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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 10 Dekembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 304537635

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 10 Dekembrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Syzhthqhke xqes sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, metajy twn allwn, o neos ependytikos nomos. Enas nomos poy allazei to skhniko poy epikratoyse mexri shmera stis ependyseis kai synepws sthn anaptyjh, me ta gnwsta problhmata, tis gnwstes paqogeneies poy gnwrizame mexri twra. Jekaqarizoyn oi kanones. Yparxei plhrhs elegxos stis dapanes. Den epitrepontai pleon pronomiakes, xaristikes kai syntexniakes ryqmiseis. H enhmerwsh einai plhrestath kai gia toys ependytes, alla fysika kai gia to kratos, gia to pws akribws ylopoieitai mia ependysh.

Apotelei th bash ths biwsimhs anaptyjhs kai thn afethria ths anaqermanshs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Gnwrizoyme, bebaia, oti h leitoyrgia enos ependytikoy nomoy den einai aytomath, oyte oi synepeies sthn anaptyjh ths xwras. O sygkekrimenos, wstoso, nomos dhmioyrgeitai, erxetai, qespizetai se ena poly sygkekrimeno ypostrwma reystothtas me ejasfalismenoys poroys, poy me swsth, xrhsth kai stoxeymenh diaxeirish, qa epiferei epiteloys anaptyjh, qeseis ergasias kai en telei eyhmeria.

To ependytiko plaisio einai pleon jekaqaro, me aysthra xronodiagrammata kai plhrh sebasmo toy dhmosioy xrhmatos. Ependytes, epixeirhmaties kai kratos xtizoyn sxeseis allhlosebasmoy poy basizontai se antikeimenika krithria kai jekaqares sxeseis me skopo thn anaptyjh ths xwras kai th dhmioyrgia qesewn ergasias.

Oson afora stis DEKO, proxwrame taxista se ejorqologismo ths leitoyrgias toys me tis gnwstes paqogeneies, me th gnwsth leitoyrgia toys kai tis synepeies sth dhmosia kai sthn oikonomikh zwh. Diasfalizoyme to dhmosio xarakthra toys, alla kai tis qeseis ergasias stoys organismoys aytoys, poy epi seira etwn apotelesan plhges sta dhmosionomika mas megeqh kai synepws sthn tseph kai toy Ellhna polith. Se polles periptwseis, bebaia, h sxesh amoibhs kai apodoshs apoteloyse proklhsh gia toys aploys Ellhnes polites.

Xarakthristika, anaferw oti ta sysswreymena elleimmata twn 11 pio zhmiogonwn DEKO yperdiplasiasthkan thn pentaetia 2004-2009, apo 5,6 dis eyrw mesa se ayta ta xronia poy kybernhse h N.D., efqasan sta 13,2 dis eyrw, enw oi syntexniakes antilhceis poy polles fores epikrathsan, epi dekaeties, se aytoys toys organismoys, odhghsan se misqologikes dapanes poy jepernoysan ta synolika esoda toy organismoy.

Bazoyme, loipon, tajh, se ayth thn katastash, opws exoyme ypoxrewsh na kanoyme, prostateyontas parallhla tis qeseis ergasias, alla kai th biwsimothta aytwn twn epixeirhsewn. Diafylassoyme, epishs, toys misqoys aytwn poy ameibontai mexri kai 1.800 eyrw mhniaiws. Apo thn allh pleyra, omws, den einai dynaton na prokaleitai to koinwniko synolo apo tis ejofqalma yperogkes amoibes poy polles fores htan se plhrh anantistoixia, me thn paragwgikothta orismenwn stelexwn. Ayto allazei me ton kaqorismo toy plafon anwterhs amoibhs twn 4.000 eyrw.

Oson afora sto kommati twn ergasiakwn sxesewn, periswsame tis kladikes symbaseis ergasias, diathrwntas to dikaiwma toy kratoys na epekteinei th genikh isxy toys se oles tis epixeirhseis enos kladoy. H epixeirhsh, apo thn pleyra ths, apokta thn eyelijia, otan einai emfanws kai antikeimenika se dysxerh qesh, mia eyelijia omws, me metro kai ayto einai to poly shmantiko stoixeio poy den prepei na parablepoyme. Gi` ayto, akribws, qespizoyme kai thn aitiologikh ekqesh toy na zhthsei mia epixeirhsh na ypaxqei se eidikh epixeirhsiakh symbash kai fysika mono me th symfwnia kai th synainesh kai twn ergazomenwn, etsi wste na synaptetai eidikh epixeirhsiakh symbash poy se kamia periptwsh, misqologika, den mporei na paei katw apo thn eqnikh syllogikh symbash ergasias.

