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Pempth, 27 Maioy 2010

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 27 Maioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Opws gnwrizete, synedriase xqes to atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, opoy syzhthqhkan diejodika qemata poy aforoyn th leitoyrgia ths agoras kai toy antagwnismoy, kaqws kai qemata meiwshs twn timwn, etsi wste na mhn epibarynontai epipleon ta xamhlotera eisodhmata, ta opoia plhttontai, oytws h allws. Oi xronies strebles praktikes, o atelhs antagwnismos, alla kai h kataxrhsh ths isxyos twn agorwn kai twn promhqeytwn, odhghsan edw kai xronia se adiafaneia twn timwn, se aqemites promhqeies kai se kaqysterhseis twn plhrwmwn.

H kybernhsh, edw kai mhnes, dinei maxh kai synexizei na to kanei akomh pio entatika kai meqodeymena, gia th meiwsh twn timwn, me stoxeymenes parembatikes energeies, opws h anatimologhsh, to neo systhma timologhshs twn farmakwn, h epikeimenh apeleyqerwsh yphresiwn kai kleistwn epaggelmatwn, to Parathrhthrio twn Timwn kai alla.

Epipleon, sto metwpo ths diafaneias, h kybernhsh kineitai se dyo epipeda: Prwton, oi ejetastikes epitropes ths Boylhs, opoy epiteloys blepoyme oti aytes odhgoyn se apta apotelesmata kai apodeiknyetai etsi oti to politiko systhma mporei na to kanei, arkei na yparxei h isxyrh politikh boylhsh, opws yparxei twra, prokeimenoy na yparxei diafaneia sthn politikh zwh.

Emeis, apo thn prwth stigmh poy analabame ws kybernhsh zhthsame tis ejetastikes epitropes. Emeis kinhsame tis diadikasies. Qeloyme na erqoyn ta panta sto fws. Epiqymoyme thn plhrh dialeykansh twn ypoqesewn poy plhgwsan th dhmosia zwh ths xwras, adiaforwntas an kai emeis qa matwsoyme, arkei oi polites na antilhfqoyn oti h atimwrhsia kai h aneyqynothta se ayth th xwra, anhkoyn oristika pleon sto parelqon.

To deytero epipedo, fysika, einai h patajh ths diafqoras se xamhlotero epipedo, opoy yparxoyn epiorkoi dhmosioi leitoyrgoi. Ena epipedo, omws, poy exei amesotath sxesh kai epidrash sthn kaqhmerinothta poy biwnoyn oi polites, sthn allhlepidrash toys me to kratos.

Opws hdh gnwrizete, meta apo kataggelies politwn, elegxontai ta ``poqen esxes'' epiorkwn eforiakwn h ypallhlwn toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn poy oi perioysies toys den dikaiologoyntai apo ta eisodhmata toys kai syntoma, qa yparxoyn apotelesmata.

Shmera, ejalloy, chfizetai sth Boylh to nomosxedio gia ton ``KALLIKRATH'', o neos xarths topikhs aytodioikhshs, me ton opoio afhnoyme oristika pisw mas ena pepalaiwmeno, pelateiako, argokinhto kai anapotelesmatiko kratos, poy eyqynetai shmantika gia ta shmerina mas deina kai proxwroyme sthn pio oysiastikh sygxronh dioikhtikh anadiarqrwsh ths xwras.

Opoios den antilambanetai h den qelei na antilhfqei, krymmenos pisw apo topikistika h mikrokommatika symferonta, tis pragmatikes rizikes allages poy epiferei to sxedio ``KALLIKRATHS'' sth leitoyrgia ths ellhnikhs perifereias, apla ``blepei to dentro, xanontas to dasos'' kai h pragmatikothta qa ton jeperasei. Ekei, krinetai kai h ypeyqynothta twn politikwn dynamewn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPANOY: Epeidh eipate oti mpainei telos sthn atimwrhsia, me prwtoboylia toy PASOK, poia akribws qa einai h timwria toy k. Mantelh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na ypenqymisw oti emeis zhthsame th systash olwn twn Ejetastikwn Epitropwn. Kai opws anefera kai sthn eisagwgh moy, Ejetastikes Epitropes poy kapoioi mas elegan oti den qa tolmhsoyme pote na tis anoijoyme, giati isws emplekontan kai palaiotera stelexh kai melh twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK. Emeis den kanoyme pisw kai anoigoyme tis diadikasies, etsi wste na yparxei apotypwsh twn politikwn alla kai endexomenws poinikwn eyqynwn. Ean den zhtoysame th systash ayths ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, den qa yphrxe qema Mantelh shmera. Ara, kaname to prwto bhma.

