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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 24 Ianoyarioy 2011

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 24 Ianoyarioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Apo thn prwth hmera poy analabame thn kybernhsh ths xwras, qesame th diafaneia kai thn ajiopistia, ws prwto melhma mas. H diafaneia apotelei kyriarxo systatiko stoixeio ths koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs. Apotelei epiqymia twn politwn, fysika kai ths kybernhshs.

Apaiteitai isxyrh politikh boylhsh thn opoia h kybernhsh apodeiknyei oti diaqetei. Epiqymoyme th diafaneia, thn epidiwkoyme se kaqe ptyxh ths dhmosias zwhs kai to apodeiknyoyme kaqhmerina.

Qespisame th ``Diaygeia'' wste afenos, o kaqe poliths na gnwrizei poy dapanatai apo to kratos mexri kai to teleytaio eyrw apo toys foroys kai toys kopoys toy kai afeteroy, h idia h Dhmosia Dioikhsh na logodotei kaqhmerina sthn koinwnia kai na prolambanei tyxon alogistes prajeis kai dapanes.

H kaqolikh kaqierwsh toy ASEP stis proslhceis toy Dhmosioy erxetai na balei telos se ena adiafanes kaqestws gkrizwn proslhcewn kai kommatikhs omhrias pollwn sympolitwn mas.

Akomh kai to anoigma twn kleistwn epaggelmatwn erxetai na ejaleicei adiafaneis, polles fores, periptwseis, praktikes me kinhseis katw apo to trapezi kai katastaseis poy kaqistoysan thn prosbash se seira epaggelmatwn, apagoreytikh kyriws, gia toys neoys sympolites mas.

Stis Ejetastikes Epitropes poy systhqhkan, einai fanerh h prospaqeia ths kybernhshs na xyqei apleto fws. Na mh meinei kamia skia se ypoqeseis poy talanisan ton topo kai ejorgisan toys polites.

Sto plaisio toy yfistamenoy Syntagmatos ejantlhsame ola ta periqwria, wste oi polites na maqoyn epiteloys thn alhqeia.

Qwrakizoyme, wstoso, to politiko systhma, wste pote jana na mhn epanalhfqoyn tetoies katastaseis kai lambanoyme sygkekrimena metra ws pros ayto.

Epiferoyme tropopoihsh sto nomo peri eyqynhs ypoyrgwn, oso to epitrepei to paron Syntagma, mexri na allajei oristika o nomos. Parallhla, aysthropoioyme toys kanones gia to poqen esxes twn politikwn, alla kai qespizoyme sygkekrimenoys aysthroys kanones gia ton elegxo twn oikonomikwn twn kommatwn. Gi` ayto to logo hdh exei systaqei episthmonikh epitroph, poy syntoma qa paroysiasei to porisma ths. Porisma to opoio qa perasei sth synexeia apo thn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to briskete arkoyntws orqologiko apo th mia na exoyme 30% me 40% apofygh plhrwmhs eisithriwn sta astika Mesa Metaforas kai apo thn allh na ayjanetai to eisithrio; Mia orqologika skeptomenh kai sygkrothmenh kybernhsh den qa eprepe prwta na prospaqhsei na periorisei ayto to fainomeno kai ek twn ysterwn na ayjhsei ta eisithria; Giati pali oi idioi qa plhrwsoyn. Ayto poy symbainei kai sth forodiafygh, poy panta ayjanontai oi foroi gi` aytoys poy hdh plhrwnoyn.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, oson afora sth forodiafygh, den symbainei ayto. Synebaine kapote. Emeis hdh exoyme kaqierwsei ena forologiko systhma to opoio, kata to dynaton, einai safestera koinwnika dikaio kai malista me ena sxedio nomoy kai mia tropopoihsh stoys foroelegktikoys mhxanismoys poy aytes tis hmeres qa perasei apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, etsi wste pragmatika na plhrwnoyn aytoi poy prepei na plhrwnoyn. Ws pros thn ayjhsh twn eisithriwn einai aparaithth gia na systaqoyn aytoi oi organismoi. Fysika, parallhla dhmioyrgoyme ekeinoys toys mhxanismoys, etsi wste na stamathsei h anejelegkth mh plhrwmh eisithriwn. Oi astikes sygkoinwnies aforoyn to dhmosio symferon. Qa exoyn panta dhmosio xarakthra kai exoyme desmeytei gi` ayto kai epiteloys, bazontas maxairi sto megalo panhgyri poy ginotan kai stis astikes sygkoinwnies, prospaqoyme na qerapeysoyme to dhmosio symferon poy shmainei kalyterh ejyphrethsh kai kalyteres yphresies pros ton polith. Fysika kai me tis pleon prosites times, toylaxiston se baqos xronoy, etsi wste pragmatika oi polites na exoyn tis astikes sygkoinwnies tis opoies kai mesw twn forwn plhrwnoyn kai oi opoies toys ajizoyn.

