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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 8 Ioynioy 2011

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 8 Ioynioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

To megalo kai shmantiko zhtoymeno gia thn kybernhsh, sto plaisio antimetwpishs ths krishs, einai h taytoxronh ejasfalish ths megisths dynaths koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs kai dikaihs katanomhs twn barwn sthn koinwnia.

Stoxos mas einai, oxi mono na bgoyme apo thn krish, alla na katasthsoyme to politiko kai oikonomiko mas systhma pio dikaio kai pio diafanes.

Sthn prospaqeia ayth, ejantloyme ola ta periqwria gia na ejasfalisoyme th megisth koinwnikh dikaiosynh, th dikaih katanomh twn barwn, alla kai toy koinwnikoy ploytoy, thn anatroph twn mikrwn kai megalwn symferontwn poy kratoyn pros ta katw thn anaptyjh kai thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh.

Agwnizomaste gia thn asfalh ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish. Omws, kamia prospaqeia den qa exei shmasia, ean h xwra den yperbei ta sobara oikonomika kai dhmosionomika problhmata poy antimetwpizei.

Mono me thn epityxh antimetwpish aytwn twn xroniwn kai diarqrwtikwn problhmatwn mas, mporei h xwra na apotinajei ta dhmosionomika barh toy parelqontos kai na proxwrhsei me asfaleia sto mellon.

Mono me ayton ton tropo mporei na apokatastaqei to aisqhma asfaleias ston Ellhna polith, poy basanizetai oxi mono apo ta symptwmata ths krishs, alla kai apo aisqhmata anasfaleias gia to mellon ths xwras.

Epidiwkoyme na apokatasthsoyme ston Ellhna polith, sthn ellhnikh oikogeneia, ston Ellhna epixeirhmatia to aisqhma sigoyrias gia thn poreia ths xwras.

Ayth einai h megalh proklhsh, ayto einai to megalo zhtoymeno. Ayto, omws, qa proelqei mono apo sobarh kai sygkentrwmenh prospaqeia apo thn proshlwsh se sygkekrimenoys stoxoys.

Omws, bash gia kaqe tetoia prospaqeia einai h ypeyqynh stash, mia stash poy anagnwrizei th sobarothta kai to xronio xarakthra twn problhmatwn ths xwras, thn anagkh gia proshlwsh stoys dhmosionomikoys kai alloys stoxoys, thn anagkh gia mia pragmatikh allagh ths xwras.

Exoyme plhrh syneidhsh ths sobarothtas ths katastashs kai thn anagkaia wrimothta na antimetwpisoyme ayth thn katastash kai ta problhmata ths.

Epipleon, gnwrizoyme oti h xwra prepei na anakthsei plhrws thn ajiopistia ths. Ayto ginetai mono me programma, sxedio, afosiwsh kai epiteyjh stoxwn.

O laikismos, h sygxysh, to xaidema aytiwn mporei na einai elkystika, alla den prosferoyn kamia yphresia oyte sth xwra, oyte stoys polites.

Ayto prepei na to lambanoyn ypoch toys oles oi politikes dynameis poy epidiwkoyn me to laikismo kai th sygxysh na broyn proskaira eyhkoa wta se kommatika h koinwnika akroathria. Qa anakalyptoyn oti to carema se qola nera exei braxy bio. Den mporei na staqei, peran toy oti ekqetei th xwra kai sto dieqnes periballon.

H anagkh gia ypeyqynothta kai wrimothta afora oloys mas, einai eyqynh olwn mas kai prepei na thn paroyme sta sobara.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws ajiologei h kybernhsh tis xqesines anafores toy Amerikanoy Proedroy Mparak Ompama sthn ellhnikh oikonomia;

PETALWTHS: Oles oi anafores twn jenwn hgetwn h twn jenwn ajiwmatoyxwn exoyn thn ajia toys. Emeis, omws, ayto poy exoyme na kanoyme, einai na eimaste proshlwmenoi stoys stoxoys mas, na pairnoyme gennaies kai tolmhres apofaseis gia na jeperasoyme thn krish, prospaqwntas parallhla na anastrecoyme to megalo elleimma ajiopistias poy eixe h xwra mas kai ejakoloyqei na exei sto ejwteriko, alla oxi se toso megalo baqmo. Ayto poy qa prepei na kanoyme, einai na anadeijoyme kai na katadeijoyme kai stoys etairoys mas oti exoyme programma, oti kanoyme megales prospaqeies ws xwra, ws laos. Qa prepei na to antilhfqoyme oloi mas kai sto ejwteriko, alla kyriws sto eswteriko.

