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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 9 Maioy 2011

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 9 Maioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

H kybernhsh synexizei me synesh, cyxraimia kai ychlo aisqhma eyqynhs th megalh prospaqeia gia thn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish.

Oloklhrwnoyme th meleth gia to mesoproqesmo strathgiko mas sxedio-programma, ejeidikeyontas tis apofaseis poy apaitoyntai.

Aytos o ``odikos xarths'' gia thn oikonomia, thn anaptyjh kai thn koinwnikh synoxh, apotelei to kentro ths prospaqeias mas. Apotelei ena oloklhrwmeno, alla kai realistiko sxedio gia ejodo apo thn krish.

H boylhsh twn politwn na bgaloyn th xwra apo to telma kai h apofasistikothta ths kybernhshs poy apotypwnetai ston ``odiko xarth'', apoteloyn tis megalyteres eggyhseis gia thn ejodo apo thn krish kai gia thn proodo mias allhs Elladas.

H fysh twn pragmatwn poy antimetwpizoyme, to megeqos kai h shmasia toys katadeiknyoyn th megalh anagkh gia symporeysh, gia synainesh sth megalh ayth eqnikh prospaqeia, arkei epiteloys na to antilhfqoyme oloi.

Ayta ta problhmata den lynontai oyte me panikoblhtes diapistwseis ths yparjhs toys, oyte me mhdenistikes perigrafes kai dhmioyrgia entypwsewn. Apaitoyn cyxraimia kai synesh stis apofaseis, alla kai stis prajeis. Apaitoyn thn oysiastikh synainesh olwn twn politikwn kai koinwnikwn dynamewn, me aisqhma eqnikhs eyqynhs, alla kai cyxraimias.

H kybernhsh paramenei proshlwmenh sto ergo ths me nhfaliothta, alla kai apofasistikothta. Exoyme pia synhqisei tis seirhnes ths katastrofologias kai tis antimetwpizoyme edw kai enamish xrono. Toys exoyme ekqesei oloys epaneilhmmena kai ayto qa synexisoyme na kanoyme kai kalo qa htan, malista, ayto na to prattoyme oloi mazi.

O dromos gia thn ejodo apo thn krish einai h proshlwsh stis megales allages poy exei anagkh o topos. Emeis paramenoyme apofasismenoi na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata kai na anatajoyme th xwra.

H apofasistikothta einai gia emas h megalyterh eggyhsh ths ejodoy ths xwras apo thn krish kai ths epityxias ayths ths megalhs prospaqeias poy kanoyme.

Proxwrame mprosta kai mono mprosta kai qa jeperasoyme o,ti mas krata desmioys sto parelqon kai opoiadhpote dyskolia brisketai mprosta mas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Dyo erwthseis: H prwth einai, mhpws mporeite na mas peite tis qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs poy prowqhse o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn sthn atyph ayth syskech toy Loyjemboyrgoy;

H deyterh einai paremferhs, akoysa ton k. Tsipra na zhtaei ta praktika ayths ths synanthshs toy Loyjemboyrgoy apo ton ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, oson afora th synanthsh twn ypoyrgwn Oikonomikwn ths eyrwzwnhs sto Loyjemboyrgo, ayth egine etsi opws, akribws, thn periegrace leptomerws o k. Papakwnstantinoy stis dhlwseis kai anakoinwseis toy. Apo ekei kai pera, emeis ayto poy eixame na kanoyme, htan na ekqesoyme me safhneia kai me jekaqaro tropo to programma poy exoyme ylopoihsei mexri twra, kaqws kai tis proodoys poy exoyme kanei. Fysika kai to mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio, to opoio oloklhrwnoyme ws pros thn epejergasia toy kai to opoio qa katateqei thn epomenh ebdomada sth Boylh. Den allazei tipota gia mas. To monadiko stoixhma gia mas kai h monadikh eggyhsh, to monadiko exeggyo gia na mporesoyme na bgoyme apo thn krish, einai h oloklhrwsh aytoy toy mesoproqesmoy strathgikoy sxediasmoy. Alla, fysika kai h paraqesh twn proodwn poy exoyme kanei gia thn oikonomia kai thn anaptyjh ths xwras mas. Einai jekaqaro oti anagnwristhke h megalh prospaqeia kai h megalh proodos poy kanoyme. Fysika, ayto to opoio epiteloyme einai ena para poly dyskolo ergo. To gnwrizoyme, to apotypwnoyme. Den kryboyme kai den krycame tipota kai ayto einai jekaqaro. Alla, apo edw kai pera, prepei na synexisoyme to sxediasmo ton opoio epejergazomaste. Na synexisoyme ta megala bhmata poy exoyme na kanoyme, wste na ginoyn pio grhgora kai me megalyterh apotelesmatikothta, afoy briskomaste se ena poly krisimo dromo, se ena krisimo stayrodromi, se mia kamph poy einai ejairetikhs shmasias gia tis apofaseis, gia th xwra mas. Gi` ayto, ejalloy, kaloyme oloys na einai nhfalioi, kai cyxraimoi. Na eimaste oloi synetoi, na jefygoyme apo mia senariologia, synwmosiologia kai katastrofologia poy briskoyn edafos sto genikotero reysto politiko kai oikonomiko periballon poy yparxei, oxi mono sth xwra mas, alla kai sthn Eyrwph kai pagkosmiws. Gi` ayto qa prepei oloi, na eimaste dipla prosektikoi kai nhfalioi.

Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, gia allh mia fora, o k. Tsipras kai dystyxws to komma poy ekproswpei me tis synistwses toy, deixnoyn oti den exoyn antilhfqei poy briskontai. Deixnoyn oti exoyn mia teleiws paidariwdh antilhch gia thn politikh zwh toy topoy, alla kai gia ta politika pragmata. Deixnoyn oti tis megales proodoys poy eyaggelizotan kai ekproswpoyse h aristera, dystyxws, tis exoyn jexasei kalyptomenoi pisw apo mia alazoneia, mia ametroepeia kai mia syskotish gia to ti symbainei shmera sth xwra mas, alla kai mia anejhghth qoloyra gia to ti exoyn sto myalo toys, ws pros thn politikh ekbash twn pragmatwn sth xwra mas. Ayth einai h apanthsh moy ston k. Tsipra.

SIDERHS: Eipate oti prepei na synexisete to mesoproqesmo; Qa to synexisete h to jekinate twra apo mhdenikh bash, meta kai thn ektakth synanthsh;

PETALWTHS: Einai jekaqaro oti ek twn pragmatwn den qa mporoysame na jekiname mesoproqesmo sxedio mesa se mia bdomada. Exei ginei mia poly shmantikh kai prosegmenh doyleia, sthn opoia qa periexontai apokratikopoihseis kai h ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias. Bhma pros bhma qetoyme toys stoxoys mas, thn taktikh mas, alla kai th strathgikh mas mexri to 2015. Einai safes, oti se ayth th fash oloklhrwnetai h epejergasia toy. Briskomaste sth fash oloklhrwshs ths epejergasias kai fysika oxi sto jekinhma enos neoy sxediasmoy gia to mesoproqesmo sxedio.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh, prin apo ligo, dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy Ygeias k. Loberdoy, o opoios metajy allwn, tonise oti den qelw na metexw kai na eimai koinwnos, na exw qesh se antifatikes kai nefelwdeis politikes. Eimai sth diaqesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Exei ypobalei paraithsh o k. Loberdos;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw aytes tis dhlwseis toy k. Loberdoy. Ekeino poy gnwrizw, einai oti kanei poly shmantikh doyleia, apo opoio posto kai an exei perasei, me amesa praktika apotelesmata. Fysika, ennoeitai oti den yparxei tetoio zhthma. Giati, kaqe allo para paraithsh dhlwnei kapoios, otan exei na kanei me th beltiwsh kai oysiastika me mia ek neoy antilhch gia to Eqniko Systhma Ygeias. Otan exei epitelesei ergo sto ypoyrgeio Ergasias, me ena asfalistiko to opoio kindyneye na mhn yparxei kai telika exoyme katoxyrwsei kai diasfalisei tis syntajeis gia tis epomenes genies kai oxi mono gia th dikh mas. Kai ayta den prepei na ta jexname. Qa prepei na ta qymomaste otan kapoioi mas kathgoroyn legontas ``kai ti kanate mesa se 18 mhnes;'' Fysika, h olh drash toy k. Loberdoy kaqe allo para paraithsh martyrei.

