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Pempth, 14 Aprilioy 2011

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 14 Aprilioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

H kybernhsh qa paroysiasei ayrio to plaisio Eqnikoy Sxediasmoy gia thn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish, alla kai th genikoterh prooptikh ths. Ginetai jekaqaro oti den prokeitai gia ena synolo memonwmenwn parembasewn h apospasmatikwn ajiopoihsewn h ypagoreymenwn apo mia proswrinh logikh epeigontos.

Antiqeta, prokeitai gia ena strathgiko programma gia thn oikonomia kai thn anaptyjh, entagmeno se ena plhres, alla kai sygkekrimeno plaisio anaforas, filosofias kai praktikhs, poy qetei toys pylwnes gia thn kybernhtikh drasthriothta, gia tis prooptikes kai to mellon ths xwras.

Epipleon, ginetai jekaqaro oti ws ena eqniko strathgiko programma yperbainei kata poly tis apaithseis mias aplhs oikonomikhs ejygianshs, oso kai an einai krisimes kai paroyses kai gia tis opoies doyleyoyme edw kai megalo xroniko diasthma.

To mesoproqesmo strathgiko programma antikatoptrizei ton eqniko sxediasmo gia thn oikonomia, gia thn anaptyjh kai thn koinwnikh synoxh ths xwras.

Sxediazei strathgika thn ejygiansh kai thn endynamwsh ths oikonomias, me stoxo na thn katasthsei isxyrh kai ejwstrefh. Ton sxediasmo ayto, ton kaqista strathgiko kai makroproqesmo, ypotagmeno, oxi sth logikh ths antimetwpishs twn trexontwn problhmatwn alla sth dhmioyrgia basewn gia to mellon ths idias ths xwras.

Prowqei kai enisxyei thn ygih anaptyjh. Anaptyjh poy na sthrizetai se mia isxyrh oikonomia, thn opoia enisxyei peraiterw. Anaptyjh basismenh sthn ejwstrefeia, thn antagwnistikothta kai thn kainotomia, mesa sto plaisio enos synolikoy eqnikoy sxediasmoy poy protassei ena sygxrono kai strathgiko anaptyjiako montelo.

Dhmioyrgei tis baseis gia mia pragmatikh koinwnikh synoxh. Ayth poy phgazei apo thn ygih anaptyjh, mesa se ena isxyro periballon.

Panw ap` ola, omws, prokeitai gia ena programma poy qetei stoxoys ylopoihsimoys kai realistikoys, qetei ta xronodiagrammata gia thn ektelesh toys kaqws kai toys mhxanismoys poy qa ejasfalizoyn thn ektelesh ayth.

Aytes einai oi shmantikes kainotomies toy programmatos.

Gia prwth fora sth xwra mas, h oikonomia, h anaptyjh kai h koinwnikh synoxh den ginontai antilhptoi ws jexwristoi kai polles fores allhlosygkroyomenoi h allhloanairoymenoi stoxoi, alla ws amesa demena kai allhloejartwmena stoixeia mias ygioys oikonomias kai anaptyjhs poy sthrizei, alla kai sthrizetai apo mia synektikh kai isxyrh koinwnia.

Gia prwth fora sth xwras mas aytoi oi stoxoi oxi mono enwnontai, alla sxediazontai makroproqesma kai strathgika, opws ofeiloyme na sxediazoyme mia eqnikh prospaqeia. To shmantiko strathgiko ayto sxedio, ofeiloyme oloi mas na to antimetwpisoyme me sobarh ajiopistia, me sobarothta, me synepeia, poy apaitei h embeleia toy kai h shmasia toy, makria apo eykairiakes logikes mhdenismoy kai anejodhs kritikhs. Ofeiloyme na to antimetwpisoyme opws einai, dhladh ws mia eqnikh prospaqeia, sxediasmenh me gnwmona thn ejygiansh ths oikonomias, ths anaptyjhs kai ths sthrijhs ths koinwnias.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIDIROGLOY: Fobatai h kybernhsh antarsia h an qelete diaforopoihsh boyleytwn ths pleiochfias, enocei ths kataqeshs sth Boylh toy mesoproqesmoy paketoy metrwn; Piezontai oi boyleytes me thn apeilh eklogwn;

