na parembei s' ayta ta ``hjeis afijeis'' twn Eyrwpaiwn;

MOSIALOS: Nomizete oti mporei to ypoyrgeio Epikrateias na ephreazei tis kybernhtikes apofaseis sto Berolino, sto Parisi, sth Stokxolmh;

PIKOYLAS: Mporei na ephreazei ta dhmosieymata;

MOSIALOS: Epishs, nomizete oti mporw na sas ephreasw egw gia to ti qa gracete; Mallon oxi. Afoy den mporw na ephreasw esas, se eswteriko epipedo, mporw na ephreasw toys  FINANCIAL TIMES sto ti qa grafoyn; Emeis qa kanoyme th doyleia mas. Ta dieqnh Mesa Mazikhs Enhmerwshs exoyn tis dikes toys proteraiothtes kai prodiagrafes. Emeis qeloyme na exoyme mia entimh sxesh mazi toys. H ellhnikh kybernhsh antidra se apofaseis poy pairnoyn oi dieqneis Organismoi kai ta qespismena organa

ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs. Den antidroyme se dhmosieymata poy ayjanoyn tis prosdokies.

LASKARATOS: Kalh arxh kai apo mena, kyrie Ekproswpe.

MOSIALOS: Sas eyxaristw.

LASKARATOS: O k. Papakwnstantinoy se mia apo tis teleytaies toy synenteyjeis eixe pei oti den einai to diko moy proswpo to opoio dhmioyrgei thn politikh kai akomh ki an fygw egw kai erqei kapoios allos, den qa allajoyn polla pragmata, den qa allajei tipota, giati yparxei mia sygkekrimenh politikh. Twra h kybernhsh mila gia beltiwseis, mila gia prosarmoges. Ayto einai mia dynatothta, einai kati efikto h einai mia prospaqeia na dhmioyrghqei ena allo klima h estw enas eysebhs poqos;

MOSIALOS: Sto plaisio twn qespismenwn makrooikonomikwn stoxwn kai ths dhmosionomikhs politikhs, pantote epidiwkoyme synqeseis, prosarmoges kai beltiwseis. Ayto to kaname apo thn arxh ths kybernhtikhs qhteias mas. Kai sas edwsa sygkekrimena paradeigmata:
-Ton Martio poy mas perase den petyxame thn epimhkynsh toy daneioy, twn daneiakwn ypoxrewsewn mas, poy prokyptoyn mesw toy mnhmonioy, apo tria se epta xronia; Me terastio ofelos anasas gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia metajy toy 2013 kai toy 2015, se sxesh me thn apoplhrwmh twn tokwn. Ayto einai poly megalo kai poly shmantiko gia ekeinh th xronikh periodo.
-Petyxame epishs kai th meiwsh twn epitokiwn, poy metafrazetai se kerdos kai ofelos gia ton ellhniko lao, ycoys 6 dis eyrw.
-Apofygame na katarghqei o 13os kai o 14os misqos ston idiwtiko tomea.
-Apofygame to na entaxqoyn to 30% twn proiontwn ston ychlo forologiko syntelesth toy FPA.

Qa mporoysa na sas dwsw kai alla paradeigmata. Einai mia synexhs diapragmateysh. Einai mia synexhs poreia diapragmateyshs, emeis thn kanoyme sthn prajh, oxi qewrhtika, ayta poy leei o k. Samaras. Emeis kanoyme th diapragmateysh sthn prajh. O k. Samaras thn kanei me to komma toy mallon.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh mas paroysiasate en pollois ton tropo ton opoio qa akoloyqhsete mexri to dhmochfisma, apo th stigmh poy qa systaqei h epitroph twn 25 atomwn. 'Hqela kapoia diadikastika qemata, opws pote qa einai etoimh ayth h epitroph, poios qa epilejei kai me poia krithria th synqesh ths, poios qa einai o epikefalhs ths Epitrophs Diafaneias kai Qesmwn, ef' oson exei ypoyrgopoihqei o k. Papaiwannoy. An ayto einai eykolo kai me ti orizonta mexri to dhmochfisma;

MOSIALOS: O epikefalhs ths Epitrophs Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs den einai qema ths kybernhshs, opws katalabainete. Einai qema twn diadikasiwn toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy, opote na apeyqynete thn erwthsh sto ellhniko Koinoboylio. Den einai qema Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy h topoqethsh toy epikefalhs ths Epitrophs Qesmwn kai Diafaneias.

