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Paraskeyh, 20 Noembrioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 236107507

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 20 Noembrioy 2009

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalhmera sas.

Katatiqetai, shmera, sth Boylh, opws einai gnwsto kai opws problepetai, to sxedio toy Proypologismoy gia to 2010. Enos Proypologismoy, ton opoio exoyme xarakthrisei ws Proypologismo metabatiko, ws ena neo jekinhma gia mia diaforetikh politikh. Gia mia politikh koinwnikhs Dikaiosynhs, anaptyjhs ths oikonomias pros ofelos toy Ellhna polith. Qa yparjei kai mia dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy meta thn kataqesh toy Proypologismoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Xqes, sas legame synexeia oti yparxei mia anakoloyqia se osa proeklogika eixate pei kai se osa meteklogika kanate. Meta th xqesinobradinh anadiplwsh, se sxesh me thn ypoqesh toy ``pagwmatos'' twn misqwn, ti akribws ylopoieitai;

PETALWTHS: Den dexomaste oti yparxei kapoia anadiplwsh. Den milhsame gia ``pagwma'' misqwn. Emeis sto sxedio toy Proypologismoy, to opoio kataqetoyme, orizoyme ta oria askhshs ths eisodhmatikhs politikhs kai meta kai apo dieykrinistikh dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, oristhke oti h eisodhmatikh politikh toy Dhmosioy gia to 2010 einai ayjhsh 1,5% gia ypallhloys me basiko misqo 2.000 eyrw. Opws einai gnwsto, o Proypologismos deixnei tis kateyqynseis, h eisodhmatikh politikh omws prosdiorizetai kai orizetai me eidikotero nomo, o opoios qa akoloyqhsei stis arxes toy epomenoy xronoy.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Eipate prin apo ligo oti den yparxei anadiplwsh. Proxqes, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, ti akribws apofasisthke; Ayto poy anakoinwqhke xqes;

PETALWTHS: Sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, proxqes, syzhthqhke to sxedio Proypologismoy. Yphrxe anagkh dieykrinishs, h opoia egine.

TOYMASHS: To oti xreiasthke apo thn kybernhsh dieykrinish, opws eipate twra, to qewreite fysiologiko kai synhqes h synista aneparkh enhmerwsh;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei qema aneparkeias ths enhmerwshs. Ginetai syzhthsh. Eimaste kybernhsh poy syzhta. Kai opoy yparxei anagkh dieykrinishs kai sthn periptwsh poy yparxei sygxysh kai malista prin apo thn kataqesh toy Proypologismoy -giati h monh dieykrinish einai otan katatiqetai epishmws, opws ginetai shmera, o Proypologismos- ginetai kai h analogh dieykrinish. Alla, h typikh diadikasia einai ayth poy ginetai shmera kai poy deixnei kai tis proqeseis ths kybernhshs.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, emeis den katalabame swsta h eseis mas to eipate laqos;

PETALWTHS: Poio;