MOYRELATOS: H kybernhsh probainei se antifatikes kai nefelwdeis politikes tetoies wste na dexetai kai kritikh apo ta dika ths kybernhtika stelexh;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh exei ena dromo. Ayto to dromo prosdiorizei kai epejergazetai me ton kalytero tropo. Kai ta ypoyrgika stelexh ths briskontai sthn prwth grammh aytoy toy sxediasmoy kai ths ylopoihshs.

TSIKRIKA: O k. Loberdos, metajy allwn, ekane kai dyo protaseis. Eipe oti to epikairopoihmeno mnhmonio na paei sth Boylh kai na chfistei me ayjhmenh pleiochfia, dhladh, na einai proion synaineshs. Proteinei na allajei o tropos poy ginetai h diapragmateysh me thn troika kai na mhn bazei thn ypografh toy mono o k. Papakwnstantinoy stis opoies apofaseis, alla synolika, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Einai aytes qeseis poy ekfrazoyn thn kybernhsh; Mporei ayth h protash toy k. Loberdoy na brei edafos mesa sthn kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Mesa se dyskolo kai poly reysto politiko topio, poly proklhtiko kai elkystiko gia kapoion o opoios exei politikes apoceis, oi proseggiseis mporei na einai polles kai diafores. To na yparxoyn apoceis einai epibeblhmeno. Einai kati to opoio exei anagkh h politikh zwh kai makari ola ayta ta xronia kai tis dekaeties poy mas perasan, na eixame genikws apoceis poy na einai tekmhriwmenes. Kai ayto to lew xwris na isopedwnw, fysika, tipota. Alla, toylaxiston, se ayth th dyskolh stigmh poy briskomaste mono gonimo mporei na einai na exei kapoios politikes apoceis, tis opoies malista tis fernei kai ws protaseis opoy xreiazetai. Einai shmantiko to na exoyme dialogo. Einai shmantiko na ekfrazetai h agwnia kai h anhsyxia me poly gonimo kai qetiko tropo apo ta stelexh kai toys ypoyrgoys. Sto plaisio ayto einai oi dhlwseis kai oi protaseis toy k. Loberdoy.

SIDERHS: Ep` aytoy. Einai dynaton na lete oti einai gonimes oi protaseis, otan einai diaforetikes af` hs stigmhs kanei protaseis epi akrogwniaiwn liqwn ths politikhs sas, opws as poyme, h epikairopoihsh toy mnhmonioy na perasei apo ayjhmenh pleiochfia h h opoia epikairopoihsh na mhn ypografetai mono apo ton k. Papakwnstantinoy, alla apo oloys toys ypoyrgoys; Ayta einai akrogwniaioi liqoi ths politikhs sas kai qa eprepe na ta eixe proteinei prwta sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. To exei kanei;

PETALWTHS: O k. Loberdos exei apoceis kai tis ekfrazei. H syzhthsh kai oi protaseis safws erxontai sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai an yparjei apofash qa lhfqei ekei. Ayto den shmainei oti oi ypoyrgoi den qa exoyn apoceis kai protaseis, opoydhpote alloy. Einai shmantiko, se kybernhtiko epipedo, na exoyme mia koinh synistamenh, mia syllogikh apofash kai sto telos ayto fysika yparxei. Mporei na breite skorpies apoceis kai protaseis pollwn ypoyrgwn, oi opoies einai qetikotates h alles ligotero qetikes. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, oi apofaseis lambanontai sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, opoy armodiws erxontai kai proteinontai oi taktikes kai oi politikes ths kybernhshs. Ayto, bebaia, den shmainei oti ta politika mas stelexh qa prepei na exoyn sigh asyrmatoy ektos Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

MIXAHL: Hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: H epejergasia poy kanei h kybernhsh sto mesoproqesmo programma, h opoia qa oloklhrwqei to epomeno diasthma, allwste qa to kataqesete mexri thn allh ebdomada, pisteyete oti eparkei, einai arketh dhladh, wste na peisqoyn kai oi pistwtes mas, alla kai oi agores, oti pragmati ginetai mia doyleia poy mporei na efarmostei h einai anoikth (h kybernhsh) se peraiterw syzhthseis kai tropopoihseis meta thn opoiadhpote dikh mas chfish;

