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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 9 Noembrioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 233759496

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 9 Noembrioy 2009

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo sas meshmeri kai kalh sas ebdomada.

Eixame desmeytei proeklogika ws PASOK gia thn plhrh anadiarqrwsh toy kratoys se oles toy tis domes. Hdh jekinhsame se prwth fash apo thn idia th systash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Me thn anoixth diakybernhsh, ena prwtognwro qesmo qesame tis baseis gia thn kalyterh, pio dhmokratikh kai pio apodotikh leitoyrgia toy kratoys. Gia ena kratos konta ston polith. Me ajones, loipon, kai zhtoymeno th diafaneia kai thn ajiokratia proxwrame amesa kai entos ths ebdomadas to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn qa dwsei pros dhmosia diaboyleysh sxedio nomoy gia tis proslhceis sto Dhmosio. Me ton tropo ayto kanoyme prajh thn qewrhsh mas gia ena allo montelo kratoys. Sygxrono, eyelikto, xwris perittes dapanes, apallagmeno apo pelateiakes kai kommatikes nootropies, poy efarmozei th diafaneia, thn ajiokratia, thn isonomia, th logodosia kai ejyphretei ton Ellhna polith.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sthn xqesinh syskech sto Majimoy, o Prwqypoyrgos ti odhgies edwse stoys Ypoyrgoys toy; Pros poia kateyqynsh;

PETALWTHS: Xqes, egine mia seira apo synanthseis kai ergasies sto prwqypoyrgiko grafeio me armodioys Ypoyrgoys kai paragontes, etsi wste na proxwrhsei kalytera to hdh kalo kybernhtiko ergo.

GIANNISHS: Hsastan parwn kai eseis apo oti fainetai. Diapistwnei o Prwqypoyrgos arryqmies sthn poreia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy mexri stigmhs;

PETALWTHS: Qa elega to antiqeto. Gnwrizoyme poly kala ti paralabame. Gnwrizoyme ti qelame, ti qeloyme kai ti epidiwkoyme mesa apo thn politikh ths neas kybernhshs. Einai epomeno oti otan erxomaste na kainotomhsoyme kai na ylopoihsoyme -opws eipa kai prohgoymenws sthn eisagwgh- mia allh qewrhsh gia to kratos, gia thn oikonomia, gia thn kaqhmerinothta toy polith, na yparxoyn kapoies ypotiqemenes pros ta ejw kaqysterhseis. Emeis omws me tis epiloges poy kanoyme, gnwrizoyme oti to apotelesma qa einai to kalytero. Ekei prosdokoyme toylaxiston. Gi` ayto zhtame kai th bohqeia toy aploy Ellhna polith kai mesa apo tis kainoyrgies diadikasies, opws einai h dhmosia diaboyleysh, alla kai h anoixth diakybernhsh, kai pisteyoyme oloi mas sthn kybernhsh oti sto poly ligo xrono poy eixame sth diaqesh mas to kybernhtiko ergo proxwraei kai kyriws fainontai oi prosanatolismoi toy kai oi epidiwjeis toy.

GIANNISHS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh. Sas rwthsa an o Prwqypoyrgos diapistwse arryqmies sto kybernhtiko ergo.

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa. Den yparxei diapistwsh gia arryqmies.

TSIKRIKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs gia thn dikastikh troph poy exei parei to qema twn naytergatwn.

PETALWTHS: To qema toy limanioy toy Peiraia, einai ena zhthma poy mas apasxolei. Einai ena zhthma, to opoio einai gnwsto oti klhronomhsame apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Me thn prwth mera ths diakybernhshs, hdh, yphrxe se ejelijh apergia sto limani. Prospaqhsame kai kataferame na feroyme sto trapezi twn diapragmateysewn, mesa apo mia diadikasia dialogoy, oloys toys emplekomenoys foreis. Hdh to olo zhthma etsi opws brisketai ayth th stigmh -gnwrizontas oti yparxei problhma sthn agora kai prospaqwntas na proaspisoyme to dhmosio symferon, poy einai dynamikh ths agoras kai ergasiaka zhthmata- antimetwpizetai kai pairnei mia nea dynamikh kai me ton typiko orismo ayrio ws Dieyqynontos Symboyloy toy Organismoy Limenos Peiraiws toy k. Anwmerith -enos anqrwpoy o opoios einai empeiros kai gnwrizei kai ta naytiliaka zhthmata- etsi wste na prowqhqei o dialogos me toys ergazomenoys. Etsi wste na ejhghqei oti h apergia prepei na lhjei gia to dhmosio symferon, alla kai gia to symferon twn idiwn twn ergazomenwn.