KOYTRAS: Gia to ``pagwma'', gia tis 2.000 eyrw. Htan allo pragma thn Tetarth to brady kai htan allo pragma xqes.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, loipon, h lejh ``pagwma'' einai diaforetikh. Den ekfrazei th dikh mas antilhch. Yparxei eisodhmatikh politikh, yparxoyn oria poy mpainoyn sthn eisodhmatikh politikh. To na apomonwnetai, mesa apo mia seira prwtoboyliwn -opoy exoyn kyriws anaptyjiako xarakthra ayta poy syzhthqhkan, proxqes, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio- mia lejh kai na pairnei ki ena sygkekrimeno xarakthra, nomizw oti adikei thn politikh ths kybernhshs panw se qemata oikonomias kai anaptyjhs. Eipame kai dhlwnoyme kai shmera, epishmws bebaiws, afoy shmera katatiqetai o Proypologismos sth Boylh, oti h eisodhmatikh politikh askeitai kata ton tropo poy sas eipa prohgoymenws.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, egw qa epimeinw oti htan eligmos, epeidh akoysa me ta aftia moy thn eisodhmatikh politikh. Twra, mhpws to antitimo gi` ayth thn kinhsh, gi` ayth thn anadiplwsh einai epwdyna metra stis ergasiakes sxeseis, sto Asfalistiko kai sthn Paideia;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti kai h mexri twra poreia mias kybernhshs 40 hmerwn exei deijei kai tis stoxeyseis kai toys prosanatolismoys, alla kai thn ylopoihsh sygkekrimenwn desmeysewn ws pros ta zhthmata poy eipate. Den mporoyme na agnohsoyme oti bazoyme se ayto ton Proypologismo 1 dis eyrw gia thn Paideia, oti yparxei merimna na proslhfqei enas poly megalos ariqmos noshleytwn kai bebaia sthrizoyme to koinwniko kratos. Ayta einai sygkekrimena metra, einai metra gia ta opoia desmeyqhkame kai ylopoioyme stis liges, mono, hmeres ths kybernhshs. Ara, den prokeitai gia qewrhtikes stoxeyseis kai prosanatolismoys. Prokeitai gia sygkekrimenes energeies poy deixnoyn thn politikh mas panw se aytoys toys eyaisqhtoys tomeis.

GARGALAKOS: Giati, omws, egine ayth h dieykrinish k. Ypoyrge, meta thn topoqethsh toy k. Papoytsh, o opoios, apo o,ti fainetai kai aytos askhse kritikh sth sygkekrimenh kateyqynsh toy sxedioy toy Proypologismoy.

PETALWTHS: O k. Papoytshs epeshmane thn anagkh ths dieykrinishs me thn omilia toy sth Boylh. Kai h dieykrinish ayth, egine.

XASAPOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh elabe kapoia mhnymata apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada oti yparxei ena problhma metajy twn boyleytwn kai antidraseis kai gi` ayto egine ayth h dieykrinish, qa legame;

PETALWTHS: H dieykrinish egine, giati diapistwqhke h anagkh na mhn yparxei sygxysh kai na dieykrinistei to qema ths eisodhmatikhs politikhs, dhladh ti afora o misqos twn 2.000 eyrw, etsi wste na yparxei h sygkekrimenh diapistwsh. H Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK apoteleitai apo boyleytes oi opoioi exoyn apoch, apo boyleytes oi opoioi parakoloyqoyn tis diadikasies, apo boyleytes oi opoioi symmetexoyn sth diamorfwsh ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. Kai nomizw oti den exei kamia sxesh me th dieykrinish, h opoia egine.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Ep` aytoy: Eseis hsastan mesa sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio ti akribws apofasise; Apofasise na ``pagwsei'' toys misqoys mexri 2.000 h toys basikoys misqoys mexri 2.000;

PETALWTHS: Oxi na ``pagwsei''. Gia toys misqoys 2.000 eyrw kai panw, gia na yparxei eisodhmatikh politikh. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, emeine to qema pros dieykrinish, kati to opoio egine xqes.

BLABIANOS: Sas diabazw apo thn efhmerida ``TO BHMA'': ``Oysiastika, me ton tropo ayto periorizontai shmantika oi dhmosioi ypallhloi poy qa laboyn mhdenikes ayjhseis, kaqws o anwteros basikos misqos den jeperna ta 1.666 eyrw, me ejairesh anwtatoys dikastikoys, stratiwtikoys kai diplwmates''. Me alla logia, oloi oi dhmosioi ypallhloi qa paroyn ayjhseis.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola eipame, akomh kai gia toys misqoys panw apo 2.000 eyrw, oti yparxei h diadikasia ths wrimanshs, opoy yparxei mia ayjhsh peripoy 2%. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei ki enas ypologismos, posoi apo toys ypallhloys den qa paroyn ayjhsh. Kai einai enas ariqmos, apo oso gnwrizw, gyrw stis 40.000 ypallhloys.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Oi boyleytes sas eixan enhmerwqei gia ta metra toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn; Giati afhnoyn na ennohqei oti enhmerwqhkan mesw diarrown.