O stoxos bebaia einai, se mia antikeimenika dyskolh periodo poy dianyoyme oloi, na epibiwsoyn ekeines oi problhmatikes epixeirhseis poy exoyn prooptikh, etsi wste na diathrhqoyn oi yfistamenes qeseis ergasias kai se synarthsh me ton ependytiko nomo na yparxei kai h dhmioyrgia newn qesewn ergasias.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

STRATAKHS: Qa hqela na mas dieykrinisete kati. Prin apo ligo, o k. Papandreoy apantwntas sth Genikh Grammatea toy K.K.E. Aleka Paparhga, sth Boylh, eipe oti den yparxei meiwsh misqwn ston idiwtiko tomea. Mporei na desmeytei h kybernhsh rhta kai kathgorhmatika oti ontws den qa yparjei meiwsh misqwn;

PETALWTHS: Sto plaisio toy nomoy kai sto plaisio twn ryqmisewn poy ginontai, emeis epixeiroyme ston idiwtiko tomea na swqoyn, prwta ap` ola, oi qeseis ergasias poy einai kati para poly basiko. Den exoyme thn polyteleia na xanontai shmera qeseis ergasias. Den exoyme thn polyteleia na kleinoyn epixeirhseis oi opoies aplws dianyoyn ena poly dyskolo xrono. Apo ekei kai pera, fysika, katoxyrwnoyme to plaisio toy nomimoy tropoy parembashs ths Politeias, etsi wste na mh qigei to eisodhma twn ergazomenwn s` aytes tis epixeirhseis kai gi` ayto, akribws, bazoyme kai to katwfli ths eqnikhs syllogikhs symbashs ergasias.

STRATAKHS: Qa moy epitrecete, omws, na pw oti an ontws symbainei ayto to opoio lete, den yphrxe logos na ginetai olh ayth h fasaria kai olos aytos o qorybos. H oloi emeis exoyme paqei omadikh parakroysh kai den katalabainoyme ti mas ginetai h edw yparxei ena problhma.

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw poios den katalabainei ti ginetai. Pantws, exoyme thn pepoiqhsh oti o ellhnikos laos katalabainei. Ayto prospaqoyme na ejhghsoyme.

STRATAKHS: Mporeite na desmeyteite rhta, loipon, ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs oti den qa yparxei to amesws prosexes diasthma, apo 1hs Ianoyarioy meiwsh twn misqwn ston idiwtiko xwro;

PETALWTHS: Sto plaisio poy mporei na parembei h Politeia, ayto akribws kanoyme. Kai epiteloys, na mh stroyqokamhlizoyme, na mh qewroyme oti yphrxe enas ergasiakos paradeisos ton opoio emeis katargoyme. Einai gnwsto, oti kleinoyn epixeirhseis kaqe hmera. Einai gnwsto oti xanontai qeseis ergasias kaqe hmera. Einai gnwsto oti se polles epixeirhseis ginetai oysiastika nomos to na yparxoyn atomikes symbaseis, etsi wste na yparxoyn eytelismenoi misqoi ston idiwtiko tomea. Emeis qetoyme kanones. Emeis, ayth thn eyelijia kai thn teleia aporyqmish twn ergasiakwn sxesewn th ryqmizoyme kai fernoyme thn eyelijia opoy xreiazetai kai me tis sygkekrimenes proypoqeseis kai oroys synaineshs twn ergazomenwn. Kai fernoyme to metro, etsi wste na mhn yparxoyn atomikes symbaseis kai gi` ayto diasfalizoyme kai thn epektash twn kladikwn symbasewn, alla kai tis eidikes epixeirhsiakes symbaseis. Opoios qelei na mas pei oti shmera sta ergasiaka yparxei paradeisos kai emeis fernoyme to mesaiwna, sigoyra den antimetwpizei swsta kai logika toys Ellhnes polites. Akribws, mesa s` ayto to terastio qolo topio poy yparxei, alla poy qa yparjei kai akomh perissotero, logw toy baqematos ths krishs ean den parembei h Politeia gia th ryqmish twn ergasiakwn sxesewn mesa se dyskoles synqhkes, mesa apo sklhres diapragmateyseis me toys etairoys mas, etsi wste na prostateyontai kai oi qeseis ergasias, alla na prostateyetai kai to ergasiako status twn Ellhnwn ergazomenwn. Kai ayto qa fanei kai sthn prajh.