KOYTRAS: Exei analabei kapoio eidiko rolo o k. Pagkalos opws diabazoyme shmera se polles megales kai egkyres efhmerides;

PETALWTHS: Oi roloi einai sygkekrimenoi, einai diakritoi. Ston Organismo Limenos Peiraiws phgainei pleon o k. Anwmeriths. Thn eyqynh gia thn politikh sth naytilia thn askei h k. Katselh. O k. Pagkalos einai antiproedros ths kybernhshs kai exei kai ena sygkekrimeno rolo, opoy yparxoyn zhthmata na parembainei. To qema omws einai oti ayth h ejelijh brisketai, kaqodhgeitai kai ryqmizetai apo ton k. Anwmerith se sxesh me ta ergasiaka zhthmata kai thn k. Katselh ws pros th genikoterh politikh.

MIXAHL: To gegonos oti foreis ths agoras exoyn prosfygei sth Dikaiosynh, sas apasxolei; Dedomenoy oti yparxei o kindynos na yparjei emplokh ejaitias dikastikwn apofasewn kai sthn oysia h kybernhsh na emfanistei oti perimenei gia na lyqei to zhthma to ti qa apofasisoyn ta dikasthria kai oxi oi prwtoboylies poy h idia qa parei.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh, ws pros to zhthma toy limanioy, htan paroysa apo thn prwth stigmh kai einai paroysa akomh kai shmera. Lambanoyme sygkekrimena metra kai ta metra ta dika mas einai o dialogos, etsi wste na yparjei apotelesma. Apo kei kai pera, parakoloyqoyme, opws parakoloyqoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites, thn ejelijh ths dikastikhs prosfyghs orismenwn forewn. Ekfrazoyme kai emeis thn agwnia mas gia to anoigma toy limanioy kai th dynamikh ths agoras, alla oi epiloges ths kybernhshs einai safeis.

SIDERHS: Dyo erwthseis. Sth xqesinh syskech ap` o,ti leei to reportaz, ekfrasthke kai kapoia epifylajh h dysareskeia gia ton tropo poy ta Mesa Enhmerwshs apotypwnoyn kai probaloyn to kybernhtiko ergo. Qewrei h kybernhsh oti ta Mesa Enhmerwshs apotypwnoyn me alhqeia, me alhqofaneia, to kybernhtiko ergo h o k. Papandreoy kai h kybernhsh toy janabreqhkan sto stoxastro ejwqesmikwn kentrwn me allotrioys skopoys;

PETALWTHS: O kaqenas nomizw oti kanei th doyleia toy. H kybernhsh, mia kybernhsh enos mhna, kanei th doyleia ths -kai nomizw ejairetika- kai ta Mesa Mazikhs Epikoinwnias kanoyn th doyleia toys.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Gia to qema toy limanioy. Dialogos qa yparjei kai xwris na lhjei h apergia;

PETALWTHS: O dialogos einai se ejelijh. Se kaqe periptwsh, qa ginoyn apanwtes synanthseis aytes tis hmeres, apo toys armodioys. Kai bebaia qeloyme na stamathsei h apergia. Ayto einai dedomeno.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Ara, den qa kanete dialogo an den stamathsei h apergia;

PETALWTHS: O dialogos synexizetai.

BITALHS: An moy epitrepete, na rwthsw gia kapoio allo qema. Anamenoyme aytes tis hmeres apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn epistolh toy Toyrkoy omologoy toy, toy k. Erntogan gia synanthsh Koryfhs; Kai an thn anamenoyme o k. Prwqypoyrgos kai h ellhnikh pleyra synolika apodexontai ayth thn atzenta me meionotika qemata poy exei qesei o k. Erntogan;

PETALWTHS: H ejwterikh politikh ths kybernhshs einai mia ejwterikh dynamikh, epiqetikh, h opoia prowqei pagia ta eqnika symferonta ths xwras mas. Thn ejwterikh politikh thn kaqorizei apokleistika h kybernhsh me ta dedomena poy exei kaqe fora.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Shmera to prwi o neos grammateas toy LA.O.S. sas kathgorhse gi` ayto sto radiofwno, legontas oti h kybernhsh apodexetai meta apo dekaeties tis dimereis epafes se meizona eqnika qemata me thn Toyrkia. Exete kapoia apanthsh se ayto; Kai malista, gi` ayto to logo protiqetai kai na katachfisei ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, prokeimenoy na sas dhmioyrghsei problhma.