PETALWTHS: Emas, ayto poy mas endiaferei einai na bgoyme mprosta me ena sxedio poy bgazei th xwra mas apo thn krish. Me ena sxedio poy dhmioyrgei prooptikh sth xwra mas. Kai fysika, ayto to sxedio exei poly megalo eyros syzhthshs, qa perilambanei ena megalo plhqos zhthmatwn, qa exei polles parametroys kai paragontes gia na mporesei h xwra mas na paei mprosta. Oi boyleytes mas, oi boyleytes ayths ths periodoy, oi opoioi sthrizoyn to kybernhtiko ergo - kai sthrijh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy den einai aplws na zhtame na to chfisoyn, h sthrijh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy ginetai mesa apo mia eyreia syzhthsh, mesa sta organa poy symmetexoyn kai mesa sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada- einai aytoi poy pragmatika dinoyn kai to sthrigma kai th dynamh sthn kybernhsh na proxwrhsei se ayto poy kanei edw kai ena megalo xroniko diasthma. Synepws, emeis den qa mporoysame na blepoyme to rolo twn boyleytwn ws atoma poy erxontai kai chfizoyn h katachfizoyn. Mesa s` ayton ton strathgiko sxediasmo poy exoyme egkleiontai kai perikleiontai oles oi agwnies poy exoyn ekfrastei kata diasthmata, oles oi protaseis twn boyleytwn kai fysika, oles oi qeseis oi opoies exoyn diamorfwqei mesa apo mia dyskolh poreia, h opoia, fysika, apaitei enan eidiko sxediasmo. Kai oi boyleytes, ennoeitai, oti mesa s` ayto to plaisio antimetwpizan kai antimetwpizoyn kai ayton to sxediasmo kai sthn ayrianh Koinoboyleytikh Omada, qa ekfrastoyn. Synepws den tiqetai gia mas tetoio zhthma.

KOYTRAS: Den tiqetai qema antarsias, ennoeite profanws. Qema dilhmmatos eklogwn apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, opws afhnei na ennohqei shmera megalh merida toy Typoy, tiqetai;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei tetoio qema kai o,ti kykloforei ws dilhmma einai ceydepigrafo, giati to eidame kai xqes kai shmera grammeno. Den tiqetai tetoio zhthma. Ayto poy qetei o Prwqypoyrgos, einai to sxedio na paei h xwra mprosta. Einai kai eimaste katwteroi twn peristasewn, osoi prospaqoyme na doyme ws mia eykairia anejodhs politikhs antiparaqeshs h ws mia eykairia dhmioyrgias ypotiqemenwn sygkroysewn mesa sto idio to PA.SO.K., ena tetoio sxedio, giati aytos o sxediasmos einai h elpida sto na bgoyme mprosta. Gia prwth fora, ginetai mia sobarh doyleia, yparxei mia sobarotath antimetwpish, me ena makroproqesmo orizonta, o opoios qa eprepe na yparxei edw kai para polla xronia, gia na mh badizoyme sta tyfla, opws badise polles fores h xwra mas. Synepws, olo ayto poy ginetai yperbainei mia syzhthsh peri chfoy h oxi. Einai jekaqaro oti den tiqentai tetoia zhthmata, tetoia dilhmmata ap` ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ayto poy qetei o Prwqypoyrgos, einai na analogistoyn oloi tis eyqynes toys, boyleytes, politikes dynameis, koinwnikes dynameis, etsi wste mesa ap` ayto to sxediasmo, epiteloys na mporoyme na milhsoyme sygkekrimena gia ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish, alla kai gia thn poreia ths meta apo thn ejodo ayth. Einai sobares oi stigmes poy pername, edw kai enamish xrono. Stigmes oi opoies dhmioyrghsan se oloys mas kai empeiries kai eykairies, sto na janadoyme to rolo mas: Ton politiko, ton oikonomiko kai ton koinwniko.

KOYTRAS: Ayrio qa akoysoyme sygkekrimena pragmata h qa akoysoyme ena geniko plaisio to opoio qa ejeidikeyqei to epomeno xroniko diasthma; Kai to lew ayto giati kykloforoyn diafores plhrofories oti den yparxei h telikh morfh aytoy toy sxedioy. Eidame kai xqes thn k. Diamantopoyloy na exei symfwnhsei se alla kai na ths zhteitai kati allo. Yparxei tetoio qema; Poios qa einai o tropos paroysiashs, ayto qelw na rwthsw.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, oi ypoyrgoi kanoyn mia poly shmantikh doyleia kai fysika exoyn synergasia kai metajy toys kaqws kai me ton Prwqypoyrgo, giati ena sxedio tetoioy eidoys den qa mporoyse na ginetai qewrhtika h na grafetai se ena grafeio. H doyleia poy ginetai einai syllogikh kai synolikh. Me th symbolh olwn, perikleiontai oi draseis kai oi politikes olwn twn ypoyrgeiwn mesa s` ayto to sxedio poy qa paroysiastei. Den qa einai mia lista kapoiwn drasewn, poy qa htan poly eykolo na thn ejaggeiloyme. Einai ena oloklhrwmeno plaisio anaforas strathgikoy sxediasmoy, poy deixnei kai thn poreia ths xwras. Dhmioyrgei dromologhmena bhmata. Einai sygkekrimeno se tetoio baqmo poy na peiqei, alla kai na orizei kai tis politikes mas draseis, apo edw kai pera. Perigrafei kai to pneyma kai th filosofia, gia to pws mporoyme na bgoyme apo thn krish kai na doyme thn poreia ths xwras mas meta apo aythn.