MPEKA: Kyrie Ypoyrge, an kapoios sas milaei gia Goydh, sas leei den forate pantelonia h forate pantelonia alla xwris periexomeno kai sas anaferei th lejh ``oyfo'' kai milame gia istorika proswpa ths paratajhs toy PA.SO.K., opws o k. Kaklamanhs kai h Basw Papandreoy. Eseis, gia logoys ajioprepeias kai mono pisteyete oti o Prwqypoyrgos prepei na meinei h na paraithqei;

PETALWTHS: Anaferontas syllhbdhn kai ataktws erimmenes kapoies fraseis, poy apo kapoioys amfisbhteitai gia to an akoysthkan, alla estw kai an akoysthkan se mia yperdekawrh syzhthsh, ayto den shmainei oti exei antanaklash ston Prwqypoyrgo. Ekeino poy pragmatika mas apasxolei, einai na kanoyme th doyleia mas me ton kalytero tropo. Na anoijoyme syzhthseis kai ayto egine xqes sto dieyrymeno KTE Oikonomikwn, wste na akoystoyn oles oi sobares protaseis me ypeyqynothta kai na beltiwsoyme sto megalytero baqmo toys oroys kai tis proypoqeseis poy yparxoyn sto Mesoproqesmo Strathgiko Sxedio gia th xwra. Ayto mas apasxolei. Ayth einai h apostolh mias kybernhshs poy kyberna ton topo se aytes tis ejairetika dyskoles kai krisimes synqhkes. Kai ayto kanoyme.

SIDERHS: Qa symfwnhsw oti den antanakla ston Prwqypoyrgo. Omws, otan bgainei h k. Papandreoy kai leei oti to Noembrio eidopoihse ton k. Papakwnstantinoy na parei metra kai thn koitoyse san ``oyfo'', ejakoloyqei o k. Papakwnstantinoy na apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Giati prohgoymenws eipate ``exoyme plhrh katanohsh ths sobarothtas ths katastashs poy brisketai h xwra''. Pote thn apekleise o k. Papakwnstantinoy thn epignwsh ths sobarothtas ths katastashs; Giati to Noembrio toy 2009, alloi thn eixan apokthsei, o k. Papakwnstantinoy oxi.

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw gia allh mia fora: Oi synqhkes poy brhkame sth xwra, htan teleiws diaforetikes apo aytes poy prodiegrafe h sobarh kai ypeyqynh politeia ths kybernhshs toy k. Karamanlh. Mesa se aytes tis diaforetikes synqhkes tis opoies akomh anakalyptoyme -as mhn jexname oti h teleytaia qewrhsh toy elleimmatos gia to 2009 egine prin apo merikoys mhnes kai apokalyfqhke oti to elleimma htan panw apo 15%- thn abebaiothta poy yphrxe, thn elleich stoixeiwdwn stoixeiwn, toso gia thn oikonomia oso kai gia to dhmosio - giati den prepei na jexname ta stoixeiwdh- o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn ekane osa den ekanan polloi ypoyrgoi Oikonomikwn ta teleytaia xronia. Me tetoies antijoothtes elaxistes kybernhseis mporoyme na poyme oti doylecan sth synolikh istoria ths xwras mas kai kyriws sigoyra oxi meta thn metapoliteysh.

Otan eixame ena ellhniko dhmosio to opoio den gnwrize ton akribh ariqmo twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn toy kai eprepe na erqoyme emeis to 2010 gia na kanoyme thn katagrafh, otan den gnwrizame pragmatika poio einai to elleimma, posh einai h anergia kai ola ayta ta stoixeia apokryptontan apo th N.D. - kai apokryptontan kai apo toys polites, oxi mono apo toys etairoys- tote pragmatika gia poia akribws dedomena qa mporoysame na milhsoyme; Parola ayta, ayth h kybernhsh ekane osa eprepe na kanei. Kai an shmera kapoioi mas kathgoroyn oti lambanoyme epwdyna metra, kapote mas kathgoroysan oti den lambanoyme metra.

Emeis lambanoyme sobares apofaseis. Labame sobares apofaseis gia na mporoyme na stekomaste shmera ws xwra kai na mhn exoyme xreokophsei. Phrame apofaseis poy meiwsan to elleimma kata 5 monades, dhladh meiwsh panw apo 30%. Kati poy den exei ginei pote se olh thn Eyrwph. Petyxame kai mia seira apo alla zhthmata ta opoia shmera syllhbdhn teinoyn na qewrhqoyn oti einai apotyxhmena. E, oxi!

As antilhfqoyme oloi oti exoyme mia bash epityxias, as antilhfqoyme oloi to ti paralabame kai poy briskomaste twra kai poia h stash kai h qesh ekeinwn twn politikwn dynamewn poy mas eferan ews edw. Ean symperilabei kapoios sth skech toy ola ayta, tote pragmatika pisteyw oti qa jeroyme kai se poia bash qa prepei na syzhtame.

