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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 22 Noembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 301011824

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 22 Noembrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Mesa se ejairetika dyskoles synqhkes, klhqhkame ws kybernhsh na xeiristoyme thn krish ths xwras mas, sthn opoia mphkame aqwrakistoi. Me poly megalo kopo kai me thn ajiopistia ths xwras mas sto nadir, kataferame na peisoyme gia th dhmioyrgia toy Eyrwpaikoy Mhxanismoy Sthrijhs. Tote o k. Samaras mas loidoroyse kai mas proteine anti mias sobarhs politikhs kai ypeyqynhs protashs, na akoloyqhsoyme to paradeigma ths Irlandias.

Na qymisw oti stis 11 Oktwbrioy sthn Kerkyra, o k. Samaras, eixe dhlwsei oti dhqen to mnhmonio den htan monodromos, opws einai h qesh ths kybernhshs, kai oti twra hrqe h dikaiwsh ths N.D., giati xwres opws h Portogalia kai h Irlandia den ypegracan mnhmonio, parolo poy eixan paromoia me ta dika mas problhmata, bghkan kai daneisthkan akriba apo tis agores, alla den edesan tis xwres toys xeiropodara, opws ekane h kybernhsh toy PA.SO.K. Aytoi, kata thn apoch toy, apedeijan oti to mnhmonio den htan monodromos, oyte gia thn Ellada. Proteiname, leei o k. Samaras, sthn kybernhsh na kanei o,ti ekane kai h Irlandia, h opoia omologhse elleimma 32%, alla daneisthke ola osa xreiazetai gia ena xrono mprosta, ews ta mesa toy 2011.

Ti mas lene twra; Oti hqele na koroidecei toys koytofragkoys kai h Irlandia; Kai teleiwnei, legontas gia thn kybernhsh toy PA.SO.K. oti ``ta exoyn xasei teleiws kai den jeroyn ti lene''.

Dystyxws, fainetai oti o k. Samaras den dikaiwnetai apo tis ejelijeis. Dystyxws kai gia thn Irlandia, alla kai gia tis xwres poy antimetwpizoyn paromoia problhmata.

Eytyxws, omws, gia oloys mas dhmioyrghqhke o Eyrwpaikos Mhxanismos Sthrijhs, o mhxanismos staqerothtas ston opoio prwtostathsame, giati eixame thn anagkh na diasfalisoyme thn Ellada. Emeis apo tote ergazomaste sklhra, wste na antapejelqoyme plhrws stoys stoxoys poy qesame, na staqeropoihsoyme th xwra, na bgoyme apo thn krish kai na ylopoihsoyme sygxronws tis megales allages gia th xwra mas kai gia toys polites.

Einai, loipon, kairos kai oles oi politikes dynameis na synaisqanqoyn thn megalh eyqynh poy exoyme apenanti ston topo, oloi mazi kai na arqoyn oloi sto ycos twn peristasewn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h k. Katselh apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

PETALWTHS: Ayth thn erwthsh thn exw akoysei para polles fores. To exoyme pei polles fores oti h kybernhsh dra eniaia, dra syllogika. Kai aytes tis meres h kybernhsh synergazetai me thn troika edw kai fysika apo ta apotelesmata ayths ths synergasias prokyptei oti ylopoioyme toys stoxoys mas.

KOYTRAS: Allo pragma rwthsa.

PETALWTHS: Katalaba ti rwthsate.

KOYTRAS: An o k. Papandreoy empisteyetai thn k. Katselh.

PETALWTHS: O k. Papandreoy empisteyetai oloys toys ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs.

MOSXOBAS: Einai sthn kybernhtikh grammh h apoch poy ejefrase h k. Katselh me to arqro ths sto ``Bhma'';

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, milate gia to arqro h gia toys titloys toy arqroy;

MOSXOBAS: Gia to arqro.

PETALWTHS: Giati oi titloi toy arqroy den exoyn kamia sxesh me ayta ta opoia perilambanontai mesa. Exei dhlwsei kai h k. Katselh oti oi titloi mphkan ayqaireta apo thn efhmerida h opoia filojenei to arqro.