Deyteron, na ypenqymisw oti yparxei ena sygkekrimeno nomiko plaisio, to opoio emeis allazoyme. Hdh, o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs k. Kastanidhs exei desmeytei kai qa ferei nomosxedio gia thn tropopoihsh toy nomoy peri eyqynhs ypoyrgwn, etsi wste na mhn yparxoyn aytes oi skandalwdeis paragrafes se poinikes eyqynes politikwn proswpwn. Apo ekei kai pera, fysika, qa prepei h Dikaiosynh na ejantlhsei ola ta nomika periqwria, etsi wste kanenas apo edw kai pera - kai den einai mono qema toy k. Mantelh- na mh diafeygei ths aponomhs ths Dikaiosynhs. Kai to kratos kai h Dikaiosynh, exoyn ekeinoys toys mhxanismoys kai mporei na ginoyn ekeines oi nomikes proseggiseis, etsi wste akomh kai me to yfistameno nomiko plaisio na mhn meinei kaneis atimwrhtos.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na qesw treis erwthseis: Prwton, an h kybernhsh katadikazei politika ton k. Mantelh kai thn praktikh poy akoloyqhse ws ypoyrgos, deyteron an h kybernhsh kai ta politika kommata - se politiko epipedo- skeptontai na zhthsoyn apo ton k. Mantelh na epistrecei ta xrhmata ths mizas yper toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy kai triton, an h kybernhsh dia toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs skeftetai na zhthsei eyqynes toy dikasth poy xeirizotan thn ypoqesh Mantelh, gnwstoy ontws oti prin apo enamish xrono o koymparos toy eixe kanei th sxetikh kataqesh.

PETALWTHS: Einai aytonohto oti h kybernhsh katadikazei safws kai aperifrasta tetoioy eidoys energeies. Einai aytonohth h katadikh kai h apajiwsh kai toy k. Mantelh, alla kai opoioydhpote politikoy proswpoy symperiferqhke me analogo tropo. Omws, den xreiazotan shmera na fqasoyn ta pragmata ws edw gia na to kanei h kybernhsh aplws lektika. To PASOK apo to 2008 exei diagracei ton k. Mantelh kai ayth htan h kommatikh apajiwsh, alla kai h praktikh, aytonohth katadikh apenanti se tetoioy eidoys symperifores. Den anakalycame shmera ayta poy anakalyptoyn kapoioi alloi.

Apo kei kai pera, h Dikaiosynh qa prepei na ejantlei ola ta periqwria aponomhs ths, etsi wste na mhn yparxoyn jana fainomena atimwrhsias politikwn proswpwn. Ayto, nomizw oti einai to shmantiko, eidika apo edw kai pera gia to mellon. To zhthma poy qesate, eteqh shmera kai sth Boylh apo boyleytes toy PASOK: dhladh oti mporei na yparxei astikh ajiwsh, prokeimenoy ta perioysiaka stoixeia poy feretai oti apokthqhkan apo tetoioy eidoys paranomes dosolhcies - kai malista akomh kai me to neo oro ``politikh xorhgia'', gia th miza poy fysika einai aparadekto- ean qa mporei to ellhniko Dhmosio na ta ajiwsei. Einai qema nomikhs diereynhshs kai fysika einai mia protash poy ekanan boyleytes toy PASOK, thn opoia to ellhniko Dhmosio qa prepei na th dei me th megalyterh eyrythta. Opws kai h Dikaiosynh na janadei poy yparxei paraleich, me dedomeno ontws oti o koymparos toy k. Mantelh, prin apo ena xrono, kateqese ston k. Zagoriano ayta poy qa eprepe na diereynhqoyn isws apo tote. Einai omws qemata Dikaiosynhs opoy emeis den mporoyme na paremboyme.