SIDERHS: Ayta bebaia isxyan kai gia thn k. Papandreoy, alla eixe katalabei se poia katastash eimaste;

PETALWTHS: Anaferomai genikws, den anaferomai sthn k. Papandreoy. Epanalambanw, oti to na leme eykola logia kai na xaideyoyme aytia einai poly eykolo. Alla, to na erxomaste na kanoyme prajeis zhthmata poy den eixan teqei pote sthn ellhnikh Politeia, oikonomia, alla kai sthn koinwnia, tote pragmatika pisteyw oti adikoyme thn idia thn prospaqeia poy kanoyn h K.O. kai to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

SIDERHS: Kapote sas eixa rwthsei giati epitrepetai stis Anejarthtes Arxes na einai kratos en kratei. H Epitroph Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn apagoreyse thn anarthsh sto diadiktyo twn onomatwn twn forofygadwn. Giati epitrepetai se aytes tis Arxes na leitoyrgoyn toso anorqologika, me tetoia anejarthsia kai na tassontai telika ek toy apotelesmatos yper twn forofygadwn, apagoreyontas thn anarthsh twn onomatwn toys sto diadiktyo;

PETALWTHS: Oi Anejarthtes Arxes exoyn ena sygkekrimeno status, ena sygkekrimeno nomiko plaisio sto opoio leitoyrgoyn kai gi` ayto einai kai anejarthtes. Gia na mhn parembainei kai na mhn mporei na parembainei kaqe kybernhsh. Oson afora ta proswpika dedomena, exoyme chfisei nomo poy se polles periptwseis h anakoinwsh twn onomatwn twn forofygadwn einai epitrepth. Oles oi Arxes, akomh kai oi anejarthtes, prepei na basizoyn kai basizoyn tis energeies toys panw se nomoys. Aytoi oi nomoi prospaqoyn na isorrophsoyn thn prostasia twn proswpikwn dedomenwn, alla kai to dhmosio symferon poy eidika sthn periptwsh twn forofygadwn, problepei kai thn apokalych onomatwn. Ara, h sygkrish twn pleonekthmatwn kai twn meionekthmatwn mias tetoias prajhs, alla kai h isorropia einai basei nomoy. Kai o,ti einai basei nomoy, einai kai elegkteo. Emeis, omws, ws kybernhsh prospaqhsame kai ferame tetoia nomoqesia, na anakoinwnontai se eidikes periptwseis ta onomata forofygadwn, oxi bebaia kapoiwn poy ofeiloyn pente xiliades eyrw sto ellhniko dhmosio. Den mporoyme omws na parablecoyme oti yparxei anagkh prostasias twn proswpikwn dedomenwn kai den prokeitai na katarghsoyme ayth thn Arxh.

MPEKA: Epanerxomai sthn erwthsh poy sas ekana. Thn kybernhsh den thn apasxolei to gegonos oti istorika proswpa miloyn me toso sklhro tropo gia thn politikh ths; Akoma kai an kapoia logia, opws eipate kai eseis einai dysforoymena, den einai swsta.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh exei mprosta ths sygkekrimeno ergo. H kybernhsh einai ayth poy protrepei na anoigoyn megales syzhthseis. Epanalambanw oti oi synedriaseis twn KTE toy PA.SO.K. einai polles kai toso pyknes poy den eixan ginei pote apo kamia kybernhsh. Einai epilogh ths kybernhshs, h K.O. oxi mono na enhmerwnetai, alla na syzhta kai na proteinei. Ekeino poy apomenei, einai na mporoyme na askoyme swsth kai sobarh politikh kai na beltiwnoyme toys oroys ths politikhs mas. Ayta pragmatika pairnoyme kai phrame -kai qa fanei sto teliko Mesoproqesmo Strathgiko Sxedio- apo tis protaseis twn boyleytwn. Ayto mas apasxolei kai ayto mas epiballei h sobarothta kai h ypeyqynothta poy epiballoyn oi kairoi.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pera apo tis sygkekrimenes fraseis poy akoysthkan xqes sth synedriash toy dieyrymenoy KTE, eixame boyleytes toy PASOK na milane gia kybernhsh eqnikhs swthrias, alloi na kanoyn logo gia prowres ekloges, alloi na amfisbhtoyn to ergo poy exei paragei h kybernhsh. Ayto deixnei ena asyndeto, ena askeri - telos pantwn- kai oxi mia syntetagmenh Koinoboyleytikh Omada, poy einai aparaithth stis shmerines synqhkes, gia na mporesei na antimetwpisei mia prwtofanh krish.