MOSXOBAS: Einai ennoei dhmosiografikh doyleia, den einai ths ypoyrgoy. Alla, egw rwtw gia thn...

PETALWTHS: Einai arqro kai den einai synenteyjh.

MOSXOBAS: Nai, ap` oso jerw toylaxiston omws sto arqro den bazei synenteyjh o arqrografos. En pash periptwsei, o ylatzhs, o ypeyqynos, o arxisyntakths k.t.l. to ebgale. An qelei na ginei ylatzhs h k. Katselh mporei.

PETALWTHS: Exw allh apoch kai mporw na th stoixeioqethsw.

MOSXOBAS: Epi ths oysias. Einai h grammh ths kybernhshs ayth thn opoia ekfrazei h k. Katselh;

PETALWTHS: H troika brisketai edw. To qema twn ergasiakwn sxesewn einai ena qema para poly shmantiko kai exei symfwnhqei pro polloy, perilambanetai mesa sto mnhmonio. Twra ayto poy ginetai einai na diapragmateyomaste toys tropoys efarmoghs. Den tiqetai zhthma na diapragmateyomaste apo thn arxh tis ergasiakes sxeseis. Exoyme pei, polles fores, oti oi syllogikes symbaseis ergasias einai aytes poy mas ekfrazoyn. Oi epixeirhsiakes, omws, symbaseis ergasias ginontai gia na swqoyn oses epixeirhseis exoyn problhma. Kai exoyme pei oti den qa afhsoyme epixeirhseis na kleinoyn, alla se periorismeno xroniko diasthma kai me periorismeno tropo qa isxyoyn epixeirhsiakes symbaseis ergasias.

MOSXOBAS: Sygnwmh poy epimenw, eiste yper ths apochs ths k. Katselh;

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa poia einai h apoch ths kybernhshs.

MOSXOBAS: Exei diafora ths k. Katselh apo th dikh sas;

PETALWTHS: Egw sas anefera thn apoch ths kybernhshs kai ayth einai kai apoch ths k. Katselh.

MOSXOBAS: Egw rwthsa ean einai entos grammhs h k. Katselh, mporeite na moy to...

PETALWTHS: Eseis qelete na akoysete mia sygkekrimenh apanthsh. Egw sas lew poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs, apo thn opoia den afistatai kai h k. Katselh.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sthn arxh ths topoqethshs sas, peripoy panhgyrisate poy h Irlandia...

PETALWTHS: Kaqoloy. Dyo fores, toylaxiston, eipa ``dystyxws''.

MOYRELATOS: Na rwthsw an h kybernhsh exei prosmetrhsei tis piqanes epiptwseis ths ypagwghs ths Irlandias sto mhxanismo sthrijhs, gia th dikh mas thn periptwsh pleon kai ti qa shmainei ayto, an ypaxqoyn se ayto ton mhxanismo kai alles xwres, opws fhmologeitai entonws, oti akoloyqei h Portogalia.

PETALWTHS: Fysika, eyxomaste kamia xwra ths Eyrwphs kai toy kosmoy na mhn antimetwpizei problhmata dhmosionomikhs krishs, h opoiasdhpote allhs morfhs. Ayto poy endiefere emas - kai jekinhsame dystyxws apo thn Ellada, logw anagkhs- einai na yparxei ena ``majilari'', enas mhxanismos poy qa sthrijei tis opoies xwres stis daneiakes toys anagkes, gia na mhn antimetwpisoyn toys idioys kradasmoys kai tis idies terasties dyskolies poy antimetwpisame kai emeis. Aytoi oi kradasmoi, poy mporei na antimetwpizei opoiadhpote xwra ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, safws exoyn epiptwseis kai stis ypoloipes xwres. Ara, oso yparxei staqeros mhxanismos poy sthrizei tis xwres me oikonomika problhmata, qa diasfalizetai kai h dikh mas oikonomikh staqerothta kai asfaleia. Ejalloy, yparxei mia dhlwsh twn symmetexontwn ypoyrgwn Oikonomikwn toy Eurogroup sthn opoia exoyme prosxwrhsei kai emeis kai ekfrazei kai th xwra mas.