PETALWTHS: Aporw apo poy odhghqhke se ayto to symperasma. Dhlwnw safws oti einai teleiws ayqaireto kai streblo ena tetoio symperasma.

KAMPOYRAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na rwthsw ti xronodiagramma exei ayth h politikh toy dialogoy se o,ti afora to limani, dedomenoy oti mporei na einai mono enas mhnas poy exete analabei, alla me bash thn agora, me bash ta oikonomika dedomena, gia poso qa mporei h kybernhsh na leei kai na kalei toys limenergates se dialogo kai to limani na einai kleisto;

PETALWTHS: Emeis qa prospaqhsoyme na ejantlhsoyme ola ta periqwria toy dialogoy, etsi wste na anoijei jana to limani. Kai epeidh exoyme pei polles fores oti ta zhthmata poy tiqentai einai poly sygkekrimena, gi` ayto kaloyme oloys toys paragontes kai toys emplekomenoys foreis, metajy twn opoiwn kai kyriws toys ergazomenoys na synaisqanqoyn thn eyqynh toys, etsi wste na mhn yparxoyn oyte arryqmies sthn agora, etsi wste na diasfalizetai to dhmosio symferon. Kai bebaiws, opoy tiqentai ergasiaka zhthmata ta opoia einai pros diapragmateysh, ayta syzhtoyntai mesa apo ena dialogo. Alla, o kaqenas qa prepei na analabei tis eyqynes toy.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Paramones twn eklogwn, o Giwrgos Papandreoy kathggeile to jepoylhma toy ellhnikoy limanioy sthn kinezikh COSCO, kanontas logo gia ekpoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias. Xqes, Ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs me synenteyjeis toys, miloysan gia ``strathgikh symmaxia'' poy shmera blepoyn oi Ypoyrgoi me thn kinezikh COSCO. Telika ti isxyei;

PETALWTHS: Emeis kai prin tis ekloges, alla kai meta, askwntas th diakybernhsh ths xwras, milame gia mia symbash h opoia den mas ikanopoiei. H symbash ayth, omws, exei kyrwqei, einai nomos toy kratoys. Apo kei kai pera, den stamatame thn prospaqeia mas na beltiwsoyme ayth th symbash pros ofelos toy dhmosioy symferontos.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Einai telika strathgikh symmaxias h symfwnia me thn kinezikh polyeqnikh;

PETALWTHS: Oi ependyseis apo to ejwteriko, kai malista megales ependyseis, einai ena meros ths agoras kai safws mas endiaferoyn. Kai bebaiws, krinetai kai h ajiopistia mas ws pros toys etairoys.

SOFIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oson afora kai thn ajiopistia mas, o Ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn brisketai hdh stis Bryjelles h metabainei, ti prosdoka h kybernhsh na anakthsei oson afora sthn ajiopistia kai sthn empistosynh twn etairwn me ton Proypologismo kai to Sxedio Staqerothtas poy qa katateqei se liges hmeres;

PETALWTHS: O Ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn brisketai se mia dyskolh apostolh, symmetexontas sto ECOFIN kai sto EUROGROUP. Kai lew dyskolh giati gnwrizoyme oti einai mia dyskolh apostolh na peisoyme jana toys etairoys mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh oti exoyn na kanoyn me mia xwra h opoia pleon den apokryptei thn alhqeia. Mia xwra h opoia prospaqei na allajei thn oikonomikh ths politikh. Na dhmioyrghsei ena staqero dhmosionomiko kai oikonomiko periballon. Kai ayth h prospaqeia den einai eykolh gia th xwra mas, me dedomeno oti ta prohgoymena xronia, me thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, h katastash kai h eikona poy doqhke sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh htan teleiws diaforetikh. Apo kei kai pera, bebaia, emeis aisiodojoyme. Thn aisiodojia mas ayth kai tis proteraiothtes mas thn apotypwsame kai sto Sxedio Proypologismoy. Pisteyw oti sto telos, mesa apo thn akoloyqoymenh politikh, qa apodeijoyme oti eimaste ajiopistoi etairoi, etsi wste na mporoyme kai ta symferonta mas, oikonomika kai eqnika, na prowqoyme, alla kai na yparxei antapokrish apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

ANTYPAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pragmatika einai poly shmantikh h ajiopistia mas pros toys etairoys mas, kai gia thn alhqeia twn stoixeiwn poy dinoyme sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai gia thn aytonohth, an qelete, arxh oti oi symfwnies poy ypografoyme throyntai, se o,ti afora thn kinezikh COSCO. Sas apasxolei omws h ajiopistia sas sto eswteriko; Dedomenoy oti eixame anatroph twn desmeysewn ths kybernhshs kai sto qema toy OTE kai sto qema ths Olympiakhs kai sto qema toy limanioy kai sto qema twn telwn kykloforias kai sto qema ths aposyrshs kai mporw na anaferw kai alles tetoies periptwseis. Yparxei enas problhmatismos gia thn ajiopistia sas apenanti sthn ellhnikh koinh gnwmh h opoia sas pistece kai sas edwse isxyrh entolh diakybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Emeis pisteyoyme oti mesa se ayto to mhna ths diakybernhshs, ton prwto mhna, dwsame kai dinoyme deigmata ajiopistias. Einai safes oti ayth einai kai h desmeysh mas kai h entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy: Na akoloyqoyme thn politikh gia thn opoia desmeyqhkame prin tis ekloges. Yparxei mia seira apo shmantika zhthmata kai ths ellhnikhs koinwnias kai ths ellhnikhs oikonomias ta opoia omws einai synqeta kai prepei na ta blepoyme me th sobarothta kai me thn proseggish h opoia apaiteitai.

ANTYPAS: Dieykrinistika, ennoeite oti ws antipoliteysh den ta blepate toso synqeta kai den ta blepate me thn idia sobarothta poy apaiteitai;

PETALWTHS: Me thn idia sobarothta ta antimetwpizame kai tote, alla kai twra kai me th sygkekrimenh katastash thn opoia paralabame.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Na rwthsw kati sygkekrimeno ep aytoy, gia paradeigma, kyrie Ekproswpe. Legate oti qa parete ton OTE pisw, en pash periptwsei, ton elegxo ktl. Ston Proypologismo den yparxei kanena eyrw, den yparxei kamia problech qelw na pw, poy na odhgei sto symperasma oti h kybernhsh qa kanei kati tetoio; Pote skopeyei; Ston Proypologismo toy 2011, toy 2012 h toy 2013; Giati qelei lefta gia na erqei o OTE pisw.

PETALWTHS: As mhn jexname oti molis jekinhsame ws kybernhsh. Prospaqoyme na antimetwpisoyme kaqhmerina zhthmata mesa apo sygkekrimenes politikes tis opoies bazoyme kai einai politikes megales kai filodojwn diastasewn. Ola ta zhthmata gia ta opoia eixame apoch ws antipoliteysh kai eixame ekfrasei thn arnhsh kai tis enstaseis mas sthn politikh ths Neas Dhmokratias, qa ta proseggisoyme me th deoysa sobarothta. Kai as mhn jexname oti xarakthrisame pws to Sxedio toy Proypologismoy to opoio katateqhke einai enas Proypologismos anagkhs, enas Proypologismos poy einai aplws h arxh mias megalhs kai filodojhs politikhs, thn opoia exoyme san skopo na askhsoyme, gia ta ellhnika dedomena.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ep` aytoy. H kybernhsh, lete, exei apoceis kai tis diathrei. Mono poy h kybernhsh den ejelegh gia na exei apoceis, alla gia na efarmozei tis apoceis poy elege. To exete antilhfqei ayto;

PETALWTHS: Kai hdh se ena mhna diakybernhshs exoyme hdh na dwsoyme polla deigmata oti eimaste ajiopistoi sthn politikh mas.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, se ayto to nomosxedio poy mas anakoinwsate oti qa teqei se diaboyleysh, gia tis proslhceis sto Dhmosio kai th diafaneia, ean ekei qa symperilambanetai ryqmish gia oses symbaseis ergoy h metatajeis sto dhmosio tomea eginan toys teleytaioys mhnes prin tis ekloges.

