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Trith, 14 Ioylioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 213077611

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 14 Ioylioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Geia sas.

Ayrio, Tetarth 15 Ioylioy, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa brisketai sth Rwmh, opoy qa synanthqei me ton Italo omologo toy k. Silbio Mperloyskoni. O k. Mperloyskoni, amesws meta tis synomilies kai tis dhlwseis oi opoies qa ginoyn, qa paraqesei geyma ergasias ston Prwqypoyrgos. Katopin, o Prwqypoyrgos qa epistrecei sthn Aqhna.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ton teleytaio kairo h Ellhnikh Astynomia, se synergasia me thn EYP, eixe poly megales epityxies...

ANTWNAROS: Xairomai poy to diapistwnete.

FANIDHS: Bebaiws, ta kala ta leme, kyrie Ekproswpe. Den leme mono ta kaka. Omws, edw yparxei ena zhthma: Jafnika antikatastaqhke o epikefalhs ths EYP. Qa elege, loipon, kaneis oti meta apo toses epityxies den exei kapoia logikh ejhghsh h antikatastash toy, ektos ean ontws, opws grafoyn shmera oi efhmerides, antikatastaqhke logw ths emplokhs twn onomatwn stelexwn ths kybernhshs stis gnwstes ypoqeseis poy exoyn dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas ton teleytaio kairo.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, oi anafores stis efhmerides poy epikaleiste, einai pantelws anakribeis. Deyteron, sxetika me th lhjh ths qhteias toy mexri twra Dioikhth ths EYP kai ton orismo toy k. Papaggelopoyloy ws neo Dioikhth ths EYP, exei kanei leptomereis dhlwseis o armodios Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Prokophs Paylopoylos, stis opoies kai sas parapempw. Einai apolytws safeis kai diafwtistikes. Den afhnoyn kanena erwthma anapanthto.

KAKALHS: Profanws, se emas afhnoyn kapoia anapanthta erwthmata kai hqela na qesw ena: Mporeite na mas peite me poia krithria epelegh o k. Papaggelopoylos; Mhpws oti oles oi megales ypoqeseis oi opoies toy eixan anateqei, mexri twra, exoyn ``koykoylwqei'' kai den exoyn (den akoygetai) kamia;

ANTWNAROS: O Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Prokophs Paylopoylos, anaferqhke, metajy twn allwn, kai sthn proswpikothta kai stis ikanothtes kai sthn proyphresia kai sto adiamfisbhthto kyros to opoio diaqetei o k. Papaggelopoylos.

KAKALHS: Poy antleitai ayto to kyros, an moy epitrepete;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na enhmerwqeite armodiws. Eimai bebaios oti den qa exete oyte kai eseis, meta apo ayto, kamia amfibolia.

KAKALHS: Epeidh eseis exete peisqei kai exete enhmerwqei, mporeite na mas to peite kai emas;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kamia allh anafora gi` ayto to qema. Einai jekaqara osa eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: O k. Koranths, omws, se dhlwseis toy sthn efhmerida ``TA NEA'' xarakthrizei dysejhghth th stash kai genikotera thn apomakrynsh toy kai o idios deixnei oti den katanoei toys logoys ths apomakrynshs toy, thn opoia qewrei jafnikh.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema ayto, to eipa.

KAKALHS: Alla, o k. Koranths epimenei oti h ``koptoraptikh'' egine apo thn EL.AS., twn apomagnhtofwnhmenwn synomiliwn. Eseis ti lete;

ANTWNAROS: Oi sxetikes anafores, opws sas eipa, einai pantelws anakribeis.