PITTARAS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia to prohgoymeno qema. An mporeite na mas jekaqarisete, giati den exoyme katalabei, ti telika qa isxysei gyrw apo tis ergasiakes sxeseis. Se poio shmeio einai twra, ypotiqetai h diapragmateysh, an exei katalhjei kai ti telika qa isxysei. Dhladh, se sxesh me tis epixeirhsiakes kai tis kladikes symbaseis.

PETALWTHS: Den qa sas pw shmera, giati shmera ginontai diapragmateyseis me thn troika. Shmera, qa teleiwsoyn kai ayrio qa doqei h synenteyjh Typoy apo thn troika, opoy qa ginoyn kai anakoinwseis.

PITTARAS: H grammh ths kybernhshs gyrw apo ayto to qema, mporeite na mas peite, toylaxiston, poia einai;

PETALWTHS: Thn exoyme pei. Alla, oso ginontai oi diapragmateyseis me thn troika, ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos, den qelw na anaferqw se ena qema to opoio akomh syzhteitai.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Yparxei, dhladh, periptwsh na yparjei kaqolikh efarmogh oi epixeirhsiakes symbaseis, na yperisxyoyn twn kladikwn;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei tetoia periptwsh. Sas exw anaferei, omws, oti briskomaste se fash diapragmateyshs. Synepws, qa moy epitrecete shmera na mh milhsw gia kati poy einai ypo diapragmateysh. Einai poly eyaisqhto kommati gia oloys mas. Synepws, as to afhsoyme na oloklhrwqei h diapragmateysh toy kai qa epanelqoyme.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Ara, tiqetai tetoio qema sth diapragmateysh me thn troika.

PETALWTHS: To ermhneyete ayqaireta. Egw sas eipa oti oi diapragmateyseis synexizontai. Synepws, as perimenoyme na teleiwsoyn gia na doyme kai thn katastalagmenh qesh.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Ayto poy kataggelletai, einai oti exete pei oti den yparjoyn meiwseis misqwn, isxyei;

PETALWTHS: Nai.

PITTARAS: Prin apo ena xrono h megalh syzhthsh htan - kai eseis malista bgainate kai legate oti dwsate maxh gia na mhn kopoyn o 13os kai o 14os misqos ston idiwtiko tomea. Twra, ypotiqetai oti eiste se mia allh maxh gyrw apo tis ergasiakes sxeseis. Ti maxh dinete gia na katalaboyme kai den mporeite na mas peite poia einai h qesh sas;

PETALWTHS: H qesh mas einai gnwsth. To qema einai oti shmera, aytes tis wres, ginetai h diapragmateysh.

PITTARAS: Sygnwmh, dinete maxh gia th qesh sas h na aporricete th qesh ths troikas;

PETALWTHS: Se mia diapragmateysh tiqentai qeseis kai zhthmata. Ara, den yparxei aspro - mayro, giati akoloyqeitai kai mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia. Se ayth th diadikasia entassetai h diapragmateysh ths kybernhshs me thn troika, etsi wste na breqei h kalyterh kai h pio epieikhs qesh gia toys ergazomenoys kai fysika h pio apodotikh gia to dhmosio symferon.

SIDERHS: Apopoieiste toys titloys toy arqroy, dexeste to periexomeno. O xronos poy dhmosieythke htan o pleon prosforoteros kai ejypnoteros th stigmh poy mia mera meta qa dinotan h synenteyjh;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei ena arqro, yparxoyn qeseis, omws yparxei h qesh ths kybernhshs poy exei ekfrastei. Kai sto Mnhmonio einai symfwnhmenh h qesh, o tropos efarmoghs einai ypo diapragmateysh.

SIDERHS: Me sygxwreite, h k. Katselh leei oti htan ena episthmoniko arqro. Einai omws ypoyrgos, diapragmateyetai me thn troika kai akomh den exei oloklhrwqei h diapragmateysh. Einai mono ena episthmoniko arqro h einai mia parembash di' alloy tropoy;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei kybernhsh, yparxoyn organa, yparxoyn qesmoqethmenes diadikasies mesw twn opoiwn ginetai h kaqe syzhthsh, h kaqe diapragmateysh, eidika me thn troika. Kai fysika h kybernhsh milaei gia ayta.