PETALWTHS: Sto nomosxedio -sto opoio den eimai ejoysiodothmenos, giati xreiazetai mia diadikasia gia na oristikopoihqei, gia na doqei sth diaboyleysh kai typikh epejergasia, alla kai oysiastikh- qa antimetwpizontai ta zhthmata twn proslhcewn, genikws, sto ellhniko Dhmosio. Entos ths ebdomados qa anakoinwqei, opote qa mporei o kaqenas eleyqera na kanei tis parathrhseis toy.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Peri ajiopistias poy syzhtoysame prin. Proeklogika o Prwqypoyrgos yposxotan katarghsh twn ryqmisewn toy nomoy Petralia gia to Asfalistiko. Anti gi` aytes, blepoyme nees perikopes sth xrhmatodothsh twn Tameiwn mesw toy Prosxedioy toy Proypologismoy. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PETALWTHS: To Asfalistiko, exw pei kai alles fores, einai ena megalo zhthma gia th xwra mas. Klhronomoyme mia katastash xronia, me paqogeneies xronwn. Synepws, mesa sto plaisio ths pragmatikothtas qa prepei na to antimetwpisoyme.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Einai anagkaies oi perikopes poy ginontai sth xrhmatodothsh apo to kratos sta asfalistika Tameia;

PETALWTHS: Qa anoijei dialogos. Kai otan anoijei dialogos kai yparjei etoimo sxedio nomoy pros diaboyleysh, qa mporoyn na teqoyn plhrws ola ta zhthmata.

SIDERHS: Proxqes, sth synanthsh toy k. Droytsa me to SAE, diatypwqhke to parapono ek meroys twn apodhmwn oti den einai dynato na doqei to dikaiwma stoys laqrometanastes na chfisoyn kai na mh dinetai stoys apodhmoys Ellhnes. Eylogo den sas akoygete;

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme mia sygkekrimenh politikh, thn opoia ekfrasame gia thn chfo twn omogenwn mas, otan hrqe pros chfish sth Boylh nomosxedio apo th Nea Dhmokratia. Exoyme sygkekrimenes apoceis. Safws kai epiqymoyme na yparxei ekfrash kai eklogikh apotypwsh ths boylhshs twn omogenwn me ton pio gnhsio tropo.

SIDERHS: Epiqymeite, alla den grhgoreite. Mhpws epeidh stoys apodhmoys exei pleiochfia h Nea Dhmokratia;

PETALWTHS: Den grhgoroyme se ena mhna diakybernhshs; Qa erqoyn ola. Mhn anhsyxeite.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Ejakoloyqeite na apokleiete kai shmera to endexomeno ths epistrateyshs gia to limani;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws.

KROYSTALLH: Ta apotelesmata ths dhmosias diaboyleyshs pote qa ta doyme; Giati gia to prwto nomosxedio poy aforoyse ta kratika aytokinhta exei teleiwsei nomizw apo tis 28 toy mhna kai nomosxedio den exoyme dei na katatiqetai.

PETALWTHS: Epeidh shmera lhgei kai h proqesmia gia th dhmosia diaboyleysh gia to epidoma ektakths enisxyshs, qa yparxei tropos dhmosiopoihshs twn apotelesmatwn aytwn.

ANTYPAS: Se o,ti afora tis prosklhseis endiaferontos poy briskontai se ejelijh, na qewrhsoyme oti htan laqos to gegonos oti h eidopoihsh, to sms, gia tis prokhryjeis ston tomea ths Energeias kai twn Ydatwn mas hrqan 10.10 to brady ths Paraskeyhs;

PETALWTHS: Laqos, giati;

ANTYPAS: Giati qymamai oti h kybernhsh eixe pei oti den qa exei tropologies ths nyxtas. Deka kai deka, k. Ekproswpe, an jerete, oi efhmerides thn Paraskeyh einai kleistes. Den yparxei dynatothta na enhmerwqei o kosmos.

PETALWTHS: Einai teleiws diaforetiko. Oi tropologies ths nyxtas, tis opoies apofasisame na katarghsoyme eixan enan allo skopo kai h katarghsh toys exei enan allo skopo. H enhmerwsh, nomizw, oti einai amesh kai zwsa kai ginetai me ton tropo poy ginetai.

ANTYPAS: Sas rwtw, giati egw eixa dei thn prokhryjh, thn prosklhsh mallon endiaferontos, apo tis 12 to meshmeri. Gia poio logo apo tis 12 to meshmeri -enw htan sto diadiktyo, to sms stoys dhmosiografoys gia na to doyn oloi oi synadelfoi, egw tyxaia mphka sto (den akoygetai) kai to eida- hrqe stis 10.10 to brady ths Paraskeyhs, otan akoma kai ta kyriakatika fylla einai nekra; Gi` ayto rwtw, htan laqos;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kanenas logos. Emeis eimaste akribws yper ths diafaneias. Emeis eimaste poy efarmozoyme olo ayto to systhma, etsi wste na yparxei diafaneia me opoiodhpote kostos. Kai fysika den yphrxe kanenas logos.