STRATAKHS: Epitrecte moy na pw oti den phra apanthsh, sto an desmeyeste oti den yparjei meiwsh ston idiwtiko tomea.

PETALWTHS: Kata poso to antilambaneste ayto, einai diko sas qema. Eseis milhsate gia omadikh parakroysh. Einai to pws to antilambanetai kaqenas.

PITTARAS: Epeidh to epanalambanei diarkws o k. Papandreoy, oti stoxos einai h anaptyjh kai malista oso to dynaton pio syntoma, ton akoyme na leei kai gia to telos toy 2011, mporeite na mas peite me poion maqhmatiko typo mporei na epiteyxqei ayth h anaptyjh, otan meiwnontai oi misqoi; Dhladh, h dynamh ths agoras einai o katanalwths. Aytos poy den exei xrhma na katanalwsei, pws qa erqei h anaptyjh, pws qa kinhqei to xrhma sthn agora;

PETALWTHS: Einai safes, oti den htan kai den qa htan syneidhth epilogh mas toy na meiwnetai h agorastikh dynamh toy Ellhna polith gia polloys logoys, oxi mono gia na mporei na katanalwnei kai na kineitai h agora, alla giati to eisodhma toy Ellhna polith einai iero gia emas. Zoyme, omws, se sygkekrimenes synqhkes. Yparxei mia pagkosmia pragmatikothta. Yparxei mia ellhnikh pragmatikothta. Yparxei mia krish, apo thn opoia safws kai den bghkame. Briskomaste sto meson ayths ths krishs. Emeis, dhmioyrgoyme prooptikes kai elpida. Kai mesa se ayth thn krish poy yparxei, prospaqoyme kai qewroyme epityxws, na ryqmisoyme tis ergasiakes sxeseis kai na katoxyrwsoyme to eisodhma toy Ellhna polith, mesa se aytes tis poly dyskoles synqhkes. Einai safestato oti qa protimoysame na einai ta pragmata diaforetika. Qa protimoysame na milame gia ayjhseis twn misqwn kai sto dhmosio kai ston idiwtiko tomea. Omws, gia na mporesoyme na epibiwsoyme apo ayth thn krish, giati einai qema epibiwshs ths xwras mas, prepei na laboyme sygkekrimenes apofaseis. Aytes oi apofaseis exoyn lhfqei edw kai ena arketa megalo xroniko diasthma me th symbash poy periexetai sto mnhmonio kai me tis desmeyseis mas, gia na mporesoyme na daneistoyme. Giati htan aparaithto na mporesoyme na daneistoyme gia na mporesoyme na yparxoyme. Shmera, prospaqoyme na beltiwsoyme oso to dynaton, fysika, polles ryqmiseis poy yparxoyn sto mnhmonio, alla kai na katoxyrwsoyme me isodynama metra, anaferomai kai sthn ayjhsh kai meiwsh, fysika, toy FPA, etsi wste me isodynama apotelesmata kai synepeis na eimaste stis ypoxrewseis mas, apenanti stoys etairoys, alla kyriws estw kai me ayto to synthrhtiko ryqmo na mporesoyme na katoxyrwsoyme tis qeseis ergasias kai to eisodhma twn politwn.

TSAKIRHS: Qa hqela na mas kanete ena sxolio gia tis boles poy dexqhke xqes h k. Katselh, kata th diarkeia toy ypoyrgikoy symboylioy, sxetika me to oti kallierghse ena klima oysiastika prosdokias oti qa mporoysate na petyxete poly perissotera sth diapragmateysh me thn troika gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis.

