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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 11 Ianoyarioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 310387042

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFING(110111)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 11 Ianoyarioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Eixame shmera th dhmoprasia entokwn grammatiwn toy Dhmosioy, thn prwth toy neoy etoys kai polyanamenomenh apo polloys, gia polloys logoys. Opws isws gnwrizete, to teliko epitokio diamorfwqhke sto 4,9%, enw eixame kalych 3,4 fores kai telika antlhsame 1,950 dis eyrw. H dhmoprasia krinetai epityxhmenh, mias kai diejhxqh se ena idiaitera dysmenes periballon dieqnws, se mia asxhmh sygkyria. Diaceydontai, gia allh mia fora, osoi miloysan gia epitokia ta opoia htan yperogka kai yperbolika kai poy qa yperebainan safestata to 5% kai 6%. Epishs, na sas enhmerwsw oti eixame ayjhsh ths symmetoxhs twn jenwn sth sygkekrimenh dhmoprasia, kaqws to pososto toys anerxetai sto 37% toy synolikoy posoy. Einai profanes oti ayto martyra empistosynh twn jenwn sth xwra mas, alla kai th diarkws anaktwmenh ajiopistia mas dieqnws.

Opws tonisa kai xqes, proteraiothta ths kybernhshs gia to 2011 einai h anaptyjiakh troxia, h stoxeymenh, biwsimh kai anqrwpokentrikh anaptyjh, me sxedio, kainotomia, orama, ygih epixeirhmatikothta, makria apo epidomatikes praktikes toy parelqontos, poy oloi gnwrizoyme poy mas odhghsan. Mexri to telos toy mhna qa teqei pros chfish o neos ependytikos nomos poy diasfalizei ta aparaithta efodia gia th dhmioyrgia enos neoy ygioys anaptyjiakoy plaisioy, me jekaqaroys kanones, ikanws koinoys kai gia oloys.

Prwto mas melhma einai h empedwsh, epishs, ths koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs sth xwra mas. Einai megalo stoixhma kai gnwrizoyme poly kala ti symbainei. Ta bhmata mas pros ayth thn kateyqynsh einai safh. Proxwrame to sxedio gia th diafaneia sta oikonomika twn kommatwn kai genikws sto ``politiko xrhma''. Anamorfwnoyme toys elegktikoys kai eispraktikoys mhxanismoys, gia na feroyme kairio plhgma sth forodiafygh, wste o kaqe poliths na gnwrizei oti oloi forologoyntai kai plhrwnoyn aytoi, epiteloys, poy toys analogei, einai allwste prosfath h apofash gia kapoioys katasthmatarxes, bazontas parallhla telos sthn atimwrhsia. Eimaste apofasismenoi kai anypoxwrhtoi se ayto.

Egkaqidryoyme thn hlektronikh diakybernhsh, dieykolynontas thn epafh toy polith me to kratos, me th dioikhsh, patassontas sygxronws fainomena diafqoras kai ypoptwn synallagwn, poy endexomenws na prokyptoyn ekei.

Eimaste apofasismenoi kai ayth einai h boylhsh twn politwn na dhmioyrghsoyme oles tis proypoqeseis, opoy o poliths me diafaneia qa mporei na synallassetai me to kratos, me oroys jekaqaroys, me dikaih, ish kai isonomh antimetwpish olwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPANOY: Mporeite na mas peite poio einai to antikeimeno ths episkechs toy k. Pagkaloy sto Katar kai giati den anakoinwqhke ayto to tajidi;

PETALWTHS: Qa plhroforhqw kai qa sas enhmerwsw.

ZAFEIRIADOY: O k. Pagkalos sto Katar synodeyei ton k. Koybelh h einai ekei kai o k. Pampoykhs gia ependyseis;

PETALWTHS: Qa sas enhmerwsw sxetika. Den to gnwrizw, eimai ypologos.

KOYTRAS: Einai kalo gia th leitoyrgia ths kybernhshs olh ayth h eikona poy diamorfwnetai kaqhmerina, poy exei proelqei apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy, opoy boyleytes, ypoyrgoi, stelexh einai apenanti apo ton k. Pagkalo kai kaloyn ton Prwqypoyrgo - opws o k. Panagiwtakopoylos- na labei metra;

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy einai kalo, einai na asxoloymaste me ta megala kai poly dyskola problhmata ths xwras. Kai ayto kanei h kybernhsh. Exei polles proklhseis mprosta ths. Ayto kanei edw kai 14 mhnes, ayto synexizei na kanei. O ellhnikos laos perimenei lyseis, lyseis oi opoies den erxontai apo mones toys, lyseis se megala problhmata ths xwras mas, alla kai lyseis sthn kaqhmerinothta toy. Ayto kanoyme kai gi` ayto doyleyoyme kaqe hmera.