PETALWTHS: Gia mas, to megalo stoixhma einai ayto: Na oloklhrwsoyme thn epejergasia me ton pio acogo kai analytiko tropo kai na ginei h kalyterh doyleia se epipedo sxediasmoy. Fysika, to megalo stoixhma einai na mporesoyme na ylopoihsoyme aytes tis poly shmantikes kai poly kainotomes apofaseis mas. Kai apo ekei kai pera, pragmatika, qa kriqoyme kai apo tis agores, giati ekei egkeitai to apotelesma aytoy toy stoixhmatos. Alla qa kriqoyme kai apo toys etairoys mas kai fysika apo toys idioys toys polites, oi opoioi kaqhmerinws ajiologoyn thn politikh mas kai mas empisteyontai h den mas empisteyontai. Emeis exoyme analabei ena ejairetika shmantiko ergo, ena ergo prwtognwro se ena toso syntomo kai pykno xroniko diasthma, molis enamish xronoy. Mexri twra exoyme kanei tomes kai metarryqmiseis kai exoyme parei apofaseis poy den qa dienoeito kamia kybernhsh na tis labei se xroniko orizonta dekaetiwn. Apo ekei kai pera, oloklhrwnontas kai ayto to mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio, symposoyntai kai oi apofaseis tis opoies exoyme parei mesa s' ayto to diasthma. Fysika, qa yparxoyn proteraiothtes. Fysika, qa yparjei mia tajh sthn ylopoihsh aytwn twn apofasewn. Kai epiprosqetws, gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti oso tolmhroi eimaste ston sxediasmo, toso apofasistikoi qa prepei na eimaste kai sthn ylopoihsh aytoy toy sxediasmoy. Ayth einai h entolh poy yparxei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Kai aytes tis entoles ylopoioyn oi ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs. Mprosta mas einai h megalh proklhsh poy exoyme na ylopoihsoyme me ton kalytero, ton pio syntomo kai ton pio dynato kai apofasistiko tropo, tis megales aytes allages tis opoies sxediazoyme kai apo ekei krinomaste. Apo ekei krinetai kai h tyxh twn politikwn mas sthn oikonomia. Emeis, pantws, exoyme apodeijei oti ayth h kybernhsh den logariazei to politiko kostos. Ayth h kybernhsh den einai kybernhsh ths ``kopwshs'' kai toy ``as' to gia argotera'', opws ekanan alles kybernhseis. Den einai kybernhsh na diakatexetai apo enan akrato laikismo, opws shmera ta kommata ths aristeras mas protrepoyn na kanoyme. Einai kybernhsh ths eyqynhs, ths apofasistikothtas, ths syllogikothtas kai para to poly dyskolo periballon sto opoio politeyetai, deixnei oti mporei na lambanei kai megales apofaseis kai sygxronws na tis ylopoiei.

MIXAHL: O Prwqypoyrgos, oso ki eseis, exete apokleisei, sthn paroysa fash, kathgorhmatika, to endexomeno prowrwn eklogwn. Qelw, loipon, na gnwrizw, ean oi protaseis kai ejeidikeyseis poy qa kanete sto mesoproqesmo programma, ef' oson kriqoyn oti den ikanopoioyn oyte tis agores, oyte toys pistwtes mas kai zhthsoyn peraiterw ejeidikeyseis (metra, politikes, kinhseis apo thn ellhnikh pleyra) qa teqei yp' ocin toy ellhnikoy laoy mia tetoia prooptikh;