PETALWTHS: Ws eidhseis pros ta ejw bghkan, profanws, ayta poy einai poly eyxarista, poy einai poly ``piperata''. Giati, gia paradeigma, den bghke pros ta ejw kai den to eidame poyqena oti den yphrxe kamia amfibolia kai kamia amfisbhthsh gia to mesoproqesmo kai gia thn chfish toy. Ayto, den to eidame shmera na anadeiknyetai, otan kapoioi mas elegan oti oi boyleytes qa pane kai qa poyn oti den qa chfisoyn to mesoproqesmo. Einai safestato dikaiwma twn boyleytwn na chfisoyn, giati chfizoyn me th syneidhsh toys ws boyleytes. Qelw omws sto shmeio ayto na symplhrwsw kai ayto qelw na katadeijw oti oi boyleytes exoyn mia poly megalh ypeyqynothta kai sobarothta. Eidika gia toys boyleytes toy PASOK, shmera, opoy yparxei mia perirreoysa atmosfaira isopedwtikh kai aporriptikh twn pantwn, einai poly shmantiko kai dyskolo, alla kai ejisoy sobaro oti stekontai me mia ypeyqynh stash apenanti ston rolo toys, dioti qa mporoysame na eixame alla fainomena poy fysika den ta exoyme. Synepws, qelw na pw oti ektos apo tis aitiaseis, kapoies apo tis opoies exoyme yioqethsei ki emeis ws kybernhsh, dhladh to oti yphrjan laqh, paraleiceis, isws yphrxe mia taxythta poy qa eprepe na htan megalyterh, ola ayta prospaqoyme na ta diorqwsoyme. Ayto allwste zhtame na mas ypodeiknyoyn kai oi boyleytes, alla kai ta stelexh mas genikotera, kaqws kai oi polites, isodynames politikes, etsi wste na eimaste mesa stoys stoxoys mas. Alla ektos apo ayta ta poly wraia kai ``piperata'' poy bghkan pros ta ejw, oi boyleytes eipan kai alla poly shmantika pragmata, ta opoia pragmatika einai antajia ths ypeyqynothtas kai ths sobarothtas ths koinoboyleytikhs omadas shmera.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai dyo diaforetika pragmata, an moy epitrepete, h amfisbhthsh sto mesoproqesmo kai h amfisbhthsh ths chfishs toy mesoproqesmoy. 'Ontws, xqes, kaneis den eipe eyqews oti qa katachfisei to mesoproqesmo. Alla exw ena erwthma to opoio aphyqyne boyleyths kai den apanthqhke pote: Ti einai ayto poy eggyatai stoys boyleytes oti dedomenoy oti apetyxe to mnhmonio-1 kai pame se ena mnhmonio-2, oti den qa xreiastei ena mnhmonio-3.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, den qa apanthsw egw, apo to bhma ths enhmerwshs twn politikwn syntaktwn, s' ayto to erwthma, ean teqhke apo kapoion boyleyth. Alla egw, ayto poy exw na pw, einai oti epiteloys as stamathsoyme na qewroyme oti apetyxe to mnhmonio. Giati osoi mas legoyn oti apetyxe - kai dystyxws kapoioi to qewroyn, epanalambanw, ws bash syzhthshs- as mas poyn giati den ptwxeysame, giati den xreokophsame edw ki ena xrono poy einai se isxy ayto to mnhmonio. Osoi legoyn oti to mnhmonio apetyxe, as mas poyn giati kataferame na meiwsoyme kata pente monades to elleimma, poy den to entassoyn kaqoloy stis epityxies ayths ths kybernhshs kai aytoy toy mnhmonioy. 'Osoi legoyn oti to mnhmonio apetyxe, as mas poyn kai gia mia seira allwn zhthmatwn, ta opoia etiqento mesa sto mnhmonio to opoio hdh ``trexoyme'' ws programma kai to opoio mas efere s' ayth th bash etsi wste na mporoyme na syzhtame gia peraiterw.