SIDERHS: Exete arxisei na qymizete Karamanlh, enestwtas diarkeias, panta. ``Kanoyme, dhmioyrgoyme, ftiaxnoyme''. Apo perysi ti kanate gia na periorisete ayth thn apofygh plhrwmhs eisithriwn kai twra fernete prwta thn ayjhsh twn eisithriwn kai ek twn ysterwn toys mhxanismoys, an qa yparjoyn aytoi oi mhxanismoi. Poioi plhrwnoyn k. Ekproswpe; Oi pio ftwxoi plhrwnoyn ayta ta eisithria. Oi pio ftwxoi diakinoyntai. Oydeis leei oti den prepei na ayjhqoyn. Alla, mhpws eprepe na yparjei mia allh energeia prin;

PETALWTHS: To oti qymizoyme Karamanlh einai anypostato, giati, ayto apodeiknyetai apo enan apologismo poy mporei na kanei kapoios, ths ejaetoys kybernhshs Karamanlh, me th molis enos xronoy dikhs mas kybernhshs. Ayta poy qa mporoyse na kanei kai qa eprepe na kanei h kybernhsh Karamanlh, ean ginotan tote, twra qa eixame astikes sygkoinwnies poy qa htan ygieis kai den qa xreiazotan kai kamia ayjhsh eisithrioy. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, apospasmatika den ginetai tipote. Emeis bazoyme se efarmogh ena oloklhrwmeno sxedio anadiarqrwshs kai ejygianshs twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn, etsi wste na yparxei to kalytero apotelesma kai h kalyterh paroxh yphresiwn twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn pros ton polith.

SIDERHS: Mia epejhghsh. To oti qymizete Karamanlh einai shmeiologiko gia th xrhsh toy enestwta diarkeias, h opoia einai kai h eykolh katafygh.

PETALWTHS: Oxi, h eykolh katafygh einai o mellontas, to ``qa kanoyme''. O enestwtas einai akribws ayto poy kanoyme. Alla, h diafora mas einai oti emeis perigrafoyme ayta poy hdh kanoyme.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sthn eisagwgikh sas topoqethsh anaferate oti ejantlhsate ola tis dynatothtes poy yparxoyn mesa sto yparxon syntagmatiko plaisio gia th diereynhsh olwn aytwn twn periptwsewn adiafaneias kai kataspatalhshs toy dhmosioy xrhmatos. Na symperanw, loipon, oti gia esas oloklhrwqhke h prospaqeia sth shmerinh dedomenh katastash, apo syntagmatikhs pleyras kai h ekkremoysa, mexri stigmhs, protash sas gia ta parapoihmena stoixeia gia thn oikonomia, ws Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, qa proxwrhsei h oxi;