ANTYPAS: Nai, alla an dinete tesseris hmeres kai oi dyo einai Sabbatokyriako...

PETALWTHS: Ta texnika zhthmata ta janablepoyme. Alla den yphrxe kanenas logos na apokrycoyme kati.

GARGALAKOS: Qa anakoinwqoyn oi Grammateis k. Ekproswpe;

PETALWTHS: Shmera, qa yparjei anakoinwsh kai allwn Grammatewn.

SIDERHS: Ariqmo exoyme;

PETALWTHS: Qa yparjei anakoinwsh syntoma.

KROYSTALLH: Ayta ta laqh poy yphrjan se ayth thn anoikth prosklhsh endiaferontos (den akoygetai) qa diorqwqoyn; Dhladh, prokhryjate qeseis se organismoys kai epixeirhseis poy den exei to Dhmosio metoxes.

PETALWTHS: Opoy yparxei kai an yparxei problhma, qa yparxei diorqwsh.

KAMPOYRAKHS: Egw qa epistrecw ligo sthn krish toy limanioy, an moy epitrepete na th xarakthrisw etsi k. Ekproswpe, gia na rwthsw to ejhs: Apo osa lete eseis, alla kai apo osa lene dhmosiws oi synarmodioi ypoyrgoi, sxedio ejodoy apo ayth thn ypoqesh den yparxei. Perimenete na fqasoyn oloi...

PETALWTHS: Egw den exw pei kati tetoio, oyte synarmodioi...

KAMPOYRAKHS: Sygnwmh, diko moy to symperasma. Perimenete na fqasoyn oloi sta oria toys, dhladh ergazomenoi, agora, akomh kai h kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na yparjei mia lysh otan den qa mporei na ginei tipota allo. Gi` ayto sas rwthsa prohgoymenws gia kapoio xronodiagramma kai an qa epimenete se ayth thn politikh mexri teloys. Jerete, einai poly liges hmeres, prin na anoijei h legomenh ``xristoygenniatikh agora''. Poly liges hmeres, oyte mhnas.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh ola ayta ta katanoei, ta lambanei ypoch ths. Einai se egrhgorsh. Epanalambanw oti to zhthma einai poly synqeto. Yparxei mia symbash, yparxei o OLP, o opoios apo ayrio pleon einai me neo dieyqynonta symboylo kai yparxoyn kai oi ergazomenoi. Antilambanomaste oloi oti otan qelei kapoios na askhsei sobarh politikh, mesa apo to dialogo qa prepei na akoloyqhqoyn sygkekrimenes diadikasies. Kai ayth einai kai h egnoia kai to melhma ths kybernhshs.

MIXAHL: Xqes, se dyo kyriakatikes efhmerides eidame dhmosieymata gia syggeneis ypoyrgoy kai gia stelexh toy prwqypoyrgikoy grafeioy. Apanthsan kai oi dyo sta dhmosieymata ayta. Epishmws, h kybernhsh apodexetai aytes tis apanthseis;

PETALWTHS: Yparxoyn apanthseis, oi opoies nomizw oti kalyptoyn tis apories twn dhmosieymatwn.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ep` aytoy k. Ekproswpe. Epeidh, wstoso, eidika gia thn k. Sioyth poy einai kai synergatis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, den yphrje kybernhtikh anakoinwsh, dyo 24wra meta thn apokalych toy dhmosieymatos, h kybernhsh den niwqei thn anagkh na bgalei h idia mia anakoinwsh gi` ayto to qema;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti h k. Sioyth ejhgei, me th dikh ths anakoinwsh, th sxesh poy exei me to prwqypoyrgiko grafeio kai einai kai arketa leptomerhs.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Sas rwtw, gia th dikh sas anagkh, oxi gia to o,ti kanei h k. Sioyth.