POLYMEROS: Tis teleytaies hmeres, stratiwtika toyrkika aeroskafh kanoyn synexeis parabiaseis kai malista xqes jeperasan kaqe prohgoymeno ariqmo parabiasewn. Pera apo ena diabhma ths xwras mas sthn Agkyra, to opoio prowqhse kai h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Ntora Mpakogiannh, ti allo skopeyei na kanei h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ta peristatika ayta, symfwna me thn enhmerwsh poy exw apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas - -kai opws einai fysiko allwste- - antimetwpizontai epixeirhsiaka. Kai, opws swsta eipate, exoyn ginei hdh apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ta sxetika diabhmata.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na epanelqw ligo sto qema ths antikatastashs toy Dioikhth ths EYP. Den apanthsate sthn erwthsh toy k. Kakalh, me poia krithria epelegh o k. Papaggelopoylos. Gia to logo ayto, qelw na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh problhmatizetai h anagnwrizei oti - -otan topoqetei sth qesh toy Dioikhth ths EYP enan anqrwpo o opoios exei analabei tis ypoklopes, oi opoies phgan sto arxeio, exei analabei thn ypoqesh ths MAYO, h opoia arxeioqethqhke elleicei stoixeiwn, den exoyme maqei tipota gia tis apagwges twn Pakistanwn to 2006- - kapoioi qa syndesoyn thn epilogh toy me to gegonos oti aytes oi ypoqeseis phgan sto arxeio, oi opoies den htan eyxaristes ypoqeseis gia thn kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, exete thn tash - -eseis kai kapoioi alloi- - na amfisbhteite th leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs. Egw den to kanw pote kai oyte prokeitai na to kanw, se ayth thn periptwsh. Profanws, otan mia ypoqesh phgainei sto arxeio, ayto shmainei oti den yparxoyn stoixeia poy na dikaiologoyn peraiterw diereynhsh ths. Dhladh, einai aney antikeimenoy h peraiterw diereynhsh ths ypoqeshs.

Qa sas diabasw, loipon, efoson profanws den gnwrizete thn anakoinwsh toy k. Paylopoyloy, to deytero kommati, edafio ths anakoinwshs, poy anaferetai ston k. Papaggelopoylo kai leei ta ejhs: ``H epilogh toy tews Antieisaggelea Efetwn Aqhnwn k. Papaggelopoyloy, ws neoy Dioikhth ths EYP, entassetai sto plaisio ths pisths efarmoghs toy grammatos kai toy pneymatos toy neoy qesmikoy plaisioy, to opoio egkaqidryqhke me bash tis diatajeis toy N. 3649/2008. Opws prokyptei apo tis diatajeis aytes, mprosta stis proklhseis ths sygxronhs epoxhs, h ejyphrethsh toy dhmosioy symferontos, to opoio exei anateqei sthn EYP me dynatothta, malista, gia prwth fora - -kai to ypogrammizw ayto- - askhsh koinoboyleytikoy elegxoy ep` ayths, symfwna me to arqro 43 A toy Kanonismoy ths Boylhs, mporei na epiteyxqei apotelesmatikotera, idiws apo leitoyrgoys oi opoioi diaqetoyn exeggya dikastikhs anejarthsias. Ayto, allwste, shmatodotei, metajy twn allwn, kai h qesmoqethsh me to arqro 5 par. 3 toy en logw nomoy, ths apospashs sthn EYP eisaggelikoy leitoyrgoy, prokeimenoy na elegxei kyriws th nomimothta twn eidikwn epixeirhsiakwn ths drasewn poy aforoyn ta Dikaiwmata toy Anqrwpoy. H proyphresia kai to adiamfisbhthto kyros toy k. Papaggelopoyloy plhroyn, sto megalytero dynato baqmo, tis ws anw proypoqeseis''.

Peran aytoy, den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, thn exw ypoch moy thn anakoinwsh. Wstoso, den apanta sthn ejhs erwthsh: Eipate prin oti otan mia ypoqesh phgainei sto arxeio, ayto shmainei oti den yparxoyn peraiterw stoixeia gia th diereynhsh ths.

ANTWNAROS: H Dikaiosynh, h opoia th diereyna, krinei oti den yparxoyn stoixeia.

MELIGKWNHS: Wraia. Opote, den yparxoyn peraiterw stoixeia gia to poios parakoloyqoyse ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo ths xwras, den yparxoyn peraiterw stoixeia gia to poioi eixan metatrecei, eixan ftiajei mikra gkoyantanamo mesa sthn Ellada kai se ayth thn periptwsh, den einai mia apotyxia aytoy, poy exei analabei th diadikasia to oti den briskei peraiterw stoixeia; Toy k. Papaggelopoyloy, en prokeimenw.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den qa ypeiselqw, se kamia periptwsh, sthn analysh ypoqesewn poy exoyn apasxolhsei, eite ejakoloyqoyn na apasxoloyn th Dikaiosynh. Deyteron, den qa xrhsimopoihsw kanenan apo toys oroys, toys opoioys eseis, profanws gia logoys entypwsiasmoy, epilejate na xrhsimopoihsate. Kai triton, den qa kanw kriseis toso gia thn proyphresia kai to hqos, oso kai gia thn adiamfisbhthth epaggelmatikh eparkeia toy neoy Dioikhtoy ths EYP.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto idio qema: O k. Paylopoylos, apo o,ti akoysame sthn anakoinwsh, ekane logo giati topoqethqhke o k. Papaggelopoylos, oxi giati apomakrynqhke o k. Koranths. Egw, loipon, qelw na rwthsw, htan epityxhmenh gia thn kybernhsh h qhteia toy k. Koranth;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den qymaste kai to prwto edafio ths anakoinwshs, to opoio anaferetai ston k. Koranth kai to opoio, bebaiws, isxyei. Parakalw, loipon, na to diabasete.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me dedomeno oti o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Paylopoylos, se synenteyjh toy sthn ``Kaqhmerinh'', ypainixqhke sxeseis toy organwmenoy egklhmatos me thn tromokratia kai proanhggeile parallhla, emmesws, syllhceis tromokratwn. Syndeete, loipon, ayto me thn apomakrynsh toy k. Koranth kai thn topoqethsh toy k. Papaggelopoyloy;