MPEQANH: Epeidh einai megalo to endiaferon gia to ti qa akoysoyme ayrio apo ton Prwqypoyrgo gia tis apofaseis twn kybernhtikwn organwn, giati yparxei ena poly asxhmo klima poy exei diamorfwqei olo ayto to teleytaio diasthma, me antifatikes dhlwseis poy akoyme apo ajiwmatoyxoys ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs, oi opoies dhmioyrgoyn amfibolia ean telika qa piasoyn topo oi qysies twn politwn, kati poy exei pei h kybernhsh. Akoysame xqes ton k. Soimple poy eqese to qema ths anadiarqrwshs. Thn idia wra kai apo stelexh dika sas, apo boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos erxetai ayto to qema, na pame eqelontika na synennohqoyme me toys etairoys mas gia anadiarqrwsh. Epishs, akoyme kai apo ton legomeno pneymatiko kosmo, apo dhlwseis poy kanoyn sta mesa enhmerwshs, oti den yparxei elpida.

PETALWTHS: Poios akribws einai o pneymatikos kosmos poy kanei tetoies dhlwseis;

MPEQANH: Egw, toylaxiston, akoyga shmera to prwi ton k. Mpeh, alla kai alloys kaqhghtes poy exoyn pei oti den bgainei to programma, oti den yparxei elpida gia ton topo. Kai opws oloi fantazomai oi polites poy agwnioyn kai qeloyme na doyme an pragmati oi qysies mas qa piasoyn topo, yparxei ena ajiopisto programma; Qa akoysoyme kati sygkekrimeno ayrio apo ton Prwqypoyrgo poy qa apanta se olo ayto to klima twn teleytaiwn hmerwn;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, to klima dhmioyrgeitai apo anqrwpoys oi opoioi gnwrizoyn kai apo anqrwpoys oi opoioi den gnwrizoyn. Einai poly eykolo kai poly dhmofiles, na bgainei kaqenas kai na leei thn apoch toy. Qelw na pw oti kapoioi to kanoyn kaloproaireta kai kapoioi to kanoyn aplws gia na yparxoyn sthn epikairothta. Safestata, einai dikaiologhmeno kai einai eylogo na yparxei amfibolia, amfisbhthsh kai na ekfrazetai agwnia gia to poy pame. Emeis kai mesa ap' ayton ton sxediasmo poy qa paroysiastei ayrio apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, alla kai mesa apo thn drash mas, exoyme deijei kai qa deijoyme perissotero apo edw kai pera - giati qa einai pio organwmenh h prajh mas- oti safws pisteyoyme kai exoyme programma sto na bgoyme apo thn krish. Ean pisteyame oti den bgainei qa to legame ston ellhniko lao kai qa teleiwne. Qa legame ``etsi exoyn ta pragmata'', ``ayta einai ta dedomena'', ``den bgainoyme''. Alla emeis den egkataleipoyme thn prospaqeia. Eimaste pepeismenoi oti ayta poy kanoyme dinoyn diejodo se o,ti zoyme shmera kai se o,ti pername olo ayto to xroniko diasthma.

Oi qysies toy 'Ellhna polith, safws, kai qa piasoyn topo. Ta peri anadiarqrwshs, kapoies fores einai qewrhtikes anazhthseis kai analyseis anqrwpwn poy den exoyn ola ta dedomena. Kai ayto einai jekaqaro. Akomh kai anqrwpwn poy gnwrizoyn oikonomika kai mporoyn na poyn thn apoch toys kai kala kanoyn poy th lene. Alla ta dedomena kai tis apofaseis tis exei h kybernhsh kai to kratos. Kai h kybernhsh - h politeia- einai ayth poy apofasizei. Fysika, emeis, gia allh mia fora, leme oti den yparxei qema anadiarqrwshs. Kai malista, twra poy qa paroysiasoyme enan eqniko strathgiko sxediasmo, to na epimenoyn kapoioi mexri teleytaia stigmh gia anadiarqrwsh kai na dhmioyrgoyn mia filologia kai kyriws parafilologia, panw s' ayto to zhthma, den nomizw oti symballoyn me thn prajh toys ayth sto na dwsoyme ena diaforetiko periexomeno se o,ti pisteyei kaneis ws ejodo apo thn krish.