PETALWTHS: Ean yphrxe logos na ekdoqei anakoinwsh, qa eixe ekdoqei hdh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: H k. Sioyth, k. Ekproswpe, milaei sthn anakoinwsh ths gia ahqh epiqesh. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean ayto to xarakthrismo ton yioqetei h kybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Oxi, bebaia. Einai anakoinwsh ths idias ths k. Sioyth.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Na sas rwthsw, epishs, to ejhs: Hjere o k. Papandreoy, otan ginotan aytos o diorismos, oti h k. Sioyth exei ayta ta stoixeia, oti htan dhladh se nomoparaskeyastikes Epitropes ths Neas Dhmokratias, oti htan synergaths se dikhgoriko grafeio, to opoio synergasthke me ton k. Xristoforako; Ta hjere o Prwqypoyrgos;

PETALWTHS: H k. Sioyth, nomizw oti ejhgei eparkws sthn anakoinwsh ths oles aytes tis aitiaseis. As meinoyme ekei.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Einai safes to erwthma moy. To hjere, nai h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Sas apantw me ayto ton tropo.

MAKRYGIANNHS: To biografiko ths k. Sioyth, poios to eide;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti apanthsa pws h anakoinwsh, etsi opws einai, ths k. Sioyth kalyptei tis aitiaseis toy dhmosieymatos.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Nwritera eipate oti den yioqeteite to ``ahqh''...

PETALWTHS: Toys sygkekrimenoys xarakthrismoys. Einai xarakthrismoi dikoi ths. Ws pros thn oysia kai tis qeseis ths, einai aytes oi opoies antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Sas rwtaw to ejhs gia ta biografika, epeidh epimenete sthn anoixth diaboyleysh, sthn ajiokratikh proslhch k.t.l. kai nwritera eipate gia to sxedio nomoy gia tis proslhceis. Thn proslhch ths k. Sioyth sto Megaro Majimoy, poios thn epeblece, poios eide to biografiko ths kai poios eipe ston Prwqypoyrgo na thn parei nomikh symboylo.

PETALWTHS: Oi proslhceis, poy eipa prohgoymenws, einai teleiws diaforetikes apo kapoia stelexh poy stelexwnoyn, kata diasthmata, to prwqypoyrgiko h kapoia ypoyrgika grafeia.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Synexizei h k. Sioyth na xairei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai na paramenei sth qesh ths;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Gia poso akoma k. Ekproswpe; Exete xronodiagramma gi` ayto;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa prohgoymenws.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Ti etoimazetai na diapragmateyqei stis Bryjelles o k. Papakwnstantinoy kata th diarkeia ths (den akoygetai) se sxesh me to Asfalistiko; Giati prin fygei apo edw eipe oti paei na kanei (den akoygetai) metarryqmiseis gia to Asfalistiko.

PETALWTHS: H politikh mas sto Asfalistiko einai ayth poy sas eipa prohgoymenws. Qa ejeidikeyqei otan yparxei anagkh na ejeidikeyqei kai se sygkekrimeno xrono. Symmetexei sto ECOFIN kai thn Eurogroup me mia atzenta, poy einai prokaqorismenh.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Jerete kapoia stoixeia; Mporeite na mas gnwstopoihsete kapoia apo ayta;

PETALWTHS: Qa yparxoyn anakoinwseis meta apo aytes tis Synodoys.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Mia erwthsh: Epeidh qa kanete Ejetastikh Epitroph gia th Siemens, qa klhqei sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph ayth kai h k. Sioyth na dwsei ta ``fwta'' ths;

PETALWTHS: Protrexete. Otan qa yparjei apofash gia Ejetastikh Epitroph, nomizw oti qa mporeite na kanete ayth thn erwthsh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Den qa yparjei apofash gia Ejetastikh; Jerw oti einai qesh ths kybernhshs ayto, ektos kai an den einai.

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs. Stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs einai o,ti exei dhlwqei mexri stigmhs. Apo ekei kai pera, otan qa anakoinwqoyn oi systaseis Ejetastikwn Epitropwn, qa mporoyme na doyme oles tis leptomereies.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh h k. Sioyth qa gnwrizei pragmata gia thn ypoqesh Siemens, qa paei sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph; San qesh arxhs sthn kybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Gia na sas apanthsw kai sthn oysia, oi Ejetastikes Epitropes exoyn mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia, pws systhnontai sth Boylh, poioi tis proteinoyn kai pws dromologeitai h ergasia kaqe Ejetastikhs Epitrophs.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ara, mporei na paei. Den thn empodizei tipota.

PETALWTHS: Qa krinei h idia h Ejetastikh Epitroph.

Sas eyxaristw.

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