PETALWTHS: Oi boyleytes symmetexoyn sth lhch twn kybernhtikwn apofasewn me diaforoys tropoys.

PITTARAS: Xqes, pantws, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw, pws kanate ayto ton eligmo, epeidh antedrase o k. Papoytshs. Ayto fanhke, toylaxiston epikoinwniaka. Oi qigomenoi den antedrasan. Mhpws janaskefteste, loipon, na ferete ayth th ryqmish;

PETALWTHS: Oi ``qigomenoi'', poioi dhladh;

PITTARAS: Aytoi oi opoioi pairnoyn ta dyo xiliarika.

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti den yphrxe oysiastika anadiplwsh. Yphrxe anagkh dieykrinishs, h opoia kai egine.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Panw se ayto hqela na sas rwthsw. H kybernhsh ekane ayth th dieykrinish, qa legame, kai ebgale ejw apo ayto to metro para polles xiliades dhmosioys ypallhloys. Kapoio oysiastiko diarqrwtiko metro gia ton periorismo twn elleimmatwn, qa parei h kybernhsh; Giati mexri twra blepoyme oti me thn prwth antidrash dinei dieykriniseis kai oysiastika stelnei ena mhnyma stis Bryjelles oti oyte oi misqoi twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn qa perikopoyn. Kapoio oysiastiko diarqrwtiko metro, poy zhtoyn oi Bryjelles, qa parei h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, pairnoyme ta metra, ws ellhnikh kybernhsh, giati diapistwnoyme to megalo problhma to opoio yparxei sthn ellhnikh oikonomia. Apo kei kai pera, kai mesa ston Proypologismo, o opoios katatiqetai shmera, yparxei mia seira apo metra, ta opoia pragmatika stoxeyoyn, afenos men sthn perikoph ths terastias spatalhs toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy kai afeteroy sthn eisprajh forwn, oi opoioi den exoyn eispraxqei edw kai polla xronia. Problepetai kai mia seira metrwn, etsi wste na prolaboyme ayto to dhmosionomiko ektroxiasmo. Na periswsoyme o,ti mporoyme ayth th stigmh. Gi` ayto akribws, yparxei kai h meiwsh toy elleimmatos mesa apo ayto ton Proypologismo kata 3,6 monades, poy shmainei oti ginetai mia poly sobarh doyleia panw se ayto to qema, prokeimenoy na periswsoyme kai thn ajiopistia mas pros thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai ta oikonomika mas, alla kai thn ajiopistia mas pros ton Ellhna polith gia na mporesoyn na askhqoyn kai oi politikes ths kybernhshs.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Papakwnstantinoy, xqes, milhse gia thn terastia forodiafygh poy epikratei stoys xwroys twn epaggelmatiwn, twn mikromesaiwn eyrytera klp. Ti skefteste na kanete gia na periorisete ayth th forodiafygh sygkekrimena; Qa epanaferete ta antikeimenika krithria, gia paradeigma; Qa balete krithria diabiwshs;

PETALWTHS: Ayta poy moy lete, ayta poy rwtate  kai eylogws bebaia- qa dieykrinistoyn me to neo forologiko nomosxedio, to opoio qa katateqei pros dhmosia diaboyleysh mesa sto 2009 kai qa doqei pros chfish, me thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia, stis arxes toy 2010. Apo kei kai pera, nomizw oti h kybernhsh kai me tis shmerines prajeis ths, deixnei oti qa yparxei mia peristolh ths forodiafyghs, etsi wste na epelqei, epiteloys, kai koinwnikh dikaiosynh mesa apo ayth th diadikasia.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Me aformh thn enarjh toy dialogoy gia to Asfalistiko apo th Deytera, qa labete ypoch sas tis protaseis toy OASA, poy zhta diarqrwtikes allages kai nea metra;