PETALWTHS: An anafereste, prwta ap` ola, sto an ejantlhsame ta periqwria sthn Epitroph gia th Siemens, as perimenoyme na katateqei prwta to porisma gia na mporoyme na krinoyme. H boylhsh ths kybernhshs einai safestath, einai isxyrotath. Kamia skia. Ayto einai dedomeno. Gi` ayto akribws, safws kai yparxei h pagia kai diarkhs entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy na ejantloyntai oles oi dynatothtes poy parexei o nomos, to Syntagma kai o kanonismos ths Boylhs, etsi wste opoia ergaleia, o,ti mas diaqetei o nomos shmera, na ta qetoyme sthn yphresia ths ejeyreshs ths alhqeias. Apo ekei kai pera, ejhghsa kai prohgoymenws, oti ayto, fysika, den mas arkei kai kanoyme poly megala bhmata, etsi wste na isxyropoihqei to nomiko plaisio. Epanalambanw, omws, oti an den yparxei isxyrh politikh boylhsh, opws yparxei shmera, kanena nomiko plaisio oso isxyro kai na einai, den mporei na odhghsei sthn aneyresh ths alhqeias. Kai ayto apodeixqhke giati kapws etsi egine kai me th N.D. Enw yphrxe ayto to nomiko plaisio gia th Siemens jekinhsame na syzhtame apo to Febroyario kai meta. Apo th stigmh loipon, poy yparxei isxyrh politikh boylhsh, ola ta ypoloipa ergaleia pros diereynhsh ths alhqeias ejeyriskontai. Oson afora thn Ejetastikh gia ta parapoihmena stoixeia, yparxei katateqeimenh apo ton Febroyario. Einai logiko, oti den mporei na leitoyrgoyn sygxronws polles Ejetastikes. Boylhsh mas einai na feroyme se peras kai ekeinh thn ypoqesh, efoson apodeixqei oti yparxoyn parapoihmena stoixeia -kai to gnwrizoyme bebaia oloi ayto- ta opoia phgainan stoys etairoys mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai fqasame se ena terastio shmeio anajiopistias. Pantws, genikotera, epeidh diabasa aytes tis hmeres ston Typo oti yparxei boylhsh ths kybernhshs na stamathsei tis Ejetastikes Epitropes, kati tetoio, den isxyei. H boylhsh einai jekaqarh kai safestath, na diereynhqei opoiadhpote skia. Kai gi` ayto kalo qa einai na mhn apajiwnoyme tis Ejetastikes Epitropes, giati kai ta apotelesmata poy fernoyn einai poly shmantika kai elpizoyme ayto na apodeixqei kai me to porisma gia thn Ejetastikh Epitroph ths Siemens.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hdh o proedros toy LA.O.S. zhta astikes apozhmiwseis apo th Siemens, pragma poy proypoqetei kinhsh ths kybernhshs kai bebaiws kapoiwn megalwn DEKO poy zhmiwqhkan me mhnythria kinhsh oysiastika h kapoia agwgh kata ths germanikhs etaireias. Protiqeste na proxwrhsete se ena tetoio bhma;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh qa kanei ta panta kai me sygkekrimena bhmata, etsi wste na apokatastaqei h zhmia toy Dhmosioy kai ap` ayth thn ypoqesh ths Siemens, h opoia talanizei th xwra mas kai thn exei zhmiwsei edw kai para polla xronia. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Akomh, apo tis 12 Febroyarioy toy 2008, sthn prwth protash toy PA.SO.K. gia Ejetastikh anaforika me th Siemens, thn opoia aperrice fysika h kybernhsh ths N.D., ypenqymizw oti o nyn Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy eixe pei sthn kybernhsh Karamanlh, ``ti eprepe na kanete ws kybernhsh'', ta ejhs dyo pragmata: Prwton, na strafeite taytoxrona nomika enantion ths germanikhs mhtrikhs etaireias Siemens kai enantion toy ellhnikoy pararthmatos, diekdikwntas astikes apozhmiwseis. Kai deyteron, na kinhsete amesa oles ekeines tis nomikes diadikasies, wste oi fysikoi aytoyrgoi Ellhnes kai allodapoi na syllhfqoyn kai na dwsoyn logo sthn ellhnikh Dikaiosynh. Gia eynohtoys logoys h gia dikoys toys logoys, tote h N.D. aperrice ayth thn protash gia thn Ejetastikh ths Siemens. Thn protash gia thn Ejetastikh ths Siemens emeis th ferame twra me thn protash toy PASOK kai fysika kai ta dyo ginontai. Dhladh kai h Ejetastikh Epitroph yparxei, se ligo qa exoyme porisma, alla fysika kai h boylhsh ths kybernhshs na apozhmiwqei to ellhniko Dhmosio, na yparxei apokatastash ths opoias zhmias toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy einai isxyrh kai fysika qa ekdhlwqei me sygkekrimenes prajeis.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe pote ektimate oti qa ekdhlwqei h sygkekrimenh boylhsh ths kybernhshs me sygkekrimenes prajeis; Qa perimenete ti, to peras ths Ejetastikhs;

PETALWTHS: Syntoma.

MOYRELATOS: Kai me poio tropo akribws;

PETALWTHS: Otan ekdhlwqei, qa doyme, giati antilambanomaste oti einai poly synqetos o tropos, yparxoyn nomika zhthmata. Pantws, h boylhsh ths kybernhshs einai na zhthsei thn apokatastash ths zhmias se sygkekrimena plaisia.