Apo ekei kai pera, oson afora tis diadikasies ths Epitrophs, aytes qa anakoinwqoyn thn epomenh ebdomada apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo: Kai o epikefalhs kai h synqesh. Epishmainw qa einai eyryterwn diastasewn kai oxi monokommatikhs yfhs.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei qema arshs ths monimothtas sto dhmosio gia thn kybernhsh h kai apolysewn ston dhmosio tomea; Kai kati akoma epiprosqeto: Ayta poy lete oti qa parembete gia na anastrecete th mayrh eikona poy kalliergeitai sta dieqnh MME, me ti mesa qa to kanete;

MOSIALOS: Na jekinhsw apo thn prwth erwthsh: 'Exw hdh apanthsei. Yparxoyn para polles apoceis kai protaseis, oson afora th monimothta twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. H monimothta twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn einai syntagmatika katoxyrwmenh. Kai aytes oi apoceis, oi eishghseis, oi protaseis poy den proerxontai mono apo to politiko systhma, proerxontai epishs kai apo thn ellhnikh koinwnia, einai aithmata kai twn Ellhnwn politwn. Oxi oi apolyseis, genika h anadiarqrwsh toy dhmosioy tomea. Apotelei aithma ths ellhnikhs koinwnias na exoyme ena pio filiko, pio apotelesmatiko, pio leitoyrgiko dhmosio tomea, pio konta stis anagkes, stis agwnies twn Ellhnwn politwn kai ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, xwris grafeiokratika empodia, xwris to grhgoroshmo, xwris to fakelaki sto systhma ygeias. Kai edw qa moy epitrecete mia parenqesh: Ekei qa hqela na dw egw polla kinhmata enantia sto fakelaki, enantia sto grhgoroshmo, enantia sthn ayqairesia toy kratoys. Na ginoyn ayta.

Epanerxomai: Sth syzhthsh peri syntagmatikhs anaqewrhshs qa teqoyn ayta ta erwthmata. Den tiqentai twra. Einai akairh ayth h syzhthsh.

Epitrecte moy twra na apanthsw sto deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas: Kyrie Gargalako, sas eipa ej arxhs oti den exoyme ychles prosdokies ws pros ton rolo twn dieqnwn MME. Ta MME exoyn tis dikes toys prodiagrafes, toso ta egxwria, oso kai ta dieqnh. Oyte o rolos kaqe politikhs ejoysias einai na epiballei sta MME tis apoceis ths. Kai me sas, alla kai me ta dieqnh MME epidiwkoyme enan gonimo kai dhmioyrgiko dialogo. Egw proswpika protimw na yparxoyn epikritika Mesa, apo to na yparxoyn kaqodhgoymena Mesa. Protimw ta epikritika Mesa, oxi ta sthmena Mesa. Kai me ayth thn ennoia, den bazoyme ton phxy chla, jeroyme to ti exoyme na antimetwpisoyme. Qa organwsoyme, omws, th doyleia mas me systhmatiko tropo. Qa synantiomaste me toys antapokrites twn jenwn efhmeridwn kai twn jenwn MME poy einai sthn Ellada, alla qa phgainoyme ki emeis na syzhtame to ti exei kanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh, poio einai to programma ths kai na anadeiknyoyme to synolo ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, twn epityxiwn ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, to eyros ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, etsi wste na mhn epikentrwnetai h eidhseografia twn dieqnwn MME mono sto kat' ejoxhn problhma toy elleimmatos kai toy xreoys. Na sas dwsw ena paradeigma: Thn prohgoymenh ebdomada synanthqhka me antiproswpeia ths Gallikhs Geroysias kai den htan h prwth fora poy eblepa politikoys apo alles xwres. Eixame mia eyrytath syzhthsh gia to kybernhtiko programma. Den rwthsan mono gia ta elleimmata kai to xreos kai gia thn apeilh xreokopias. Milhsame kai gia to asfalistiko. Kai otan toys eipa oti eimaste mia apo tis liges xwres - kai ayto den to jerei oyte h ka Merkel paradojws, giati den exei epikoinwnhqei mexri stigmhs sthn ka Merkel - poy exei syndesei to prosdokimo zwhs me thn hlikia syntajiodothshs kai ayto prokeitai na arxisei to 2020 mesa sto plaisio ths apotelesmatikoterhs leitoyrgias toy asfalistikoy systhmatos, poy ayth einai kai h tash stis perissoteres eyrwpaikes xwres, ligo-poly petaxthkan apo thn karekla toys kai eipan  revolution , oti an ayto to pragma eixe ginei sth Gallia, qa eixan pesei deka kybernhseis, oxi mia. Otan toys eipa oti balame th basikh syntajh -thn opoia qa pairnoyn oloi oi 'Ellhnes polites- kai thn antapodotikh syntajh, h opoia syndeetai me bash to ti exeis plhrwsei ws eisfores ergazomenwn kai ergodotwn, janapetaxthkan apo thn karekla toys kai eipan  revolution .

