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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 5 Ioylioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 276726256

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 5 Ioylioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri kai kalh ebdomada.

Shmera eimaste se qesh na atenizoyme to mellon ths xwras mas pio aisiodoja. H xwra jeperna epityxws to skopelo ths oikonomikhs katarreyshs. Apodeijame stoys etairoys mas oti h Ellada einai mia xwra ajiopisth, mia xwra me dynatothtes, poy mporei na orqopodhsei kai na proxwrhsei mprosta.

Ta dyskola pleon einai pisw mas, oi proklhseis, omws, einai mprosta mas. Ayto den shmainei oti stamatame thn prospaqeia, den epanapayomaste. Antiqeta, enteinoyme toys ryqmoys kai proxwrame stis rizikes, oysiastikes allages gia tis opoies exoyme desmeytei apenanti ston ellhniko lao.

Twra einai h wra ths pragmatikhs allaghs se qesmoys kai nootropies. Twra einai h wra ths neas ellhnikhs pragmatikothtas, mias pragmatikothtas apallagmenhs apo tis paqogeneies kai tis streblwseis toy parelqontos.

Den xaideyoyme aytia, oyte kaqhsyxazoyme syneidhseis. Dialejame to dyskolo dromo ths anatrophs katesthmenwn kai allaghs nootropiwn, me pyjida mas mia nea paragwgikh, dynamikh kai dhmioyrgikh Ellada.

Sthn poreia ayths ths diadromhs, xreos mas einai na sthrijoyme toys adynamoys sympolites mas, diasfalizontas toys anqrwpines synqhkes diabiwshs.

Me to nomosxedio gia ta yperxrewmena noikokyria h kybernhsh sthrizei emprakta thn ellhnikh oikogeneia, dinontas mia anasa kai mia qetikh prooptikh gia to mellon. Ayth h ryqmish einai ejairetika shmantikh, kaqws dinei th dynatothta stoys yperxrewmenoys sympolites mas, na ryqmisoyn thn ejoflhsh enos meroys twn xrewn toys gia tessera xronia kai efoson antapokriqoyn sth ryqmish na apallagoyn apo to ypoloipo toy xronoy toys. Einai parembash oysias kai ajias, me entona koinwnika xarakthristika. Apotelei proeklogikh mas desmeysh kai einai ena prwto bhma apo ayta poy qa akoloyqhsoyn kai qa dhmioyrghsoyn ena isxyro dixty koinwnikhs prostasias gia toys Ellhnes polites.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Yparxei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias gia thn chfoforia sto Asfalistiko;

PETALWTHS: Exoyme pei para polles fores, exoyme dhlwsei polles fores kai se ola ta epipeda oti sebomaste kai einai epiqymhth h aytoteleia toy kaqe boyleyth. O kaqe boyleyths ekfrazei thn agwnia, ekfrazei tis apoceis kai tis skeceis twn politwn poy ekproswpei, symfwna me to Syntagma ths xwras mas. Apo ekei kai pera, to asfalistiko einai mia apo tis poly megales tomes poy prowqoyme. Kai edw qa sas ypenqymisw oti kapote legame, me periskech oti an kai otan kapoios anoijei to asfalistiko...

Kai einai h prwth fora, oxi aplws poy anoije to asfalistiko, alla erxetai kai me ena sygkekrimeno nomoqethma, to opoio diasfalizei ena asfalistiko systhma gia th xwra kai toys polites biwsimo kai kata to dynaton dikaio. Thn epignwsh ayths ths megalhs allaghs kai ths eyqynhs thn exoyn oloi oi boyleytes toy PASOK kai ara ola ta alla legontai ek toy perissoy.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Yioqetei h kybernhsh thn apoch Pagkaloy oti to KKE qelei enan nekro;

PETALWTHS: O k. Pagkalos ejefrase thn apoch toy. Apo ekei kai pera, problhmatizomaste oloi gia th stash toy Kommoynistikoy Kommatos Elladas, poy anti na bohqaei sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh toys Ellhnes polites ergazomenoys, me tis praktikes toy pyrodotei katastaseis poy kaqe allo para exoyn na kanoyn me thn prostasia twn symferontwn twn ergazomenwn.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, alla o k. Pagkalos einai antiproedros ths kybernhshs kai sth synenteyjh toy shmera sta ``NEA'' eipe oti to KKE eyqynetai gia to qanato twn triwn ergazomenwn sthn trapeza ``Marfin'' kai toy astynomikoy Basilakh. Ayth thn apoch, thn yioqetei h kybernhsh; Einai h apoch toy antiproedroy ths kybernhshs.