SIDERHS: Kalosynh sas poy qa allajete to nomo peri eyqynhs ypoyrgwn...

PETALWTHS: Einai eyqynh mas kai oxi kalosynh mas.

SIDERHS: Niwqete thn anagkh ws politikos kosmos, o Prwqypoyrgos ekproswpwntas olo ton politiko kosmo, na zhthsei sygnwmh gi` ayto to nomo poy yphrxe ws twra kai epetrece osa epetrece;

PETALWTHS: Emeis opoy sfaloyme, zhtame emprakta sygnwmh. Kai ayto bebaia se antiparabolh ths dikhs mas sygnwmhs me th lektikh sygnwmh toy k. Samara, o opoios ean kai zhthse sygnwmh prin apo ligo xroniko diasthma, apodeiknyei kaqe hmera oti den to ennooyse. Kai prospaqei, anti na qelei na diereynhqoyn oles oi skoteines ypoqeseis kai skies ston politiko kosmo, na mas peisei pws o,ti ejetazetai apo tis Ejetastikes Epitropes exei sxesh me to PASOK.

Sas eipa kai prohgoymenws: emeis th sygnwmh - poy den einai qema sygnwmhs, einai qema apokatastashs ths nomimothtas- th deixnoyme me prajeis. Kai akomh kai gia thn ypoqesh Mantelh, se anypopto xrono, probhkame se diagrafh. Kai ayto deixnei pws ennooyme emprakta th sygnwmh pros ton ellhniko lao.

SIDERHS: Kai kati allo: H Siemens ejakoloyqei na pairnei doyleies sthn Ellada;

PETALWTHS: Shmera, opws gnwrizete, yparxei mia ereyna toy SDOE, meta apo aithma ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs gia th Siemens kai malista ayth th stigmh einai se ejelijh. Ara, yparxei mia diaforetikh antimetwpish poy prospaqei na apokalycei thn alhqeia. Oxi aplws den xarizoyme tipote se kanenan, apokalyptoyme kai olh thn alhqeia.

FOYRLHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh anaferqhkate dyo fores sto parelqon, gia ton k. Mantelh eidika, dhladh gnwrizate kati to 2008, to opoio sas odhghse tote sth diagrafh toy, alla den to eipate ston ellhniko lao; Dhladh, gnwrizate ayto poy eipe xqes o k. Mantelhs, gia paradeigma, kai den to jerame emeis;

PETALWTHS: Ean to gnwrizame, qa to apokalyptame kai isws kaname kai alla pragmata. Emeis, omws, opoy yparxei yponoia oti kapoio politiko stelexos toy PASOK den synadei me th nomimothta, energoyme kai deontws.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Htan prolhptikh h diagrafh Mantelh tote;

PETALWTHS: H diagrafh Mantelh htan mia prajh, h opoia exei poly shmantikh politikh ajia kai den mporoyme na thn ypobaqmizoyme me alloy eidoys yponoies.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Poses omologies stelexwn toy PASOK xreiazontai, gia na paradexqei to PASOK oti mphkan ``mayra'' xrhmata sta tameia toy;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den exei apodeixqei oti mphkan ``mayra'' xrhmata sta tameia toy. To oti yphrjan dyo stelexh toy PASOK palaiotera, poy shmera den einai sto PASOK, deixnei akribws th gennaiothta, thn tolmh kai thn apofasistikothta toy PASOK, otan alla kommata, me tropo poy den synadei me th Dhmokratia, arnoyntai kai to lene rhta oti den prokeitai na dexqoyn elegxo sta oikonomika toys. Kai ayth th symperifora thn exoyn sygkekrimena kommata. Malista, kapoia ej aytwn den to lene rhta, alla to lene me alloys tropoys.

PITTARAS: Na sas rwthsw dyo pragmata: To exei pei kai o Proedros ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs k. Balyrakhs oti kat` arxhn yparxoyn ayth th stigmh kai mh paragegrammenes eyqynes, poinikes eyqynes. Gia paradeigma, h forodiafygh einai mia prajh poy paradexqhke o idios o k. Mantelhs. Gi` ayto, ti qa kanete; Kai deyteron, h kybernhsh ereyna - epeidh memfeste th Dikaiosynh- eseis ti kanete; Ereynate symbaseis...