NEDOS: To Megaro Majimoy htan enhmerwmeno gia to periexomeno toy arqroy ths k. Katselh; To hjeran;

PETALWTHS: To na yparxei dhmosiografikh enasxolhsh kai aporia einai qemito, hdh apo xqes asxoleiste. Alla, otan shmera diakybeyontai shmantika zhthmata gia th xwra mas, nomizw oti xanoyme thn oysia an menoyme se tetoies leptomereies, xwris na qelw fysika na ypobaqmisw to ergo sas.

MARAQIAS: Se ayth th diapragmateysh poy einai se ejelijh gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis, me poia qesh proserxetai h kybernhsh kai me poia qesh proserxetai h troika;

PETALWTHS: H diapragmateysh synexizetai to apogeyma. Eipa kai prohgoymenws oti qa htan akomco ek meroys moy na prokatabalw me qeseis oi opoies einai ypo diapragmateysh.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa dexqei h kybernhsh na isxyoyn oi epixeirhsiakes symbaseis se ayth thn periptwsh;

PETALWTHS: Hdh exoyme dexqei na isxyoyn epixeirhsiakes symbaseis. Exoyme pei oti den qa afhsoyme na kleisoyn epixeirhseis. Exoyme pei oti epixeirhsiakes symbaseis, ypo sygkekrimenoys oroys kai proypoqeseis, diasfalizoyn gia sygkekrimeno xroniko diasthma tis qeseis ergasias tis opoies den exoyme thn polyteleia na arnoymaste, eidika sth shmerinh epoxh.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, fobatai h kybernhsh ragdaies politikes ejelijeis sth xwra mas paromoies me aytes poy symbainoyn sthn Irlandia;

PETALWTHS: Exoyme bgei prosfata apo th diadikasia twn aytodioikhtikwn eklogwn. H kybernhsh kai o ellhnikos laos exoyn bgalei ta symperasmata. Emeis eixame qesei zhthma nomimopoihshs ths politikhs mas gia thn prwth Kyriakh. Apo ta apotelesmata ths deyterhs Kyriakhs proekyce oti yparxei plhrhs nomimopoihsh ths politikhs ths kybernhshs pros th swthria ths xwras, anejarthtws ean diatypwnontai diaforetikes proseggiseis apo alles politikes h koinwnikes dynameis. Den tiqetai tetoio zhthma. H Irlandia einai mia periptwsh poy molis mpainei ston eyrwpaiko mhxanismo sthrijhs, einai epomeno na yparxoyn klydwnismoi, diaforetikes proseggiseis kai amfisbhthseis.

TSAKIRHS: Isxyei h desmeysh - dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti den qa yparjoyn apolyseis stis D.E.K.O.;

PETALWTHS: Exoyme epanalabei polles fores oti ayto poy epidiwkoyme einai na mhn xaqei oyte mia qesh ergasias. Gia ayto akribws milame gia metatajeis kai oxi gia apolyseis. Isxyei ayth h qesh mas.

PITTARAS: Eseis milate gia metatajeis, omws fainetai pws h troika oyte kan qelei na akoyei th lejh. Mporeite na mas peite poy einai h diapragmateysh;

PETALWTHS: Ayto den gnwrizw apo poy prokyptei.

PITTARAS: Prokyptei apo to reportaz.

PETALWTHS: To opoio leei;

PITTARAS: Oti oi metatajeis qa qewroyntai proslhceis kai qa ypologizontai sthn analogia mia proslhch gia kaqe pente apoxwrhseis katarxhn.

PETALWTHS: Ayto omws, den payei na einai metatajh. O xarakthras twn metatajewn paramenei. Giati oi proslhceis ginontai me allon tropo kai gnwrizoyme para poly kala ti shmainei ayto. Emeis qeloyme, mesw metatajewn, na mhn xasoyn th doyleia toys anqrwpoi poy ergazontai edw kai xronia. Epipleon, qeloyme na prostateysoyme to dikaiwma ths ergasias.

PITTARAS: Ara pws ejasfalizete kondylia; Afoy qa synexizete na plhrwnete...