Synepws, exoyme parei metra gia ton ejorqologismo toy asfalistikoy systhmatos, poy qa dhmioyrghsoyn ena apo ta pio antagwnistika systhmata asfalishs, apo apoch dhmosionomikhs prosarmoghs kai staqerothtas, ta epomena 40 me 50 xronia. Kai ayto den einai gnwsto sthn Eyrwph, giati to ellhniko problhma epikentrwnetai mono sto elleimma kai sto xreos, sta amesa apotelesmata. To diko mas asfalistiko, ta epomena deka xronia, qa einai ena apo ta tria-tessera pio antagwnistika sthn Eyrwph. Kai ayto qa exei poly shmantikes epiptwseis kai gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Giati; Dioti to asfalistiko kai oi eisfores twn ergodotwn kai twn ergazomenwn epibarynoyn to kostos ergasias. Ef' oson emeis sygkratoyme to kostos ergasias, mesw enos pio antapodotikoy asfalistikoy systhmatos, epitygxanoyme megalyteroys ryqmoys anaptyjhs s' ayth th xwra.

Ayth einai h doyleia poy qeloyme na kanoyme se dieqnes epipedo: Na ejhgoyme sta dieqnh MME to ti pragmatika kanoyme s' ena eyrytero pedio kybernhtikhs politikhs. Den exw megales prosdokies, an qelete na eimai eilikrinhs. Ayto poy perimenw einai poy kai poy na akoygetai kai h ellhnikh fwnh ligo pio entona ap' o,ti akoygetai twra.

MIXAHL: Mas perigracate ton tropo me ton opoio qa anoijei h syzhthsh gia tis megales allages kai poy qa teqoyn sthn krish toy ellhnikoy laoy. Kai mas eipate oti sthn oysia prokeitai gia mia sygkrothmenh diadikasia anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos. Omws, yparxoyn sygkekrimenes pronoies sto Syntagma poy mexri ton Ioynio toy 2013 den mporei na ginei tipota poy na exei isxy. Ayto pws qa to jeperasete praktika;

MOSIALOS: Einai to diadikastiko poy sas anhsyxei, kyrie Mixahl, ayth th stigmh h to oti h kybernhsh me thn politikh prwtoboylia ths anoigei to politiko zhthma ths xwras; Blepete to dendro kai oxi to dasos, nomizw. Anoigoyme ena poly megalo politiko zhthma.

MIXAHL: Poso desmeytikh qa einai h opoiadhpote apofash; Qa einai anaqewrhtikh h epomenh Boylh; 'Exete melethsei ayto to pragma; Ayto erwtw na maqw, merika stoixeia parapanw.

MOSIALOS: Otan sas eipa oti ola ayta ta qemata qa teqoyn yp' ocin ths Epitrophs Qesmwn kai Diafaneias, den qa qelame na prokaqorisoyme th syzhthsh. Eimaste anoixtoi, ayto sas lew. Ola ayta ta qemata einai anoixta. An eixame prokaqorisei toys oroys ayths ths syzhthshs, tote qa mporoysan na bgoyn para polles ypoqeseis ergasias, giati kanoyme ayth th diadikasia. Epanalambanw oti anoigoyme to megalo politiko zhthma ths xwras mas. To anoije o idios o Prwqypoyrgos. Ayto prepei na blepoyme.