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa, poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs kai fysika, to na pairnoyme jekommenes fraseis apo mia synenteyjh, oi fraseis aytes den apodidoyn kai to genikotero nohma.

QEODWROPOYLOS: ... Jekommenh frash kyrie Ekproswpe; Mporw na sas diabasw akribws to apospasma sta ``NEA''.

PETALWTHS: Exw diabasei th synenteyjh. H apoch ths kybernhshs einai ayth poy sas anefera.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Ara yioqeteite thn apoch Pagkaloy oti to KKE eyqynetai gia to qanato synanqrwpwn mas.

PETALWTHS: Egw oyte eipa, oyte ennooysa kati tetoio. Ean akoysate kati tetoio eseis...

QEODWROPOYLOS: Nai, alla eiste edw o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos...

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera thn apoch ths kybernhshs. Den yparxei tipote jafniko. To KKE exei epilejei mia sygkekrimenh taktikh poy th blepoyme sta limania, th blepoyme sthn katalhch ths Akropolhs, th blepoyme kaqhmerina. Kaqenas einai ypeyqynos. Kaqe politikos foreas einai ypeyqynos gia tis taktikes poy epilegei. Ekei poy ginomaste ypologoi oloi, einai enwpion toy ellhnikoy laoy, o opoios pernaei dyskoles hmeres kai me tetoies taktikes, ginontai akomh dyskoloteres.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Exoyn prokalesei nekro oi kinhtopoihseis toy KKE;

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera thn apoch ths kybernhshs.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws skeftetai to Megaro Majimoy na antimetwpisei ayth thn eikona poy eidame xqes stis dhmoskophseis toy kyriakatikoy Typoy, me to PASOK na katagrafei pososta istorikoy nadir, gyrw sto 23%. Qewreite oti einai mono h apeikonish mias poly dyskolhs oikonomikhs sygkyrias poy exei alhqeia kai ayto, alla ola sthn kybernhsh phgan roloi toys teleytaioys oktw mhnes; Den yparxoyn eyqynes stelexwn, asynennohsias h syntonismoy en pash periptwsei poy katelhjan se ayto to apotelesma, estw kai dhmoskopiko;

PETALWTHS: Safws kai den yparxoyn eyqynes stelexwn, an antilhfqei kaneis, ti egine mesa se aytoys toys oktw mhnes. Pws paralabame mia xwra, oyte kan th swsth apeikonish twn oikonomikwn ths kai allwn parametrwn den eixame kai pws eprepe na fqasoyme se poly grhgoroys ryqmoys, me ejairetika grhgoroys ryqmoys, prwtofaneis gia ta ellhnika dedomena, se ayth thn katastash poy eimaste shmera. Na mhn xreokophsoyme, na mporoyme na daneizomaste, na mporoyme na kanoyme sygxronws tis megales allages, poy apaitoyn oi kairoi kai apaitei kai to symferon toy Ellhna polith. Ara, safws den mporoyme na milame gia eyqynes stelexwn. Apo ekei kai pera, einai epishs jekaqaro oti ginontai poly megales anatropes kai allages, polles apo tis opoies ginontai me ejairetika grhgoroys ryqmoys. Ara, einai qema syneidhtopoihshs olwn aytwn twn allagwn kai fysika kaneis den mporei na mhn katanoei oti phrame dyskoles kai epwdynes apofaseis, polles apo tis opoies plhttoyn to biotiko epipedo toy Ellhna polith, dinontas omws prooptikh kai kateyqynsh sto mellon.

Emeis antilambanomaste, katanooyme thn agwnia toy kosmoy, thn kaxypocia toy Ellhna polith. Ekeino poy emeis exoyme ws xreos einai na dhmioyrghsoyme prooptikh gia to mellon toy. Kai ayto hdh to kanoyme.

KOYTRAS: Den yparxei problhmatismos oti mesa se ennea mhnes poy to PASOK einai kybernhsh, exei sxedon ejantlhqei to politiko kefalaio ayths ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Pisteyoyme oti to politiko kefalaio den exei ejantlhqei. Kanoyme prwtognwra pragmata gia ta ellhnika dedomena. Qa proxwrhsoyme se megales, qetikes allages apo edw kai pera, etsi wste na apokatastaqei ayto poy apokaleite ``politiko kefalaio ths kybernhshs''. En gnwsei mas kanoyme sygkekrimenes epiloges. Den problhmatizomaste, den analogizomaste to politiko kostos, den exoyme periqwria na pame pisw. Proxwrame mprosta kai o ellhnikos laos to katanoei.