PETALWTHS: Eseis qesate ola ta zhthmata mazi. Ayto einai mia ypoqesh ergasias, poly qewrhtikh, h opoia proypoqetei na mhn exoyme kanei kalo sxediasmo, proypoqetei na mhn exoyme efarmosei ton sxediasmo mas ayto kai na anagkastoyme na pame se ekloges k.lp., opws lete. Gi' ayto emeis leme oti ta senaria den mas aforoyn. Ayto poy exoyme mprosta mas na kanoyme, einai na oloklhrwsoyme ton mesoproqesmo sxediasmo mas mesa s' ayth thn ebdomada poy mas erxetai, na ton kataqesoyme kai apo ekei kai pera na deijoyme oti eimaste apofasismenoi na ylopoihsoyme kai na pragmatopoihsoyme tis megales allages. Ta senaria - yparkta kai anyparkta - poy akoyme na erxontai apo pantoy, einai para polla. Emeis ofeiloyme na eggyomaste - kai ayto kanoyme - thn ejodo ths xwras mas apo thn krish, mesa apo sygkekrimenes taktikes kai strathgikes, mesa apo th synepeia poy ofeiloyme na deijoyme ws ellhniko kratos, ws ellhnikh Politeia kai ws kyriarxh kybernhsh. Gia mas, ayto kai monon einai mprosta mas. Apo ekei kai pera, ennoeitai oti den prokeitai na afhsoyme na paei ``strafi'' olo o,ti kaname mexri shmera, opoies qysies exei ypostei o ellhnikos laos. Olo ayto to sxediasmo me tis megales allages alla kai tis tomes kai metarryqmiseis sthn prajh poy kaname kai ayto fysika qa to katoxyrwsoyme me oloys toys tropoys. Synepws, den tiqetai zhthma eklogwn, den tiqetai zhthma nomimopoihshs mias politikhs, h opoia einai politikh swthrias gia th xwra.

SPANOY: Omws, ginetai kai mia allh syzhthsh poy exei na kanei me th diaxeirish toy xreoys, daneiakes dieykolynseis kai me nea daneiodothsh, ef' oson den mporoyme na bgoyme stis agores poy einai kai to piqanotero kai malista me eggyhsh thn perioysia toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. Tetoioy eidoys apofaseis den xreiazontai nomimopoihsh, ef' oson dromologhqoyn kai oristikopoihqoyn;

PETALWTHS: H erwthsh sas edrazetai epi mias lian qewrhtikhs basews kai periexei poly trabhgmena senaria. Emeis ejakoloyqoyme na leme oti, gia mas, h monadikh eggyhsh einai h doyleia poy kanoyme, h monadikh eggyhsh einai h apofasistikothta poy deixnoyme olo ayto to diasthma, thn opoia thn kanoyme akomh pio sqenarh, akomh pio efarmosimh kai pio praktikh. Kai an pragmatika petyxoyme na dwsoyme to stigma kai stoys etairoys kai stis agores, den yparxei zhthma na milame gia alla senaria. Epimenw oti gia mas stoxos mas einai enas, apo ton opoio kai den jefeygoyme: H ylopoihsh toy oloklhrwmenoy sxediasmoy poy kanoyme ayth th stigmh.

PAPAXRHSTOY: O k. Gioynker dhlwse meta th synanthsh ths Paraskeyhs oti epikratei mallon h apoch pws h Ellada xreiazetai neo sxedio. Eseis pws thn ermhneyete kai pws thn sxoliazete ayth th dhlwsh; Kai den mporoyme na ermhneysoyme oti h Ellada, pragmati, syzhta epimhkynsh twn daneiwn poy exei labei kai meiwsh twn epitokiwn ths;

PETALWTHS: Oi syzhthseis poy ginontai se qewrhtiko epipedo, armodiws kai anarmodiws, einai polles. Alles exoyn pragmatikh bash kai alles basizontai se senaria episthmonikhs fantasias. Gi' ayto akribws emeis epimenoyme oti mprosta mas exoyme mono sygkekrimenh proklhsh: H proklhsh einai na sxediasoyme, na oloklhrwsoyme ton sxediasmo mas kai na ylopoihsoyme tis apofaseis mas. Tipote allo, ayth th stigmh, den prepei na mas kanei na afistameqa toy stoxoy mas. O stoxos einai poly shmantikos kai ef' oson mporoyme kai ton ylopoioyme, den kindyneyoyme apo tipote kai ws ek toytoy den xreiazetai na syzhtame alla senaria. Epeidh, omws, to periballon einai reysto, epeidh to periballon einai dyskolo, gi' ayto akribws xreiazetai synesh, hremia, nhfaliothta, cyxraimia kai apofasistikothta. Stoixeia poy h ellhnikh kybernhsh ta diaqetei.