Ayto poy mporoyme na poyme sigoyra einai oti oi qysies toy ellhnikoy laoy qa piasoyn topo. Hdh, pianoyn topo. Na ypenqymisw oti hdh jefygame apo ton kindyno ths xreokopias. Osoi miloysan gia xreokopia kai apodeixqhke oti den xreokophsame, polloi apo aytoys miloyn gia anadiarqrwsh, pisteyontas oti prosferoyn kai yphresies. Kapoioi malista apo aytoys twra miloyn gia anadiarqrwsh, amfiballw ean gnwrizoyn ti shmainei anadiarqrwsh kai poies qa htan oi synepeies ths. Panw s' ayto, yparxei sygkekrimenh qesh ths kybernhshs, se epipedo Prwqypoyrgoy, se epipedo ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn kai allwn ypoyrgwn. Kai egw, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos to exw pei polles fores. Gia mas, to zhthma kai to stoixhma einai na throyme toys stoxoys toys opoioys qetoyme. Kai efoson throyme toys stoxoys mas kai synexizoyme th doyleia poy kanoyme ws kybernhsh me akomh pio beltiwmenes synqhkes kai me megalytero programmatismo, basei enos eqnikoy sxedioy, eimaste sigoyroi oti den qa xreiazetai na syzhtame gia alla pragmata pleon aytoy.

Qa moy epitrecete na pw, epeidh eipate gia pneymatiko kosmo - gi` ayto rwthsa gia poion pneymatiko kosmo- pragmati, einai poly shmantiko na akoyme anqrwpoys oi opoioi exoyn mia diaforetikh filosofia gia th zwh. Ofeiloyme, omws oloi, ayto to klima anhsyxias, amfibolias kai apogohteyshs, polles fores, poy yparxei na to doyme me mia nhfalia proseggish, na mh to dynamitizoyme. Afhnoyme ton Ellhna polith na skeftetai eleyqera kai na krinei thn kybernhsh kai tis kybernhtikes epiloges, tis epiloges ths antipoliteyshs kai twn politikwn dynamewn. Nomizw oti oloi, osoi qeloyme na symbaloyme - an qeloyme na legomaste kai anqrwpoi toy pneymatos- qa prepei na dhmioyrghsoyme ena klima nhfaliothtas, etsi wste oles oi proseggiseis na einai sobares, na exoyn metro kai na mporoyn na antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta kai stis proklhseis twn kairwn. Einai ayto poy exei anagkh o topos kai oi polites.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Kyrie ypoyrge, wstoso sthn Eyrwph exei anoijei mia oloklhrh koybenta gia to qema ths anadiarqrwshs, oxi mono ths Elladas, genikotera twn adynamwn xwrwn. Ayth th syzhthsh, pws thn eisprattei h kybernhsh; Giati o k. Soimple ayta ta pragmata poy leei, den ta leei tyxaia. Kai qa hqela ena sxolio ep` aytoy.

PETALWTHS: Oi syzhthseis poy ginontai sthn Eyrwph einai polles. Se epishmo epipedo, den ginontai syzhthseis gia anadiarqrwsh. Einai qemites oi qewrhtikes anazhthseis poy ginontai sto plaisio synenteyjewn h sto plaisio kapoiwn eyryterwn syzhthsewn. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti antapokrinontai kai sto sxediasmo ths E.E., h opoia me ton pleon epishmo tropo kai malista poly-poly prosfata, sth Synodo Koryfhs ths 25hs Martioy, katelhje sto na qespisei ena monimo mhxanismo sthrijhs. Ayto shmainei oti yparxei qesmoqethmeno, pleon, plaisio ws pros tis epiloges ths, ws pros thn bohqeia poy mporei na parexei kai ws pros thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn se adynames xwres, poy paroysiazoyn problhmata oikonomikhs krishs, opws einai kai h xwra mas. Dhladh, oi epiloges ths E.E. einai safeis. Ayth h epilogh antimetwpishs xwrwn me problhmata opws h Ellada, antanaklatai kai apotypwqhke me ton pleon epishmo tropo sth Synodo Koryfhs ths 25hs Martioy. Apo ekei kai pera, oi qewrhtikes anazhthseis poy ginontai h o,ti apomonwnetai sto plaisio mias synenteyjhs, den apotelei oyte epishmh, alla oyte kai kyriarxh apoch mesa sthn Eyrwph. Einai shmantiko na akoyme - gi` ayto lew oti yparxoyn kaloproaireta kai kakoproaireta senaria, eidika ta kakoproaireta- kai oloi mas qa prepei na ekpaideytoyme gia to ti akoyme kai na ta diaxwrizoyme. Alla emeis exoyme toys stoxoys mas. Apoceis mporei na exei kaqenas. Emeis exoyme ta dedomena. Emeis kanoyme mia sobarh analysh. Oxi mono h Ellada, alla kai h E.E. sthn prajh exei apanthsei panw s` ayta ta senaria me sygkekrimenes epiloges.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Ara, eseis lete oti efoson den yparxei epishmh syzhthsh, den yparxei gia mas qema anadiarqrwshs.