PETALWTHS: Den memfomeqa th Dikaiosynh. Leme oti opoy h Dikaiosynh den epraje o,ti eprepe ofeilei na to apokatasthsei twra.

PITTARAS: Entajei, akomh kai an h Dikaiosynh den to prattei ayto, mporeite na to kanete eseis poly apla. Ereynate, loipon, symbaseis poy exei balei thn ypografh toy o k. Mantelhs sto parelqon, gia paradeigma, poy aforoyn ston OSE h ston OTE;

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai sygkekrimeno qema. Einai qema akomh kai twn Ejetastikwn Epitropwn. Den qa afhsoyme kamia skia na barainei ton politiko kosmo. Ayth einai kai h boylhsh mas thn opoia apodeiknyoyme kaqe hmera.

Oson afora ston k. Balyrakh, to dhlwse - kai to qewrw aytonohto fysika kai ayth einai kai h boylhsh toy PASOK- oti qa energopoihqoyn oloi ekeinoi oi mhxanismoi, akomh kai se dieqnes epipedo, etsi wste na apokalyfqei h alhqeia. Kai fysika, na odhghqoyn sth Dikaiosynh osoi eblacan to dhmosio symferon. Kai to exw pei kai alles fores - kai to epanalambanw, giati einai pepoiqhsh kai proswpikh moy kai toy PASOK- oti to kratos diaqetei ekeina ta ergaleia, opoy otan yparxei h politikh boylhsh na apokalyptetai h alhqeia kai na timwroyntai oi enoxoi.

BLABIANOS: Ejetazete qema systasews Ejetastikhs Epitrophs gia xroniko diasthma pro toy 2004; Dioti, apantwntas twra, egw etsi katalaba.

PETALWTHS: H diereynhsh mporei na einai se polla epipeda. Emeis eipame oti den qa afhsoyme na planatai kamia skia kai se epipedo politikwn eyqynwn kai se epipedo poinikwn eyqynwn, opoy kai an prokycoyn. Apo kei kai pera, yparxoyn diafores meqodoi kai diaforoi tropoi, etsi wste pragmatika na apokalyptetai h alhqeia.

MPEQANH: Epeidh anaferqhkate nwritera sto SDOE. Akoysa apo to prwi synenteyjeis twn boyleytwn oi opoioi metexoyn sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph, poy lene oti den exoyn th sthrijh poy qa hqelan, toylaxiston, toso apo to SDOE, epeidh exoyn zhthsei sygkekrimena stoixeia kai den exoyn mexri stigmhs, alla kai apo thn Trapeza ths Ellados. Qa ginoyn sygkekrimenes kinhseis pros ayth thn kateyqynsh, etsi wste h Ejetastikh na exei sta xeria ths ta stoixeia poy zhta;

PETALWTHS: H Ejetastikh Epitroph, apo ton Kanonismo ths Boylhs kai apo to Syntagma exei sygkekrimenes armodiothtes. Kai aytes oi armodiothtes einai poly dieyrymenes. Armodiothtes poy prosidiazoyn stis armodiothtes anakrith, antistoixa sthn taktikh Dikaiosynh. Ara, exei ola ekeina ta opla kai opoy apaiteitai mporei na zhthsei th syndromh toy kratoys, twn qesmwn, alla akomh kai ths Dikaiosynhs, prokeimenoy na ferei se peras to ergo ths.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Enas boyleyths toy PASOK, o k. Lewnidas Grhgorakos, gia thn akribeia, to prwi kateqese mia protash na klhqei sthn ejetastikh epitroph o prwhn Prwqypoyrgos k. Shmiths. Yparxei kapoio sxolio apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs gi` ayto to aithma;

PETALWTHS: Einai qema apofashs ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs na kalei osoys pisteyei oti mporoyn na feroyn fws se kaqe ypoqesh. Apo ekei kai pera, to na sygkekrimenopoioyme kai na stoxeyoyme se proswpa gia logoys entypwsiasmoy polles fores - kai den lew oti kati tetoio ekane o boyleyths, to lew genikws- pisteyw oti polles fores mporei na kalyptei kai th diereynhsh ths alhqeias. Ayto einai kaqara qema ejetastikhs epitrophs. H kybernhsh kata to Syntagma kai toys nomoys den mporei na empleketai se tetoioy eidoys apofaseis. Oi Ejetastikes Epitropes, oi opoies leitoyrgoyn, exoyn olh thn eleyqeria kai tis armodiothtes sta xeria toys gia na prajoyn ta deonta.