TSIKRIKA: Xrhsimopoihsate sth shmerinh enhmerwsh sas kat' epanalhch, tis lejeis ``synainesh'', ``cyxraimia'' k.lp. H N.D. oysiastika sas kathgorei oti kanate mia synanthsh sto Loyjemboyrgo en kryptw, den yphrxe enhmerwsh kai zhta na yparjei enhmerwsh. Mexri stigmhs den exei yparjei apanthsh ths kybernhshs. Einai, nomizw, eylogo na anarwthqei kaneis posh synainesh mporei na yparxei se ena tetoio periballon. Kai ean moy epitrepete, kati akomh: Sth synanthsh toy Loyjemboyrgoy teqhke kai to qema ths ypoqhkeyshs ths dhmosias perioysias ws antallagma se mia seira metrwn...

PETALWTHS: Ws eggyhsh, profanws, ennoeite. Qa jekinhsw, loipon, apo to teleytaio, giati qa epanalabw ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws: Gia mas, h monadikh eggyhsh einai h doyleia kai to ergo poy kanoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, h N.D. profanws den gnwrizei ti ginetai se eyrwpaiko periballon, pws kineitai h eyrwpaikh politikh zwh, ypo thn ennoia twn Symboyliwn, pws sygkaloyntai, pragma poy o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy me analytiko tropo exei hdh ejhghsei. Profanws, loipon, gia th N.D. ayta einai ``cila grammata''. Dystyxws, to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs taytizetai me yperbolikes, laikistikes kai akraies topoqethseis, gia to pws prepei na ginetai ayth h enhmerwsh. Apo ekei kai pera, emeis epimenoyme: Hmastan emeis aytoi poy apo thn prwth stigmh legame, akomh kai prin jediplwqei to megeqos ths krishs poy pername, pws apaiteitai synainesh stis dyskoles stigmes poy dierxetai h xwra mas. Ayto, h N.D., oxi aplws den to dexqhke, to polemhse kai to polema mexri shmera. Ejhghsame oti synainesh den shmainei egkataleich twn politikwn qesewn kai twn proseggisewn toy kaqenos. Synainesh shmainei mia stoixeiwdhs sygklish se sygkekrimena shmeia panw se eqnikoys stoxoys kai skopoys, prokeimenoy na swqei h xwra. H N.D., gia fqhnoys, mikropolitikoys kai laikistikoys logoys, thn exei aporricei sthn prajh. Akomh de kai shmera, sthn katastash poy biwnoyme, otan emeis me to mesoproqesmo sxedio kalesame th N.D., opws kai ta alla kommata, eggrafws malista, na erqoyn kai na syzhthsoyme, prokeimenoy na diapistwsoyme poia einai ta stoixeia sygklishs se ena sxedio poy jeperna ton xroniko orizonta mias kybernhtikhs qhteias, mesa se elaxisto xroniko diasthma, poly grhgora, mesa se ena tetarto ths wras, aperrican thn protash mas, prin kan doyn ti exoyme na proteinoyme s' ayto to mesoproqesmo sxedio. Emeis, en pash periptwsei, erxomaste kai kataqetoyme to mesoproqesmo sxedio mesa se liges meres, enw h N.D. krata ``kleista ta xartia ths'', ta opoia qelei na ``anoijei'' sto Zappeio 2. Antilambanomaste loipon pws blepoyme to mellon ths xwras o kaqe politikos sxhmatismos. Kai otan emeis erxomaste kai leme oti edw exoyme mia katastash poy einai poly dyskolh kai thn anagnwrizoyme, mia katastash poy anagnwrizoyn kai oi Eyrwpaioi etairoi mas oti xrhzei mias dynamikothtas, h N.D. erxetai kai leei ``emeis den qa sas poyme kan ti proteinoyme, gia na mhn mas klecete tis idees kai qa to poyme sto Zappeio 2'', to opoio malista anaballetai apo bdomada se bdomada kai apo mera se mera. Dhladh, tetoia mikropolitikh kai tetoia laikistikh politikh einai monon taytoshmh mias eqnikhs aneyqynothtas, apo thn opoia dystyxws xarakthrizetai kai diakatexetai h N.D.