MOYRELATOS: Eipate oti ``kanoyme poly megales qetikes allages apo edw kai pera''. Oi allages poy exei kanei h kybernhsh mexri twra, tygxanoyn ths yposthrijhs olwn twn kybernhtikwn stelexwn; Giati, yparxei enas problhmatismos oti yparxoyn polloi ypoyrgoi poy den bgainoyn sthn emprosqofylakh gia na sthrijoyn aytes tis allages.

PETALWTHS: Einai syllogikes apofaseis ths kybernhshs oi megales allages poy kanoyme. O kaqe ypoyrgos exei thn armodiothta toy, o kaqe ypoyrgos doyleyei sto diko toy kommati kai ayto to yposthrizei pros ta ejw. Kai malista otan exoyme na kanoyme me tomeis poy den ejantloyntai se ena aplo nomoqethma. Me tomeis poy apaitoyn poly epejergasia kai synexh diapragmateysh me toys etairoys mas. Aytes, omws, einai poly shmantikes apofaseis. Einai apofaseis krisimes kai fysika einai syllogikes apofaseis ths kybernhshs.

MIXAHL: Me sygxwreite, ean einai etsi opws mas ta lete, tote diaceydete ta dhmosieymata oti yparxei dysareskeia toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia th stash twn ypoyrgwn poy den bgainoyn dhmosia na topoqethqoyn kai na sthrijoyn th metarryqmish toy Asfalistikoy;

PETALWTHS: Fysika, to diaceydw. Ta dhmosieymata den shmainei oti apeikonizoyn polles fores kai thn pragmatikothta. Prowqoyme ena asfalistiko nomosxedio poy mesa kai apo epwdynes apofaseis pagiwnei ena dikaio kata to dynaton kai biwsimo asfalistiko systhma, to opoio doyleyetai mexri thn teleytaia stigmh. Ara, einai logiko, safestato kai epomeno na epwmizetai to baros kaqe fora o ekastote armodios ypoyrgos, eidika otan afora tetoioy eidoys megales ryqmiseis, opws einai to neo asfalistiko systhma.

SIDERHS: Dinete thn aisqhsh oti baftizete to kreas, cari. Milate synexeia gia megales allages kai anatropes. To mono poy exoyme dei ews twra einai megales perikopes kai apo thn allh, mia dioikhtikh diaxeiristikh astoxia sto na ferete metra poy qa eynohsoyn tis ependyseis. Me poia xrhmata, me poioys poroys qa ypobohqhsete ayto to koinwniko dixty prostasias gia to opoio milate, afhs stigmhs to mono poy kanete ews twra einai na perikoptete kai na mhn frontizete na aygatainei h pita.

PETALWTHS: Profanws, ayth einai mia proswpikh sas qewrhsh. Emeis exoyme diaforetikh apoch. Emeis, apo thn prwth stigmh, prowqhsame megales allages sto ellhniko Dhmosio, opoy opws oloi gnwrizoyme h paqogeneia perisseyei. Arkei na diabasei kaneis thn ekqesh toy Genikoy Epiqewrhth Dhmosias Dioikhshs gia na antilhfqei oti aytes oi terasties spatales kai ayto to kratos diafqoras kanei terastio kako sthn ellhnikh pragmatikothta kai exei amesh antanaklash kai sta oikonomika kai koinwnika zhthmata twn Ellhnwn politwn. Emeis, tis allages poy kaname, tis jekinhsame apo to ellhniko kratos, apo thn allagh toy epitelikoy kratoys ths topikhs aytodioikhshs. Proxwrhsame se ena neo, dikaiotero forologiko systhma kai diamorfwsame ena asfalistiko systhma to opoio chfizetai ayth thn ebdomada. Ara, to na milame gia megales allages to dikaioymaste, alla kyriws dinoyme kai tis prooptikes gia ta ofelh poy qa apodwsoyn aytes oi allages sto mellon.

SIDERHS: Me sygxwreite, ayta poy eipate einai swsta. Mono poy ayta entassontai stis perikopes. To anaptyjiako skelos den exoyme dei.

PETALWTHS: Stis perikopes den entassontai oyte o tropos proslhchs sto Dhmosio, oyte o ``KALLIKRATHS'', oyte to forologiko systhma poy prospaqoyme na to ejorqologhsoyme. Alla kai oson afora sto asfalistiko systhma, mesa apo kapoies perikopes poy ginontai, ejasfalizetai h biwsimothta toy.