Epiteloys, as antilhfqoyme oloi oti an den yphrxe ayto to mnhmonio, ean den yphrxan ta 110 dis eyrw, qa eixame xreokophsei. Ayto qa prepei na to antilhfqoyme. Kai ean fqasame ena xrono meta na leme pws dhmioyrgoyme prooptikes gia ejodo apo thn krish, einai giati akribws polloi stoxoi apo ayto to mnhmonio exoyn petyxei. Epomenws, den mporoyme na milame me bash th qewria oti apetyxe to mnhmonio. Ayta gia na mporoyme na apokaqistoyme kai kapoia pragmata, mesa se olh ayth th sygxysh poy dhmioyrgeitai, mesa se ayta ta wraia kai poly eyhkoa ta opoia akoygontai, yparxei kai mia pragmatikothta: Kai h pragmatikothta einai ayth, thn opoia den mporoyme na afhsoyme kata meros kai den mporoyme na thn jeperasoyme mesa apo diafora sxhmata, prosxhmata kai eggyhseis. Poios qa mporoyse dhladh na eggyhqei thn poreia ths xwras, pera apo ayto poy kanoyme; Yparxei kapoios poy qa mporoyse apo to ejwteriko h apo to eswteriko na eggyhqei se mas, se mia xwra poy briskotan sto xeilos ths xreokopias oti qa fqasoyme se ena shmeio, etsi opws to qeloyme prodiagegrammeno; H monh eggyhsh einai h doyleia kai h sobarothta poy prepei na epideiknyoyme, h doyleia poy ginetai apo thn kybernhsh me ypeyqynothta, exontas apenanti ths politikes dynameis oi opoies, gia profaneis-idioteleis logoys, den synainoyn kai den erxontai na synennohqoyme se ena eqniko epipedo, pisteyontas oti as bgalei ayth h kybernhsh ta ``kastana apo th fwtia'' kai emeis meta eimaste edw. Giati den mporei kaneis na parakamcei to gegonos - kai ayto den to akoyw genikws na proballetai- oti o k. Samaras poy mila gia epanadiapragmateysh, les kai h epanadiapragmateysh einai to apan, les ki emeis den diapragmateyomaste kalyteroys oroys s' ayto to mnhmonio - kai oxi mono toys diapragmateyqhkame, alla toys petyxame kiolas- na erxetai kai na leei oti ``qa epanadiapragmateyqoyme'' kai sygxronws na diakhryttei oti ``emeis qa sebastoyme tis desmeyseis ths xwras''. 'Arage, ti shmainei ayto; Ayto poly apla shmainei oti h kybernhsh kanei th doyleia ths se poly swsth bash. Asfalws yparxoyn periqwria beltiwshs kai einai para polla. Alla mesa s' aytes tis synqhkes qa prepei na lambanoyme yp' ocin pws leitoyrgei h kybernhsh kai ti apotelesmata yparxoyn. Synepws, an kapoioi pisteyoyn oti qa erqoyn na broyn ena etoimo programma gia na poyn ``eyxaristoyme'', sygkrinontas mas malista me thn Portogalia, otan sthn Portogalia h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh eixe synypogracei to mnhmonio prin kan ginei kybernhsh, tote pragmatika nomizw oti yparxei anagkh na poyme thn alhqeia ston ellhniko lao. Kai ayth th stigmh h kybernhsh th leei thn alhqeia. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Arkei omws na poyn oloi - olo to politiko systhma- thn alhqeia. Kai na stamathsoyme na nomizoyme oti ``xaideyontas aytia'' h me enan akrato laikismo pws qa mporesoyme na ginoyme pio arestoi kai na jefygoyme apo th dyskolia sthn opoia briskomaste shmera.

PITTARAS: Pantws, ayto poy zhta h kybernhsh kai to oikonomiko epiteleio apo toys boyleytes kai to zhthse kai xqes kai stoys ypoyrgoys proxqes, einai ena pragma: Na toys poyn isodynames protaseis, isodynama metra. Kai ayto poy den exoyme akoysei apo to oikonomiko epiteleio kai apo thn kybernhsh einai poia einai ta isodynama metra gia na sthrijete eseis thn apasxolhsh, h opoia ayth th stigmh einai sto epikentro toy problhmatos. Kai eidame kai shmera na bgainoyn kai alla stoixeia, nea stoixeia statistika, opoy thn anergia thn anebazoyn sto 16,2%. Poia einai ta isodynama metra ta opoia eseis proteinete; Giati zhtate isodynama metra mono gia na eisprajete.

PETALWTHS: Oxi, den zhtame isodynama metra gia na eisprajoyme. Zhtame isodynama metra gia na bgoyme apo thn krish, gia na yparxei ena mesoproqesmo, to opoio qa exei kai entono anaptyjiako xarakthra. Kai fysika, den mporoyme na ypobaqmizoyme thn anagkh na meiwsoyme to xreos ths xwras mas. Ean den ejygianoyme th xwra mas dhmosionomika, den bgainoyme apo thn krish. Ayto, prepei oloi na to antilhfqoyme. Dioti ayto akoyme, oti pairnoyme metra gia na meiwsoyme to xreos kai to elleimma. Ma, ayth einai h bash. Apo ekei kai pera, fysika, yparxei mesa sto mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio mia oloklhrh qewrhsh twn anaptyjiakwn prooptikwn ths xwras. Kai gi' ayto akribws leme oti opoios mporei na proteinei isodynama metra kai gia tis eisprajeis - dioti ekei einai to problhma poy kaiei ton kosmo- eyxaristws na ta akoysoyme. Kai sygxronws eimaste etoimoi gia na enswmatwsoyme sto mesoproqesmo kaqe epipleon protash, oxi mono apo toys boyleytes mas kai toys ypoyrgoys mas, oi ypoyrgoi apofasizoyn oytws h allws sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai fysika oi boyleytes apofasizoyn en telei me thn chfo toys. 'Ara, den zhtame na mas kanei kaneis kapoia xarh. Oi boyleytes chfizoyn. Twn boyleytwn apofash qa einai to mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio. Alla kai oi alles politikes dynameis poy lene diafora, as erqoyn na mas kanoyn tis protaseis toys, gia na mporesoyme na tis enswmatwsoyme.