PAPPA: O prwhn Prwqypoyrgos, k. Shmiths, me shmerinh toy dhlwsh den apanta epi ths oysias se osa exoyn katateqei sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Yperaspizetai to ergo ths qhteias toy. Exei kapoio sxolio h kybernhsh, me thn ennoia oti ap` osa eipwqhkan sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph, dhmioyrgoyntai qemata kai gia alloys, gia prwhn ypoyrgoys Oikonomikwn kai akomh ychlotera, ap` o,ti leei o k. Mantelhs. Exete kapoia plhroforhsh ep` aytoy; Qelete na sxoliasete kai th dhlwsh toy prwhn Prwqypoyrgoy;

PETALWTHS: Den qa sxoliasw th dhlwsh toy prwhn Prwqypoyrgoy. Kai fysika, ean o k. Mantelhs eixe na ypodeijei alla proswpa, qa mporoyse na ta ypodeijei. H ean prokycoyn politikes eyqynes h endeijeis eyqynwn gia alla proswpa apo th diadikasia ths Ejetastikhs, fysika, nomizw oti boylhsh olwn, toylaxiston toy PASOK, einai na diereynhqei otidhpote tetoio.

SIDERHS: Giati h kybernhsh den strefetai dikastika kata ths Siemens, h opoia edine tis politikes xorhgies;

PETALWTHS: Oi proseggiseis poy ginontai se epipedo dikaiosynhs einai prosektikes. Emeis diereynoyme opoiadhpote ptyxh olwn aytwn twn zhthmatwn, h opoia qa prepei na diereynhqei kai qa exei na kanei me to dhmosio symferon kai th dhmosia perioysia. Polla pragmata, omws, prepei na antilhfqoyme oti den einai apla, oyte aploika. Mporei pragmatika h boylhsh na einai safhs, qa prepei, omws, h kybernhsh na energei gia to kratos me sygkekrimeno tropo, poly meqodika, prokeimenoy kai eyqynes na katalogizontai se poiniko epipedo, alla kai na apokaqistatai h dhmosia perioysia. Kai fysika, otan einai se ejelijh mia Ejetastikh Epitroph ths Boylhs, apo thn opoia piqanon na prokycoyn tetoies eyqynes, h kybernhsh kai to kratos exei ypoxrewsh - to kratos oxi h kaqe kybernhsh- na prosfygei dikastika, etsi wste na apokatastaqei h dhmosia perioysia h na apokatastaqei akomh kai h hqikh blabh toy Dhmosioy.

PITTARAS: Epeidh lete oti qelete na apokalyfqei h alhqeia kai ayto profanws qelei kai o kosmos apo esas, pws sas fainetai poy ena prwhn politiko proswpo, phgainei mesa sth Boylh, anebainei sto bhma, paradexetai oti exei parei miza kai anenoxlhtos pairnei to prwto aeroplano kai feygei sto ejwteriko;

PETALWTHS: Ayth einai mia aisqhsh peri dikaioy, h opoia yparxei kai perirreei aytes tis hmeres. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, sas ejhghsa oti yparxei ena sygkekrimeno nomiko plaisio to opoio einai parwxhmeno, einai adiko, kai polles fores ypoqalpei thn atimwrhsia. To shmantiko einai oti emeis ayto to plaisio to allazoyme. Emeis eimaste poy se ligo qa feroyme sth Boylh nomosxedio gia thn tropopoihsh twn diatajewn toy nomoy peri eyqynhs ypoyrgwn. Kai fysika eipame - to dhlwsa kai prohgoymenws kai exei dhlwqei se ola ta epipeda- oti qa ejantlhqoyn ola ta periqwria etsi wste apo edw kai pera, kapoios poy omologei oti xrhmatisthke na mh feygei atimwrhtos. Yparxoyn opla sto nomiko oplostasio toy kratoys kai ths Boylhs, poy pisteyw oti qa ajiologhqoyn kai qa ajiopoihqoyn.