PETALWTHS: Emeis, oytws h allws, leme oti den yparxei qema anadiarqrwshs. Alla kai epishmh syzhthsh - kai otan lew epishmh den ennow anakoinwmenh kai apofasismenh syzhthsh, alla syzhthsh mesa se eyrwpaika organa- safws kai den yfistatai. H monh epishmh, sobarh kai apotypwmenh isxyrotath apoch ths E.E. einai h dhmioyrgia monimoy mhxanismoy sthrijhs twn xwrwn poy exoyn oikonomiko problhma. Kai liges meres meta ap` ayth thn apofash, den mporoyme, anairwntas ayth thn apofash ths E.E., na arxisoyme na milame gia mia genikoterh, synolikoterh kai syllogikoterh anadiarqrwsh twn xwrwn ths E.E.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Makari na thn jekinoysame emeis ayth thn koybenta, alla den thn jekiname kai to jerete poly kala. Epishs, ayto poy hqela na sas rwthsw, an mporeite na mas peite, sto paraskhnio h kybernhsh exei ejetasei senaria anadiarqrwshs;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei logos na ejetasei senaria anadiarqrwshs. Ekeino to opoio exei na kanei h kybernhsh kai einai sobarotath doyleia, toso sobarh poy aporriptetai opoiodhpote allo senario, einai na bazei stoxoys kai na toys threi. Oso pio makroproqesmoys, oso pio baqyteroys kai aitiologhmenoy stoxoys, me anaptyjiakes kai koinwnikes proektaseis qetei h kybernhsh -poy shmainei qeseis ergasias, koinwnikh synoxh, poy shmainei na arxisei na paragei anaptyjh- toso apokleietai h syzhthsh allwn senariwn. Kai ayto kanoyme me ayto ton eqniko strathgiko sxediasmo. Akribws, aytoys toys stoxoys me tis baqies proektaseis, prospaqoyme na qesoyme.

KOYTRAS: Milhsate gia thn E.E. Omws yparxei kai ena metwpo sto eswteriko, yper ths anadiarqrwshs, to opoio to teleytaio xroniko diasthma, eidika thn teleytaia ebdomada, emfanizetai apo boyleytes toy PA.SO.K. Dhladh, h k. Basw Papandreoy h opoia eipe oti einai yper ths anadiarqrwshs kai o k. Paris Koykoylopoylos xqes, o opoios epanelabe oti gi` ayto to qema, to gorgon kai xarin exei.

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa xqes. O k. Koykoylopoylos eipe kai alla pragmata. Kaqenas exei tis apoceis toy, einai dikaiwma toy na ekfrazei tis apoceis toy kai na kanei tis protaseis toy. Alla h apofasismenh kybernhtikh politikh apotypwnetai me bash sygkekrimena dedomena, ta opoia exei h kybernhsh kai m` ayta ta dedomena lambanontai oi apofaseis kai oi epiloges poy ginontai.

TZANNETATOS: Eipate oti polloi ap' aytoys poy miloyn gia anadiarqrwsh, den exoyn mprosta toys ola ta dedomena. Eseis, ws kybernhsh, ta exete. Wstoso, ap' o,ti fainetai, den exete kataferei na peisete oti yparxoyn kapoies prooptikes, prokeimenoy na glitwsei h xwra apo thn anadiarqrwsh. Qewreite oti me ayto ton eqniko sxediasmo poy lete, qa dwsete mian apanthsh se ola ayta kai oti qa yparjei mia prooptikh gia th xwra;

PETALWTHS: Den einai eykolo to na peisoyme, giati akribws exoyme na antimetwpisoyme tis pio reystes kai tis pio dyskoles oikonomikes kai politikes synqhkes apo th metapoliteysh kai meta. Apo thn prwth stigmh, eixame na antimetwpisoyme thn apeilh ths xreokopias. Thn antimetwpisame. Den yparxei megalyterh apodeijh oti to ergo mas paragei kai apotelesmata. Jefygame apo to xeilos ths xreokopias. Fysika, me thn kaqhmerinh doyleia poy ginetai, ayth akribws h doyleia toy na peisoyme - kai fainetai oti peiqoyme- toys pantes oti mporoyme na ta kataferoyme. Eidikotera:

To oti yparxei apofash apo thn Eyrwpaikh 'Enwsh panw se sygkekrimenes beltiwseis ths ejyphrethshs twn daneiakwn mas anagkwn, fainetai oti peiqoyme kai malista peiqoyme etairoys, oi opoioi hsan kai einai apo th fysh toys, alla kai apo th logikh kai praktikh toys, poly dyskoloi. 'Ara, fainetai oti kataferame kai peisame pws mexri twra opws badizoyme, dhmioyrgoyme prooptikes gia th xwra mas, oti eimaste ajiopistoi synomilhtes kai ayto einai para poly shmantiko. Kai fainetai ti egine me mas, se antiqesh me alles xwres, oi opoies antimetwpizoyn oikonomika problhmata.