Na sas ypenqymisw oti otan o Prwqypoyrgos synanthqhke me toys politikoys arxhgoys, edwse se oloys mia lista apo metra kai apofaseis poy emeis proteinoyme kai parapleyrws htan mia allh lista me metra kai apofaseis poy proteinei to kaqe komma xwrista, etsi wste na mporesoyme na broyme poy mporoyme na sygklinoyme. Kai yphrxe protash ths kybernhshs se shmeia sygklishs. 'Ara, eimaste anoiktoi kai prepei na epimeinoyme. Gi' ayto ki emeis epimenoyme sthn eqnikh synennohsh, oi politikes dynameis na arqoyn sto ycos twn peristasewn kai na proteinoyn metra kai apofaseis, poy mporoyn na entaxqoyn sto mesoproqesmo, etsi wste na yparxei enas sygklinwn stoxos.

'Hdh, poy eseis ej epaggelmatos parakoloyqeite thn syzhthsh - giati mexri twra peri syzhthshs prokeitai, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio qa erqei ayrio to mesoproqesmo gia na egkriqei- metra ta opoia proteine h N.D. qa periexontai sto mesoproqesmo, ws metra ta opoia mporoyn pragmatika na bohqhsoyn sth sygklish enos sygkekrimenoy stoxoy.

PITTARAS: Epeidh eseis anoijate to qema, qelw na mas peite an isxyei oti anamenetai nea prosklhsh toy k. Papandreoy stoys politikoys arxhgoys gia nea synanthsh.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei tetoia syzhthsh me tetoio periexomeno, pros to paron. Alla fysika h prosklhsh gia eqnikh synennohsh einai anoikth se ola ta epipeda. Emeis epimenoyme sthn eqnikh synennohsh, s' ayth thn prosklhsh. Pisteyoyme oti einai amesh anagkaiothta, eqnikh anagkaiothta, na synennohqoyn epiteloys oi politikes dynameis ths xwras, prokeimenoy na exoyme ena programma poy qa proteinoyme kai qa apofasisoyme pros ton ellhniko lao, gia na bgoyme apo ayth thn krish, h opoia einai prwtofanhs gia th xwra.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Proxqes, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, yphrxan ypoyrgoi oi opoioi exoyn proteinei na apeyqynete prosklhsh pros thn antipoliteysh kai na pate na diapragmateyqeite mazi me thn troika. Ayto praktika pws mporei na ginei; Maqame oti to dexqhke kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai genikws to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio dexqhke mia tetoia protash. Praktika, pws to blepete na ginei;

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos to eixe pei kai ston k. Samara, sth synanthsh poy eixe ginei, alla kai sth synanthsh twn politikwn arxhgwn, na pame na syzhthsoyme me thn troika. Oytws h allws h troika syzhta kai me ta alla kommata kai kyriws me th N.D. Kai yphrxe mia proypoqesh poy eixe teqei apo ton k. Samara, na symfwnhsoyme prwta oi politikes dynameis se sygkekrimena pragmata kai meta na pame na ta diapragmateyqoyme sthn troika. Kai malista se sygkekrimena zhthmata sta opoia profanws den yphrxe kai pedio symfwnias. Ayto poy eipwqhke sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio einai ayto poy sas eipa, oti epiballetai ki emeis qa epimeinoyme, giati yparxei eqnikos logos na epimeinoyme sth sygklish twn politikwn dynamewn, sthn eqnikh synennohsh. Epiteloys oloi qa prepei na antilhfqoyme thn poly megalh eyqynh poy exoyme apenanti s' ayth thn prwtofanh katastash poy antimetwpizoyme.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Syggnwmh, ``epiballetai'' kai ``qa epimeinete'', praktika sas rwtaw: Dhladh, sta logia;

PETALWTHS: Oxi.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Pws qa ginei;