PETALWTHS: Apo ekei kai pera, qa ejeidikeysoyme toys oroys ths metatajhs me ton epieikestero tropo.

PITTARAS: H ejoikonomhsh pws qa ginei mporeite na mas peite;

PETALWTHS: Den exei oloklhrwqei h diadikasia.

PITTARAS: Praktika rwtaw pws qa ginei.

PETALWTHS: Otan oloklhrwqei h diadikasia kai doyme pws qa ginoyn metatajeis.

PITTARAS: Nai, alla ayto omws einai antifatiko me ayto poy lete eseis oti den qa ginei kamia apolysh.

PETALWTHS: H metatajh den einai apolysh. Einai ergasia se allo antikeimeno toy dhmosioy h toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea, opoy pragmatika yparxei anagkh.

PITTARAS: H epibarynsh sto kratiko tameio qa paramenei, omws.

PETALWTHS: Ayto qa to doyme ws leptomereia.

PITTARAS: Ara den qa plhrwnontai.

PETALWTHS: Den nomizw na yparxei kapoios poy qa parexei tis yphresies toy dwrean. Eipame oti oi diapragmateyseis einai dyskoles, oxi mono me thn troika, alla kai me oloys, etsi wste kai oi qeseis ergasias na parameinoyn kai to dhmosio symferon na ejyphreteitai. Mesa se ayto to synqeto klima h kybernhsh exei apodeijei pws jerei na kanei th doyleia ths. H kybernhsh exei apodeijei pws exei eyaisqhsies kai qetei krithria kai gnwmones. Kai ayta einai gnwsta.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Pws sxoliazete th prwth dhlwsh ths k. Mpakogiannh ws arxhgoy neoy kommatos, poy eipe oti o stoxos toy neoy kommatos einai h eqnikh synennohsh.

PETALWTHS: Ta logia einai kala gia oloys mas kai apo oloys mas, arkei na apodeiknyontai kai me prajeis.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Qa thn kalesete stis synanthseis poy qa kanei o Prwqypoyrgos me toys arxhgoys twn kommatwn;

PETALWTHS: Otan oristoyn aytes oi synanthseis, qa doyme kai me poioys politikoys arxhgoys qa synanthqei o Prwqypoyrgos.

GIANNISHS: Yphrje arqrografia triwn boyleytwn toy PA.SO.K. sthn Kyriakatikh ELEYQEROTYPIA, sygkekrimena, opoy ekei peran ths synennohshs poy proteinetai stis alles politikes dynameis, diatypwnontai aixmes gia dysleitoyrgies sthn kybernhsh. To lambanei ayto yp' ocin h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Den exw antilhfqei tis aixmes. Oi qeseis toy kaqe boyleyth einai sebastes. Yparxei omws mia kybernhsh staqerothtas, h opoia exei apodeijei oti mporei na ta katafernei se poly dyskoles katastaseis. Otidhpote allo legetai, einai proswpikes apoceis, opws kaqenas tis ekfrazei me ton tropo toy.

TSAKIRHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw, blepontas oles aytes tis dramatikes diapragmateyseis poy ginontai me thn troika gia thn trith dosh toy daneioy, aisiodojeite oti qa parete thn tetarth dosh h qa pame se xreokopia;

PETALWTHS: Oi diapragmateyseis einai sklhres, den einai dramatikes.

TSAKIRHS: Syggnwmh poy sas diakoptw, exei anablhqei h synenteyjh ths troikas dyo meres twra. Dhladh, profanws, kapoy exei skalwsei, den ``ta briskete''.

PETALWTHS: Oxi, ayth einai mia ektimhsh dikh sas. H idia h troika bghke kai eipe ton logo gia ton opoio anablhqhke. Den eixan kleisei ta qemata, dioti den mporesan na oloklhrwqoyn oi ergasies. Monon gi' ayto -kai gia kanenan allon logo- anablhqhke gia mia hmera h synenteyjh. Oi diapragmateyseis einai sklhres. Einai epomeno. Briskomaste se mia sygkekrimenh qesh ws xwra, ayto to jeroyme. Apo ekei kai pera, h trith dosh safws kai qa ektamieyqei. Gia thn tetarth dosh, qa ajiologhqei to pws phgainei h ellhnikh oikonomia kai ennoeitai oti qa akoloyqhqei h gnwsth diadikasia. Mexri twra, omws, apodeijame oti ylopoioyme toys stoxoys mas kai h apofasistikothta mas einai dedomenh. Kai eimaste sigoyroi oti me ton idio tropo qa ektamieyqei kai h tetarth dosh. Fysika, den yparxei kanena endexomeno xreokopias. S' ayto eimaste jekaqaroi.