Omws, to qema den einai na peisoyme aplws. To qema einai na qesoyme tis baseis gia thn prooptikh ths xwras mas. Aytes tis baseis qetoyme me to plaisio poy qa anakoinwqei ayrio kai to opoio qa paroysiasei o Prwqypoyrgos, etsi wste na einai pio dromologhmena, pio apta kai me proteraiothtes ayta poy qa ginoyn sth xwra mas apo edw kai pera.

TZANNETATOS: Pontarete, dhladh, s' ayto politika gia na jeperasei h xwra ayta ta senaria;

PETALWTHS: 'Exw pei pws h apanthsh s' ayta ta senaria - giati peri senariwn prokeitai, gia ta opoia ginontai syzhthseis edw ki enamish xrono- einai h pragmatikothta. Kai h pragmatikothta einai ayth poy zoyme kai sxediazoyme, etsi wste h xwra mas na apokthsei prooptikh.

XIDIROGLOY: Sas akoysa sthn eisagwgh sas na anaferesqe sthn anagkh prostasias ths koinwnikhs synoxhs. Blepoyme omws poly sobara problhmata sth leitoyrgia twn nosokomeiwn. O eyaisqhtos xwros ths ygeias plhttetai apo thn ypoxrhmatodothsh. Kai den to lew egw ayto. Pws skopeyei h kybernhsh na antimetwpisei to problhma; Kai to rwtaw ayto giati h syzhthsh gia ta qemata ths ygeias kai ta problhmata poy antimetwpizoyn ta nosokomeia sernetai - as moy epitrapei h ekfrash- poly kairo kai omws den blepoyme na yparxoyn lyseis.

PETALWTHS: To qema ths ygeias einai apo ta pleon kayta zhthmata, giati exoyn thn oikonomikh toys parametro poy einai shmantikotath kai kyriws exoyn thn koinwnikh toys antanaklash, mias kai prokeitai gia to kat' ejoxhn dhmosio agaqo, to opoio ofeilei to kratos na prostateysei.

Gnwrizoyme, epishs, para poly kala oti ta xreh mas kai o xwros genika ths ygeias eixe fqasei sto nadir ths ajiopistias, sto nadir ths antimetwpishs apo thn pleyra toy dhmosioy. Klhqhkame, mesa stis dyskoloteres synqhkes, ola ayta na ta antimetwpisoyme: Promhqeytes, periorismo twn ejodwn kai ths spatalhs. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala ti megalo panhgyri eixe sthqei edw kai xronia, gyrw apo ton xwro ths ygeias, me polla zhthmata ta opoia oytws h allws ekdhlwnontai kai sthn kaqhmerinothta. Mesa s' ayta ta plaisia, loipon, prospaqoyme, qetontas omws baseis kai gia ena dhmosio systhma ygeias to opoio qa einai antajio toy ellhnikoy laoy, na antimetwpisoyme thn kaqhmerinothta.

Einai epomeno, mesa s' aytes tis synqhkes kai mesa se 18 mhnes - den yphrxe periptwsh- ta qemata ths ygeias poy exoyn polles kai baqies rizes na lyqoyn kai na antimetwpistoyn sto synolo toys. Ayto poy kanoyme twra einai na ta antimetwpizoyme me mia prooptikh. Mporei h kaqhmerinothta ston xwro ths ygeias na exei tis trexoyses anagkes kai apaithseis ths, anagkes megales kai tragikes poy exoyn amesh epiptwsh sthn paroxh yphresiwn ygeias, omws sto sxedio poy katartizoyme entassetai kai aytos o krisimotatos xwros. Gia na mporoyme na milame gia mia ygeia panw se alles baseis.

Oytws h allws ola ayta dromologoyntai: Sygxwneyseis nosokomeiwn me ameso apotelesma thn poly megalh peristolh twn dapanwn, alla oxi mono logistika kai maqhmatika, kyriws poiotika. 'Etsi wste na exoyme nosokomeia kalytera, poy qa ejoikonomoyn xrhmata, pragma poy shmainei oti ta xrhmata ayta poy qa ejoikonomoyntai qa epistrefoyn sthn paroxh ygeias. Ayto metafrazetai se artioterh kai poiotikoterh paroxh yphresiwn ygeias pros ton 'Ellhna polith.