KOYTRAS: Sygnwmh, epeidh diekrina mia momfh. To eipate kai xqes...

PETALWTHS: Pros esas;

KOYTRAS: Nai. Pros to periexomeno ths erwthshs. To eipate kai xqes ayto.

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera tis proteraiothtes mas kai pros poia kateyqynsh doyleyoyme.

KOYTRAS: Mia apo tis koybentes sto dhmosio dialogo einai ti ginetai me ton k. Pagkalo. Apasxolei ola ta Mesa kai kyriws apasxolei ta idia ta stelexh sas. Einai wraia eikona ayth kai gia thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada kai gia thn kybernhsh, na asxoloyntai oloi kaqhmerina me ton k. Pagkalo kai tis dhlwseis toy; Ayto lew.

PETALWTHS: An apantame synexeia se erwthseis gia ton k. Pagkalo, den qa asxoloymaste me thn oysia. Emeis jekaqara asxoloymaste me thn oysia twn megalwn problhmatwn ths xwras mas.

PITTARAS: Pantws, qelw na sas pw oti o k. Pagkalos asxoleitai kai aytos me ta megala problhmata h me tis ependyseis kai gi` ayto profanws brisketai sto Katar. Twra, apo thn allh, ayto endexomenws sas dieykolynei giati den einai edw, opote den mporei na prokalesei me nees toy dhlwseis kai na kanei ayto poy ton kathgoroyn stelexh sas, oti dixazei thn koinwnia.

PETALWTHS: Eipame oti asxoloymaste qesmika. Epanalambanw oti h kybernhsh exei polles proklhseis mprosta ths kai pragmatika akomh kai ayth th stigmh poy milame, o Prwqypoyrgos exei enan shmantiko rolo, brisketai ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai ton enhmerwnei. Yparxei politikh synergasia kai ta qemata me ta opoia asxoleitai ayth h kybernhsh, einai qemata pragmatika, yparkta kai qemata oysias. Kai to kanoyme giati ayth einai h apaithsh twn politwn, giati ayto einai to megalo stoixhma poy exoyme balei edw kai poly megalo xroniko diasthma.

KOYTRAS: O k. Pagkalos asxoleitai me qemata oysias;

PETALWTHS: Allh erwthsh. Allh erwthsh, oxi giati den yparxei apanthsh h epeidh den asxoleitai o k. Pagkalos me qemata oysias, giati ayto qa bgalete shmera ean den apanthsw. Allh erwthsh, giati o rolos toy k. Pagkaloy einai qesmikos. Einai antiproedros ths kybernhshs kai olo ayto to diasthma asxoleitai me shmantikotato ergo, to opoio dhmosiopoiei kiolas.

POLYMEROS: Ena qema oysias. H  Financial Times epanhlqe me dhmosieyma ths kai qewrei dedomenh se baqos pentaetias thn anadiarqrwsh toy xreoys ths Elladas. Exete kapoio sxolio s` ayto, giati me bash ayta poy grafei h  Financial Times den isxyoyn h toylaxiston erxontai se antiqesh me ayta poy mas eipate prin apo ligo, eseis, gia to shmerino daneismo mas.

PETALWTHS: Exoyme synhqisei eidika ta dhmosieymata toy jenoy Typoy, edw kai megalo xroniko diasthma, na adikoyn thn katastash sth xwra mas. Einai safes oti h katastash den einai opws eprepe na einai. Ayto, omws, poy mporoyme na poyme jekaqara, einai oti emeis apokleioyme thn anadiarqrwsh toy xreoys. Emeis throyme aparegklita toys stoxoys mas. Kai ayto einai para poly shmantiko kai exei apodeixqei sthn prajh oti oso throyme toys stoxoys mas, o,ti kai na dhmosieyetai, opoia dhmosia syzhthsh ginetai gia thn krish sthn Ellada, fainetai oti ayth h thrhsh twn stoxwn mas einai ayth poy apodidei kiolas.