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy endiaferei emas, einai na yparxei apotelesma. Oloi krinomaste ek toy apotelesmatos. Gnwrizoyme se ti dyskoles synqhkes briskomaste. Gnwrizoyme oti akomh kai gia na epiteyxqei to mnhmonio, eprepe na ginoyn sklhres diapragmateyseis kai oi ypoyrgoi mas tis ekanan. Pragmatika, ejantlhsan kaqe periqwrio. Alla kai gia na ginei mia eidikoterh ryqmish twn ergasiakwn sxesewn kai twn misqwn kai opoiondhpote allwn ryqmisewn, poy periexontai ws desmeyseis sto mnhmonio, oi diapragmateyseis aytes einai sklhres kai einai diapragmateyseis poy ginontai kaqe hmera kai kaqe wra. Oi diapragmateyseis teleiwsan ligo prin apo to ypoyrgiko symboylio, giati caxnoyme na broyme ekeina ta metra poy qa anakoyfisoyn toys Ellhnes polites, ta opoia qa einai ta ligotera epwdyna gia ton Ellhna polith. Kai ayto to kanoyn oloi oi ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs. Fysika, to ekane kai h k. Katselh.

TSAKIRHS: H diapragmateysh htan petyxhmenh;

PETALWTHS: Ek toy apotelesmatos, bebaiws h diapragmateysh htan epityxhmenh, xwris na einai o katallhlos xronos na anaferoyme ti eixe mpei sto trapezi ths diapragmateyshs. Fysika, otan exoyme ayta ta apotelesmata, qewroyme oti h diapragmateysh htan petyxhmenh. Fysika, throymenwn twn analogiwn kai gnwrizontas, gia na mh mas kathgoroyn kai gia ametroepeia, poly kala oloi mas omws, oxi mono h kybernhsh, se poies synqhkes kinoymaste kai poia einai ta dhmosionomika mas oria, etsi wste na mporoyme na exoyme misqoys oi opoioi na einai antistoixoi ths ellhnikhs pragmatikothtas.

SIDERHS: 'Exw dyo erwthseis. H prwth: Pro oligoy, sth Boylh, o Prwqypoyrgos afhse anoixto to endexomeno na yparjei dhmochfisma gia thn anaqewrhmenh Synqhkh ths Lisabonas. Se ti akribws qa synistatai to erwthma toy dhmochfismatos;

PETALWTHS: Eseis qewreite oti to afhse anoixto.

SIDERHS: Epitrecte moy: Eipe oti ``exw pei sth Merkel pws mporei na xreiastei na kanw dhmochfisma''.

PETALWTHS: Ayta einai meros mias syzhthshs poy diejagetai. Kai fysika, den mporoyme na kaqorisoyme apo twra oyte ton tropo, oyte ta erwthmata enos dhmochfismatos. Ayto omws moy dinei thn eykairia, kyrie Siderh, na pw einai oti h oikonomikh mas katastash einai ejairetika krisimh kai me ameses synepeies sto biotiko epipedo twn politwn. Alla qa prepei, ontws, na qymhqoyme oti sth Synodo Koryfhs stis 16 kai 17 Dekembrioy qa kriqoyn poly shmantika zhthmata gia thn idia thn yparjh ths Eyrwphs. Kai ekei, pragmatika, qa prepei oloi na antilhfqoyme to megeqos ths eyqynhs mas. Giati exoyme na kanoyme oxi me aples diapragmateyseis ths Elladas me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, alla gia diapragmateyseis mesa sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh poy kaqorizoyn to mellon twn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn, ths eyrwpaikhs enothtas, ths eyrwpaikhs enopoihshs, me ameso antiktypo sto epipedo zwhs toy 'Ellhna polith. Ayto qa prepei na to qymomaste. Qa prepei na mhn to jexname. Gi' ayto akribws o Prwqypoyrgos pairnei prwtoboylia ayth th stigmh na synanthqei me toys politikoys arxhgoys twn ellhnikwn koinoboyleytikwn kommatwn, me plaisio thn eyrwpaikh Synodo Koryfhs, opoy einai poly shmantika ta zhthmata kai oxi qewrhtika eyrwpaika. Shmantika kai gia th xwra mas, h opoia kineitai bebaiws entos toy eyrwpaikoy gignesqai.