MOSXOBAS: Yparxei enoxlhsh sto Megaro Majimoy gia tis dhlwseis ths kyrias Katselh;

PETALWTHS: Ayto to qema to ejantlhsame, kyrie Mosxoba.

MOSXOBAS: Oxi, den phra apanthsh. Yparxei enoxlhsh;

PETALWTHS: Den ikanopoieisqe, alla egw apanthsa.

MOSXOBAS: Yparxei enoxlhsh h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws.

MOSXOBAS: Oti den yparxei;

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws se polles erwthseis synadelfwn sas.

MOSXOBAS: H erwthsh poy sas aphyqyna einai eyqeia: Eiste enoxlhmenoi h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Sas parapempw sta praktika toy briefing gia na diapistwsete pws apanthse h kybernhsh.

MOSXOBAS: Kai mia deyterh erwthsh: Einai enoxlhmenh h troika apo tis dhlwseis ths kyrias Katselh; Giati yparxei kai mia tetoia aisqhsh-ektimhsh sto reportaz.

PETALWTHS: H troika diapragmateyetai me thn kybernhsh.

MOSXOBAS: Nai, me thn kybernhsh. Melos ths kybernhshs einai h kyria Katselh.

PETALWTHS: Qelw na pw oti synolika kai syllogika. Kai oi diapragmateyseis, fysika, den einai panta eykoles.

MOSXOBAS: Ta melh ths troika sas meteferan parapona se sxesh me th synergasia poy exoyn me thn kyria Katselh gia to qema;

PETALWTHS: Oxi.

KOYTRAS: Yparxei se kati poy na ``ta briskete'' me thn troika stis diapragmateyseis; Giati, gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis den ``ta briskete'', gia tis DEKO den ``ta briskete'', gia tis metatajeis den ``ta briskete''. Yparxei kapoy sygklish apocewn;

PETALWTHS: Otan lete ``den ta briskoyme'' qa mporoyse na eklhfqei kai diaforetika ayto, etsi; Ean ``ta briskame'' qa hmastan ermaio ths kaqe apochs poy exei h troika h opoia einai sebasth, alla exei apoceis kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai malista kyriarxes apoceis. Eimaste kyriarxh kybernhsh ths xwras. Apo 'kei kai pera, exoyme mia symfwnia kai me bash ayth th symfwnia toy mnhmonioy h opoia einai pio genikh, ejeidikeyoyme kaqe fora toys oroys. To oti oi diapragmateyseis einai sklhres, den shmainei oti den ``ta briskoyme'', den shmainei oti den yparxei koino pedio. Kaqenas kanei th doyleia toy. Emeis, ws ellhnikh kybernhsh, ofeiloyme na kanoyme me sklhro tropo th doyleia mas kai ayto to kanoyme me gnwmona to dhmosio symferon.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Sth Synodo Koryfhs toy NATO sth Lisabona o Prwqypoyrgos dhlwse oti to neo strathgiko dogma toy NATO ejasfalizei thn asfaleia mas apenanti se akraies politikes qeseis kai kinhmata. Ti akribws ennooyse o Prwqypoyrgos;

PETALWTHS: Den to dhlwse etsi, hmoyn parwn otan to eipe. Eipe oti mpainoyn nees parametroi, tis opoies anefere kiolas, opws einai oi klimatikes allages, o fontamentalismos, akraies...

QEODWROPOYLOS: ... politikes qeseis kai kinhmata...