PETALWTHS: Ennoeitai oti den mporoyme na ypoxrewsoyme kanenan na erqei kai na synennohqei eqnika mazi mas, dhladh, sto plaisio mias eqnikhs synennohshs. Alla emeis akribws deijame oti ayto poy leme to ennooyme. Sas eipa oti entassoyme sto mesoproqesmo kapoies protaseis ths N.D., tis opoies qewroyme oti enisxyoyn to mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio gia na fqasei kalytera ston stoxo poy exoyme qesei. Ayto, apo mono toy, deixnei oti pragmatika kai oysiastika eimaste anoixtoi se protaseis kai apofaseis. Kai ayto den einai kati poy anakalycame tis teleytaies meres, to eixame pei apo thn arxh. Kai pisteyoyme, akomh kai shmera, oti yparxoyn periqwria eqnikhs synennohshs. Einai epibeblhmeno, oxi apo emas, oyte apo to PASOK, oyte apo thn kybernhsh. Einai epibeblhmeno apo tis synqhkes poy zoyme, apo thn eqnikh anagkaiothta poy brisketai pisw apo aytes tis synqhkes poy zoyme, epiteloys oi politikes dynameis na sygklinoyn se sygkekrimena zhthmata. Oyte na sygkybernhsoyme kalesame, oyte na katarghsoyme ta kommata kai na enwqoyme oloi se ena komma. Alla yparxoyn sygkekrimena zhthmata, sta opoia mporoyme kallista na sygklinoyme.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Dhladh, sto teleiwma kai den qa epimeinw allo, syggnwmh kiolas, sto teleiwma ths diapragmateyshs me thn troika, afoy perasei apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai afoy prepei na oristikopoihqei ayto to pragma, qa kalesete ta stelexh ths N.D. na kanete mia koinh synanthsh;

PETALWTHS: Ayto qa mporoyse na ginei kai se texniko epipedo me empeirognwmones poy qa mporoyse na proteinei h N.D., me stelexh toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn h allwn ypoyrgeiwn poy exoyn sxesh me to mesoproqesmo. Qa mporoysan na yparxoyn tropoi poy pragmatika na einai apodotikoi kai paragwgikoi gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai gia thn anaptyjh ths xwras mas. Yparxoyn tropoi. Arkei na yparjei h politikh boylhsh, wste pragmatika oles oi politikes dynameis na bohqhsoyme s' ayth th dyskolh katastash, prokeimenoy na bgoyme apo thn krish. Ta pragmata einai para poly apla.

BITALHS: Efoson lete entassoyme sto mesoproqesmo kai protaseis ths N.D., efoson, an qymamai kala, o k. Papakwnstantinoy bgainontas proxqes to brady apo to megaro Majimoy eipe oti erxetai forologiko sto opoio pairnoyme sobara ypoch mas kai tis protaseis ths N.D., efoson lete oti eimaste anoixtoi na proxwrhsoyme, ti apomenei loipon apo mia typikh prosklhsh, mia typikh prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy eite gia mia nea synanthsh me ton arxhgo ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs h kai toys alloys politikoys arxhgoys, eite kai mia prosklhsh empeirognwmonwn. Dhladh praktika ti apomenei otan exoyn ginei ola ayta;

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw oti h prosklhsh einai diarkhs , alla oi politikoi arxhgoi synantwntai otan yparxei logos. H synanthsh twn politikwn arxhgwn den einai oyte ypoyrgiko symboylio, oyte mia aplh syskech. H synanthsh twn politikwn arxhgwn ginetai eite kat idian me ton Prwqypoyrgo, eite synolika meta apo prwtoboylia ypo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias , otan yparxei logos na ginei. Ayto omws den shmainei oti ektos aytwn twn koryfaiwn diadikasiwn den mporei na yparxoyn kai alles diadikasies . Kai sas eipa prohgoymenws kati sygkekrimeno panw se ayto to zhthma: Empeirognwmones poy qa proteinei h N.D. na synanthqoyn me empeirognwmones toy yp. Oikonomikwn, oi opoioi na mporoyn omws pragmatika na prosferoyn ena synoliko kai syllogiko kalo apotelesma.

MPEKA: Kyrie ypoyrge, mas eixate apo thn 25h Martioy, tote poy h koinoboyleytikh omada kai h kybernhsh me qriambeytikes iaxes eixe ypodextei tis sxetikes apofaseis kai mas eixan apo tote sthn ``priza'' gia thn chfish toy mesoproqesmoy kai thn ekpoihsh twn 50 dis, oti to poly mexri 15 Maioy, meta 17 Maioy, ystera arxes Ioynioy, sth synexeia 22 Ioynioy na exei kleisei mexri th Synodo Koryfhs telika ths E.E. Ti egine kai lete jafnika pali oxi kai to proorizete gia meta tis 28 Ioynioy. Fobhqhkate toys ``Aganaktismenoys'' h krybete kati allo; Me dedomeno th dhlwsh Mparozo ``peite thn alhqeia ston ellhniko lao'', telika qa to ferete to mesoproqesmo h qa to kaqysterhsete ki allo;

PETALWTHS: H dhlwsh toy k. Mparozo, ti sxesh exei me thn erwthsh sas;

MPEKA: Apla egine xqes kai nomizw kollaei se ola ayta.