SIDERHS: H deyterh erwthsh moy: Sth Boylh o k. Prwqypoyrgos eipe: ``Emeis oi sosialistes''. Dedomenoy oti einai kai Proedros ths Sosialistikhs Dieqnoys, ayto to qaymasto montelo twn ergasiakwn sxesewn, qa to proteinei kai stoys alloys sosialistes;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap'ola kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, alla kai egw kai alla stelexh ths kybernhshs, exoyme tonisei epaneilhmmenws oti kinoymaste se poly idiaiteres synqhkes, se poly sklhres synqhkes kai fysika prospaqoyme me metro thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh na paroyme ekeines tis apofaseis, poy kai ws xwra qa mas epitrepoyn na yparxoyme kai hdh to kanoyme fysika, alla kai mia stenwpo thn opoia pername anagkastika ayto to xroniko diasthma, na thn perasei Ellhnas poliths me tis ligotero epwdynes apofaseis. Otan exoyme na kanoyme me sosialistiko kai programmatiko logo, pragmatika, qa prepei na lambanoyme yp' ocin kai tis sygkekrimenes synqhkes. Giati an qeloyme na milame qewrhtika, einai para poly wraio kai poly eykolo na milame, alla h ideologia polles fores krinetai sthn prajh. Ki emeis to kyriarxo stoixeio ths ideologias mas, poy einai h koinwnikh dikaiosynh, to qetoyme ws krithrio kai fysika me gnwmona to dhmosio symferon ws krithrio olwn twn apofasewn mas, akomh kai twn epwdynwn apofasewn mas gia ton Ellhna polith, opoy xreiazetai fysika.

MARAQIAS: 'Hqela na rwthsw giati h kybernhsh proxwrei sthn chfish aytoy toy polynomosxedioy me th diadikasia toy katepeigontos -enos toso shmantikoy nomosxedioy- kai den dinei th dynatothta sta kommata kai toys boyleytes na to melethsoyn kai na poyn jekaqara tis qeseis toys kai tis apoceis toys sthn Olomeleia, thn wra poy gia alla nomosxedia, isws mikroterhs shmasias, yparxei perissoteros xronos gia syzhthsh kai chfish apo thn ellhnikh Boylh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, exoyme sygkekrimena xronika periqwria, etsi wste na yparjei chfish shmantikwn nomosxediwn. Periqwria ta opoia exoyn sxesh me tis ektaktes synqhkes tis opoies biwnoyme kai politeyomaste oloi mas. Synepws, me dedomeno oti ta periqwria einai para poly stena xronika, poy shmainei oti qa prepei se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma na perasoyme megales diarqrwtikes allages - einai alhqeia- yparxei xwros, xronos kai periqwrio na akoystoyn oles oi apoceis, na ginei dhmosia syzhthsh kai fysika sto plaisio ths Boylhs einai ola anoixta. Kai as mhn jexname oti oson afora stis DEKO, milame gia ta oikonomika stoixeia twn zhmiogonwn DEKO, ta opoia twra ryqmizoyme. Gia tis megales diarqrwtikes allages, qa yparjei epomeno nomosxedio, opoy qa mporesoyn na klhqoyn kai na ekfrasoyn thn apoch toys oles oi dynameis.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sas ikanopoiei kai pws sxoliazete th dhlwsh toy k. Ren oti xanei ton xrono toy asxoloymenos me thn Ellada;

PETALWTHS: Ayto, ypoqetw oti to eipe o k. Ren xaritologwntas kai etsi prepei na to krinoyme. O k. Ren kanei mia sklhrh doyleia. Akomh kai xqes poy synanthqhke me ton Prwqypoyrgo k. Papandreoy syzhtoysan gia ta megala eyrwpaika zhthmata, alla kai tis sxeseis ths xwras mas me ayta.

STRATAKHS: 'Hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Mhpws yparxei mia antifash sta osa prohgoymenws anaferqhkan, oti apo th mia pleyra ginontan diapragmateyseis me thn troika gia to nomosxedio peri ta ergasiaka mexri thn teleytaia stigmh kai apo thn allh twra mas lete oti yparxei periqwrio kai xronos na yparjei antallagh apocewn; Telika yparxei, einai proion diapragmateyshs ayto to nomosxedio h einai proion diapragmateyshs me toys koinwnikoys etairoys; Na jeroyme dhladh.

PETALWTHS: Na gnwrizoyme oti kinoymeqa se sygkekrimeno plaisio. Na gnwrizoyme oti exoyme ypoxrewseis kai desmeyseis. Na mhn jepername ta dhmosionomika mas oria. Kai ayta ta oria ta syzhtame me toys etairoys mas. Apo ekei kai pera, an ginetai na yparjoyn ryqmiseis isodynames alla entos twn stoxwn mas, aytes einai eyprosdektes.