MARAQIAS: Apo merida toy Typoy kai twn Meswn Mazikhs Enhmerwshs ginetai entonh kritikh sthn kybernhsh gia to gegonos oti h Ejetastikh Epitroph gia th Siemens apefyge na diereynhsei thn ptyxh toy skandaloy poy exei na kanei me ta kommatika tameia. Kai ekei, profanws, fainetai na yparxei mia poly megalh skia. Einai apofasismeno to kybernwn komma na rijei fws s' ayth th skia; Kai me bash to porisma poy qa bgei shmera, pisteyete oti h kybernhsh exei thn ektimhsh pws stoixeioqetoyntai eyqynes politikes ki an oxi kai poinikes se stelexh kai toy PASOK kai ths N.D. ;

PETALWTHS: H aporia sas einai logikh. Qa htan teleiws akomco kai teleiws aprosforo na epixeirhsw na sas enhmerwsw twra gia to porisma ths Ejetastikhs gia th Siemens, giati den to gnwrizw. To porisma qa katateqei, etsi opws plhroforoymai, shmera to apogeyma h to brady. Synepws, as perimenoyme na doyme to porisma. Kai oles aytes oi topoqethseis peri mh diereynhshs toy politikoy xrhmatos kai sta tameia twn kommatwn, elpizw oti qa apanthqoyn apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Na ypenqymisw monon oti yparxei sygkekrimenh diadikasia, opoy yparxei sygkekrimenh Epitroph ths Boylhs me symmetoxh anwtatwn dikastikwn leitoyrgwn, h opoia elegxei th xrhmatodothsh twn kommatwn. Synepws, as doyme, prwta ap' ola, ti leei to porisma kai meta na ekferoyme tis kriseis mas. Ki edw qa eimaste na to sxoliasoyme oso qelete. Pantws, h boylhsh ths kybernhshs paramenei isxyrh sth diereynhsh se ola ta epipeda.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exete kapoio sxolio gia tis kinhtopoihseis poy arxisan hdh oi agrotes gia qemata ta opoia den exoyn lyqei kai apo thn kybernhsh ayth kai apo thn prohgoymenh kai kleinoyn toys dromoys pali me ta trakter;

PETALWTHS: Einai alhqeia oti ta problhmata ths agrotikhs zwhs kai twn agrotwn einai polla. Malista polla ej aytwn einai dysepilyta kai logw twn newn synqhkwn ypo tis opoies ergazontai oi agrotes. Omws, apo ekei kai pera, ofeilw na ypenqymisw oti einai h prwth fora poy kybernhsh exei dwsei apozhmiwseis ston pio egkairo xrono kai malista me ton egkyrotero tropo. Apo thn allh meria, ginetai mia seira pollwn megalwn bhmatwn gia thn enisxysh toy agrotikoy eisodhmatos, gia thn ejygiansh twn synetairismwn, etsi wste mesa apo toys synetairismoys na perasei kai na yparxei h emporeymatopoihsh ths agrotikhs paragwghs. Malista, ayto syzhthqhke thn prohgoymenh ebdomada sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Pragmati, ayth h kybernhsh blepei me ena diaforetiko mati to epaggelma toy agroth. Milame, pleon, gia epaggelmaties agrotes kai gia to mhtrwo twn agrotwn. Synepws, pisteyw pws den yparxei logos na ginontai kinhtopoihseis, oxi giati den exoyn problhmata oi agrotes, alla giati ta polla kai xronia problhmata arxizoyn na antimetwpizontai me enan swsto kai egkyro tropo. H de enisxysh toy agrotikoy eisodhmatos h opoia perna mesa apo sygkekrimenes xrhmatodothseis exei hdh ginei.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh gi' ayto to qema exei problecei, exei merimnhsei na yparjei dialogos me toys agrotes prokeimenoy na mhn kleisoyn pali eqnikes odikes arthries kai na talaipwrhqoyn pali oi anqrwpoi poy den ftaine;

PETALWTHS: O dialogos einai hdh anoixtos. H kybernhsh syndialegetai me toys agrotes, exei sygkekrimenes protaseis, sygkekrimena metra na probalei kai fysika den yparxei kanenas logos na yparxei talaipwria twn Ellhnwn politwn kai malista se periodo krishs.