PETALWTHS: Emeis jekiname enan eyry dialogo gia to Asfalistiko. Ena poly megalo zhthma koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs, to opoio den exei kleisei pote kai ginetai olo kai ojytero. Qa lhfqoyn oles oi gnwmes mesa apo mia dhmosia diaboyleysh, etsi wste na yparjei ena biwsimo kai koinwnika dikaio asfalistiko systhma.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Atzenta bazei h kybernhsh; Pws qa paei sto dialogo;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti hdh, jekinwntas o dialogos, qa teqoyn kai oi oroi toy dialogoy. Emeis eimaste anoixtoi kai mesa apo th dhmosia diaboyleysh, pera apo to dialogo me toys sygkekrimenoys emplekomenoys foreis.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ti poso ypologizei h kybernhsh oti qa kerdisei apo ayth th ryqmish, meta kai apo th xqesinh sas dieykrinish;

PETALWTHS: Gia poia ryqmish;

ZAFEIRIADOY: Milw gia to ``pagwma'' twn misqwn, panw apo 2.000 eyrw, twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn.

PETALWTHS: H dieykrinish poy egine kai ginetai pros to paron, einai ayth poy afora se poso ariqmo peripoy anaferetai ayth h eisodhmatikh politikh. Kai eipame oti einai gyrw stoys 40.000 ypallhloys.

PITTARAS: Mhpws skopeyete na diorqwsete kai to pososto ths ayjhshs twn misqwn; Giati oloi lene oti to 1,5% einai cixoyla.

PETALWTHS: Eixame desmeytei prin apo tis ekloges -kai to kanoyme prajh- oti qa yparxoyn ayjhseis panw apo ton plhqwrismo. Gnwrizoyme th deinh oikonomikh katastash toy Ellhna polith. Prospaqoyme kai mesa apo ton Proypologismo ayto, alla kai me oles tis energeies mas, na dwsoyme mia anasa sthn kaqhmerinothta h opoia gnwrizoyme oti einai poly asxhmh. Alla, exoyme na kanoyme mia poly megalh prospaqeia. Hdh, to na sxediastei kai na katateqei aytos o Proypologismos htan ena pragmatika dyskolo egxeirhma ths kybernhshs, gnwrizontas oles tis parametroys. Emeis qewroyme oti aytos o Proypologismos einai mono ena prwto jekinhma gia thn anatajh ths oikonomias kai gia thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh.

ZHLAKOS: Stoxos ths kybernhshs einai ayth h eisodhmatikh politikh na prowqhqei kai na isxysei kai ston idiwtiko tomea; Ws gnwston, yparxoyn syllogikes symbaseis ktl. Alla, h kybernhsh epidiwkei na isxysei mia analogh politikh;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh merimna kai gia toys misqoys, ennoeitai, toy idiwtikoy tomea. Apo kei kai pera, h meqodologia qa ejeidikeyqei sto mellon -oi syllogikes symbaseis einai mia yparkth diadikasia- kai qa kinhqei se ayta ta plaisia.

ZHLAKOS: Dhladh, antistoixo entos h ektos eisagwgikwn, pagwma;

PETALWTHS: Oxi, bebaia antistoixo ``pagwma''. Prwta apo ola, emeis den qewroyme oti yparxei ``pagwma''.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, afoy gia ena tetoio zhthma, ayto toy eligmoy, ths diorqwshs, opws lete...

PETALWTHS: Dieykrinishs.

MPOTWNHS: Dieykrinishs, opws lete, den htan kai to meizon kai kanate pisw. Me 160 boyleytes dhladh, se alla zhthmata poy erxontai, poy eixame kai sto prosfato parelqon me to limani, pws qa mporesete na ta perasete;