PITTARAS: Nai, alla prokeitai gia to deytero proswpo poy symbainei akribws to idio pragma. Qymaste thn periptwsh Xristoforakoy.

PETALWTHS: Sthn periptwsh Xristoforakoy yparxoyn eyqynes opoy, enw omologhse -kai den htan politiko proswpo o k. Xristoforakos, htan enas aplos poliths- anti na perioristei toylaxiston h eleyqeria toy, afeqhke kai malista me polles yponoies emplokhs ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs, na fygei sto ejwteriko kai meta prospaqoysame na ton feroyme pisw. Einai dyo teleiws diaforetika qemata.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Se ena allo qema: Skeftetai h kybernhsh na metaferei ston ychlo syntelesth toy FPA sto 23% ta trofima kai ta farmaka opws exei ypogracei sto mnhmonio me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai to D.N.T.;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh apofasizei me sygkekrimena krithria. Apo th stigmh poy den yparxei tetoia apofash, den to sxoliazw.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Yparxei sto mnhmonio, omws.

PETALWTHS: Yparxei sygkekrimenos FPA gia sygkekrimena proionta kai ayto hdh isxyei.

FOYRLHS: Se allo qema. Hqela na sas rwthsw pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Boylhs, apo to bhma ths Boylhs, xqes, gia tis adynamies poy diapistwnei ston ``KALLIKRATH''. Ena nomosxedio, to opoio eseis prin apo 48 wres, an den kanw laqos, tonisate oti prokeitai gia meizona metarryqmish pros to symferon twn politwn kai gia th diaswsh ths xwras, kai an sas apasxolei to gegonos oti boyleytes h toylaxiston o Proedros ths Boylhs den protiqentai na chfisoyn me thn ``kardia'' toys ena tetoio nomosxedio, toso shmantiko gia thn kybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Pisteyw oti ean anatrejei kapoios kai stis dhlwseis toy k. Petsalnikoy, alla kai olwn twn boyleytwn, oi opoioi, isws, eixan amfibolies gia to xwroqetiko meros, akomh kai shmera na sas qymisw, o k. Petsalnikos dhlwse oti o ``KALLIKRATHS'' einai ena alma ths topikhs aytodioikhshs pros ta empros. Den qa brei diafwnies epi toy ``KALLIKRATH'' kai epi ths terastias shmasias poy exei o ``KALLIKRATHS''. Twra, ean se kapoies perioxes yparxoyn amfisbhthseis - kai einai epomeno na yparxoyn ws pros th xwroqethsh kai thn onomasia kapoiwn Dhmwn, thn edra kapoiwn Dhmwn - ayta einai qemita kai einai sto plaisio toy roloy toy boyleyth, o opoios blepei diaforetika ta pragmata sthn eklogikh toy perifereia. To shmantiko einai oti kaneis den amfisbhthse -isa, isa to antiqeto - thn ajia toy ``KALLIKRATH''. Anagnwrizetai apo oloys toys boyleytes, idiaitera toy PASOK kai fysika kaneis den mporei na apajiwsei to oti o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Ragkoyshs, oi yfypoyrgoi kai oi synergates toys ekanan mia ejairetikh doyleia kai malista xwris ekptwseis. Kai ayto to lew giati oi Dhmoi, etsi opws paroysiasthkan sthn arxh, anti na ayjhqoyn - kai qa ginotan ayto ean yfistanto pieseis kai to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn htan anektiko se aytes tis pieseis - meiwqhkan. Yphrje mia staqerh grammh toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, etsi wste ayto to meizon egxeirhma na apodwsei kai na mh parapoihqei kai na mhn ypobaqmistei h ajia toy apo sygkekrimena qemata xwroqethshs.