GARGALAKOS: Exw dyo erwthseis. H mia erwthsh afora toys hmiypaiqrioys kai an yparxei h anadromikh forologhsh twn anqrwpwn poy espeysan na kanoyn thn taktopoihsh, giati yparxoyn dhmosieymata ep` aytoy. Kai h deyterh erwthsh, afora ayth thn ypoqesh poy akoysa apo ton k. Pagkalo gia proslhceis sthn ``AGROGH A.E.'', giati ayta poy akoysa einai ejwfrenika ontws. Edw milame gia 269 paidia ths Neas Dhmokratias, gia paradeigma, poy proslhfqhkan sxedon apo toys idioys nomoys. Ti ginetai;

PETALWTHS: Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh sas, na sas enhmerwsw oti exei apofasistei, ws pros toys hmiypaiqrioys, h mh epibolh forwn anadromika. Ayth einai apofash ths kybernhshs. Qa nomoqethqei me ton katallhlo tropo. Einai apofash toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn kai h ryqmish qa ginei amesa, etsi wste na mhn yparxei kamia anadromikh epibarynsh sth forologhsh twn hmiypaiqriwn xwrwn.

Oson afora to deytero erwthma sas, pragmatika einai gnwsth h istoria ths ``AGROGH A.E.''. Einai enas foreas toy ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, opoy ypotiqetai oti qa ergazotan panw sthn chfiopoihsh ths ellhnikhs gewrgikhs ghs. Ant` aytoy bebaia proselhfqhsan se proeklogikh periodo 269 atoma, sth syntriptikh toys pleiochfia gioi, qygateres, anicia kai syggeneis sygkekrimenwn ypoyrgwn ths Neas Dhmokratias kai sygkekrimenwn synergatwn ypoyrgwn ths Neas Dhmokratias. Yparxei katalogos me ta onomata opoy apo mia aplh anagnwsh prokyptei akribws to megalo ``panhgyri'' poy ginotan ekei. Yphrje entolh ths shmerinhs hgesias toy ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, ths k. Mpatzelh, na mhn proxwrhsei se monimopoihsh kaqws aytes oi proslhceis htan paratypes. Parola ayta, o Proedros ths ``AGROGH A.E.'' proxwrhse se monimopoihsh. Bebaia, ypesth tis synepeies kai efyge apo th qesh toy. Shmera, omws, exoyme mia nea katastash, h ``AGROGH A.E.'' qa sygxwneyqei. Qa katarghqei aytos o foreas kai oi 269 ergazomenoi, epeidh proselhfqhsan paratypa kai paranoma, qa apolyqoyn.

POLYMEROS: Eidame ston Typo prosfata fhmes kai plhrofories na feroyn ton k. Dendia na exei kanei synanthsh me dikastikoys genikws. To sxolio ths kybernhshs.

PETALWTHS: Kai emeis exoyme plhroforhqei apo ton Typo oti egine mia synanthsh anwtatwn kai anwterwn dikastwn, prwhn kai nyn kai me paroysia toy k. Dendia. Emeis, ws kybernhsh adynatoyme na katanohsoyme - kai me olh th shmasia aytoy poy lew- oti mporei anwtatoi dikastikoi, shmerinoi kai prwhn, na symmetexoyn shmera se kommatikes parasynagwges kai me idiaitero antikeimeno syzhthshs.

SPANOY: Symmerizeste thn ektimhsh oti me bash ta symperasmata twn dhmoskophsewn anoigei o dromos gia kybernhseis synergasias;

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme analabei ena sygkekrimeno xreos apenanti ston ellhniko lao na swsoyme th xwra. Na periswsoyme o,ti mporoyme, prokeimenoy na mhn xreokophsei h xwra. Ayto kanoyme. To kanoyme mesa se poly dyskoles synqhkes kai opoiadhpote allh skech gia kybernhsh synergasias h gia kybernhseis eqnikhs enothtas, einai senaria kai skeceis poy ejyphretoyn alla symferonta, ta opoia den exoyn kamia sxesh me to symferon toy Ellhna polith.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes, se synanthsh toy me ekproswpoys toy Typoy, o k. Kastanidhs, o opoios einai kai kybernhtiko stelexos, zhthse emmesws plhn safws na ginoyn ekloges to Noembrio. Poso piqano einai ayto, th stigmh poy o idios o Prwqypoyrgos to diaceydei me synenteyjh toy;