KROYSTALLH: Eipate prohgoymenws oti to klimakio ths troikas qa syzhthsei kapoies diorqwtikes allages poy exoyn protaqei kai sto Koinoboylio. Me dedomeno oti mas piezoyn oi Eyrwpaioi, opws eidame kai sto Eurogroup, alla kai genika, na chfisoyme to mesoproqesmo, yparxei kapoia skech gia epispeysh ths diadikasias chfishs h mporeite na mas peite desmeytika pote qa chfistei to mesoproqesmo;

MOSIALOS: To mesoproqesmo qa chfistei me bash tis problepomenes koinoboyleytikes diadikasies. H deyterh anagnwsh oloklhrwnetai ayth thn ebdomada. Den einai akribws to gnwsto klimakio ths troikas, opws eipa, se anwtato epipedo, einai mia texnikh grammateia se xamhlotero epipedo, poy qa syzhthsei me tis yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn kai ta armodia ypoyrgeia. Oi syzhthseis qa aforoyn mono tis diorqwtikes parembaseis kai beltiwseis poy exoyn hdh syzhthqei. Tipote allo. To mesoproqesmo qa chfistei me bash tis problepomenes koinoboyleytikes diadikasies, den yparxei metaqesh hmeromhniwn.

NEDOS: Sth nea systash ths kybernhshs problefqhke kai h leitoyrgia mias kybernhtikhs epitrophs. Qa hqela na rwthsw pote epikeitai h prwth synedriash, an qa synedriazei taktika kai ean qa einai ejoysiodothmenh na lambanei kai apofaseis, opws to atypo, as poyme.

MOSIALOS: Qa synedriazei taktika. Oi apofaseis lambanontai apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, dhladh, den ypokaqistatai to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. H prwth synedriash qa ginei poly amesa, tis epomenes meres. Den exw sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia ayth th stigmh, alla h Kybernhtikh Epitroph qa synedriasei sto ameso prosexes mellon.

SABBOPOYLOY: Mia dieykrinish gia to kommati toy dhmosioy tomea, epeidh milhsate gia anadiarqrwsh toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy kai to balate ws kai mia anagkh epitaktikh kai ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Ayth h anadiarqrwsh perilambanei kai apolyseis, epeidh endexomenws yparxei kai ws anagkh sthn ellhnikh koinwnia.

MOSIALOS: 'Hmoyn para poly safhs: Den milhsa gia apolyseis. Milhsa gia qespish proteraiothtwn, ajiologhsh twn anagkwn, antistoixish toy ariqmoy twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn stis anagkes twn Ellhnwn politwn kai ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. As kanoyme prwta ayth thn antistoixish, as kanoyme prwta thn ajiologhsh kai meta qa doyme kai ta syntagmatika plaisia ths metarryqmishs. H syzhthsh peri apolysewn, ayth th stigmh, einai akairh.

Qa hqela epishs na sas tonisw oti qespisqhke allos tropos meiwshs toy ariqmoy twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn, mesw toy 1 pros 5 h kai toy 1 pros 10.

MOSXOBAS: Ara, ypoqetw oti ws kybernhsh exete mia apoch: Proserxesqe s' enan dialogo, qa proselqete ton Septembrio s' ayth th diadikasia syzhthshs h opote to apofasisete en pash periptwsei, me mia apoch. H apoch sas loipon en ocei ths syntagmatikhs anaqewrhshs einai na arqei h monimothta twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn; Qa hqela mia safh apanthsh. Kai deyteron, giati yparxoyn aytes oi apoceis kai sthn koinwnia, tis perigracate kai prin kai eseis, ean qa teqei se dhmochfisma mia tetoia apoch, nai h oxi sthn arsh ths monimothtas twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn.

MOSIALOS: Hmoyn poly safhs oti h syzhthsh peri arshs ths monimothtas einai akairh. Kai to tonizw ayto. Kai menoyme ekei. 'Akairh, se sxesh me ta syntagmatika periqwria poy yparxoyn. Yparxoyn alla pragmata poy qa prepei na ginoyn ston dhmosio tomea kai ayta qa epidiwjoyme na kanoyme me systhmatiko kai organwmeno tropo.

'Oson afora th syzhthsh gia to dhmochfisma, sas periegraca oti h diadikasia einai anoikth. H diadikasia lambanei yp' ocin toys polites kai lambanei epishs yp' ocin thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Epomenws, ekbiastika dilhmmata den prokeitai na teqoyn.