ANTWNAROS: Kanete syllogistika almata, ta opoia den exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den sxetizetai, dhladh, h topoqethsh toy k. Papaggelopoyloy me tis endexomenes syllhceis tromokratwn;

ANTWNAROS: Sthn topoqethsh toy k. Papaggelopoyloy anaferetai me apolyth safhneia h anakoinwsh toy k. Paylopoyloy. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

KAKALHS: Pws sxoliazete tis eikones ntrophs me thn katedafish toy kataylismoy twn Afganwn prosfygwn sthn Patra; H kybernhsh kanei metanasteytikh politikh me tis mpoylntozes, th fwtia kai tis epixeirhseis ``skoypa'';

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh einai ekeinh, h opoia anelabe sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies, gia tis xiliades laqraiwn metanastwn, oi opoioi eiserxontai sth xwra mas. Sas ypenqymizw oti kati poy den eixe ginei epi prohgoymenwn kybernhsewn, dhladh h kataskeyh kentrwn ypodoxhs twn mh nomimwn metanastwn, proxwrhse kai ejakoloyqei na proxwrei me taxytatoys ryqmoys. Sas ypenqymizw th Samo kai ton Kyprino. Sas ypenqymizw, epishs, tis egkatastaseis konta sthn Patra, opoy qa egkatastaqoyn osoi exoyn katafygei ekei kai bebaiws den mporoyn paranoma kai anejelegkta na zoyn se perioxes, oi opoies den einai dikes toys kai na dhmioyrgoyn anhsyxia, sygxish kai anastatwsh ston topiko plhqysmo.

Den mporoyn, loipon, kapoioi oi opoioi filojenoyntai sth xwra kai exoyn eiselqei sth xwra mas me mh nomimo tropo, na epixeiroyn na epiballoyn, toys dikoys toys oroys diabiwshs.

KAKALHS: Pws to ekanan ayto; Aytoi katatregmenoi einai kai prospaqoysan na fygoyn. Toys empodisate na perasoyn sthn Eyrwph.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Yparxoyn sygkekrimenoi kanones basei twn opoiwn leitoyrgei h metabash mh nomimwn metanastwn apo th mia xwra ths Eyrwphs sthn allh. H Eyrwph den einai jefrago ampeli.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, mia epipleon erwthsh. Epibebaiwnete tis plhrofories oti yparxei sxedio ths kybernhshs gia epanaprowqhsh mh nomimwn metanastwn, opws toys apokaleite, sthn Toyrkia mesw Boylgarias;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw kanena tetoio sxedio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Xqes, apo th Madrith, o Prwqypoyrgos proanhggeile kai nea oikonomika metra, legontas oti an xreiastei na ta janaparei, deixnontas adiaforia gia to politiko kostos. Na perimenoyme ayta ta nea metra peri ton Oktwbrio, poy einai kai mhnas gia thn katartish toy Proypologismoy;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas diabasw ti akribws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. Se sxetikh erwthsh, o Prwqypoyrgos eipe: ``H Ellada exei biwsei, mexri stigmhs, thn oikonomikh krish poly hpiotera apo oles sxedon tis alles xwres ths Eyrwphs. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta poy apotypwnetai stoys deiktes kai ths anaptyjhs kai ths anergias''.

Kai ypogrammizw egw, symplhrwmatika, oti ayto eipwqhke se mia xwra, opws thn Ispania, opoy h anergia exei fqasei hdh 18% me dysmenesteres dystyxws - -kai to lew, dystyxws, giati kaneis den xairetai na yparxei ayjhsh ths anergias se opoiadhpote eyrwpaikh xwra- - prooptikes gia ton epomeno xrono.