MARAQIAS: Hqela na sas rwthsw, gnwrizate xqes oti o k. Pagkalos einai sto Katar;

PETALWTHS: Sygnwmh, mporoyme na asxolhqoyme kai me diaforetika qemata, me ayta poy apasxoloyn ton ellhniko lao;

MARAQIAS: Qa to synexisw. To rwtaw ayto giati sthn periptwsh poy gnwrizate oti o antiproedros ths kybernhshs htan sto Katar, kapoioi entos ths kybernhshs lene oti oi xqesines sas dhlwseis htan akomces apenanti ston antiproedro ths kybernhshs, thn wra poy briskotan se ena shmantiko tajidi, isws gia ependytikoys logoys me skopo thn yposthrijh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

PETALWTHS: Epeidh kai s` ayth thn aiqoysa metaferontai ciqyroi, den me aforoyn proswpika kai den aforoyn kai thn kybernhsh.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Mporeite, kyrie Ekproswpe, na mas enhmerwsete gia to plano ths kybernhshs sto metwpo twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn; Oi ergazomenoi deixnoyn anypoxwrhtoi. Apo thn allh, h kybernhsh leei oti den skeftetai thn epistrateysh. Ti qa ginei telika;

PETALWTHS: To qema twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn einai ena shmantiko zhthma. Afora sthn ejygiansh, oysiastika, twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn. Sto epomeno ypoyrgiko symboylio qa syzhthsoyme to sxetiko nomosxedio kai qa akoloyqhsei dhmosia diaboyleysh me oloys toys foreis kai toys ekproswpoys twn ergazomenwn. Apo ekei kai pera, to nomoqetiko plaisio qa katateqei sth Boylh. Gnwrizoyme poly kala, poia htan h katastash sto xwro twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn kai ayth thn katastash eimaste apofasismenoi na thn anatrecoyme. Ayto poy mas endiaferei, einai na yparxei ejygiansh se oloys toys tomeis toy Dhmosioy kai fysika na parexontai sto telos, oi kalyteres yphresies pros ton polith, me to pio fqhno kostos kai ston ellhniko lao, alla kyriws kai pros to dhmosio symferon.

GIANNISHS: H epitajh einai mesa stis lyseis poy endexomenws ejetazei h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Exoyme pei kai allh fora oti h epitajh einai mia lysh poy qa mporoyse na einai eykolh. Emeis den th syzhtame. Prospaqoyme me diaboyleysh kai dialogo, me oloys toys emplekomenoys foreis, kyriws me toys ergazomenoys, na katalhjoyme se ena sxedio nomoy, poy qa ginei nomos toy kratoys, etsi wste pragmatika na exoyme astikes sygkoinwnies, oi opoies qa antapokrinontai stis astikes sygkoinwnies mias megalhs sygxronhs polhs, opoy qa ejyphretoyntai oi anagkes toy polith. Exoyme doyleia mprosta mas gia na milame gia epitajh. Opws eipa prohgoymenws, to nomosxedio, meta to ypoyrgiko symboylio, qa teqei se diaboyleysh kai ayto einai poy exoyme mprosta mas. Emeis diasfalizoyme to dhmosio xarakthra twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn. Diasfalizoyme kyriws thn poiothta sthn paroxh yphresiwn apo tis astikes sygkoinwnies.

MOSXOBAS: Dyo erwthseis: H mia einai symplhrwmatikh sthn pro-prohgoymenh.

PETALWTHS: Stoys ciqyroys;

MOSXOBAS: Nai. Ypoqetw oti to qema syzhthqhke xqes kai sth syskech poy eixate gia thn Epitroph Strathgikhs kai Sxediasmoy. Sthn Epitroph ayth den syzhthqhke to qema Pagkaloy; Den einai mia apofash poy ekfrazei thn kybernhsh, aythn poy ekfrasate xqes sto briefing;

PETALWTHS: Den exei shmasia poy syzhthqhke h ti syzhteitai. Shmasia exei oti h kybernhsh qesmika ekfrazei tis apoceis ths mesw toy kybernhtikoy ekproswpoy.

MOSXOBAS: Twra moy prokaleite kai mia akomh erwthsh: An hsastan sth qesh toy k. Pagkaloy, qa eixate ypobalei thn paraithsh sas, meta ap' ayto poy qa sas elege o kybernhtikos ekproswpos;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, gnwrizw poly kala ti anefera kai gnwrizw poly kala ti lew aytes tis hmeres. O k. Pagkalos, epanalambanw, oso ki an qelete na janagyrisete sto qema toy k. Pagkaloy, exei kanei edw kai poly megalo xroniko diasthma kai me poly megalh barythta mia ejairetikh doyleia ws antiproedros ths Kybernhshs kai ayto ejakoloyqei na kanei. Ola ta alla einai ek toy perissoy. Epanalambanw de oti den asxoloymaste me ciqyroys.