TSAKIRHS: Hqela na rwthsw giati den epediwje o Prwqypoyrgos aytes tis synanthseis gia thn ejasfalish ths synaineshs me toys politikoys arxhgoys, prin parei oles aytes tis epwdynes kai odynhres apofaseis.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, den einai oles oi apofaseis epwdynes kai odynhres. Einai apofaseis poy aforoyn kai diarqrwtikes allages, poy den eginan edw kai dekaeties. Oi apofaseis aytes exoyn na kanoyn me allages oi opoies einai diarqrwtikes kai apotinassoyn paqogeneies pollwn dekaetiwn, gia na mhn isopedwnoyme ta panta. Kai fysika, epanelaba kai epanalambanw oti ta xronika oria poy eixame htan para poly stena kai mesa s' ayta ta oria ginontai osa mporoyme na kanoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei periqwrio skecewn, syzhthsewn kai protasewn. Yparxei dhmosios dialogos, yparxei dhmosia syzhthsh. Stis epafes poy qa ginoyn me toys politikoys arxhgoys mporoyn na teqoyn zhthmata ta opoia qa hqelan, profanws, na qesoyn oi politikoi arxhgoi.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa adikhsete osoys qa sas kathgorhsoyn oti toys fernete pro tetelesmenwn;

PETALWTHS: Poioys;

MOYRELATOS: 'Osoi ek twn politikwn arxhgwn, me ton ena h me ton allo tropo, yposthrijoyn oti toys fernete pro tetelesmenwn. Kai ara, se poio pedio qa epiteyxqei synainesh;

PETALWTHS: To zhtoymeno einai na lambanontai apofaseis. Makari kai h N.D. na epairne apofaseis, estw kai mia diarqrwtikh allagh na ekane sta 5,5 - 6 xronia diakybernhshs ths. Emeis exoyme ypoxrewsh pros ton ellhniko lao, pros ton Ellhna polith, na proxwrhsoyme kapoies katastaseis. Kai ayto kanoyme. H synainesh einai mia diarkhs proklhsh. Yparxei dynatothta oloi oi politikoi arxhgoi, oles oi politikes dynameis, akomh kai oloi oi dieqneis synomilhtes na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys. Eimaste apo tis pio anoixtes kybernhseis sto na akoyme kai na syzhtame. Synepws, nomizw oti kaneis den mporei na paraponeqei oti den eisakoysthke s' ayth th syzhthsh, h opoia ginetai gia ta sygkekrimena zhthmata.

PITTARAS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw 2-3 pragmata se sxesh me to polynomosxedio. Prwton, giati den exei thn ypografh toy k. Benizeloy;

PETALWTHS: Xqes, o k. Benizelos briskotan sth Qessalonikh. Exei kanei sygkekrimenes dhlwseis. Dhlwseis oi opoies, fysika, synadoyn me tis dhlwseis ths kybernhshs. Kai aitiologei me enan ejairetiko tropo th lhch aytwn twn apofasewn. Typika, den gnwrizw ean to polynomosxedio eprepe na ferei thn ypografh toy. Pantws, safws kai den yparxei zhthma.

PITTARAS: Mas eipate prin oti bazete tajh sta ths DEKO, ejorqologizete misqoys kai ta loipa. Diabazw, edw, se ena arqro toy polynomosxedioy oti ``epitrepetai h yperbash toy orioy aytoy (twn 1.800 kai twn 4.000 poy eipate) gia stelexh anwterw forewn poy katexoyn qesh eyqynhs kai exoyn eidika prosonta''. H ejairesh gia poion akribws logo ginetai; Yparxoyn eidika prosonta kai eidikes anagkes;

PETALWTHS: Profanws yparxei problech gia anqrwpoys me ejairetika prosonta oi opoioi analambanoyn qeseis eyqynhs.

PITTARAS: Epipleon, sto arqro 7 ginetai anafora...

PETALWTHS: Eyxaristo einai, pantws, oti ``jekokalizete'' to nomosxedio! Ayto einai shmantiko.