``Kanoyme, loipon'', eipe o Prwqypoyrgos ``o,ti mporoyme kai qa synexisoyme na kanoyme o,ti mporoyme, ayto na mhn allajei. Apo thn allh pleyra, omws, exoyme pei apo thn prwth wra oti emeis exoyme ena jexwristo problhma. To problhma twn dhmosionomikwn anisorropiwn, ofeilomeno kyriws se ena poly megalo, se ena yperogko, xtismeno epi dekaeties, dhmosio xreos. Ayto, loipon, to antimetwpizoyme kai prepei na to antimetwpisoyme. Den distasame na laboyme metra, opote xreiasthke. Ean xreiastei, qa to janakanoyme. Alla, qelw na jekaqarisw oti o stoxos kai h pragmatikh politikh kateyqynsh den einai eispraktika metra. Einai oi diarqrwtikes allages. Ekei rixnoyme to baros kai ekei qa synexisoyme na rixnoyme to baros. Se mia katastash poy ejelissetai dynamika'', eipe o Prwqypoyrgos ``o stoxos poios einai; Na perasoyme oso hpiotera ginetai th shmerinh krish, na epwfelhqoyme apo th staqeropoihsh poy qa erqei kai na eimaste etoimoi na trejoyme thn wra poy qa arxisei pali h anakamch. Na eiste bebaioi oti ayto prospaqoyme kai ayto qa kanoyme''.

Loipon, oyte proanhggeile, opws blepete, apo to edafio ayto kapoia metra o Prwqypoyrgos, opws espeysan kapoioi na ermhneysoyn, oyte eipe oti qa lhfqoyn oikonomika metra. O Prwqypoyrgos, asfalws, anaferqhke se prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs, oi opoies hdh einai kala gnwstes.

Molis prin apo liges hmeres, o Prwqypoyrgos breqhke sto armodio Ypoyrgeio kai syzhthse, fer` eipein, to qema twn barewn kai anqygieinwn epaggelmatwn. Exoyn syzhthqei kai exei anaggelqei to anoigma diaforwn epaggelmatwn. Aytes einai metarryqmiseis, ayta einai diarqrwtika metra, ta opoia oyte aifnidiazoyn kanenan, oyte exoyn stoxo na aifnidiasoyn kanenan. Antiqetws, qa bohqhsoyn wste h ellhnikh oikonomia na ginei akomh pio eyrwsth. Kai pros ayth akribws thn kateyqynsh kinoyntai oles mas oi prwtoboylies.

PALAIOLOGOS: An moy epitrepete, mia dieykrinish. Dhladh, eseis mporeite na diabebaiwsete kathgorhmatika ton ellhniko lao, toys Ellhnes polites, oti den prokeitai na lhfqoyn eispraktika metra, opws ayta poy elhfqhsan prin apo ligo kairo;

ANTWNAROS: Mporw na sas diabebaiwsw oti isxyoyn sto akeraio osa eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, molis xqes.

PANTAZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mia hmera meta thn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias, o k. Papandreoy me arqro toy ston ``Kosmo toy Ependyth'' prosdiorise toys ajones gia thn ejodo apo thn oikonomikh krish. Exete kapoio sxolio.

ANTWNAROS: Den apantw stis gnwstes genikothtes tis opoies diatypwnei, sxedon kaqe hmera - -to ekane kai shmera to prwi, an den kanw laqos- - o arxhgos toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Sxedio xreiazetai, oxi eyxologia. Kai ayto, profanws, den to diaqetei o k. Papandreoy. Dioti to monadiko sxedio to opoio mporei na bgalei th xwra apo tis dyskolies poy antimetwpizei (kai me ta problhmata poy molis sas proanefera, ta klhronomhmena, ta dhmosionomika, alla kai ta epiprosqeta poy einai synepeies ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs) einai to sxedio poy efarmozei, anaprosarmozei opote xreiazetai, beltiwnei opote xreiazetai, h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias kai toy Kwsta Karamanlh.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, symfwnei h kybernhsh me thn ektimhsh toy prwhn Ypoyrgoy k. Mixalh Liaph oti o politikos xronos einai enantion ths;

ANTWNAROS: Exete kairo na erqete sto briefing. Profanws, den qymaste, gi` ayto to logo oti den sxoliazw dhlwseis boyleytwn.

Sas eyxaristw.

" H epomenh enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn kai twn antapokritwn jenoy Typoy qa pragmatopoihqei thn Pempth, 16 Ioylioy.

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