PETALWTHS: Ma, den yparxei kamia diastash anamesa sthn kybernhsh kai toys boyleytes. Egw sas eipa oti oi boyleytes symmetexoyn sthn olh diadikasia, sthrizoyn. Oi boyleytes exoyn tis apoceis toys. Einai politikes ontothtes, oi opoies kai anadeiknyontai apo ton ellhniko lao kai bebaiws symmetexoyn me ton tropo, etsi opws orizetai kai mesa apo thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia, sth lhch twn genikoterwn kybernhtikwn apofasewn.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Hqela na sas rwthsw, ara me ayta poy lete kalws ekane o k. Papoytshs kai shkwse toys tonoys sth Boylh. Dhladh, yparxei qema me ton k. Papoytsh gia thn topoqethsh toy;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kanena qema me ton k. Papoytsh. O k. Papoytshs einai Koinoboyleytikos Ekproswpos toy PASOK. Ejefrase tis apoceis toy kai akoloyqhse h dieykrinish, h opoia egine.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Epeidh lete oti oi boyleytes symmetexoyn stis lhceis twn apofasewn klp. Xqes eidame, ektos apo ayto to qema, kai mia gkrinia na yparxei ston KTE gia to Ypoyrgeio Periballontos kai h Ypoyrgos dexthke kritikh kai gia thn praktikh ths, alla kai gia orismena shmeia toy nomosxedioy poy fernei ktl. Ayth h eikona ikanopoiei thn kybernhsh; Oti dhladh, kaqe fora poy phgainoyn ston KTE oi Ypoyrgoi, briskontai antimetwpoi me boyleytes oi opoioi kai enhmerwsh den exoyn, alla kai sobares parathrhseis kanoyn sta nomosxedia.

PETALWTHS: Emeis antimetwpizoyme toys boyleytes ws symmetoxoys sthn askhsh ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. Ayto orizetai kai apo to nomo kai apo to Syntagma. Ayth einai kai h praktikh toy PASOK. Oi Koinoboyleytikoi Tomeis Ergasias toy PASOK ergazontai kai symmetexoyn sth lhch twn kybernhtikwn apofasewn. Den qewroyme oti yparxei zhthma otan ekfrazontai oi apoceis mesa se enan KTE. Gi` ayto sygkaloyntai, gi` ayto synedriazoyn oi Koinoboyleytikoi Tomeis. Oi Ypoyrgoi phgainoyn stoys Koinoboyleytikoys Tomeis Ergasias kai syzhtoyn ola ta zhthmata. Ayth einai h Dhmokratia kai mesa sto PASOK kai h Dhmokratia poy epiqymei h kybernhsh.

TOYMASHS: Para thn kybernhtikh parainesh, h apogohteytikh proseleysh kai xqes toy iatrikoy kai noshleytikoy proswpikoy sta kentra emboliasmoy, eidika sth Qessalonikh, qa hqela na mas peite, ean pisteyete pws ofeiletai sto oti to iatriko kai noshleytiko proswpiko kati jerei parapanw apo emas gia th xrhsimothta kai thn epikindynothta toy embolioy h pws oloi aytoi poy den kanoyn to embolio, akomh kai oi giatroi kai oi noshleytes einai qymata kapoiwn poy isxyrizontai pws h emboliolagneia prokaleitai apo symferonta farmakobiomhxanikwn megaqhriwn.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh askei mia ypeyqynh politikh sto qema ths Ygeias kai eidikotera sto qema twn emboliasmwn. H kybernhsh einai ypeyqynh gia na xarajei thn politikh, thn opoia ylopoiei kiolas me toys emboliasmoys kai me ena ektetameno diktyo ejyphrethshs twn politwn kai merimnas, mesa apo toys emboliasmoys, etsi wste na mh diadoqei h griph.

ZHLAKOS: Xqes, tessera toyrkika maxhtika, me NATOikh sthn oysia shmaia, kai ayto qelw na to epishmanw, eisebalan se xwro desmeymeno opoy diejagotan ellhnikh askhsh. Ayto, pws symbibazetai me th diakhrygmenh qesh ths kybernhshs oti h symmetoxh ths Elladas stis drasthriothtes toy NATO, ejyphretei to dhmosio kai to eqniko symferon. Kai en pash periptwsei, ti metra phrate gia th sygkekrimenh xqesinh energeia;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh synektima ta panta gia to dhmosio kai eqniko symferon kai opoy xreiazetai parembainei me tis gnwstes diplwmatikes odoys.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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