PITTARAS: ... sta lhjiproqesma xreh pros to Dhmosio, ta opoia bebaiwmena apo tis DYO einai 32 dis 500 ekatommyria kai exoyn xarakthrisqei ws anepidekta eisprajhs ena poso gyrw sta 24 dis. Ayta pane yper pistews;

PETALWTHS: Yparxoyn episfaleis apaithseis, oi opoies ek twn pragmatwn, antikeimenika exei apodeixqei oti den eisprattontai, den mporoyn na eispraxqoyn gia diaforoys logoys. Otan oi antikeimenikoi logoi einai toso isxyroi poy katateinoyn sto oti den prokeitai na eispraxqoyn, tote ekkaqarizontai apo ta mhtrwa, xwris na xanetai h ypoxrewsh aytoy poy ta ofeilei, oti ean yparjoyn oi synqhkes poy epitrepoyn thn eisprajh toys, qa eispraxqoyn. Alla to na gemizoyme kai na ``foylaroyme'' me xreh ta opoia omws ek twn pragmatwn den qa eispraxqoyn antikeimenika, nomizw oti dhmioyrgei texniko problhma. Pantws, den xarizetai se kanenan tipota.

TSAKIRHS: Qa hqela na epanelqw sto qema ths synanthshs twn politikwn arxhgwn. Hqela na rwthsw giati oysiastika pleon toys kaleite sto Megaro Majimoy se mia tetoia synanthsh, apo th stigmh poy opws eipate ki eseis prin, to zhtoymeno einai na pairnontai apofaseis. Tis apofaseis sas tis phrate kai malista kai me ejpres diadikasies tis kataqesate sth Boylh. Twra, ti perimenete ap' aytoys; Synainesh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, h synainesh einai ena stoixeio ths politikhs mas. Einai to zhtoymeno. Einai mia diarkhs proklhsh.

TSAKIRHS: Einai aifnidiasmos h synainesh;

PETALWTHS: Kai prosklhsh. To plaisio to opoio qa teqei sth synanthsh twn politikwn arxhgwn einai ena plaisio genikotero, ena plaisio eyrytero. 'Exoyme th Synodo Koryfhs mprosta mas, opoy qa teqoyn shmantika zhthmata gia thn Eyrwph, me amesh epiptwsh kai gia th xwra mas. Kai ekei qeloyme na yparxei h qesh, h topoqethsh twn politikwn arxhgwn, etsi wste na mporesoyme na antimetwpisoyme me mia synolikh qesh eyqynhs ayth thn pragmatikothta, h opoia anagennatai mesa sthn Eyrwph. Apo ekei kai pera, fysika, otidhpote qelhsoyn oi politikoi arxhgoi na syzhthqei, qa einai mesa sto plaisio ths syzhthshs. Kai h synainesh den arxizei oyte teleiwnei se ena nomosxedio. Alimono an legame oti zhtame th synainesh gia ena nomosxedio mono, tote ek toy apotelesmatos qa adikoyse kai toys politikoys arxhgoys, alla kai th legomenh synainesh, h opoia qa htan synainesh a la carte.

MARAQIAS: Pws antimetwpizei h pws sxoliazei prokatabolika, isws, h kybernhsh tis megales kinhtopoihseis poy programmatizontai gia thn epomenh ebdomada kai oi opoies polles exoyn apofasisqei apo swmateia kai syndikalistikes organwseis kai kladoys poy elegxontai apo thn PASKE, th syndikalistikh paratajh poy proskeitai sto kybernwn komma;

PETALWTHS: Oi ergazomenoi exoyn dikaiwma na kinhtopoioyntai, exoyn dikaiwma na diamartyrontai. Apo edw kai pera, einai qesh kai proklhsh kai toy syndikalistikoy kinhmatos shmera na exei mia qesh eyqynhs, xwris na xanei ton diekdikhtiko kai agwnistiko xarakthra toy. Alla, otan leme oti oloi mas qa prepei na analogistoyme tis eyqynes mas, ennooyme oloi mas.

STRATAKHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia to 5% epi toy AEP epipleon metra, poy mas zhta h troika ton Martio. Yparxei kapoia plhroforhsh;

PETALWTHS: Emeis jekinhsame mia seira apo diarqrwtikes allages. Den qa stamathsoyme na proxwrame se diarqrwtikes allages, oi opoies einai para polles, polles ap' aytes synqetes kai oles lambanontai se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma. Emeis aytes tis allages qa tis kanoyme oytws h allws, giati ontws kai parapanw esoda qeloyme na exoyme, alla kai giati bazoyme ta qemelia, etsi wste, meta thn krish na mporoyme na milame gia mia diaforetikh xwra apallagmenh apo polles paqogeneies. Emeis kanoyme aytes tis diarqrwtikes allages, poy epi dekaeties den mporoyse na tis dianohqei kaneis.

Eyxaristw.

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