TZANETTATOS: Ta senaria peri anadiarqrwshs toy ellhnikoy xreoys epimenoyn. Ti apanta h kybernhsh; Synexizete na diaceydete ayta ta senaria;

PETALWTHS: Safws kai ta diaceydoyme. Emeis ayto poy kanoyme einai na throyme toys stoxoys mas. Thrwntas toys stoxoys, blepoyme oti h ellhnikh oikonomia bainei pros to kalytero kai qa synexisei sthn idia kateyqynsh. 'Exoyme sxedio to opoio ylopoioyme kai fysika diaceydoyme plhrws ola ta senaria peri anadiarqrwshs toy xreoys.

LASKARATOS: Fobatai synolika h kybernhsh nea orizontia metra epi dikaiwn kai adikwn, opws o k. Loberdos; Ton ejefrase ton fobo toy o k. Loberdos xqes sto ``PRWTO QEMA''.

PETALWTHS: O k. Loberdos eipe kai alla pragmata sth synenteyjh toy. Kai fysika einai dedomeno kai to exw pei kai egw s' ayth thn aiqoysa para polles fores, oti ean throyme toys stoxoys mas, den exoyme na fobhqoyme tipota. Ayto einai dedomeno.

TSAKIRHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean ola ayta poy akoygontai tis teleytaies hmeres sxetika me thn epanagora omologwn, oles aytes tis protaseis poy syzhtoyntai sthn E.E. ean ginontai erhmhn mas h telika paizoyme kai emeis kapoio rolo. Ean dhladh to Berolino apofasizei me emas h xwris emas.

PETALWTHS: Einai syzhthseis, den yparxoyn apofaseis. H qesh mas opws kai h qesh ths E.E. einai sygkekrimenh. Den tiqetai qema efarmoghs tetoiwn senariwn. H thrhsh twn stoxwn einai h monh pragmatikothta, to mono pragmatiko senario to opoio kai ylopoieitai.

MARAQIAS: Pantws telika o k. Pagkalos den ejefraze proswpikes apoceis.

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti ayto to qema to exoyme ejantlhsei. Ean qelete na to tekmhriwsete, mporw na sas apanthsw.

MARAQIAS: Epeidh o antiproedros ths kybernhshs oysiastika apodokimasthke apo thn kybernhsh tis prohgoymenes hmeres giati telika apo oti fainetai ek twn ysterwn apokalyce to ti symbainei sto paraskhnio kai ti diapragmateyseis yparxoyn peri ths anadiarqrwshs toy ellhnikoy xreoys.

PETALWTHS: Poy; Sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh;

MARAQIAS: Oxi, stis Bryjelles , sto Berolino...

PETALWTHS: Kaqhmerina olo ayto to diasthma ths krishs dhmosiopoioyntai para polles apoceis kai syzhthseis. Epishs as mhn jexname oti toys teleytaioys 15 mhnes polloi apo aytoys poy diakinoyn tetoia senaria mas ptwxeyan kai apodeixqhke oti den exoyme ptwxeysei alla antiqeta yparxei prooptikh na jeperasoyme thn krish me proypoqeseis kai oroys poy qetoyme ws kybernhsh. Ara ta senaria einai senaria kai den exoyn na kanoyn me thn pragmatikothta. Emeis throyme toys stoxoys mas kai exoyme sxedio to opoio ylopoioyme.

TZANETTATOS: Pera apo to sxedio kai apo to programma poy exete, eseis se tetoies syzhthseis mpainete; Syzhtate h qa syzhtoysate qewrhtika mia tetoia ejelijh gia mia synolikh lysh sto ellhniko problhma;

PETALWTHS: Oxi. Einai jekaqaro oti h monh syzhthsh sthn opoia symmetexoyme einai gia thn epimhkynsh ths apoplhrwmhs toy daneioy twn 110 dis eyrw kai mono.

SPANOY: Mporeite na diabebaiwsete oti me thn efarmogh toy eniaioy misqologioy apo arxes Febroyarioy, den qa yparjei nea meiwsh misqwn mesw perikophs ejorqologismoy epidomatwn;

PETALWTHS: To eniaio misqologio exei ws skopo na yparxei idia amoibh se dhmosioys ypallhloys me ta idia prosonta kai ayto einai jekaqaro. To qema twn epidomatwn einai polysynqeto kai qa antimetwpisqei. To eniaio misqologio einai qema efarmoghs koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs kai isothtas gia na mporoyn oi dhmosioi ypallhloi na apodidoyn apo th stigmh poy qa ameibontai kai me ton idio tropo.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo apogeyma. --1427249692-1886096152-1295945807=:13754--

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