SIDERHS: Se ena allo qema poy synhqws den erwtatai mhpws xarakthristei o erwtwn ratsisths. Sto kentro ths Aqhnas exei ginei apoikia egklhmatos. Xqes, pali, eixame maxes metajy symmoriwn me giatagania kai akontia. qa ejakoloyqhsei gia poly akomh na einai abato;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei ena meizon zhthma, ena megalo qema metanasteytikhs politikhs, h opoia den yphrxe mexri twra. Emeis, prospaqoyme kai fysika den mporoyme na dexomaste oti yparxoyn perioxes ths Aqhnas, alla kai ths ellhnikhs epikrateias poy einai abata. Einai qema prostasias toy polith. Ginetai mia shmantikh doyleia, h opoia, fysika, den mporei na teleiwsei me mia, dyo epixeirhseis opws kapoioi prospaqoysan na kanoyn. Qelei doyleia se baqos, etsi wste na mhn yparxoyn abata kai na einai sebasta ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata. Kai ena stoixeiwdes dikaiwma einai na mporei kapoios na kykloforei eleyqera kai me asfaleia sthn polh toy. Einai, omws, ena qema poy sysswreythke edw kai para polla xronia kai antimetwpizetai me th deoysa sobarothta.

SIDERHS: Den to blepoyme na antimetwpizetai me sobarothta. Ta problhmata yparxoyn kai epayjanontai.

PETALWTHS: Ejartatai apo poia optikh gwnia blepei kapoios to qema. Pantws, h egklhmatikothta poy afora stoys Ellhnes polites einai ena qema poy exei antimetwpistei apo thn kybernhsh me ton kalytero tropo. Me th systash ths omadas ``DIAS'', blepoyme oti h egklhmatikothta exei ypoxwrhsei enw parallhla exei enisxyqei h asfaleia twn politwn.

FOYRLHS: Epitrecte moy na epanelqw sto qema toy k. Mantelh. Aytokritikh h kybernhsh exei na kanei gia to qema ayto;

PETALWTHS: Gia to oti systhse ejetastikes epitropes... Kai gia to oti o k. Mantelhs eftase na brisketai sth Boylh kai na omologei;

FOYRLHS: Gia to gegonos oti epi kybernhsews PASOK kai pali, apokalyfqhke ek twn ysterwn, polla xronia meta, afoy frontise o tote ypoyrgos poy eixe epilegei, an qymamai kala apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, kai malista htan proswpikh toy epilogh kai stenotatos synergaths tote toy Prwqypoyrgoy, erxetai polla xronia meta, afoy exei frontisei, endexomenws na paragrafoyn orismena pragmata, na mas pei oti: nai, kyrioi, elaba xorhgia. Loipon, h kybernhsh, to PASOK, mallon, gia thn akribeia, den aisqanetai thn anagkh na kanei aytokritikh gia to gegonos oti o ellhnikos laos ypesth kai to adikhma, alla kai thn agnoia epi mia seira oloklhrwn etwn;

PETALWTHS: To PASOK den qa kanei aytokritikh gia to ti ginotan edw kai para polles dekaeties. Ayto to eipame. To exoyme kanei. Einai h aytokritikh poy prepei na kanei o politikos kosmos giati to qema einai syllogiko. To PASOK, antiqeta, mporei na perhfaneyetai, kai den to ekane gia logoys entypwsiasmoy, oti edw kai epta mhnes milhse gia systash ejetastikwn epitropwn kai epanalambanw ejetastikwn epitropwn poy kapoioi mas elegan oti den qa tis tolmhsoyme pote. Emeis leme, ``ola sto fws'', kai an den yphrxe ayth h prwtoboylia toy PASOK, shmera den qa miloysame oyte gia ton k. Mantelh, oyte gia ton opoiodhpote politiko, o opoios eblace to dhmosio symferon. Kai fysika, isws, den anakoinwnotan kai zhthma allaghs toy nomoy peri eyqynhs ypoyrgwn, opws tolma epiteloys ayth h kybernhsh toy PASOK na to prajei.

POLYMEROS: Zhthma prowrwn eklogwn yparxei gia thn kybernhsh; Giati gia ton k. Samara, mallon yparxei.

PETALWTHS: Safws kai den yparxei zhthma prowrwn eklogwn

ZAFEIRIADOY: Hqela na sas rwthsw, akribws, gia th shmerinh chfoforia sth Boylh. Se periptwsh boyleytwn toy PASOK poy epiqymhsoyn na chfisoyn parwn h oxi ston ``KALLIKRATH'', qa exoyme nees diagrafes;

PETALWTHS: As afhsoyme na yparjei chfoforia kai qa doyme.

Sas eyxaristw.

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