Akomh kai sthn prwtobaqmia periqalch, prospaqhsame mesa apo to IKA, me ta gnwsta problhmata, me tis terasties oyres, me tis terasties spatales, na dhmioyrghsoyme enan qesmo kalychs twn asfalismenwn toy IKA apo giatroys oi opoioi den entassontai organika sto IKA, alla synergazontai me ayto ws ejwterikoi, etsi wste na stamathsoyn oi oyres. Kai otan qa anaptyxqei h leitoyrgia aytoy toy systhmatos, pragmati qa yparjei beltiwsh, h opoia hdh arxizei na yparxei.

Pera apo ta megala problhmata poy ejakoloyqoyn na yfistantai ston xwro ths ygeias, qelw na katalhjw legontas oti h paroxh artiwn kai poiotikwn yphresiwn ygeias pros ton 'Ellhna polith apotelei stoixeiwdes dhmosio agaqo poy einai arrhkta syndedemeno me th zwh toy kai thn kaqhmerinothta toy.

LIONAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dedomenhs ths shmerinhs apofashs toy Areioy Pagoy gia tis tesseris ergazomenes kaqaristries ston OPAP, oi opoies qa monimopoihqoyn pleon, h kybernhsh skopeyei na symmorfwqei me ayth thn apofash gia toys symbasioyxoys;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, to kratos exei sygkekrimenes leitoyrgies kai einai aytonohto pws prepei na symmorfoymeqa me tis dikastikes apofaseis. Ayto einai dedomeno. Opws oles tis apofaseis ths dikastikhs ejoysias, etsi kai th sygkekrimenh, qa prepei na th doyme me th sobarothta poy enexei to periexomeno mias dikastikhs apofashs. Kalo qa htan na mhn probainoyme se genikeyseis, oi opoies polles fores dhmioyrgoyn alles entypwseis stoys exontes ennomo symferon. Kai me ayth th sobarothta - ennoeitai- h kybernhsh antimetwpizei th sygkekrimenh dikastikh apofash.

SABBOPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to sxedio poy qa paroysiasei ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos, mhpws perilambanei kai kapoies prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs gia to qema ths anergias poy an den kanw laqos exei fqasei sto 15% h qa einai sto genikotero plaisio ths ejodoy apo thn krish kai ayto;

PETALWTHS: To megeqos ths anergias poy einai ena shmantika eyaisqhto megeqos, safws kai prospaqoyme na to antimetwpisoyme. Omws, h anergia den antimetwpizetai me kapoies magikes lyseis h syntages. H anergia einai apotokos ths yfeshs, thn opoia perimename kai gnwrizame oti qa baqainei. Briskomaste twra sto baqytero shmeio ths yfeshs. Apo toyde kai sto ejhs, prosblepoyme se qetikotera apotelesmata, kaq' oti dromologoyntai oi proypoqeseis gia na yparjei qetiko proshmo sthn anaptyjh apo to 2012, pragma poy shmainei oti qa symparasyrei kai tis qeseis ergasias pros ta epanw.

Apo ekei kai pera, entos toy sygkekrimenoy plaisioy, emeis prospaqoyme na xrhsimopoihsoyme ola ta ergaleia -dhmioyrgwntas parallhla nea- sthrijhs twn yfistamenwn qesewn ergasias, alla kai sthrijhs ths ergasias genikotera, pros antimetwpish ths anergias. 'Etsi wste na mporesoyn na sthrixqoyn oi anqrwpoi poy antimetwpizoyn problhma anergias, alla kai oi epixeirhseis poy diathroyn qeseis ergasias mesa s' ena asxhmo oikonomiko periballon. Kai tis diathroyn mesa apo sygkekrimena ergaleia, mesw programmatwn toy OAED kai toy ypoyrgeioy Ergasias poy einai poly shmantika.

En katakleidi, qelw na pw pws mesa s' ayta ta sygkekrimena plaisia prospaqoyme kai kinoymeqa, gia na periorisoyme thn anergia, oso mporoyme perissotero. Prospaqoyme, me kaqe meso poy diaqetoyme, na sthrijoyme thn ergasia, gnwrizontas oti h anergia qa meiwnetai oso dhmioyrgeitai anaptyjh, oso phgainoyn kala kai ta oikonomika mas pragmata.