PETALWTHS: Qa prepei na antilhfqoyme oti to mesoproqesmo den einai enas aplos nomos, ton opoio ton etoimazoyme, menei se kapoia ypoyrgika syrtaria , bgainei otan qeloyme kai ton fernoyme pros chfish sthn Boylh.

To mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio einai oysiastika enas proypologismos, ena sxedio poy perilambanei kai thn ejodo ths krishs apo thn xwra mas, alla kai thn anaptyjiakh prooptikh ths xwras mas mexri to 2015. Einai para poly sobaro kai malista otan perilambanei sobarotates apofaseis , pera apo tis dhmosionomikes , gia megales allages poy prepei na ginoyn, gia apokratikopoihseis, gia ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias . Gia ena diaforetiko dhmosio pio paragwgiko kai pio apodotiko pros ton Ellhna polith kai pros to dhmosio symferon. Kai fysika gia emas otan exoyme na diaxeiristoyme tetoioy eidoys zhthmata, den tiqetai qema mias ebdomadas nwritera h dyo ebdomadwn argotera. Ayto einai epoysiwdes kai fysika osoi symmetexoyn sta politika drwmena gnwrizoyn ti shmainei diapragmateyseis kai me toys etairoys mas, alla kyriws tetoioy eidoys skeceis kai draseis poy na perilambanontai sto mesoproqesmo to opoio, epanalambanw, einai akrws shmantiko gia thn ejodo ths xwras mas apo thn krish , gia mia kalyterh Ellada. 'Ara to na leme hrqe ligo prin h ligo meta ayto adikei aythn thn poly megalh prospaqeia kai den einai qema mias h dyo h triwn ebdomadwn . Edw milame gia to mellon ths xwras mas, to opoio se aythn thn fash toylaxiston pisteyoyme oti diasfalizetai mesa apo to mesoproqesmo kai me tetoion tropo, wste na mporesoyme na allajoyme th xwra. Na mporesoyme na kanoyme tis megales allages, anakoyfismenoi apo tis daneiakes mas anagkes.

MPEKA: Dedomenoy omws oti arxes Ioylioy pame gia thn 5h dosh, den qa prepei mexri arxes Ioylioy na exete kataqesei to mesoproqesmo;

PETALWTHS: Emeis kai ayto fainetai kai apo tis dhlwseis twn etairwn mas, exoyme kanei ta panta wste na peisoyme oti h Ellada proxwraei mprosta gia na mporesoyme na diasfalisoyme thn 5h dosh. Den qa diakindyneyame pote - kai ayth htan kai h agwnia poy bgazame oti an den kanoyme ayta poy prepei, qa yparxei problhma me thn dosh , alla ola ayta poy ginontai ta opoia einai kai akrws paragwgika kai me tis syzhthseis kai me tis alles politikes dynameis kai me to ypoyrgiko symboylio kai me ton KTE, pragmatika qa feroyme mesoproqesmo to opoio qa eggyatai, akribws, to stoxo gia ton opoio qespizetai.

MPEKA: Sxetika me th dhlwsh Mparozo, poy eipe oti peite thn alhqeia ston ellhniko lao, ti exete na sxoliasete;

PETALWTHS: O k. Mparozo apeyqynqhke perissotero se alloys kai oxi sthn kybernhsh. Emeis leme thn alhqeia. O k. Mparozo apeyqynqhke se alles politikes dynameis poy qa prepei na apokthsoyn ypeyqynothta - ayto eipe. Alla, epanalambanw oti oi dhlwseis kai oi apofaseis twn etairwn mas exoyn th shmasia toys kai thn ajia toys. Ayto, omws, poy afora emas kai mas endiaferei, einai na antilhfqoyme oloi to megeqos ths eyqynhs poy exoyme analabei. H kybernhsh to kanei. Qa prepei na to kanoyn kai oi alles politikes dynameis, oxi epeidh to leei kapoios ap` ejw, alla epeidh einai amesh eqnikh epitaktikh anagkh.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Xqes, sthn kritikh poy dexqhke o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn kai oi ypoloipoi ypoyrgoi sto KTE Oikonomikwn, ektima h kybernhsh oti proerxontai apo mia sygkekrimenh pteryga toy PA.SO.K., apo mia sygkekrimenh tash toy PA.SO.K. h genikotera ayth einai mia koinh antilhch, ayto to klima mesa sthn K.O.;

PETALWTHS: O kaqe boyleyths ekfrazetai gia ton eayto toy. Den mporoyme na omadopoioyme kai malista se ena PA.SO.K. poy exei deijei oti jerei na doyleyei, jerei na paleyei stis pio antijoes synqhkes.

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