TSIKRIKA: Gia thn ypoqhkeysh ths dhmosias perioysias;

PETALWTHS: Den kanoyme logo gia senaria. Epimenw oti mesa s' ayto to klima exoyn akoystei senaria poy einai episthmonikhs fantasias kai alla ta opoia proseggizoyn perissotero thn pragmatikothta. Emas, ta senaria ayta den mas aforoyn. Alimono an mpoyme se tetoia logikh kai syzhtame tetoioy eidoys eggyhseis! Emeis, ayto poy exoyme na kanoyme einai na kanoyme th doyleia mas me ton kalytero tropo.

SIDERHS: Prohgoymenws, sthn apanthsh sas gia ton k. Gioynker, eipate oti yparxei mia syzhthsh poy allote basizetai se swsth bash kai allote se senaria fantasias. O k. Gioynker se poia apo tis dyo periptwseis entassetai;

PETALWTHS: Egw to eipa genikws kai den to eipa mono gia ton k. Gioynker.

SIDERHS: Qa qelame na jeroyme se poia apo tis dyo periptwseis entassetai.

PETALWTHS: Den entassetai se kamia bash kai periptwsh. Emeis, ws ypeyqynh kybernhsh, exoyme th dikh mas qewrhsh twn pragmatwn. Kanoyme tis dikes mas protaseis. Anakoinwnoyme tis protaseis mas. Kai lambanoyme tis dikes mas apofaseis. H proxqesinh synanthsh sto Loyjemboyrgo eixe ena sygkekrimeno xarakthra, etsi opws ton anelyse o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy kai menoyme ekei. Ola ta alla einai qewrhtika kai kinoyntai sto epipedo ths anazhthshs toy ti symbainei edw ki ekei. Emeis exoyme sygkekrimeno sxediasmo, sygkekrimeno ergo mprosta mas.

SIDERHS: Yparxei mia protash apo th legomenh antisysthmikh Aristera na ginei enas logistikos elegxos gia ta oikonomika ths xwras se baqos xronoy, opws egine sto Ekoyador. Giati h kybernhsh den to apodexetai, mporei sto telos na apekdyqeite tis eyqynes sas kai na fanei oti ``oloi mazi ta fagame''.

PETALWTHS: Ti ennoeite otan lete antisysthmikh Aristera;

SIDERHS: H Aristera poy einai ektos Koinoboylioy.

PETALWTHS: Ennoeite thn ejwkoinoboyleytikh Aristera.

SIDERHS: Nai. Kai zhtaei na dhmioyrghqei mia epitroph dieqnoys kyroys na kanei ton elegxo gia na dei poy phgan ta xrhmata. Na koitajei thn poreia toy xreoys se baqos xronoy.

PETALWTHS: ... kai mexri tote qa exoyme xreokophsei...

SIDERHS: H kybernhsh qa kanei th doyleia ths. Eteron ekateron.

PETALWTHS:To na prospaqoyme na swsoyme th xwra mas, to na prospaqoyme na mh xreokophsoyme opws kaname edw kai enamish xrono, to na prospaqoyme na eimaste ajiopistoi synomilhtes kai twn etairwn mas alla kai twn politwn, den synadei me tetoioy eidoys pyrotexnhmata poy einai laikistika kai trofodotoyn me froydes elpides toys polites oti mporei na mas xaristei to xreos to opoio den ofeiloyme h qa prepei na cajoyme twra an to ofeiloyme.

Exoyme na kanoyme me ektaktes synqhkes. Exoyme na kanoyme me ypografes ths xwras mas tis opoies prepei na timame kai jafnika epeidh breqhkame ws xwra aqwrakistoi mesa se mia krish, pairnontas daneia ola ayta ta xronia kai mhn ejetazontas pws qa ta apoplhrwsoyme, na kanoyme mia logikh diaxeirish, twra anakalycame oti mporoyme na amfisbhthsoyme to oti xrwstame, thn wra poy ypotiqetai oti eprepe na eixame plhrwsei ta xreh mas edw kai megalo xroniko diasthma. Ayto einai akratos laikismos. An kapoioi mporesoyn kai mas apodeijoyn oti to xreos mas den einai ayto poy prepei na plhrwsoyme, poly eyxaristws na to yioqethsoyme kai emeis, alla milame gia mia stoixeiwdh sobarothta kai gia mia logikh proseggish kai oxi sto epipedo toy laikismoy sto opoio briskontai aytoi poy to kykloforoyn shmera.