MOYRELATOY: Anaferate prohgoymenws oti ayto to texniko klimakio ths troikas qa syzhthsei tis allages, tis beltiwseis...

MOSIALOS: Milhsa gia prosarmoges kai beltiwseis.

MOYRELATOY: ... ws pros to mesoproqesmo. Epeidh o prokatoxos toy k. Benizeloy eixe anakoinwsei sygkekrimena beltiwtika metra kai gia to aforologhto k.o.k., eiste se qesh na mas enhmerwsete an ayta teloyn ypo thn egkrish ths troikas h endexomenws kapoia ap' ayta to texniko klimakio qa qewrhsei oti yperbainoyn toys stoxoys kai prepei na ta parei pisw h kybernhsh;

MOSIALOS: Den pisteyw oti qa symbei kati tetoio. Qa yparjei mia syzhthsh, alla epi toy texnikoy qematos, oxi epi toy politikoy qematos ths lhchs twn metrwn. Epi toy texnikoy.

MOYRELATOY: Epi toy ariqmhtikoy stoxoy, gia paradeigma;

MOSIALOS: Sas eipa: O synolikos ariqmhtikos stoxos paramenei kai mesa s' ayta ta plaisia ginontai oles oi syzhthseis. Den allazei o synolikos stoxos, se kamia periptwsh.

SIDERHS: Eipate oti h anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos einai apaithsh ths koinwnias twn politwn. Pws to tekmairete ayto kyrie Ekproswpe kai giati den einai apla h proswpikh atzenta toy k. Papandreoy; Eidame oti ton kairo poy boyliazame kai zhtoysame ton Stros-Kan, thn idia stigmh ebaze qema iqageneias, thn idia stigmh ebaze to opengov. kai emenan akefala ta ypoyrgeia apo Genikoys Grammateis. Blepoyme dhladh esaei, enamish xrono twra, ton k. Papandreoy na exei mia proswpikh atzenta, poy eniote einai anantistoixh me toys kairoys. Twra, ti proexei gia to Syntagma, th stigmh poy den jeroyme akomh ean qa epibiwsoyme; Kai den einai kai apoprosanatolismos apo thn kyria prospaqeia na anoijei mia tetoia syzhthsh; Kai epiprosqetws den einai parembolh diamaxwn sto politiko skhniko th stigmh poy zhtate synainesh;

MOSIALOS: Qa elega to antiqeto. Giati ayto to opoio leme emeis kai hmoyn para poly safhs sthn arxikh topoqethsh moy, einai oti den qa prepei na blepoyme mono ta symptwmata twn problhmatwn ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Kai to symptwma einai to megalo xreos kai to megalo elleimma. Prepei na antimetwpisoyme epiteloys kai tis aities. An den antimetwpisoyme ws politiko systhma tis aities poy gennhsan ta symptwmata, dhladh, to elleimma kai to xreos - kai mia apo tis aities poy gennhsan ta symptwmata htan kai h idia h leitoyrgia toy politikoy systhmatos, oi adiafaneis diadikasies, h dysleitoyrgia poy yparxei sto politiko systhma kai an qelete eyrytera me to politiko systhma h adiafaneia sth sxesh metajy twn triwn ejoysiwn (ths ektelestikhs, ths nomoqetikhs kai ths dikastikhs), den yparxoyn ekei problhmata; Den dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata logw ths dysleitoyrgias ths dikaiosynhs, etsi wste na aponemetai taxista h dikaiosynh kai parallhla na yparxei apolyth diafaneia kai sto politiko, alla kai sto oikonomiko systhma ayths ths xwras; Ayta einai koryfaia erwthmata. Den einai apoprosanatolismos. Einai erwthmata ta opoia qa prepei na syzhthqoyn amesa. 'Ara, den antimetwpizoyme mono ta symptwmata. Antimetwpizoyme kai tis aities ths krishs. Kai ayto einai epitaktikh anagkh na ginei twra kai oxi argotera, giati synexeia qa eimaste pisw apo ta symptwmata kai den qa antimetwpizoyme tis rizes toy kakoy.