MOSXOBAS: Otan omws lete oti ekfrazoyn ayton poy tis leei tis ekfraseis aytes, milhse me sygkekrimenes ekfraseis, milhse gia ``koprites'', milhse gia ``zwa'', den einai kai to pio timhtiko, qa elege kaneis. Allo h apoch ths kybernhshs na lete oti ekfrazoyn aytes oi ekfraseis ayton poy tis xrhsimopoiei. Den einai timhtiko. Ypoqetw oti ean hsastan sth qesh toy, rwtaw mallon, den ypoqetw, den qa eixate aisqanqei thn anagkh na paraithqeite, ean sas elege o kybernhtikos ekproswpos oti aytes oi ekfraseis ekfrazoyn esas ton idio;

PETALWTHS: Epeidh den skopeyw na epanelqw jana kai jana gia na exoyme ta idia kai ton idio kyklo erwthsewn kai ciqyrwn kai metaforas ciqyrwn akomh kai s' aythn edw thn aiqoysa, epanalambanw oti exei ekfrasqei h kybernhsh kai gia ton k. Pagkalo oti einai antiproedros ths kybernhshs me megalh barythta kai me ena shmantiko ergo to opoio exei mprosta toy kai to opoio epitelei.

MOSXOBAS: To ``mazeyete'' ligo h moy fainetai, shmera;

PETALWTHS: Oyte ``mazeyw'', oyte ``aplwnw'' tipota. Einai jekaqaro. Kai epiteloys, as sebastoyme ta pragmatika problhmata poy exei o ellhnikos laos gia na stamathsoyme na ginomaste, den to lew gia sas, metaforeis ciqyrwn, paizontas diaforoys roloys.

MOSXOBAS: Egw den metaferw ciqyroys.

PETALWTHS: To gnwrizw. Gi' ayto eipa ``den to lew gia sas''.

MOSXOBAS: Erwtw, kanw erwthsh: An hsastan sth qesh toy k. Pagkaloy, qa aisqanosastan thn anagkh na paraithqeite; Ayth einai mia aplh erwthsh.

PETALWTHS: Allh erwthsh.

MOSXOBAS: Se sxesh me to qema ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs gia thn ypoqesh ths Siemens: Osonoypw h Epitroph kataqetei to porisma ths. Den jerw ean exete na mas peite kati, ean exete kapoia plhroforhsh apo toys boyleytes sas h ean einai apoch na thn peite, alla en pash periptwsei yparxei - edw qa metaferw fhmes, plhrofories, reportaz dhladh- mia aisqhsh oti ta dyo megala kommata epixeiroyn na bgaloyn ena eniaio porisma kai na pane se parapomph, se proanakritikh Epitroph. Einai kapws etsi ta pragmata h oxi;

PETALWTHS: 'O,ti kai na pw qa prodikasw to porisma mias Ejetastikhs Epitrophs toy Koinoboylioy, to opoio diamorfwnetai. Nomizw oti gyrw stis 20 toy mhnos qa ekdoqei to porisma kai fysika mexri na ekdoqei, perimenoyme na doyme ti apofasisan kai ti proteinoyn oi boyleytes oi opoioi symmetexoyn sthn poly shmantikh ayth Epitroph. Omws, ekeino poy exw na pw einai h genikoterh arxh ths kybernhshs ``ola sto fws'', etsi wste na yparxei diafaneia, na yparxei h aisqhsh toy dikaioy, na yparxei h koinwnikh dikaiosynh se ola ta epipeda. Ayto einai dedomeno kai einai atalanteyth h apofash ths kybernhshs.