PAPAXRHSTOY: Anaferqhkate se orismena senaria poy einai episthmonikhs fantasias kai alla poy einai pio prosita sthn pragmatikothta. Antilambanomai oti h ejodos apo to eyrw einai episthmonikh fantasia. Qa xarakthrizate prosita sthn pragmatikothta ta senaria poy milane gia epimhkynsh toy daneioy kai meiwsh twn epitokiwn;

PETALWTHS: Den qa mpw se senaria. Oi qewrhtikes syzhthseis poy mporei na ginontai armodiws kai anarmodiws, se polla epipeda kai se polla merh kai apo polloys kai diaforoys, einai toses polles poy alimono an prospaqhsoyme na tis proseggisoyme gia na tis ejhghsoyme. Epanalambanw, oti apofasistikh boylhsh ths kybernhshs- kai ayto einai poy dhlwnoyme kai pros toys etairoys mas - einai na kanoyme to ergo mas, poy einai poly sobaro kai apaitei proshlwsh kai sobarothta. Gia ayto akribws den syzhtame, den sxoliazoyme senaria kai protaseis poy mas erxontai apo pantoy opws ayth poy apanthsa prohgoymenws.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Exw dyo erwthseis. Kat' arxas qa hqela na moy peite an qewreite me ena kalo kai ajiopisto mesoproqesmo programma qa stamathsoyn tetoioy eidoys senaria h en pash periptwsei den qa xreiastei mia nea diapragmateysh gia thn meta th lhjh aytoy toy mnhmonioy periodo. Kai deytero, epeidh parathrw oti yparxoyn shmera ypoyrgoi, o k. Papoytshs milaei gia dhmosio elegxo sth DEH, gnwrizw oti to idio yposthrizei o Prwqypoyrgos legontas oti me to 34% qa exoyme dhmosio elegxo. Alla xqes h k. Katselh eipe oti ayto einai ena antikeimeno syzhthshs. Yparxei eilhmmenh apofash gia to ti qa ginei telika sth DEH;

PETALWTHS: Gia to ti qa ginei sth DEH kaqws kai stis alles epixeirhseis koinhs wfeleias qa apofasistei kai typika me thn kataqesh toy mesoproqesmoy programmatos gia tis apokratikopoihseis sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Yparxei sxedio kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos exei topoqethqei gia th DEH kai ayto qa einai kai h apofash ths kybernhshs. To na kanoyme diaforetikes proseggiseis apo kapoies apoceis boyleytwn h ypoyrgwn poy bgainoyn pros ta ejw einai laqos. Emeis ayto poy exoyme na kanoyme, einai na doyme thn koinh synistamenh poy einai na bgaloyme th xwra apo thn krish. Kai fysika, gia to dhmosio elegxo eipame oti qa diathrhqei o dhmosios elegxos me apofash ths kybernhshs. Einai jekaqaro.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kai gia to mesoproqesmo programma an qewreite oti meta thn oloklhrwsh toy qa pacoyn tetoioy eidoys syzhthseis h den qa xreiastei nea diapragmateysh;

PETALWTHS: Oso pio kala sxediasmeno to exoyme kai oso pio kala ylopoioyme tis apofaseis mas, toso ligoteres qa einai oi piqanothtes na qeloyme na kanoyme peraiterw syzhthseis. Epanalambanw oti gia mas einai poly shmantiko - kai o stoxos olwn aytwn - na mporesoyme na bgoyme stis agores to 2012. Kai fysika, mesa ap` ola ayta, einai h ejygiansh toy dhmosioy tomea kai kyriws na doqei mia anaptyjiakh wqhsh sthn oikonomia. Ean pragmatika kataferoyme ayta, tote ta riska kai oi kindynoi poy qa exoyme na antimetwpisoyme, sigoyra qa einai poly ligoteroi.

Sas eyxaristw.

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