PETALWTHS: ... kinhmata, ws epektash toy fontamentalismoy, an to deite, yparxei sthn protash. Einai gnwstes oi proodeytikes apoceis toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ws Proedroy ths Sosialistikhs Dieqnoys gia th mh xrhsh bias kai fysika gia thn prosarmogh kai ths pagkosmias koinothtas panw se zhthmata ta opoia fernoyn se dyskolh qesh oloklhroys laoys.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Allo o fontamentalismos, kyrie Ypoyrge, kai allo akraies politikes qeseis kai kinhmata. Poioys entassei ekei mesa o Prwqypoyrgos;

PETALWTHS: An diabasete th dhlwsh, to anefere ws proektash toy fontamentalismoy. Etsi einai.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Dhladh, den anaferetai se kinhmata poy ayth th stigmh yparxoyn sthn Eyrwph enantia stis efarmozomenes politikes;

PETALWTHS: Se politika kinhmata;

QEODWROPOYLOS: Se kinhmata politwn, politika kinhmata.

PETALWTHS: Oxi, bebaia.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Se kinhmata politwn;

PETALWTHS: Oxi, bebaia. Kai to apodeiknyoyme kai sth xwra mas, opoy, fysika, se poly dyskoles synqhkes yparxei kai diamartyria twn politwn me diaforetikes politikes apoceis. Kai fysika sthn prajh exei apodeijei o Prwqypoyrgos oti einai sebastes oles oi apoceis.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Ti odhghse ton Prwqypoyrgo na syndesei ton fontamentalismo me politikes qeseis kai kinhmata;

PETALWTHS: Den ton syndeei, einai to idio pragma, einai synexeia toy fontamentalismoy.

SIDERHS: Me ayth th logikh h iranikh epanastash poy egine kapote, qa htan fontamentalismos kai qa eprepe na epembei to NATO. Etsi den einai;

PETALWTHS: Gia pote milate, kyrie Siderh;

SIDERHS: Epi Xomeini.

PETALWTHS: Dhladh, prin apo polles 10eties me teleiws diaforetikes synqhkes kai se teleiws diaforetiko klima aytoy poy yparxei shmera.

SIDERHS: Yphrje epanastash...

PETALWTHS: Einai teleiws diaforetiko to klima.

SIDERHS: ... an se mia xwra yparjei epanastash me qrhskeytika xarakthristika, dikaioytai kat' esas to NATO na parembei.

PETALWTHS: Oxi. H dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai synyfasmenh me tis politikes qeseis kai tis apoceis kai einai panqomologoymeno, toylaxiston gia thn pagkosmia koinothta, oti einai poly proodeytikes.

KOYTRAS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean ennoei o Prwqypoyrgos th synainesh poy zhthse apo toys politikoys arxhgoys kai an s' ayto to plaisio einai diateqeimenos na apodexqei kapoies apo tis protaseis, p.x. toy kyrioy Samara kai deyteron, pote qa ginoyn aytes oi synanthseis. Qa ginoyn mesa sthn ebdomada;

PETALWTHS: Oi synanthseis aytes qa ginoyn otan yparjei katallhlh proetoimasia. Ej alloy, den exoyn anakoinwqei kapoies synanthseis. Emeis, pantws, qeloyme th synainesh. Emeis eimaste ekeinoi, poy apo thn prwth stigmh poy analabame th diakybernhsh ths xwras zhtame synainesh. Qewroyme oti h synainesh apotelei ena systatiko stoixeio gia na pame mprosta kai sthn oikonomikh kai sthn koinwnikh zwh. Xreiazetai, epomenws, synainesh gia na pragmatopoihsoyme tis poly megales allages poy apaitei h xwra. Kai gi' ayto to logo exoyme pei kat' epanalhch oti oloi mas eimaste ypeyqynoi, analoga, fysika, me th qesh poy exei kaqenas sto politiko kai koinwniko systhma. Kai fysika, qa prepei oloi anejairetws na arqoyme sto ycos twn peristasewn. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno. Ej alloy, h prosklhsh apo thn kybernhsh gia synainesh den epace na einai diarkhs, toylaxiston panw se sygkekrimena zhthmata, anejarthta apo tis proseggiseis poy exei o kaqe politikos xwros, h kaqe politikh dynamh. Kai fysika, ayth h diaforetikothta den yparxei periptwsh na amfisbhthqei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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