MOSXOBAS: Qa moy epitrecete me dedomeno to ``fiasko'' ths ypoqeshs Batopedioy, opoy polla eixame akoysei proeklogika kai meteklogika kai liga, elaxista eginan, meta thn chfo kai twn dikwn sas twn boyleytwn akomh, h kybernhsh fobatai oti qa perasei kai ayto to xarakthrisqen ws skandalo ths Siemens, xwris kanenas na dwsei logo gi' ayta ta opoia eginan;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, den symmerizomai ayto poy lete ``fiasko''. H proanakritikh gia to Batopedi katelhje se sygkekrimena symperasmata. Yphrxe h ypeyqynh stash twn boyleytwn toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy kai ej oswn gnwrizw, yparxoyn kai parapompes politikwn proswpwn gia to Batopedi. Pera apo to oti h ypoqesh ayth exei ena poly megalytero baqos, pera apo ton katalogismo eyqynwn se politika proswpa gia ta opoia apofasise hdh h Boylh kai exei kai poly dromo akomh to Batopedi. Apo ekei kai pera, epanalambanw oti einai genikoterh arxh ayths ths kybernhshs na bgoyn ola sto fws, gia na yparxei plhrhs kai apolyth diafaneia se o,ti afora to dhmosio bio.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh eixate afhsei mia ekkremothta xqes se erwthsh synadelfoy sxetika me th dikografia gia thn ypoqesh twn swaps toy 2001, yparxei kapoia strathgikh entos ths kybernhshs gia to pws qa to antimetwpisete sthn periptwsh poy zhthqei systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, ennow ean qa ginei mia koinh gia to 2007 ews 2009 kai to 2001;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos exei ekfrasqei polles fores gi' ayto to zhthma. To na prospaqhsoyn kapoioi na symchfisoyn ta dika toys egklhmata kata ths ellhnikhs oikonomias me thn eisodo ths xwras mas sthn ONE, einai toylaxiston, gia allh mia fora, egklhmatiko gia th xwra. Exoyme pei polles fores oti h nomimothta ths eisodoy ths xwras mas sthn ONE, exei kriqei apo ta idia ta koinotika organa, apo ta idia ta qesmika organa ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaia, ean teqei qema na diereynhqei o rolos allwn parametrwn, opws einai o rolos ths Goldman Sachs, emeis eimaste anoixtoi. Kai me thn ypeyqynothta poy diakrinei ayth thn kybernhsh, den qa ypoxwrhsoyme sto na ejetasqoyn ta panta. To na prospaqoyme, omws, na dhmioyrgoyme symchfismoys kai laqos entypwseis, kalyptei thn alhqeia gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia ki emeis den eimaste diateqeimenoi na synergasqoyme s' ayto. Alla apo edw kai pera, safws kai qeloyme to ``ola sto fws''. Einai arxh mas gia oloys kai gia ola.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Milame, dhladh, gia dyo diaforetikes Ejetastikes, ef' oson zhthqei ayth.

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti den exei teqei akomh qema Ejetastikhs. Yparxei mia dikografia h opoia diabibasqhke xqes sth Boylh, thn wra poy ginotan to briefing. Kai h Boylh apofasizei me tis dikes ths diadikasies, me ta dika ths organa gia to pws qa symperiferqei apenanti s' aythn thn dikografia, ti stash qa krathsei. Apo ekei kai pera, egw sas anefera th qesh ths kybernhshs, h opoia einai jekaqarh. Kai einai jekaqarh gia ola.

MOSXOBAS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh, kyrie Ekproswpe: O k. Papakwnstantinoy, se synenteyjh toy se jeno meso, eipe oti anamenei to epomeno dimhno mia shmantikh apofash. Anaferetai sto eyrwomologo h sthn epimhkynsh apoplhrwmhs toy xreoys mas;

PETALWTHS: To eyrwomologo einai mia shmantikotath apofash h opoia, bebaia, einai poly synqeth kai me polles parametroys. Einai mia ypoqesh, thn opoia jekinhse o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos kai exei labei eyrwpaikh diastash. Kai oloi pleon anagnwrizoyn oti to qema ayto einai ena qema poy afora olh thn Eyrwph kai oxi mono thn Ellada kai oti einai ena qema to opoio exei na kanei oxi mono me thn apoplhrwmh toy xreoys, giati kati tetoio qa adikoyse thn terastia prospaqeia, alla kyriws me thn anaptyjiakh diastash se eyrwpaiko epipedo. Yparxei, bebaia, periptwsh sto Eurogroup na yparxei qema epimhkynshs, opote ekei qa doyme kai th qesh ths Elladas kai to pws mporoyme na epwfelhqoyme apo opoiadhpote apofash aytoy toy shmantikoy koinotikoy organoy.

MOSXOBAS: Poy akribws anaferotan o k. Papakwnstantinoy; Sto eyrwomologo h sthn epimhkynsh;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw poy akribws anaferotan o k. Papakwnstantinoy, giati den exw sta xeria moy to akribes keimeno. Alla sas eipa ta dyo dedomena. H epimhkynsh piqanon na syzhthqei ton Ianoyario h ton Febroyario.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo apogeyma. --1427249692-595574515-1294785844=:6017--

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