KOYTRAS: Telika, kyrie Ekproswpe, me thn Keratea yparxoyn deyteres skeceis sthn kybernhsh na allajei o sxediasmos; Shmera eidame pws antedrasan oi katoikoi, eyrhmatika qa elega: 'Eskacan enamish metro tafro sth mesh ths lewforoy Layrioy. Protiqesqe na kamete kati gi' ayto to pragma h qa kylaei kaqhmerina me ena neo epeisodio;

PETALWTHS: Gia ta symbainonta sthn Keratea se syndyasmo me th dhmioyrgia XYTY eimaste oi prwtoi kai oi monoi poy exoyme sxedio, sto plaisio toy perifereiakoy sxediasmoy. Ean aytos ginotan prin apo kapoia xronia, shmera, den qa eixame ayta ta epeisodia.

Asfalws kai den yparxei periptwsh na doyme thn Keratea ws ena epeisodio lhchs astynomikwn metrwn. Qa adikoysame th doyleia poy hdh ginetai kai prospaqoyme na kanoyme ston xwro twn XYTY.

Omws, qa prepei oloi na antilhfqoyn -symperilambanomenwn ekeinwn poy skaboyn tafroys- tis synepeies poy endexomenws qa ypostoyn. Oydeis einai anejelegktos. Kaneis den mporei na stamata enan sxediasmo poy exei na kanei me thn ygeia, to periballon, alla kai me thn idia th zwh twn anqrwpwn. Sto plaisio, loipon, poy molis sas anefera, h kybernhsh etsi antimetwpizei to qema ths Kerateas.

KOYTRAS: Na sas pw oti to qema einai panw apo treis mhnes, ta epeisodia einai panw apo 40 hmeres, o antartopolemos, opote, profanws, ayta poy mas lete mallon den isxyoyn.

PETALWTHS: Isxyoyn. Aplws emeis den blepoyme ta pragmata epifaneiaka. Oyte to qema ths Kerateas periorizetai apla se mia astynomikh parembash. To qema einai baqytero kai ws tetoio to antimetwpizoyme.

'Oson afora toys dhmioyrgoyntes katastaseis toioytoy eidoys, kapote qa prepei na antilhfqoyn oti den mporoyn na symperiferontai me ayto ton tropo.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh xqes, meta to ranteboy ths ypoyrgoy Paideias me ton Prwqypoyrgo fanhke oti den katelhjan se kapoies apofaseis, alla en tw metajy ayrio paroysiazetai to mesoproqesmo programma, hqela na sas rwthsw ean kat' arxas breqhke kapoia allh odos na breqoyn ayta ta 300 ekatommyria eyrw poy fainetai oti einai anelastikes dapanes toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias h ean peisthke o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn kai o Prwqypoyrgos oti prokeitai gia anelastikes dapanes kai den xreiazetai na kopoyn.

PETALWTHS: Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos ayrio qa paroysiasei to eqniko sxedio. Gnwrizoyme, epishs, ti doyleia ginetai ston xwro ths Paideias me peristolh dapanwn, megalo symmazema, to opoio ginetai parallhla me tis megales allages tis opoies pragmatopoiei to ypoyrgeio Paideias se ola ta epipeda.

Synepws, to na milame memonwmena kai sthrizomenoi se fhmologies, den arkei kai etsi adikoyme th synolikh prospaqeia poy ginetai. Fysiko einai oi ayrianes apofaseis na yperboyn mia aplh anafora. Apofaseis poy asfalws qa anaferontai kai ston sxediasmo gia thn Paideia.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Na sas rwthsw kai kati akomh: Epeidh shmera yparxei ena sxetiko dhmosieyma, th stigmh poy o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn caxnei na mazecei tosa xrhmata apo perikopes, einai prepon na meiwnei ta prostima se etaireies plhroforikhs kai malista sto miso, apo 400.000 se 200.000 eyrw;

PETALWTHS: 'Etsi poy to rwtate memonwmena, to ``prepon'' kai ``mh prepon'' den einai qema genikhs qewrhshs. To ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn kanei th doyleia toy me plhrh sebasmo sth nomimothta, alla epishs kai me ton proshkonta sebasmo toy dhmosioy xrhmatos. Ayto einai jekaqaro.

XASAPOPOYLOS: 'Hqela na sas rwthsw gi' ayto poy egine sto nosokomeio ``ALEJANDRA''. Qa anazhthqoyn eyqynes;

PETALWTHS: 'Exei hdh diataxqei enorkh dioikhtikh ejetash kai proxwra h ypoqesh, ws pros ayto.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Oi eyqynes poy entopizontai; 'Exete mia prwth ektimhsh giati eginan ola ayta; Einai h dioikhsh, einai oi syndikalistes, einai oi ergazomenoi;

PETALWTHS: H enhmerwsh poy exw mexri stigmhs einai oti exei diataxqei EDE, prokeimenoy na diapistwsoyme ean kai poy yparxoyn eyqynes, gia na mhn epanalhfqoyn sto mellon tetoia fainomena.

Eyxaristw.

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