PETALWTHS: O k. Kastanidhs den exei probei pote se dhmosia dhlwsh gia ekloges to fqinopwro. Synepws, ayto poy grafqhke elegxetai plhrws kai fysika, efoson den yparxei dhlwsh, den mporoyme na apodidoyme se kanena ypoyrgo tetoies apoceis.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Sthn eisagwgikh sas topoqethsh eipate oti xreos ths kybernhshs einai na sthrijei toys adynamoys synanqrwpoys mas. Ayto qa to petyxete me thn ypagwgh ston ychlo syntelesth toy FPA, dhladh sto 23% twn trofimwn kai twn farmakwn poy anakoinwse shmera o k. Papakwnstantinoy;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, opws eipa kai sthn eisagwgh moy kai to exoyme pei polles fores, dhmioyrgoyme ena dixty koinwnikhs prostasias, etsi wste o aplos Ellhnas poliths poy plhttetai, ws pros thn poiothta ths zwhs toy, apo tis anagkastikes apofaseis poy exoyme labei ws kybernhsh, na mporei na aisqanetai thn prostasia toy kratoys se sygkekrimena zhthmata. Oson afora sthn ayjhsh toy FPA, den mporei kaneis na arnhqei oti exoyme labei sygkekrimenes desmeyseis apenanti stoys etairoys mas kai me bash aytes tis desmeyseis eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na proboyme se sygkekrimenes energeies, tis opoies fysika den exoyme kryfes. Kai fysika ayto ginetai, me teliko skopo na mporesoyme na daneistoyme kai na mporesoyme na yparxoyme ws ellhnikh oikonomia.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, diabazw stis efhmerides oti ginetai mia organwmenh kinhsh nomomaqwn gia prosfyges sta eyrwpaika dikasthria, sta ellhnika dikasthria gia mia seira apo diatajeis kai probleceis toy Mnhmonioy. To erwthma moy den einai to nomiko. Ayto qa to krinoyn oi nomikoi. To problhma moy einai oti h erwthsh moy afora sto ean exoyme apofaseis apo ayta ta dikasthria, oi opoies antibainoyn aytwn twn diatajewn, h kybernhsh pws qa tis antimetwpisei; Dioti exoyn paraxqei kapoia apotelesmata, dhladh perikopes h antistrofws qa exoyn dhmioyrghqei kapoia pragmata, ta opoia prepei na dwsoyn th dynatothta gia peraiterw dikastikh diamaxh.

PETALWTHS: Emeis epiteloyme ena poly shmantiko kai bary kaqhkon. Den qa mporoysame na to epiteloyme exontas sto myalo mas oti kapoioi mporei na prosfygoyn se kapoia dikasthria. Emeis pisteyoyme oti leitoyrgoyme me aparegklith thrhsh ths nomimothtas, symfwna me to Syntagma kai toys nomoys toy ellhnikoy kratoys, alla kai ta koinotika dedomena kai fysika toys dieqneis kanones poy diepoyn tis symbaseis. Apo kei kai pera, kaqenas exei dikaiwma na prosfygei se opoio dikasthrio qelei. Emeis kanoyme mia sobarh doyleia, h opoia einai poly metrhmenh me poly prosektikh kai prosegmenh nomikh antimetwpish kai den qa mporoysame na leitoyrgoysame skeptomenoi mhpws kapoios prosfygei se kapoio dikasthrio.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, plhroforoymaste oti topoqethqhke h topoqeteitai ws proedros ths Dieqnoys Ekqeshs Qessalonikhs o opoios aytoprosdiorizetai ws ellhnofwnos Eyrwpaios kai symmeteixe sth paroysiash toy anagnwstikoy toy glwssikoy idiwmatos ths Prwhn Gioygkoslabikhs Dhmokratias ths Makedonias me ton ekproswpo toy ``Oyranioy Tojoy''. Ean alhqeyei, qelw to sxolio sas.

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw ayto sto opoio anafereste. Einai safes, omws, oti ean yparxei kati mempto kai empiptei sto plaisio twn kaqhkontwn toy, qa ejetastei. Apo kei kai pera, se poies ekdhlwseis metexei, einai proswpiko toy zhthma, ektos kai ean symmetexei se aytes me th qesmikh toy idiothta.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Epeidh apo oti fainetai den qa yparjei ranteboy metajy toy SEB kai ths GSEE gia ton kaqorismo ths Eqnikh Syllogikhs Symbashs, mhpws h kybernhsh epanejetazei to endexomeno na proxwrhsei se prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy gia to `` pagwma'' twn misqwn;

PETALWTHS: Den mporw na dianohqw pws prodikazoyme oti den qa yparxei symfwnia kai den qa yparxei apotelesma ths syllogikhs diapragmateyshs. Emeis ws kybernhsh enqarrynoyme na yparxei apotelesma, na yparxei symfwnia, etsi wste oi koinwnikoi etairoi na deijoyn thn ypeyqynothta poy exoyn kai na apobei ayth h symfwnia pros ofelos ths ergasias.

Sas eyxaristw.

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