BITALHS: Perissotero san aporia k. Ekproswpe, an qymamai kala o neos eklogikos nomos einai basikh shmaia toy PASOK me thn opoia kathlqe stis ekloges, einai sto eklogiko toy programma, einai basikh epilogh toy k. Papandreoy edw kai xronia kai mas to exei pei. To idio kai h xrhmatodothsh twn kommatwn, to idio kai oi allages sthn dikaiosynh, pragmata egkekrimena kai chfismena apo ton ellhniko lao. Einai qemata ta opoia an den me apata h mnhmh moy pernane dia nomoy sth Boylh me thn pleiochfia poy erxetai. Ayta akribws ta zhthmata giati ta bazete sthn diadikasia toy dhmochfismatos kai den ta proxwrate apo thn stigmh poy egkriqhkan apo ton ellhniko lao ayta ta pragmata kai htan desmeyseis sas.

MOSIALOS: Kai pali tonizw oti h syzhthsh ayth einai eyryterh. Afora to synolo toy politikoy systhmatos kai twn drasthriothtwn toy. Den einai tria epimeroys qemata. Emeis anoigoyme mia poly megalh politikh atzenta ayth th stigmh. Den thn periorizoyme se tria qemata ta opoia monoi mas pali ta eixame anadeijei proeklogika mazi me polla alla qemata. Dieyrynoyme to pedio ths syzhthshs, to afhnoyme anoixto se synennohsh prwton kai kyrio me toys ellhnes polites alla kai me ta ypoloipa politika kommata.

XIDIROGLOY: Qa hqela na mas peite, mia kai proerxeste kai ej aristerwn , apo oti maqainoyme, an o SYRIZA einai to komma twn trampoykwn, opws isxyristhke o antiproedros ths kybernhshs milwntas sthn thleorash kai an epishs symfwneite me th rhsh toy k. Panagiwtakopoyloy poy milaei gia ideologiko komfoyzio sto PASOK.

MOSIALOS: Den yioqetw akraioys xarakthrismoys kai oyte pote qa to kanw. Perimenw omws to idio kai apo to SYRIZA poy exei tis sygkekrimenes eyaisqhsies na mhn apeyqynei akraioys xarakthrismoys. Hdh to exei kanei kat' epanalhch kai idiaitera pros to proswpo toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Oson afora tis dhlwseis toy k. Panagiwtakopoyloy, den qa sxoliasw dhlwseis stelexwn toy Politikoy Symboylioy toy PASOK.

PAPADHMAS: Eipate oti qa pwlhqei ena pososto 17% ths DEH. Ayto ti shmainei oti qa meinei ypo kratiko elegxo gia ta epomena xronia kai gia panta; 'H ejetazete kapoies enallaktikes opws einai h pwlhsh monadwn, k.t.l., k.t.l.

MOSIALOS: Ejetazoyme ayto poy exoyme sto mesoproqesmo programma. Ayto kai mono, tipote allo.

MOSXOBAS: Mia aporia poy exei diatypwsei nomizw kai h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, toylaxiston hmiepishmws, giati den metexoyn sthn kybernhtikh epitroph oi ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn kai Amynas h kai o antiproedros akomh ths kybernhshs o k. Pagkalos. Exete mia apanthsh;

MOSIALOS: Oi ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn kai Amynas symmetexoyn se alles domes ths kybernhshs, opws einai to KYSEA, to opoio proedreyetai apo ton antiproedro ths kybernhshs otan den symmetexei o Prwqypoyrgos kai sigoyra einai shmantika ta ypoyrgeia ta opoia dieyqynoyn. Den yparxei kamia amfibolia gi ayto.

MPEKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos mas exei pei gia na paroyme to neo daneio mamoyq ginontai prospaqeies apo thn kybernhsh na mhn mas ypoballoyn kai pali ypoqhkes h empragmones ejasfaliseis, opws to mnhmonio 1 . Telika qa maqoyme thn alhqeia; Qa maqei o ellhnikos laos ti akribws symbainei;

MOSIALOS: Ma, otan o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, qetei ayto to qema sto plaisio ths diafanoys koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias, ti allo qelete; To anoije o idios. An yphrxe problhma den qa to anoige o idios. Eipe: Apolyth diafaneia pantoy. Kai milhse gia apolyth diafaneia kai stis diadikasies ajiopoihshs ths akinhths perioysias toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. Diafaneia pantoy.

Sas eyxaristw poly kai eyelpistw se mia kalh synergasia sto mellon. --1427249692-1810496147-1308606444=:19771--

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